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Post by runner76 on Oct 24, 2023 22:57:31 GMT 1
Not one of them words were said in the tweet. I know. I read it. That’s just how it comes across. If he truly believed in the people he has employed to run the club he’d avoid this faux, self-critical nonsense and let them own their performances. The ‘blame me, not them’ jive is weak AF. It’s not everyday we have jive talking on DATM. Digging that post |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 24, 2023 22:58:06 GMT 1
I am calm... You're not a fan of it... but over the years Hoyle was slated for lack of communication. Now we have someone who is communicating, over social media due to location, and now that's wrong. I don't get it. And what he has said is a true. Do you disagree with any of what he has said? I think owners should keep their gobs shut about performances and things on the pitch. It's not their place. Hoyle did it once under Clark and he quickly learned his lesson. He never did it again. I can't understand why you won't have a bad word said about him and you're so overly protective of him. It's just weird. I'm not overly protective of him. Hoyle got slated for lack of communicating. We have a chairman communicating and he is getting pelters. Our fan base is weird. You have numerous concerns, email him. He has said vent to him, get in touch. Regarding the ad word not said about him, I could say the same about you with Warnock. All opinions. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 24, 2023 22:59:31 GMT 1
I am calm... You're not a fan of it... but over the years Hoyle was slated for lack of communication. Now we have someone who is communicating, over social media due to location, and now that's wrong. I don't get it. And what he has said is a true. Do you disagree with any of what he has said? Hoyle was never slated for a lack of communication. In fact, he was probably too candid. All that self aggrandising shit he came out with, such as "we had their pants down" whenever we sold a decent player for a few quid, was absolutely awful to listen to. He did come out with some random saying/lines. The LOB the latest of the lot. But club communications (which start at the top) were slated by a majority on here. You maybe not one of these. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 24, 2023 22:59:35 GMT 1
what has he tweeted tonight, has anyone posted it ? as i don't have x or twitter or whatever. I hope he has called it out like he did Norwich. Come on nagle you had the balls to call out the best champ manager ever , why not call out this dickhead you have appointed, who has about as much a clue about managing as a paperbag. he has been here such a short time, yet i am yet to see any impact at all from him. Hundreds of comments so far and to be fair to Town fans, Id say its been fairly reasonable and rational (considering we are an hour after a heavy defeat). |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 24, 2023 23:01:12 GMT 1
Might have been this thread I mentioned it, but Town fans are going to have to get used to chairmanship by proxy. You can boo all you like after games like tonight, but the Chairman ain’t there to hear you.
The Twitter thing, maybe it works in US soccer and that’s what US supporters are used to, but it won’t work for English football.
If you own a brand/product it might not matter if a few people decide they don’t like it. The consumers might criticise for 5 mins but will then find a new brand and will move on. Football clubs, you have to take the thick with the thin, those consumers don’t walk away because they’re pissed off, they just get more pissed off, and inciting those folk is only going to end one way…
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 24, 2023 23:04:21 GMT 1
I think owners should keep their gobs shut about performances and things on the pitch. It's not their place. Hoyle did it once under Clark and he quickly learned his lesson. He never did it again. I can't understand why you won't have a bad word said about him and you're so overly protective of him. It's just weird. I'm not overly protective of him. Hoyle got slated for lack of communicating. We have a chairman communicating and he is getting pelters. Our fan base is weird. You have numerous concerns, email him. He has said vent to him, get in touch. Regarding the ad word not said about him, I could say the same about you with Warnock. All opinions. At least Warnock backed it up, unlike your mate. |
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Post by space hardware on Oct 24, 2023 23:06:57 GMT 1
Hoyle was never slated for a lack of communication. In fact, he was probably too candid. All that self aggrandising shit he came out with, such as "we had their pants down" whenever we sold a decent player for a few quid, was absolutely awful to listen to. He did come out with some random saying/lines. The LOB the latest of the lot. But club communications (which start at the top) were slated by a majority on here. You maybe not one of these. I'd say that most fans welcomed his availability and readiness for a quote, at least in the early days. After his illness, that communication dropped off a cliff, quite understandably. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 24, 2023 23:06:59 GMT 1
I'm not overly protective of him. Hoyle got slated for lack of communicating. We have a chairman communicating and he is getting pelters. Our fan base is weird. You have numerous concerns, email him. He has said vent to him, get in touch. Regarding the ad word not said about him, I could say the same about you with Warnock. All opinions. At least Warnock backed it up, unlike your mate. Not my mate. You winge when people 'pick on you', but comments like that are the reason why. Sarcasm is your downfall on here. Your 'mate' Neil was the reason players didn't want to come here. FACT |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 24, 2023 23:09:44 GMT 1
what has he tweeted tonight, has anyone posted it ? as i don't have x or twitter or whatever. I hope he has called it out like he did Norwich. Come on nagle you had the balls to call out the best champ manager ever , why not call out this dickhead you have appointed, who has about as much a clue about managing as a paperbag. he has been here such a short time, yet i am yet to see any impact at all from him. Hundreds of comments so far and to be fair to Town fans, Id say its been fairly reasonable and rational (considering we are an hour after a heavy defeat). But he can't promise or gaurntee we will do better? he isn't playing or suppsodley coaching . He can effect it in the transfer windows and by his appointments as manager and thus far he has failed to effect what he can on those fronts. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 24, 2023 23:11:23 GMT 1
At least Warnock backed it up, unlike your mate. Not my mate. You winge when people 'pick on you', but comments like that are the reason why. Sarcasm is your downfall on here. Your 'mate' Neil was the reason players didn't want to come here. FACT Neil Warnock is the reason we still support a Championship club. You'd do well to remember that. Couldn't give a fuck if you don't like my sarcasm. I back Warnock because he came in and did the job. Whereas Nagle has come in and has been a massive disappointment so far. He's done fuck all of any note other than like your tweets (which is presumably the only reason you're so far up his arse) and spout shite about Marstons chicken. It's all noise and bullshit, that transfer window was an absolute disgrace and thus far he's got egg on his face for getting rid of one of the most proven managers at this level for this clown. Respect and adulation is earned, Warnock earned his, and Nagle hasn't. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Oct 24, 2023 23:15:00 GMT 1
Another absolutely terrible owner to add to the list. Why can’t we just be bought by somebody with some footballing sense and a few quid behind them to help support that. Terrible owner? Absolutely not. A few quid? Wish a 'few quid' was my worth. Wrong appointment? Looking likely. Mistakes get made by all owners. A mistake that didn't have to be made. A quick scan of this message board would've shown anyone that the last manager to managed to make a miracle with the players we've got. A naive decision motivated by ego instead of intelligence |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 24, 2023 23:19:04 GMT 1
Not my mate. You winge when people 'pick on you', but comments like that are the reason why. Sarcasm is your downfall on here. Your 'mate' Neil was the reason players didn't want to come here. FACT Neil Warnock is the reason we still support a Championship club. You'd do well to remember that. Couldn't give a fuck if you don't like my sarcasm. I back Warnock because he came in and did the job. Whereas Nagle has come in and has been a massive disappointment so far. He's done fuck all of any note other than like your tweets (which is presumably the only reason you're so far up his arse) and spout shite about Marstons chicken. It's all noise and bullshit, that transfer window was an absolute disgrace and thus far he's got egg on his face for getting rid of one of the most proven managers at this level for this clown. Respect and adulation is earned, Warnock earned his, and Nagle hasn't. Not going to respond to any of what has been said as your aggressive and sarcastic nature will be referenced as bullying or picking on you in other threads. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 24, 2023 23:22:18 GMT 1
At least Warnock backed it up, unlike your mate. Not my mate. You winge when people 'pick on you', but comments like that are the reason why. Sarcasm is your downfall on here. Your 'mate' Neil was the reason players didn't want to come here. FACT That's Cartwright's story anyway and he's sticking to it? |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 24, 2023 23:22:18 GMT 1
Neil Warnock is the reason we still support a Championship club. You'd do well to remember that. Couldn't give a fuck if you don't like my sarcasm. I back Warnock because he came in and did the job. Whereas Nagle has come in and has been a massive disappointment so far. He's done fuck all of any note other than like your tweets (which is presumably the only reason you're so far up his arse) and spout shite about Marstons chicken. It's all noise and bullshit, that transfer window was an absolute disgrace and thus far he's got egg on his face for getting rid of one of the most proven managers at this level for this clown. Respect and adulation is earned, Warnock earned his, and Nagle hasn't. Not going to respond to any of what has been said as your aggressive and sarcastic nature will be referenced as bullying or picking on you in other threads. Never even seen aggressive, you just haven't got an answer. You're the one that keeps bringing Warnock up, no-one else, and that's all you've got. Enjoy being Nagle's bouncer on here for the foreseeable future. It's like you've got notifications set up for every time he gets mentioned. |
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Post by softboy on Oct 24, 2023 23:51:15 GMT 1
Nagle has said twice now (previously Norwich) not acceptable, vent your anger on me! I don’t want to vent my anger on anyone I just want it sorted
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Post by willo on Oct 25, 2023 1:00:29 GMT 1
Terrible owner? Absolutely not. A few quid? Wish a 'few quid' was my worth. Wrong appointment? Looking likely. Mistakes get made by all owners. A mistake that didn't have to be made. A quick scan of this message board would've shown anyone that the last manager to manage to make a miracle with the players we've got. A naive decision motivated by ego instead of intelligence We keep coming back to this - and it will continue to be revisited many times over and for much, much longer if we are to be ultimately relegated this season - but many of us believe a change was made when a change didn’t need making. It smacks entirely of if something isn’t broken, it doesn’t need fixing. It remains a baffling decision to me. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 25, 2023 6:32:45 GMT 1
All I said was that I’m not a fan of it. Calm down. I am calm... You're not a fan of it... but over the years Hoyle was slated for lack of communication. Now we have someone who is communicating, over social media due to location, and now that's wrong. I don't get it. And what he has said is a true. Do you disagree with any of what he has said? No, I probably think he’s nailed it but what he is doing in reacting like that is inflaming the situation. Fans see it as a chance to vent and I don’t think that’s too healthy as they invariably turn on each other or get emboldened and take their criticism to extreme levels. As I say, I’m not a fan of it or the timing of stuff like this but I realise I am pissing into the wind as this type of ‘engagement’ is here to stay. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 25, 2023 7:35:17 GMT 1
What an absolute mess again. We’ve created a shitshow we didn’t need to create and, even if they do get rid of Moore, the people who decided he was the man and who oversaw the summer transfer shambles will be picking his successor.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 7:44:47 GMT 1
Always said if you’ve an ego big enough to buy a football club have the pockets deep enough to fund it. Hoyle seemed to not understand that’s 90% of football clubs will lose money and sounds like Nagle isn’t grasping that either. It’s not something you enter to make a few quid out of. Do you really think Hoyle thought he was going to break even at worst owning Town? I’ve heard some shit on here, but I doubt that a bloke who was a football supporter for many a yr before he hit the business jackpot, didn’t understand he was taking on a loss making enterprise. His goal wasn’t to make money, it was to build a decent platform and hope someone else would eventually share or take on the risk. I expect he knew he would lose money, but I expect he had a limit set in his mind. That's what he said when he first took over anyway |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 25, 2023 7:46:54 GMT 1
I am calm... You're not a fan of it... but over the years Hoyle was slated for lack of communication. Now we have someone who is communicating, over social media due to location, and now that's wrong. I don't get it. And what he has said is a true. Do you disagree with any of what he has said? Hoyle was never slated for a lack of communication. In fact, he was probably too candid. All that self aggrandising shit he came out with, such as "we had their pants down" whenever we sold a decent player for a few quid, was absolutely awful to listen to. The communication stopped after his illness (understandably) but continued when he, seemingly grudgingly, took over again |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 25, 2023 7:50:02 GMT 1
Hoyle was never slated for a lack of communication. In fact, he was probably too candid. All that self aggrandising shit he came out with, such as "we had their pants down" whenever we sold a decent player for a few quid, was absolutely awful to listen to. The communication stopped after his illness (understandably) but continued when he, seemingly grudgingly, took over again I can remember Hoyle slating Town's performance just once, which was an away match at Oldham. We lost the following game at home to Exeter and Hoyle held his hands up and apologised to the players in the dressing room. It's what led to Steve Black's departure, after he called Hoyle a twat in front of the players. However, he learned his lesson and never did it again. Somehow, I don't think Nagle will learn his lesson. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 25, 2023 8:17:56 GMT 1
The communication stopped after his illness (understandably) but continued when he, seemingly grudgingly, took over again I can remember Hoyle slating Town's performance just once, which was an away match at Oldham. We lost the following game at home to Exeter and Hoyle held his hands up and apologised to the players in the dressing room. It's what led to Steve Black's departure, after he called Hoyle a twat in front of the players. However, he learned his lesson and never did it again. Somehow, I don't think Nagle will learn his lesson. Probably not but I do take something from him acknowledging that performance was totally unacceptable. Means it's on his radar at least. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 25, 2023 8:21:28 GMT 1
I can remember Hoyle slating Town's performance just once, which was an away match at Oldham. We lost the following game at home to Exeter and Hoyle held his hands up and apologised to the players in the dressing room. It's what led to Steve Black's departure, after he called Hoyle a twat in front of the players. However, he learned his lesson and never did it again. Somehow, I don't think Nagle will learn his lesson. Probably not but I do take something from him acknowledging that performance was totally unacceptable. Means it's on his radar at least. I don't think owners should be commenting publicly on such stuff as I think it undermines the manager and the players. It doesn't need saying. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2023 8:31:27 GMT 1
I wonder if there’s still some learning going on here?
Does KN understand that owning a football club is a bit different to owning a franchise?
It might be me, but I get the impression that owners of franchises over there are much more front and centre?
The Wrexham thing, Brum with Tom Brady. Aside of the Glazers, who have kept their heads down for different reasons, there must be/have been some US owners who get that they need to remain back office for much of the time?
Anyway, our bed is made etc…
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 25, 2023 8:38:09 GMT 1
Probably not but I do take something from him acknowledging that performance was totally unacceptable. Means it's on his radar at least. I don't think owners should be commenting publicly on such stuff as I think it undermines the manager and the players. It doesn't need saying. Especially an owner who clearly knows absolutely nothing about the sport. It’s just comical he’s so desperate for fans to love him, instead of talking let’s see actions. So far the actions have been rubbish. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 25, 2023 8:41:06 GMT 1
I don't think owners should be commenting publicly on such stuff as I think it undermines the manager and the players. It doesn't need saying. Especially an owner who clearly knows absolutely nothing about the sport. It’s just comical he’s so desperate for fans to love him, instead of talking let’s see actions. So far the actions have been rubbish. I think you're right. I think he's desperately trying to get fans on side, but because he's not familiar with English football, he's not coming across very well. I don't actually doubt his intentions, but he's making things worse and just highlighting his naivety. I just wish some of his colleagues at Town would tip him a wink and tell him to stop. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 25, 2023 8:48:19 GMT 1
Fair play for Mr Nagle accepting ultimate responsibility, that of course only works if actions are taken to make things better.
On reflection I think Mr Nagle, or perhaps more accurately his team, has made some overly optimistic conclusions about the state of Town and the impact, on the fans, of recent history.
Until the decision to bring NW in the club were heading for certain relegation. The squad was bloated but also lacking quality in key areas. NW, somewhat miraculously, found a way of pragmatically winning games. Moreover, he brought the players together and got the fans onside. This was miraculous in as much as the team had looked doomed.
The summer transfer window was weak. We jettisoned some fat in the squad but didn't really address the areas where we clearly lacked quality. The budget was set at a low level, something that hasn't really been explained, and it was no real surprise we started the season poorly (although I would state the losses against Plymouth and Leicester were far more encouraging than the dross we have seen against Birmingham and Cardiff). NW started to get some control and results started to improve. The spirit and pragmatic nature we saw keep us up last season was in evidence again. We knew we weren't top 6 material but you had hope that we would have enough to stay up.
The decision to let NW go was taken. Whatever the reason or your take most people thought the timing very odd. DM has been appointed. Aside from a spirited 2nd half at Coventry and a very encouraging performance against Ipswich performances have been disjointed, confused and rank awful. The team have regressed back to the days of Fotheringham and, on the eve of a West Yorkshire Derby, all the hope NW had created is dissipated.
You have to question the footballing decisions taken. I would agree the players are capable of better than last night but balance that by saying NW was getting the very most he could from what he had. The best DM can possibly do is replicate what NW was doing, as against Ipswich, but that is the upper limit of our ability right now. I make the point as those in charge don't seem to accept those limitations as a reality. There seems to be an optimistic view we are much better than we are, we aren't. Even if that were true DM has taken us significantly backwards in 6 games, to a point were the despondency of around a year ago is setting in.
I have posted before that I don't think Mr Nagle has "read the room" (of the fans' mood), and I think it's true. He has a niave view of the fanbase, their expectations and mood. I think this was born from the euphoria/relief of what NW achieved at the end of last season. The truth is, and I am not opening the debate as to why as it is pointless, the fanbase have seen the opportunity that was the Premier League wasted, endured some turgid football and a pantomime off the pitch. The one, unexpected, outlier season saw fate rob us of a chance of redemption and the opportunity to build on the platform created spurned. All of this takes a toll. To go from feeling comfortable and trusting with NW in charge to what we saw last night was possibly the straw that buggers the camel's lumbago (although I fear that Saturday might really be the final straw).
Mr Nagle needs to get real and look at things in the round. There is loads to do to get this football club moving forward properly again. All the things with the academy and stadium are needed but the team needs investment. There's equally no point in investing in the team if those in charge of both getting the players and making them play aren't up to those jobs. Right now there are significant questions about those individuals, but they may turn out to be capable.
Personally, and I have stuck with Town through a lot in over 40 years, I have seldom felt so disheartened. That is a word I have used on here a few times in the recent past but although you hope for better I feel like the hope is being knocked out of me. I take no pleasure in saying that and genuinely apologise if people find it overly melodramatic, but it's how I feel.
My message to Mr Nagle would be this: You have a big job on here, bigger than you realise if you're stated ambition of challenging for the Premier League is in anyway realistic. On the face of it the decisions this season have potentially put you back significantly. In the short term I am really not sure what to suggest, other than bring NW back (NB I do not expect that to happen), I can only ask you honestly and critically evaluate the first team and take some considered action to make things better. There is a lot of football before January but please don't plough on hoping for the best if things don't improve. In the worst case a relegation season would certainly have a massive negative impact on the club. Were that to happen I'm afraid it would a long way back for everyone, and incredibly sad. I do think you have the best intentions but you need to accept there is far more to do than positive words,improved pa and self serve pints.
Genuine apologies to everyone for, another, long post but I often naively hope someone reads these things and understands how a reasonable long standing fan feels. I still believe in our club but after nights like last night I wonder how many people feel the same? In the past few years I have posted similar views. I would love to get back to the genuine optimism and excitement of 16/17 and look forward with genuine hope.
As it stands it's going to be a long winter.
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Post by runner76 on Oct 25, 2023 9:03:35 GMT 1
Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
Was blasted when he went missing off Twitter for a few days, everyone loves it when he is vocal and we have a good result, then everyone hates it when he appears like this and states the obvious.
Guy can’t win.
I think he’s a bit trigger happy with social media but it makes for some entertainment if nothing else.
The problem isn’t Kev on Twitter. The problem is a shocking squad and the rot that has been going on over successive seasons.
Neil and Ronnie were a wet dream, and now we’ve woken up, we need to look at the reality and the main problem isn’t Kev, or I’d argue (because I’ll give him some more time) Darren and his management team. It’s the legacy of shite that needs sorting.
Let’s give them the benefit of doubt until at least the January dust settles…….
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Post by royrace on Oct 25, 2023 9:34:22 GMT 1
There's much being made about his comments on social media. None of that matters, what matters is the lack of investment in the playing squad and the non sensical football decisions that have been made by the people he's paying to run the club.
It's been a total shit show since the day they persuaded Warnock to stay. Everything since then has been a total and utter disaster culminating in last night and I fear there's more to come starting Saturday. I'll hardly dare check the score come 5PM on Saturday.
So who is assessing this squad, signing Edwards, not singing a striker whilst letting Rhodes go, not bringing any other players in, getting rid of Warnock despite all that and appointing a bang average manager whilst describing him in a way that in no way whatsoever fits good style. Almost as if he'd done no due diligence on him whatsoever and just picked him off the bang-average-championship-managers-r-us website.
His tweets aren't the problem although how he's got away with not answering any questions on the budget both now and in the future is baffling.
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Post by Sio on Oct 25, 2023 9:39:14 GMT 1
Fair play for Mr Nagle accepting ultimate responsibility, that of course only works if actions are taken to make things better. On reflection I think Mr Nagle, or perhaps more accurately his team, has made some overly optimistic conclusions about the state of Town and the impact, on the fans, of recent history. Until the decision to bring NW in the club were heading for certain relegation. The squad was bloated but also lacking quality in key areas. NW, somewhat miraculously, found a way of pragmatically winning games. Moreover, he brought the players together and got the fans onside. This was miraculous in as much as the team had looked doomed. The summer transfer window was weak. We jettisoned some fat in the squad but didn't really address the areas where we clearly lacked quality. The budget was set at a low level, something that hasn't really been explained, and it was no real surprise we started the season poorly (although I would state the losses against Plymouth and Leicester were far more encouraging than the dross we have seen against Birmingham and Cardiff). NW started to get some control and results started to improve. The spirit and pragmatic nature we saw keep us up last season was in evidence again. We knew we weren't top 6 material but you had hope that we would have enough to stay up. The decision to let NW go was taken. Whatever the reason or your take most people thought the timing very odd. DM has been appointed. Aside from a spirited 2nd half at Coventry and a very encouraging performance against Ipswich performances have been disjointed, confused and rank awful. The team have regressed back to the days of Fotheringham and, on the eve of a West Yorkshire Derby, all the hope NW had created is dissipated. You have to question the footballing decisions taken. I would agree the players are capable of better than last night but balance that by saying NW was getting the very most he could from what he had. The best DM can possibly do is replicate what NW was doing, as against Ipswich, but that is the upper limit of our ability right now. I make the point as those in charge don't seem to accept those limitations as a reality. There seems to be an optimistic view we are much better than we are, we aren't. Even if that were true DM has taken us significantly backwards in 6 games, to a point were the despondency of around a year ago is setting in. I have posted before that I don't think Mr Nagle has "read the room" (of the fans' mood), and I think it's true. He has a niave view of the fanbase, their expectations and mood. I think this was born from the euphoria/relief of what NW achieved at the end of last season. The truth is, and I am not opening the debate as to why as it is pointless, the fanbase have seen the opportunity that was the Premier League wasted, endured some turgid football and a pantomime off the pitch. The one, unexpected, outlier season saw fate rob us of a chance of redemption and the opportunity to build on the platform created spurned. All of this takes a toll. To go from feeling comfortable and trusting with NW in charge to what we saw last night was possibly the straw that buggers the camel's lumbago (although I fear that Saturday might really be the final straw). Mr Nagle needs to get real and look at things in the round. There is loads to do to get this football club moving forward properly again. All the things with the academy and stadium are needed but the team needs investment. There's equally no point in investing in the team if those in charge of both getting the players and making them play aren't up to those jobs. Right now there are significant questions about those individuals, but they may turn out to be capable. Personally, and I have stuck with Town through a lot in over 40 years, I have seldom felt so disheartened. That is a word I have used on here a few times in the recent past but although you hope for better I feel like the hope is being knocked out of me. I take no pleasure in saying that and genuinely apologise if people find it overly melodramatic, but it's how I feel. My message to Mr Nagle would be this: You have a big job on here, bigger than you realise if you're stated ambition of challenging for the Premier League is in anyway realistic. On the face of it the decisions this season have potentially put you back significantly. In the short term I am really not sure what to suggest, other than bring NW back (NB I do not expect that to happen), I can only ask you honestly and critically evaluate the first team and take some considered action to make things better. There is a lot of football before January but please don't plough on hoping for the best if things don't improve. In the worst case a relegation season would certainly have a massive negative impact on the club. Were that to happen I'm afraid it would a long way back for everyone, and incredibly sad. I do think you have the best intentions but you need to accept there is far more to do than positive words,improved pa and self serve pints. Genuine apologies to everyone for, another, long post but I often naively hope someone reads these things and understands how a reasonable long standing fan feels. I still believe in our club but after nights like last night I wonder how many people feel the same? In the past few years I have posted similar views. I would love to get back to the genuine optimism and excitement of 16/17 and look forward with genuine hope. As it stands it's going to be a long winter. UTT Terrific summary and one Kev should take note of. |
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