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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 13:28:40 GMT 1
It's a couple of new players we need. Not crying about folk who've left who weren't playing anyway .. ffs Duncan it's taken ONE GAME for you to do your tiresome 180 degree turn . Calm down man dont read the posts then. Plymouth will be in the bottom six - along with us - unless we sign some players. We have stayed up twice in the last three seasons by small margins - if we keep knocking on that door its going to open. Sorry Dunc ... say what? (I'm reminded of that old show "Runaround" with Mike Reid when little children kept changing their minds ) "Warnock has clearly shipped out all those he didn't need or want - the squad has too many players anyway, that never played for the first team" (Runaround Dunc 29th July) Negatives - moaning town fans about lack of signings. It’s been explained to us - so let’s just get on with it" (Runaround Dunc 30th July ) |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Aug 7, 2023 13:34:10 GMT 1
We are trying to sign players, weve just not been able to persuade anyone to join us.
Town require a new midfielder and striker urgently however no point making signings for the sake of it.
Look at what we brought in at christmas and how well they didnt do.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 13:36:33 GMT 1
We are trying to sign players, weve just not been able to persuade anyone to join us. Town require a new midfielder and striker urgently however no point making signings for the sake of it. Look at what we brought in at christmas and how well they didnt do. They have obviously been working day and night to try and get folk in . The fear is that they will be pressured to make poor decisions and bring the wrong folk in based on town fans whining on twitter |
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Post by shawsie on Aug 7, 2023 13:40:33 GMT 1
We are trying to sign players, weve just not been able to persuade anyone to join us. Town require a new midfielder and striker urgently however no point making signings for the sake of it. Look at what we brought in at christmas and how well they didnt do. They have obviously been working day and night to try and get folk in . The fear is that they will be pressured to make poor decisions and bring the wrong folk in based on town fans whining on twitter Spot on.....many on here were bemoaning the lack of chances for promising young guns.......hopefully one or two get a chance tmoro and force their way into NWs plans - ruffels did it last yr by way of example. |
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 7, 2023 14:09:18 GMT 1
They have obviously been working day and night to try and get folk in . The fear is that they will be pressured to make poor decisions and bring the wrong folk in based on town fans whining on twitter Spot on.....many on here were bemoaning the lack of chances for promising young guns.......hopefully one or two get a chance tmoro and force their way into NWs plans - ruffels did it last yr by way of example. Ruffels is nearly 30! |
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Post by space hardware on Aug 7, 2023 22:07:21 GMT 1
We are trying to sign players, weve just not been able to persuade anyone to join us. Town require a new midfielder and striker urgently however no point making signings for the sake of it. Look at what we brought in at christmas and how well they didnt do. They have obviously been working day and night to try and get folk in . The fear is that they will be pressured to make poor decisions and bring the wrong folk in based on town fans whining on twitter If they are able to be pressurised into signing players based on Town fans whining on Twitter then I'm 100% sure they're in the wrong job. |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 7, 2023 22:15:04 GMT 1
They have obviously been working day and night to try and get folk in . The fear is that they will be pressured to make poor decisions and bring the wrong folk in based on town fans whining on twitter If they are able to be pressurised into signing players based on Town fans whining on Twitter then I'm 100% sure they're in the wrong job. To be fair after being soundly beaten by what I believe will be the divisions whipping boys we are hardly going to be an attractive proposition for players. Couple that with the low wages we offer then it's always going to be a struggle. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 22:35:12 GMT 1
If they are able to be pressurised into signing players based on Town fans whining on Twitter then I'm 100% sure they're in the wrong job. To be fair after being soundly beaten by what I believe will be the divisions whipping boys we are hardly going to be an attractive proposition for players. Couple that with the low wages we offer then it's always going to be a struggle. I disagree we were soundly beaten I disagree Plymouth will be whipping boys I think we will both finish mid table |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 7, 2023 22:38:10 GMT 1
To be fair after being soundly beaten by what I believe will be the divisions whipping boys we are hardly going to be an attractive proposition for players. Couple that with the low wages we offer then it's always going to be a struggle. I disagree we were soundly beaten I disagree Plymouth will be whipping boys I think we will both finish mid table I'd say 3-1 is a sound beating. Doesn't matter how much possession you have when you can't finish your dinner or your defence parts like the red sea. Can I ask, where do you think we will be in the table after the Leicester, Middlesborough and Norwich games? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 22:48:00 GMT 1
I disagree we were soundly beaten I disagree Plymouth will be whipping boys I think we will both finish mid table I'd say 3-1 is a sound beating. Doesn't matter how much possession you have when you can't finish your dinner or your defence parts like the red sea. Can I ask, where do you think we will be in the table after the Leicester, Middlesborough and Norwich games? Being 'soundly beaten ' is how many town teams have been beaten down the years . Created one or maybe two chances against the opposition's 10-15. Chasing shadows . Being outthought and outfought. Saturday wasn't like that at all . Before they scored their second we looked the team most likely. Football is fine margins . We were beaten not "soundly beaten" . Even after they scored their second we went straight up the field and missed by a whisker . If you think Plymouth are bottom three we will have to agree to disagree and return to the subject at the end of the season And I have no clue . That's the fun of the championship isn't it .. do you ever find it fun ? If not why not go do something else instead ? It seems negativity and doubt and fretting rule your existence . Are you going to live like that till you die ? Our most recent form figures against the three you mention is Won one drawn one . Not played for years one... so why only look on the negative side? im sure we will pick up some points |
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 7, 2023 22:53:43 GMT 1
I'd say 3-1 is a sound beating. Doesn't matter how much possession you have when you can't finish your dinner or your defence parts like the red sea. Can I ask, where do you think we will be in the table after the Leicester, Middlesborough and Norwich games? Being 'soundly beaten ' is how many town teams have been beaten down the years . Created one or maybe two chances against the opposition's 10-15. Chasing shadows . Being outthought and outfought. Saturday wasn't like that at all . Before they scored their second we looked the team most likely. Football is fine margins . We were beaten not "soundly beaten" . Even after they scored their second we went straight up the field and missed by a whisker . If you think Plymouth are bottom three we will have to agree to disagree and return to the subject at the end of the season And I have no clue . That's the fun of the championship isn't it .. do you ever find it fun ? If not why not go do something else instead ? It seems negativity and doubt and fretting rule your existence . Are you going to live like that till you die ? Our most recent form figures against the three you mention is Won one drawn one . Not played for years one... so why only look on the negative side? im sure we will pick up some points You like to call me a fretter don't you 🤣 I've told you before, it's a bag of air. I don't fret and I don't always look at the negatives. My post earlier about Nagle for example, I think he will be very good for this club. All things considered however, a very poor transfer window couple with an opening day loss to the new boys has my glass half empty at the minute. It's just the way I see it. Look at the prediction table thread, many posters have us to be bottom 3. It's not an uncommon feeling to be negative about where we currently are. If we win tomorrow night I might start feeling positive again, that's the ups and downs of supporting a football team. A football forum allows you to express that. For me it's not a linear thing, you don't have to have a side of the fence and stick to it. As the team ebbs and flows so will I. Irrespective I have my season tickets again and will be there win lose or draw. I'll just explain my feelings about the game afterwards. It's what a football forum is for is it not? |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 23:04:26 GMT 1
Plymouth ain't going down though
And we were ok on Saturday. Daft mistakes at both ends . But not a chance town will go down either . I doubt we will set the world alight but we won't go down
Imo
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 7, 2023 23:10:53 GMT 1
Plymouth ain't going down though And we were ok on Saturday. Daft mistakes at both ends . But not a chance town will go down either . I doubt we will set the world alight but we won't go down Imo I hope to god you're right and I have faith in our management team and the majority of our first 11. Just not our squad and that's where my real concerns lie. With Plymouth I think whipping boys maybe a tad harsh but I ultimately see them towards the bottom of the table. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 23:15:28 GMT 1
I think its a bit of a Ballache that many bought their season tickets on the back of last year's run in and then warnock being lured back. Only to find that 2024-25 is the season to concentrate on and this season will be "consolidation"
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2023 23:42:22 GMT 1
As I remember (could well be wrong) wasn’t MF slagged off for naming underperforming players, and for saying he thought we’d played well when we patently hadn’t. Is NW being judged by a different set of rules? The difference being that Warnock commands respect from the players and MF did not. You earn the right to have that respect and to be able to talk about the players. Warnock wouldn’t have mentioned someone like REG (who was clearly at fault) because he seems to have fragile confidence and needs an arm around his shoulder. He mentioned players who he feel will react to it by putting in a better performance next time. I would also add that when he named those players he's done so against a backdrop of showing how much he respects and admires them, and that he knows they're capable of better. If he had come in banging on about "intensity" and then referred to him as "that black winger" when publicly belittling him, I think he'd receive a similar level of opprobrium. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 7, 2023 23:43:14 GMT 1
Im fine with 'consolidation'
We need a bit after the last few seasons of drama
We were well ragged on Saturday, but Ive confidence we will stay up, and crack on next year.
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 8, 2023 0:03:35 GMT 1
Im fine with 'consolidation' We need a bit after the last few seasons of drama We were well ragged on Saturday, but Ive confidence we will stay up, and crack on next year. It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. |
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Post by twyford on Aug 8, 2023 0:55:34 GMT 1
Im fine with 'consolidation' We need a bit after the last few seasons of drama We were well ragged on Saturday, but Ive confidence we will stay up, and crack on next year. It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Aug 8, 2023 1:42:45 GMT 1
Not at panic stations yet.
First game of the season, playing a team who came up as champions of their division. It's the worst time to play them, as they are riding the high of promotion.
We're a couple players short in the squad (CM, Striker, ideally a wide man)
It's one game.
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Post by goodbet on Aug 8, 2023 2:11:02 GMT 1
I think its a bit of a Ballache that many bought their season tickets on the back of last year's run in and then warnock being lured back. Only to find that 2024-25 is the season to concentrate on and this season will be "consolidation" I am not too sure that anyone knows what consolidation means "make (something) physically stronger or more solid:" Now we have had a clearout and then we ... In a years time I wonder what we will be told then, as it is always jam tomorrow. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 8, 2023 6:39:32 GMT 1
dont read the posts then. Plymouth will be in the bottom six - along with us - unless we sign some players. We have stayed up twice in the last three seasons by small margins - if we keep knocking on that door its going to open. Sorry Dunc ... say what? (I'm reminded of that old show "Runaround" with Mike Reid when little children kept changing their minds ) "Warnock has clearly shipped out all those he didn't need or want - the squad has too many players anyway, that never played for the first team" (Runaround Dunc 29th July) Negatives - moaning town fans about lack of signings. It’s been explained to us - so let’s just get on with it" (Runaround Dunc 30th July ) I three putted the last on Sunday from 8ft - so my mood wasn’t great. Sorba should have put that lad in row z - rudhoni has to score - Josh should have buried that chance in the first half. Plymouth will be in the bottom 6 come the end of the season. So frustrating to lose a game where we should have got at least a point. But in saying all of that it was the three putt. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 8, 2023 6:48:34 GMT 1
Im fine with 'consolidation' We need a bit after the last few seasons of drama We were well ragged on Saturday, but Ive confidence we will stay up, and crack on next year. I’m not sure consolidation exists. Isn’t it just another way of saying we are skint - or we can’t afford a new “house” so we are staying here for the time being…. as positive as I’ve tried to be barring a couple of posts - it worries me that our squad lacks depth and quality. Yes the transfer window isn’t shut yet but once again we have t put ourselves in the best position at the start of a season. |
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 8, 2023 7:08:30 GMT 1
It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? I broadly agree with you, although given the project was abandoned in spectacular fashion after 2/3 of the first season of "going for it", I'm not sure Rubery is the best example. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 8, 2023 8:38:23 GMT 1
I think its a bit of a Ballache that many bought their season tickets on the back of last year's run in and then warnock being lured back. Only to find that 2024-25 is the season to concentrate on and this season will be "consolidation" I am not too sure that anyone knows what consolidation means "make (something) physically stronger or more solid:" Now we have had a clearout and then we ... In a years time I wonder what we will be told then, as it is always jam tomorrow. Maybe yeah . Not much we can do without buying the thing ourselves |
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Post by twyford on Aug 8, 2023 8:50:53 GMT 1
I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? I broadly agree with you, although given the project was abandoned in spectacular fashion after 2/3 of the first season of "going for it", I'm not sure Rubery is the best example. But at the start of the season we were definitely going for it. Maybe the way it turned out shows that it isn't as 'refreshing' as the OP envisages. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 8, 2023 8:58:02 GMT 1
It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? We weren't giving it a go at all during Buxtons early years . Uncle Keith was a solicitor and the rest of the board similarly placed financially . The increase in home games helped but back in them days all gate receipts were split 50 50 |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Aug 8, 2023 9:12:42 GMT 1
Im fine with 'consolidation' We need a bit after the last few seasons of drama We were well ragged on Saturday, but Ive confidence we will stay up, and crack on next year. It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. It’s been a slog I know, my first game was 1970, after that it was 40 odd years of varying degrees of shit {br] But to be fair we did have the prem promotion, the stay up, and the 2022 play off final. Nagle can’t have bought us for any other reason than to get success, after all, we don’t have any assets to strip. Squad looks well thin, but with 2/3 good loaners we’ll be ok for this year br] If there’s no real investment next season then I’ll join the doomsayers |
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Post by ambryboy on Aug 8, 2023 10:47:39 GMT 1
It's always next bloody year though as a Town fan. After 50+ years watching Town it would be so refreshing if for once it was going to be this season we'll give it a right good go. I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? Perhaps my post was an over-generalisation as I'm not saying that over my half a century+ of supporting Town we have never shown any ambition, however all too often particularly over recent seasons (2016/17 excepted) we seem to be hampered by a mindset that we are a lower Championship club and that we should be content to watch a season after season of mediocrity in the second tier with the odd foray into tiers 3 & 4 and the even fewer seasons in the top flight. Particularly since relegation we feel to have been fed a constant narrative how lucky we are to have a club and that after each season of adjustment and consolidation we'll then be in a much stronger position financially even though we won't be able to compete financially with teams like Luton & Brentford because we're losing £5million a year. I thought Nagle's takeover would see a shift in the clubs ambitions, yet (to date) we have had one of the most underwhelming transfer windows I can remember and as another poster said recently I get excited about results and performances not a healthy set of figures on the balance sheet. |
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Post by twyford on Aug 8, 2023 11:29:49 GMT 1
I don't go back as far as you so only caught the end of the the Buxton years but weren't we giving it a go in his earlier years? Or under Rubery? Or the Lee Clark years? Or when we broke our then transfer record to bring in Schindler (and others)? We weren't giving it a go at all during Buxtons early years . Uncle Keith was a solicitor and the rest of the board similarly placed financially . The increase in home games helped but back in them days all gate receipts were split 50 50 Thanks Chips. I started watching in the 84/85 season at the back end of his tenure when it was uninspiring second tier fare on display*. Was aware of the previous promotions he'd gained though but not the context of them. Based on some of the 'legends' in his earlier teams had surmised there was some form of ambition shown but happy to be corrected. * but a Lillis goal to beat our near neighbours in my first game has had me hooked ever since. |
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Post by rocky on Aug 8, 2023 12:04:51 GMT 1
If they are able to be pressurised into signing players based on Town fans whining on Twitter then I'm 100% sure they're in the wrong job. To be fair after being soundly beaten by what I believe will be the divisions whipping boys we are hardly going to be an attractive proposition for players. Couple that with the low wages we offer then it's always going to be a struggle. The score line suggests we were pretty much soundly beaten, but I don’t think that’s the case. We gave them 2 goals and missed a number of very clear chances. We were shit in the key moments of the game but pretty much controlled the rest of it. Eg, we worked loads of space especially down our left. That said I came away from the ground thinking this is far more likely to be a season of struggle than anything else. |
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