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Post by Flowerdisco on Nov 3, 2023 20:01:07 GMT 1
Let's face it he's not exactly pension age. I'm more surprised we let JR go and kept Danny Ward
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Post by belizian on Nov 3, 2023 20:56:34 GMT 1
Is he allowed to play for Pool in FA cup. Yes he is. Which I find surprising. Suggests we are probably not bringing him back? Though the fact that they had to ask presumably means we do have a recall clause for Jan and could if wanted to? Edit: Just noticed that Pool have added "we've known for a number of weeks that he would be available". So decision maybe made under NW's watch? |
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Post by omegasupreme on Nov 4, 2023 21:31:59 GMT 1
I don't think any Town fan would put down a 23 year old JR but we've got a 33 year old one, that's the problem One who still scores goals. If we signed someone with his scoring record from the league below in January, people would be going mental with excitement. I can’t see what he’s done wrong! He’s not done it in the championship in his second spell with us over 2 years. And unfortunately he’s one of those players that, if he’s not tapping in goals, he’s not doing anything really. Loaning him out wasn’t a mistake, not replacing him with someone better was criminal. The travesty here is that he did nothing for us in two years and yet now it’s clear we NEED to recall him back in Jan. |
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Post by saintlyterrier on Nov 4, 2023 21:42:08 GMT 1
One who still scores goals. If we signed someone with his scoring record from the league below in January, people would be going mental with excitement. I can’t see what he’s done wrong! He’s not done it in the championship in his second spell with us over 2 years. And unfortunately he’s one of those players that, if he’s not tapping in goals, he’s not doing anything really. Loaning him out wasn’t a mistake, not replacing him with someone better was criminal. The travesty here is that he did nothing for us in two years and yet now it’s clear we NEED to recall him back in Jan. Bravo! Needed to be said. |
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Post by Amigo on Nov 4, 2023 21:49:33 GMT 1
A goal every 256 minutes last season.
A goal every 257 minutes the season before.
Better than a goal every 3 games, it's not bad. He doesn't have the legs but his use of the ball is decent and in a front 2 would be better than many games he played on his own. He shouldn't have been let go without a replacement already being in.
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Post by pterrier on Nov 4, 2023 22:25:16 GMT 1
Rhodes in this system or at a struggling team in general is not the answer. If we were bossing territory, creating opportunities and had mobility around him then he’d score goals but the reality is he’ll be coming back to a team that maybe creates two or three chances a match, has very little of the ball and mainly relies on punts into the channels. Also don’t forget Moore had him at Wednesday under similar circumstances and he wasn’t effective there.
It may seem like an unpopular solution but we need pace up
front to suit our current situation, we are never going to boss territory with this current line up and we don’t have guile to unlock defences, playing it into space for a pacy striker or catching the opposition on the counter are our best chances of staying up this season. Burgzorg and Koroma were up front against Rotherham and also against Ipswich and they were probably our best performances, no surprise that we had pace in the right areas.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Nov 14, 2023 12:11:22 GMT 1
I do laugh if the club think bringing Jordan back is going to answer anything. He scored 4 in 14 for Moore in 2021 as Sheff Wed were relegated miserably, 3 years later i'd be surprised he can even get half of that with natural ageing. Bring him back all you want but he isn't going to change a great deal. League one is his level now.
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 14, 2023 13:05:21 GMT 1
I do laugh if the club think bringing Jordan back is going to answer anything. He scored 4 in 14 for Moore in 2021 as Sheff Wed were relegated miserably, 3 years later i'd be surprised he can even get half of that with natural ageing. Bring him back all you want but he isn't going to change a great deal. League one is his level now. And ours  |
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Post by willo on Nov 14, 2023 13:29:40 GMT 1
I do laugh if the club think bringing Jordan back is going to answer anything. He scored 4 in 14 for Moore in 2021 as Sheff Wed were relegated miserably, 3 years later i'd be surprised he can even get half of that with natural ageing. Bring him back all you want but he isn't going to change a great deal. League one is his level now. And yet he’s still the best striker currently on our books! When you think about it, it’s comical. We were always going to struggle somewhat again this season but then we fire the best manager out there for keeping a team up and (assuming we were never strengthening in the striker department) allow the guy who would arguably score more than Ward, Harratt or Hudlin to go out on loan. I accept JR is not the player he was 10 years ago but he still knows where the net is and if played to his strengths, will still bag a few. I agree though we should have brought a couple of forwards in in the summer and this discussion would have then been academic. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 14, 2023 13:33:53 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin.
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 14, 2023 13:36:42 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin. Only if we're making chances, which we're not. The rest of his play outside the penalty box has always been poor. |
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Post by monkbar on Nov 14, 2023 13:38:49 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin. Only if we're making chances, which we're not. The rest of his play outside the penalty box has always been poor. Not any poorer than theirs I'd argue. |
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Post by uw2ba on Nov 14, 2023 14:09:26 GMT 1
Most effective striker in the box: Jordan Rhodes
Most effective striker outside the box: Danny ward
We have neither for different reasons, frustrating.
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Post by detox on Nov 14, 2023 14:19:10 GMT 1
we're not even creating openings so any striker we bring in would be a waste of money...we're lucky to have over 30% of the possession in games now..we have a minimal number of crosses , mostly which don't reach their target..and that through ball from midfield that Wiles was supposed to be delivering is non existent... Playing Hudlin is just a token gesture to say we have a striker on the pitch..we might as well play without one and set ourselves up that way..
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Post by royrace on Nov 14, 2023 14:51:16 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin. Exactly, need him back, its a no brainer...plus at least one more in Jan but I wont hold my breath on that or that he will be of the required quality. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 14, 2023 15:03:29 GMT 1
What price we hear this at the start of January...
"Bringing Jordan back was a no brainer. In many ways, it feels like we've made a new signing up front."
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Post by Amigo on Nov 14, 2023 16:27:01 GMT 1
I do laugh if the club think bringing Jordan back is going to answer anything. He scored 4 in 14 for Moore in 2021 as Sheff Wed were relegated miserably, 3 years later i'd be surprised he can even get half of that with natural ageing. Bring him back all you want but he isn't going to change a great deal. League one is his level now. Even 4 in 14 is better than anything we have right now. There was only 9 starts in that 14 as well so it isn't that bad. His strike rate since coming to us is better than that as well. He's not the answer, but he's far more use here than somewhere else especially when we have nothing else. |
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Post by wigster on Nov 14, 2023 17:09:18 GMT 1
Ward, Harratt, Hudlin can only dream of 4 goals in 14 starts, never mind in 9 starts .
Think I'm m right in saying they might just have got that, between them, in the whole of last season !
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 17:09:44 GMT 1
Ward, Harratt, Hudlin can only dream of 4 goals in 14 starts, never mind in 9 starts . Think I'm m right in saying they might just have got that, between them, in the whole of last season ! Rhodes only got six. |
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Post by wigster on Nov 14, 2023 17:41:03 GMT 1
Most effective striker in the box: Jordan Rhodes Most effective striker outside the box: Danny ward We have neither for different reasons, frustrating. Why on earth is Danny Ward an effective striker outside the box ? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Nov 14, 2023 18:18:35 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin. Only if we're making chances, which we're not. The rest of his play outside the penalty box has always been poor. If we dont set up with a view to creating the odd chance then we may aswell just play another midfielder or defender. I would suggest our lack of chances suggests we need the best finisher playing when we do create one.. It's a poor situation though. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 14, 2023 18:43:18 GMT 1
Most effective striker in the box: Jordan Rhodes Most effective striker outside the box: Danny ward We have neither for different reasons, frustrating. Why on earth is Danny Ward an effective striker outside the box ? A favourite of Warnock for that very reason, been a favourite of his at two other clubs too, far from prolific but he obviously does what Warnock tells him well enough, although he didnt score loads he was a vital cog in our escape from relegation last season, tactics eh, mind boggling. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 14, 2023 18:47:22 GMT 1
Hindsight is a wonderful thing,
I am of course a massive Warnock fan, I don’t though think he handled the Rhodes situation well.
Let’s get him back in January.
Perhaps Moore (thinking of Koroma) will play him at right back.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 18:57:16 GMT 1
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I am of course a massive Warnock fan, I don’t though think he handled the Rhodes situation well. Let’s get him back in January. Perhaps Moore (thinking of Koroma) will play him at right back. Let's sign a Championship striker instead. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 14, 2023 19:00:05 GMT 1
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I am of course a massive Warnock fan, I don’t though think he handled the Rhodes situation well. Let’s get him back in January. Perhaps Moore (thinking of Koroma) will play him at right back. I really felt for Rhodes at the start of the season. He was frozen out through no fault of his own last season, so what does he do? Keeps himself in the best nick of the whole squad during the off season, and tops the charts for the fitness tests on the first day back to show he wants to fight for his place. Warnock responded by continuing to freeze him out. I understand it's more complicated than that and probably something to do with us needing to offload any player who commanded a reasonable second tier player's wage. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 14, 2023 19:03:43 GMT 1
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, I am of course a massive Warnock fan, I don’t though think he handled the Rhodes situation well. Let’s get him back in January. Perhaps Moore (thinking of Koroma) will play him at right back. I really felt for Rhodes at the start of the season. He was frozen out through no fault of his own last season, so what does he do? Keeps himself in the best nick of the whole squad during the off season, and tops the charts for the fitness tests on the first day back to show he wants to fight for his place. Warnock responded by continuing to freeze him out. I understand it's more complicated than that and probably something to do with us needing to offload any player who commanded a reasonable second tier player's wage. Warnock really didn’t handle this well at all. Rhodes to his credit did though and has remained a superb professional. I have watched his finishes for Blackpool, he has still got it and not buying this ‘not at Championship level’. |
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Post by ambryboy on Nov 14, 2023 19:38:06 GMT 1
As much as Rhodes might not be the long term answer he is quite simply a better option until the end of the season than Harratt or Hudlin. Only if we're making chances, which we're not. The rest of his play outside the penalty box has always been poor. If Hogg's pass against Hull had been to Rhodes rather than Hudlin I doubt we'd have lost 1-0. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Nov 14, 2023 19:52:06 GMT 1
Warnock not utilising Rhodes was his biggest failure during his tenure. Quite baffling really.
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 14, 2023 19:58:37 GMT 1
Warnock not utilising Rhodes was his biggest failure during his tenure. Quite baffling really. We had a premier league striker (not currently starting) lined up in the Summer. A name, a Player that would have had 15 goals by now. An ex-neighbour who wanted to come here and thought it was a done deal. On big money, yes but what a Player. The club pulled out at the last minute. Welcome to league one you fucking dickheads. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 14, 2023 20:02:01 GMT 1
Warnock not utilising Rhodes was his biggest failure during his tenure. Quite baffling really. We didn't exactly miss him, did we? |
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