Kevin Nagle takeover complete

[goodbet]

If you are not concerned yet, I think that if things continue as they are now you would not want to have the current structure in place making decisions on where the club invest any money in January.

I do agree that the club have been running down the squad year on year since we were in the Premiership. This trend was continued by the current owner in the summer.

[Mastercracker]

Oct 25, 2023 9:03:35 GMT 1 runner76 said:

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

Was blasted when he went missing off Twitter for a few days, everyone loves it when he is vocal and we have a good result, then everyone hates it when he appears like this and states the obvious.

Guy can’t win.

I think he’s a bit trigger happy with social media but it makes for some entertainment if nothing else.

The problem isn’t Kev on Twitter. The problem is a shocking squad and the rot that has been going on over successive seasons.

Neil and Ronnie were a wet dream, and now we’ve woken up, we need to look at the reality and the main problem isn’t Kev, or I’d argue (because I’ll give him some more time) Darren and his management team. It’s the legacy of shite that needs sorting.

Let’s give them the benefit of doubt until at least the January dust settles…….

Absolutely this.

Personally, I am also willing to give the new regime January before I throw the towel in. But we absolute have to go out and get a ball playing midfielder and a striker of proper championship standard at the bare minimum.

We're only 4 months into his tenure and we're coming off the back of 5 years of chronic underinvestment. Cardiff are under an EFL embargo yet look at their side compared to last season. We had Beckford and Vaughan up top when we came back into the top 2 divisions, we now have Harratt and Hudlin...it's really beyond ridiculous. I dont think either would feature for most of League 1.

We haven't bought a first choice striker since Mounie walked through the door in 2017. We still haven't replaced Mooy. We have Hogg starting every game at almost 35 when Dean Whitehead (someone who had a better career and was a better player than Hogg) was playing the old head bit part sub role at the same age 7 years ago.

The whole club, stadium, everything has been on make do and mend life support for so long and the fans have just had enough. It needs dragging out of this ASAP and some optimism, hope, money and pride needs putting in, but I feel like I've been saying this for years. We don't have 12 months to wait I'm afraid.

My first impressions of Moore aren't great, but then I look at the squad and there are just gaping holes no matter what formation you want to play.

I like a lot of what Nagle says and don't buy into this ego nonsense that gets thrown around every 2 minutes. He seems a genuine guy and the ego of the last two owners seemed much greater to me. But its time for action and to reverse the underinvestment and that starts in January. Otherwise it's all just nonsense, noise and pretty much doomed before its barely even got going.

[iangreaves]

Oct 25, 2023 9:59:21 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Oct 25, 2023 9:03:35 GMT 1 runner76 said:

Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.

Was blasted when he went missing off Twitter for a few days, everyone loves it when he is vocal and we have a good result, then everyone hates it when he appears like this and states the obvious.

Guy can’t win.

I think he’s a bit trigger happy with social media but it makes for some entertainment if nothing else.

The problem isn’t Kev on Twitter. The problem is a shocking squad and the rot that has been going on over successive seasons.

Neil and Ronnie were a wet dream, and now we’ve woken up, we need to look at the reality and the main problem isn’t Kev, or I’d argue (because I’ll give him some more time) Darren and his management team. It’s the legacy of shite that needs sorting.

Let’s give them the benefit of doubt until at least the January dust settles…….

Absolutely this.

Personally, I am also willing to give the new regime January before I throw the towel in. But we absolute have to go out and get a ball playing midfielder and a striker of proper championship standard at the bare minimum.

We're only 4 months into his tenure and we're coming off the back of 5 years of chronic underinvestment. Cardiff are under an EFL embargo yet look at their side compared to last season. We had Beckford and Vaughan up top when we came back into the top 2 divisions, we now have Harratt and Hudlin...it's really beyond ridiculous. I dont think either would feature for most of League 1.

We haven't bought a first choice striker since Mounie walked through the door in 2017. We still haven't replaced Mooy. We have Hogg starting every game at almost 35 when Dean Whitehead (someone who had a better career and was a better player than Hogg) was playing the old head bit part sub role at the same age 7 years ago.

The whole club, stadium, everything has been on make do and mend life support for so long and the fans have just had enough. It needs dragging out of this ASAP and some optimism, hope, money and pride needs putting in, but I feel like I've been saying this for years. We don't have 12 months to wait I'm afraid.

My first impressions of Moore aren't great, but then I look at the squad and there are just gaping holes no matter what formation you want to play.

I like a lot of what Nagle says and don't buy into this ego nonsense that gets thrown around every 2 minutes. He seems a genuine guy and the ego of the last two owners seemed much greater to me. But its time for action and to reverse the underinvestment and that starts in January. Otherwise it's all just nonsense, noise and pretty much doomed before its barely even got going.

We had the pride and optimism restored at the end of last season with the Warnock miracle. Instead of seizing on it and building on it, Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have thrown it in the shitter.

[dugnet]

Oct 25, 2023 10:07:55 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

Oct 25, 2023 9:59:21 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Absolutely this.

Personally, I am also willing to give the new regime January before I throw the towel in. But we absolute have to go out and get a ball playing midfielder and a striker of proper championship standard at the bare minimum.

We're only 4 months into his tenure and we're coming off the back of 5 years of chronic underinvestment. Cardiff are under an EFL embargo yet look at their side compared to last season. We had Beckford and Vaughan up top when we came back into the top 2 divisions, we now have Harratt and Hudlin...it's really beyond ridiculous. I dont think either would feature for most of League 1.

We haven't bought a first choice striker since Mounie walked through the door in 2017. We still haven't replaced Mooy. We have Hogg starting every game at almost 35 when Dean Whitehead (someone who had a better career and was a better player than Hogg) was playing the old head bit part sub role at the same age 7 years ago.

The whole club, stadium, everything has been on make do and mend life support for so long and the fans have just had enough. It needs dragging out of this ASAP and some optimism, hope, money and pride needs putting in, but I feel like I've been saying this for years. We don't have 12 months to wait I'm afraid.

My first impressions of Moore aren't great, but then I look at the squad and there are just gaping holes no matter what formation you want to play.

I like a lot of what Nagle says and don't buy into this ego nonsense that gets thrown around every 2 minutes. He seems a genuine guy and the ego of the last two owners seemed much greater to me. But its time for action and to reverse the underinvestment and that starts in January. Otherwise it's all just nonsense, noise and pretty much doomed before its barely even got going.

We had the pride and optimism restored at the end of last season with the Warnock miracle. Instead of seizing on it and building on it, Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have thrown it in the shitter.

It's a blunt assessment, but it is one that will resonate with many at the moment. Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have put their own albatross around their necks, not withstanding any reason that they may felt justified the change. The problem they have is that they are now painted into a corner. Stick with Moore but at the risk of losing games and the fanbase completely or make another change and be branded as being clueless and lacking a plan.

The only thing that saves this situation is winning games of football and on the evidence of last night, and the last 70 minutes on Saturday, that doesn't look something that will be easily achieved.

I am really not sure how this will play out but I am not hopeful of a good outcome. Lose badly on Saturday and, as I said earlier, that might well be the last straw (for many).

In the long term our football club will turn round, but how long that will take and how many will be prepared to wait for that transition is anyone's guess. At least with NW we had a degree of hope and we trusted him, at the moment I don't think anyone in a position of influence is roundly trusted to achieve anything remotely positive. That all said football is a funny game and something might turn round, but that is said in naive hope rather than with any conviction.

[Orinoco]

Oct 25, 2023 8:48:19 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Fair play for Mr Nagle accepting ultimate responsibility, that of course only works if actions are taken to make things better.

On reflection I think Mr Nagle, or perhaps more accurately his team, has made some overly optimistic conclusions about the state of Town and the impact, on the fans, of recent history.

Until the decision to bring NW in the club were heading for certain relegation. The squad was bloated but also lacking quality in key areas. NW, somewhat miraculously, found a way of pragmatically winning games. Moreover, he brought the players together and got the fans onside. This was miraculous in as much as the team had looked doomed.

The summer transfer window was weak. We jettisoned some fat in the squad but didn't really address the areas where we clearly lacked quality. The budget was set at a low level, something that hasn't really been explained, and it was no real surprise we started the season poorly (although I would state the losses against Plymouth and Leicester were far more encouraging than the dross we have seen against Birmingham and Cardiff). NW started to get some control and results started to improve. The spirit and pragmatic nature we saw keep us up last season was in evidence again. We knew we weren't top 6 material but you had hope that we would have enough to stay up.

The decision to let NW go was taken. Whatever the reason or your take most people thought the timing very odd. DM has been appointed. Aside from a spirited 2nd half at Coventry and a very encouraging performance against Ipswich performances have been disjointed, confused and rank awful. The team have regressed back to the days of Fotheringham and, on the eve of a West Yorkshire Derby, all the hope NW had created is dissipated.

You have to question the footballing decisions taken. I would agree the players are capable of better than last night but balance that by saying NW was getting the very most he could from what he had. The best DM can possibly do is replicate what NW was doing, as against Ipswich, but that is the upper limit of our ability right now. I make the point as those in charge don't seem to accept those limitations as a reality. There seems to be an optimistic view we are much better than we are, we aren't. Even if that were true DM has taken us significantly backwards in 6 games, to a point were the despondency of around a year ago is setting in.

I have posted before that I don't think Mr Nagle has "read the room" (of the fans' mood), and I think it's true. He has a niave view of the fanbase, their expectations and mood. I think this was born from the euphoria/relief of what NW achieved at the end of last season. The truth is, and I am not opening the debate as to why as it is pointless, the fanbase have seen the opportunity that was the Premier League wasted, endured some turgid football and a pantomime off the pitch. The one, unexpected, outlier season saw fate rob us of a chance of redemption and the opportunity to build on the platform created spurned. All of this takes a toll. To go from feeling comfortable and trusting with NW in charge to what we saw last night was possibly the straw that buggers the camel's lumbago (although I fear that Saturday might really be the final straw).

Mr Nagle needs to get real and look at things in the round. There is loads to do to get this football club moving forward properly again. All the things with the academy and stadium are needed but the team needs investment. There's equally no point in investing in the team if those in charge of both getting the players and making them play aren't up to those jobs. Right now there are significant questions about those individuals, but they may turn out to be capable.

Personally, and I have stuck with Town through a lot in over 40 years, I have seldom felt so disheartened. That is a word I have used on here a few times in the recent past but although you hope for better I feel like the hope is being knocked out of me. I take no pleasure in saying that and genuinely apologise if people find it overly melodramatic, but it's how I feel.

My message to Mr Nagle would be this: You have a big job on here, bigger than you realise if you're stated ambition of challenging for the Premier League is in anyway realistic. On the face of it the decisions this season have potentially put you back significantly. In the short term I am really not sure what to suggest, other than bring NW back (NB I do not expect that to happen), I can only ask you honestly and critically evaluate the first team and take some considered action to make things better. There is a lot of football before January but please don't plough on hoping for the best if things don't improve. In the worst case a relegation season would certainly have a massive negative impact on the club. Were that to happen I'm afraid it would a long way back for everyone, and incredibly sad. I do think you have the best intentions but you need to accept there is far more to do than positive words,improved pa and self serve pints.

Genuine apologies to everyone for, another, long post but I often naively hope someone reads these things and understands how a reasonable long standing fan feels. I still believe in our club but after nights like last night I wonder how many people feel the same? In the past few years I have posted similar views. I would love to get back to the genuine optimism and excitement of 16/17 and look forward with genuine hope.

As it stands it's going to be a long winter.

UTT

Hope Mr Nagle reads this post, absolutely brilliant.

[belizian]

I don't think KN expected to be financing a team in the Championship when he bought us. Thought he'd get a much cheaper to run Div 1 team and be a bit of a hero keeping us in that div whilst waiting for the academy to produce premiership type players to sell on and finance the club. Dream on Kev.

[Mastercracker]

Oct 25, 2023 10:40:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:07:55 GMT 1 iangreaves said:

We had the pride and optimism restored at the end of last season with the Warnock miracle. Instead of seizing on it and building on it, Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have thrown it in the shitter.

It's a blunt assessment, but it is one that will resonate with many at the moment. Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have put their own albatross around their necks, not withstanding any reason that they may felt justified the change. The problem they have is that they are now painted into a corner. Stick with Moore but at the risk of losing games and the fanbase completely or make another change and be branded as being clueless and lacking a plan.

The only thing that saves this situation is winning games of football and on the evidence of last night, and the last 70 minutes on Saturday, that doesn't look something that will be easily achieved.

I am really not sure how this will play out but I am not hopeful of a good outcome. Lose badly on Saturday and, as I said earlier, that might well be the last straw (for many).

In the long term our football club will turn round, but how long that will take and how many will be prepared to wait for that transition is anyone's guess. At least with NW we had a degree of hope and we trusted him, at the moment I don't think anyone in a position of influence is roundly trusted to achieve anything remotely positive. That all said football is a funny game and something might turn round, but that is said in naive hope rather than with any conviction.

Nobody will be doing that consistently without some investment and new players. Not even Warnock.

People just had more faith with Warnock because of last season plus his body of work over 40 years but that talk when he left of play-offs was absolute guff.

[Sio]

Oct 25, 2023 10:46:08 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:40:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

It's a blunt assessment, but it is one that will resonate with many at the moment. Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have put their own albatross around their necks, not withstanding any reason that they may felt justified the change. The problem they have is that they are now painted into a corner. Stick with Moore but at the risk of losing games and the fanbase completely or make another change and be branded as being clueless and lacking a plan.

The only thing that saves this situation is winning games of football and on the evidence of last night, and the last 70 minutes on Saturday, that doesn't look something that will be easily achieved.

I am really not sure how this will play out but I am not hopeful of a good outcome. Lose badly on Saturday and, as I said earlier, that might well be the last straw (for many).

In the long term our football club will turn round, but how long that will take and how many will be prepared to wait for that transition is anyone's guess. At least with NW we had a degree of hope and we trusted him, at the moment I don't think anyone in a position of influence is roundly trusted to achieve anything remotely positive. That all said football is a funny game and something might turn round, but that is said in naive hope rather than with any conviction.

Nobody will be doing that consistently without some investment and new players. Not even Warnock.

People just had more faith with Warnock because of last season plus his body of work over 40 years but that talk when he left of play-offs was absolute guff.

He knew that himself though, I'd wager. Mind games.

[Mastercracker]

Oct 25, 2023 10:48:17 GMT 1 Sio said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:46:08 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Nobody will be doing that consistently without some investment and new players. Not even Warnock.

People just had more faith with Warnock because of last season plus his body of work over 40 years but that talk when he left of play-offs was absolute guff.

He knew that himself though, I'd wager. Mind games.

100%, it was just future PR banked.

[dugnet]

Oct 25, 2023 10:46:08 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:40:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

It's a blunt assessment, but it is one that will resonate with many at the moment. Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright have put their own albatross around their necks, not withstanding any reason that they may felt justified the change. The problem they have is that they are now painted into a corner. Stick with Moore but at the risk of losing games and the fanbase completely or make another change and be branded as being clueless and lacking a plan.

The only thing that saves this situation is winning games of football and on the evidence of last night, and the last 70 minutes on Saturday, that doesn't look something that will be easily achieved.

I am really not sure how this will play out but I am not hopeful of a good outcome. Lose badly on Saturday and, as I said earlier, that might well be the last straw (for many).

In the long term our football club will turn round, but how long that will take and how many will be prepared to wait for that transition is anyone's guess. At least with NW we had a degree of hope and we trusted him, at the moment I don't think anyone in a position of influence is roundly trusted to achieve anything remotely positive. That all said football is a funny game and something might turn round, but that is said in naive hope rather than with any conviction.

Nobody will be doing that consistently without some investment and new players. Not even Warnock.

People just had more faith with Warnock because of last season plus his body of work over 40 years but that talk when he left of play-offs was absolute guff.

I think NW's key trick is that he gets players, and fans, in believing that they are better than they are, and he gets results. He had started to turn this season round when let go. I completely agree that talk of the play-offs was fanciful but in the dressing room he would have been saying; "hey you're as good as most of the teams in this league, there's no reason why you can't get top 6" and saying to Cartwright; "give me 3 quality players and I'll get you top 6". Now the facts of both those two examples may be challenged, but it would have got results (and the team would have played to a structure and plan that got the best out of the players available - just look at how Koroma has been treated in the last few weeks).

The fact is he has gone. I have to give DM a chance but performances like last night and Birmingham leave you confused, concerned and disillusioned. What I still can't get my head around is how well we played against Ipswich. We had a shape and collective purpose - what has changed? That is a legitimate footballing question that lies solely at DMs door. It is a question Mr Nagle should be asking too, as it is he who is taking the heat for where we are today.

I really don't know where we are going next but I hope I am able to come on here an apologise and admit my concerns were unfounded. As much as I genuinely hope that I will have to do that I am not expecting to.

[dugnet]

Oct 25, 2023 10:42:58 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Oct 25, 2023 8:48:19 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Fair play for Mr Nagle accepting ultimate responsibility, that of course only works if actions are taken to make things better.

On reflection I think Mr Nagle, or perhaps more accurately his team, has made some overly optimistic conclusions about the state of Town and the impact, on the fans, of recent history.

Until the decision to bring NW in the club were heading for certain relegation. The squad was bloated but also lacking quality in key areas. NW, somewhat miraculously, found a way of pragmatically winning games. Moreover, he brought the players together and got the fans onside. This was miraculous in as much as the team had looked doomed.

The summer transfer window was weak. We jettisoned some fat in the squad but didn't really address the areas where we clearly lacked quality. The budget was set at a low level, something that hasn't really been explained, and it was no real surprise we started the season poorly (although I would state the losses against Plymouth and Leicester were far more encouraging than the dross we have seen against Birmingham and Cardiff). NW started to get some control and results started to improve. The spirit and pragmatic nature we saw keep us up last season was in evidence again. We knew we weren't top 6 material but you had hope that we would have enough to stay up.

The decision to let NW go was taken. Whatever the reason or your take most people thought the timing very odd. DM has been appointed. Aside from a spirited 2nd half at Coventry and a very encouraging performance against Ipswich performances have been disjointed, confused and rank awful. The team have regressed back to the days of Fotheringham and, on the eve of a West Yorkshire Derby, all the hope NW had created is dissipated.

You have to question the footballing decisions taken. I would agree the players are capable of better than last night but balance that by saying NW was getting the very most he could from what he had. The best DM can possibly do is replicate what NW was doing, as against Ipswich, but that is the upper limit of our ability right now. I make the point as those in charge don't seem to accept those limitations as a reality. There seems to be an optimistic view we are much better than we are, we aren't. Even if that were true DM has taken us significantly backwards in 6 games, to a point were the despondency of around a year ago is setting in.

I have posted before that I don't think Mr Nagle has "read the room" (of the fans' mood), and I think it's true. He has a niave view of the fanbase, their expectations and mood. I think this was born from the euphoria/relief of what NW achieved at the end of last season. The truth is, and I am not opening the debate as to why as it is pointless, the fanbase have seen the opportunity that was the Premier League wasted, endured some turgid football and a pantomime off the pitch. The one, unexpected, outlier season saw fate rob us of a chance of redemption and the opportunity to build on the platform created spurned. All of this takes a toll. To go from feeling comfortable and trusting with NW in charge to what we saw last night was possibly the straw that buggers the camel's lumbago (although I fear that Saturday might really be the final straw).

Mr Nagle needs to get real and look at things in the round. There is loads to do to get this football club moving forward properly again. All the things with the academy and stadium are needed but the team needs investment. There's equally no point in investing in the team if those in charge of both getting the players and making them play aren't up to those jobs. Right now there are significant questions about those individuals, but they may turn out to be capable.

Personally, and I have stuck with Town through a lot in over 40 years, I have seldom felt so disheartened. That is a word I have used on here a few times in the recent past but although you hope for better I feel like the hope is being knocked out of me. I take no pleasure in saying that and genuinely apologise if people find it overly melodramatic, but it's how I feel.

My message to Mr Nagle would be this: You have a big job on here, bigger than you realise if you're stated ambition of challenging for the Premier League is in anyway realistic. On the face of it the decisions this season have potentially put you back significantly. In the short term I am really not sure what to suggest, other than bring NW back (NB I do not expect that to happen), I can only ask you honestly and critically evaluate the first team and take some considered action to make things better. There is a lot of football before January but please don't plough on hoping for the best if things don't improve. In the worst case a relegation season would certainly have a massive negative impact on the club. Were that to happen I'm afraid it would a long way back for everyone, and incredibly sad. I do think you have the best intentions but you need to accept there is far more to do than positive words,improved pa and self serve pints.

Genuine apologies to everyone for, another, long post but I often naively hope someone reads these things and understands how a reasonable long standing fan feels. I still believe in our club but after nights like last night I wonder how many people feel the same? In the past few years I have posted similar views. I would love to get back to the genuine optimism and excitement of 16/17 and look forward with genuine hope.

As it stands it's going to be a long winter.

UTT

Hope Mr Nagle reads this post, absolutely brilliant.

If he wants to invite me for afternoon tea I'll go (although I won't hold my breath for my invitation).

[richhtfc]

Oct 25, 2023 10:58:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:46:08 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Nobody will be doing that consistently without some investment and new players. Not even Warnock.

People just had more faith with Warnock because of last season plus his body of work over 40 years but that talk when he left of play-offs was absolute guff.

I think NW's key trick is that he gets players, and fans, in believing that they are better than they are, and he gets results. He had started to turn this season round when let go. I completely agree that talk of the play-offs was fanciful but in the dressing room he would have been saying; "hey you're as good as most of the teams in this league, there's no reason why you can't get top 6" and saying to Cartwright; "give me 3 quality players and I'll get you top 6". Now the facts of both those two examples may be challenged, but it would have got results (and the team would have played to a structure and plan that got the best out of the players available - just look at how Koroma has been treated in the last few weeks).

The fact is he has gone. I have to give DM a chance but performances like last night and Birmingham leave you confused, concerned and disillusioned. What I still can't get my head around is how well we played against Ipswich. We had a shape and collective purpose - what has changed? That is a legitimate footballing question that lies solely at DMs door. It is a question Mr Nagle should be asking too, as it is he who is taking the heat for where we are today.

I really don't know where we are going next but I hope I am able to come on here an apologise and admit my concerns were unfounded. As much as I genuinely hope that I will have to do that I am not expecting to.

It is bewildering where that Ipswich performance came from, was it a lucky formation? Ipswich having a rare off day? Our players being particularly up for the game? Despite being less than a month ago it seems like a distant memory.

[Dan]

Oct 25, 2023 11:36:49 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:58:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

I think NW's key trick is that he gets players, and fans, in believing that they are better than they are, and he gets results. He had started to turn this season round when let go. I completely agree that talk of the play-offs was fanciful but in the dressing room he would have been saying; "hey you're as good as most of the teams in this league, there's no reason why you can't get top 6" and saying to Cartwright; "give me 3 quality players and I'll get you top 6". Now the facts of both those two examples may be challenged, but it would have got results (and the team would have played to a structure and plan that got the best out of the players available - just look at how Koroma has been treated in the last few weeks).

The fact is he has gone. I have to give DM a chance but performances like last night and Birmingham leave you confused, concerned and disillusioned. What I still can't get my head around is how well we played against Ipswich. We had a shape and collective purpose - what has changed? That is a legitimate footballing question that lies solely at DMs door. It is a question Mr Nagle should be asking too, as it is he who is taking the heat for where we are today.

I really don't know where we are going next but I hope I am able to come on here an apologise and admit my concerns were unfounded. As much as I genuinely hope that I will have to do that I am not expecting to.

It is bewildering where that Ipswich performance came from, was it an lucky formation? Ipswich having a rare off day? Our players being particularly up for the game? Despite being less than a month ago it seems like a distant memory.

Every good chance we had in that Ipswich game came through Nakayama who was being played at left wing back. Since then he's been played in centre midfield, centre half and left back.

[overtonterrierspirit]

Oct 25, 2023 11:36:49 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:58:03 GMT 1 dugnet said:

I think NW's key trick is that he gets players, and fans, in believing that they are better than they are, and he gets results. He had started to turn this season round when let go. I completely agree that talk of the play-offs was fanciful but in the dressing room he would have been saying; "hey you're as good as most of the teams in this league, there's no reason why you can't get top 6" and saying to Cartwright; "give me 3 quality players and I'll get you top 6". Now the facts of both those two examples may be challenged, but it would have got results (and the team would have played to a structure and plan that got the best out of the players available - just look at how Koroma has been treated in the last few weeks).

The fact is he has gone. I have to give DM a chance but performances like last night and Birmingham leave you confused, concerned and disillusioned. What I still can't get my head around is how well we played against Ipswich. We had a shape and collective purpose - what has changed? That is a legitimate footballing question that lies solely at DMs door. It is a question Mr Nagle should be asking too, as it is he who is taking the heat for where we are today.

I really don't know where we are going next but I hope I am able to come on here an apologise and admit my concerns were unfounded. As much as I genuinely hope that I will have to do that I am not expecting to.

It is bewildering where that Ipswich performance came from, was it an lucky formation? Ipswich having a rare off day? Our players being particularly up for the game?

You see that is an excellent point.
“Players being up for the game”
It’s that word intensity - we just don’t start a game showing anything like this.
First 20 mins v QPR maybe but then it just disappeared.
We should be showing this in every game but don’t.
Certainly is bewildering.

[Orinoco]

Oct 25, 2023 11:19:06 GMT 1 dugnet said:

Oct 25, 2023 10:42:58 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Hope Mr Nagle reads this post, absolutely brilliant.

If he wants to invite me for afternoon tea I'll go (although I won't hold my breath for my invitation).

Will be a route beer and a cookie!!

[crux]

Oct 25, 2023 15:07:11 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Oct 25, 2023 11:19:06 GMT 1 dugnet said:

If he wants to invite me for afternoon tea I'll go (although I won't hold my breath for my invitation).

Will be a route beer and a cookie!!

It's Root Beer and I'm really weird because I actually like it 😅

[Orinoco]

Oct 25, 2023 16:37:48 GMT 1 crux said:

Oct 25, 2023 15:07:11 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Will be a route beer and a cookie!!

It's Root Beer and I'm really weird because I actually like it 😅

What's it taste like? Never had it!

[crux]

Oct 25, 2023 16:56:48 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Oct 25, 2023 16:37:48 GMT 1 crux said:

It's Root Beer and I'm really weird because I actually like it 😅

What's it taste like? Never had it!

It's quite medicinal 🤣. It's a bit like the mouthwash you get at the dentist, but fizzy 😋

[drumriggend]

It’s been shown on another thread but I think the blue plaque thingy at the Albert today is brilliant..




Deserves its own thread..




🍻

[ringdisco]

Oct 25, 2023 10:43:15 GMT 1 belizian said:

I don't think KN expected to be financing a team in the Championship when he bought us. Thought he'd get a much cheaper to run Div 1 team and be a bit of a hero keeping us in that div whilst waiting for the academy to produce premiership type players to sell on and finance the club. Dream on Kev.

I highly doubt Edwards and Cartwright would join League One clubs. Just think Nagle is a bit naive. He's only familiar with USL after all. And some basket, but maybe not the day to day.

[Captainslapper]

Oct 25, 2023 11:41:51 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

Oct 25, 2023 11:36:49 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

It is bewildering where that Ipswich performance came from, was it an lucky formation? Ipswich having a rare off day? Our players being particularly up for the game?

You see that is an excellent point.
“Players being up for the game”
It’s that word intensity - we just don’t start a game showing anything like this.
First 20 mins v QPR maybe but then it just disappeared.
We should be showing this in every game but don’t.
Certainly is bewildering.

There were certainly a few who didnt seem up for that game last night.

Ill single one out...Wiles.
How half assed was he? There was one time half way through the first half where he lost possession on the half way line with ( yet another) poor pass and Cardiff broke towards our goal.
I watched Wiles and the lack of effort to get back and repair the situation he had just caused was shocking. Just couldn't be arsed.

Last night reminded me of the second half of Corbarons first season. The players seemingly disheartened and totally confused as to what they are supposed to be doing.
Results look like they might go the same way too...what was it..3 wins in 24 games?

[runner76]

Oct 25, 2023 17:21:19 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Oct 25, 2023 11:41:51 GMT 1 overtonterrierspirit said:

You see that is an excellent point.
“Players being up for the game”
It’s that word intensity - we just don’t start a game showing anything like this.
First 20 mins v QPR maybe but then it just disappeared.
We should be showing this in every game but don’t.
Certainly is bewildering.

There were certainly a few who didnt seem up for that game last night.

Ill single one out...Wiles.
How half assed was he? There was one time half way through the first half where he lost possession on the half way line with ( yet another) poor pass and Cardiff broke towards our goal.
I watched Wiles and the lack of effort to get back and repair the situation he had just caused was shocking. Just couldn't be arsed.

Last night reminded me of the second half of Corbarons first season. The players seemingly disheartened and totally confused as to what they are supposed to be doing.
Results look like they might go the same way too...what was it..3 wins in 24 games?

Yep

3 wins in last 24

9 draws and 12 losses

.....hope the next 3/4 of season are not that bad!

[Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier]

Oct 25, 2023 16:56:48 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Oct 25, 2023 16:37:48 GMT 1 crux said:

It's Root Beer and I'm really weird because I actually like it 😅

What's it taste like? Never had it!

Horrible! Never took to it when I lived in the States. As Crux said, “medicinal”. Each to their own.

[Mastercracker]

The players might look confused but I don’t think they are being asked to do anything complicated or out of the ordinary, unlike under Carlos 20/21.

I argue Warnocks man to man setup was more complicated and unusual than anything we’re doing now.

[htafcokay]

Oct 25, 2023 17:12:18 GMT 1 drumriggend said:

It’s been shown on another thread but I think the blue plaque thingy at the Albert today is brilliant..




Deserves its own thread..




🍻

Mostly down to the HTSA and Heritage Project. Thanks to the likes of Bob Pepper and others. Bob got Patrick Stewart to come as they're friends.

I've seen the hard work that's gone into this and it has been in process for years.

I know some of the people who have been heavily involved and its a credit to them.

[Orinoco]

Oct 25, 2023 17:29:29 GMT 1 Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier said:

Oct 25, 2023 16:56:48 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

What's it taste like? Never had it!

Horrible! Never took to it when I lived in the States. As Crux said, “medicinal”. Each to their own.

Sounds like Dr Pepper, yuk!!

[sabailand]

Oct 25, 2023 16:56:48 GMT 1 Orinoco said:

Oct 25, 2023 16:37:48 GMT 1 crux said:

It's Root Beer and I'm really weird because I actually like it 😅

What's it taste like? Never had it!

Germolene.

[Justasmithers]

Root beer > blood sausage 😂

[duncfost01]

Oct 25, 2023 17:31:26 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

The players might look confused but I don’t think they are being asked to do anything complicated or out of the ordinary, unlike under Carlos 20/21.

I argue Warnocks man to man setup was more complicated and unusual than anything we’re doing now.

What are we supposed to be doing ? Anybody know ?

As far as I can see, we have three slow centre-halves that seemingly can no longer mark anybody.

A midfield 3 that very rarely pass to each other.

Some league 1/2 strikers.

The fact that no striker was signed is appalling.

[htafcokay]

Oct 25, 2023 18:33:25 GMT 1 duncfost01 said:

Oct 25, 2023 17:31:26 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

The players might look confused but I don’t think they are being asked to do anything complicated or out of the ordinary, unlike under Carlos 20/21.

I argue Warnocks man to man setup was more complicated and unusual than anything we’re doing now.

What are we supposed to be doing ? Anybody know ?

As far as I can see, we have three slow centre-halves that seemingly can no longer mark anybody.

A midfield 3 that very rarely pass to each other.

Some league 1/2 strikers.

The fact that no striker was signed is appalling.

I think you should tweet Nagle and ask him.