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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Aug 7, 2023 0:55:46 GMT 1
Listening to Warnock on EFL programme it sounded like he'd pretty much written it off and would use it to give game time to those usually on subs bench or youngsters. It wouldn't have given me any encouragement to go if I was thinking about it. Is there an obligation to enter cup competitions? Non league teams have to pay for entering FA cup, so,I’m assuming that pro clubs do too. Seems to me that there is little incentive for clubs, players or fans at our level to be involved in knockout competitions, if the manager of a club is not interested in putting out a decent team
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 7, 2023 6:29:02 GMT 1
Why we bother entering the cups I have no idea. Very comfortable away win.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 7, 2023 6:47:07 GMT 1
Listening to Warnock on EFL programme it sounded like he'd pretty much written it off and would use it to give game time to those usually on subs bench or youngsters. It wouldn't have given me any encouragement to go if I was thinking about it. Is there an obligation to enter cup competitions? Non league teams have to pay for entering FA cup, so,I’m assuming that pro clubs do too. Seems to me that there is little incentive for clubs, players or fans at our level to be involved in knockout competitions, if the manager of a club is not interested in putting out a decent team Not sure there is an obligation to enter but it would reflect poorly on the club if they decided to pull out, think its an unwritten and unspoken rule that clubs do enter all competitions no questions asked.
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Post by Floyds on Aug 7, 2023 7:41:21 GMT 1
No Ward please....no end product I assume that we will keep Ward in cotton wool, he is injury prone and is apparently the only striker Warnock likes, so no point in risking him in games like this. He may as well have been playing wrapped in cotton wool on Saturday for all the use he was. Said it before but quite how we are stuck in this situation again really does beggar belief.
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Post by royrace on Aug 7, 2023 8:43:23 GMT 1
Is there an obligation to enter cup competitions? Non league teams have to pay for entering FA cup, so,I’m assuming that pro clubs do too. Seems to me that there is little incentive for clubs, players or fans at our level to be involved in knockout competitions, if the manager of a club is not interested in putting out a decent team Not sure there is an obligation to enter but it would reflect poorly on the club if they decided to pull out, think its an unwritten and unspoken rule that clubs do enter all competitions no questions asked. It would, it also reflects really poorly that we don't have the squad depth to attempt to get past the first round, in fact it's pathetic.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 7, 2023 8:59:52 GMT 1
Is there an obligation to enter cup competitions? Non league teams have to pay for entering FA cup, so,I’m assuming that pro clubs do too. Seems to me that there is little incentive for clubs, players or fans at our level to be involved in knockout competitions, if the manager of a club is not interested in putting out a decent team Not sure there is an obligation to enter but it would reflect poorly on the club if they decided to pull out, think its an unwritten and unspoken rule that clubs do enter all competitions no questions asked. Agree. Plus there is the added sweetener of 5 000 quid prize money for the first round participants, this rises to 7 000 pounds in the second round. If 10 000 turn up for the game tomorrow (think Middlesbrough are bringing 2 000+), with gate receipts not much short of 100 000 quid, then each team will walk away with 45 000 pounds or so. So, it's probably just about worth it to retain the club's dignity and enter the competition. sportsjournal.io/carabao-efl-cup-revenue-distribution/
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Post by stevvy on Aug 7, 2023 9:37:16 GMT 1
We got just over 5k last season v Preston and they brought a reasonable number of fans, and that I think was with the same pricing as tomorrow. There's no way, even with 2k Middlesbrough fans, that we get anywhere near 10k fans in the ground tomorrow night (happy to be proven wrong but I'll be impressed if we even get 8k there)
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2023 9:42:29 GMT 1
I think we’ll play the reserves and lose by a similar score line as we did in the League Cup 20 odd years ago. Only this Boro team don’t have Emerson, Juninho and Ravenelli (not sure all played against us that night).Dalton pulled one back “one nil to England…” They did, and they were all head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. Andy "Fucking" Payton got our consolation.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 7, 2023 9:54:14 GMT 1
Fuck me, there's some rip off prices. £5.90 for basic lager just cos they've put Town in it's name 🤨
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 7, 2023 9:54:53 GMT 1
I think we’ll play the reserves and lose by a similar score line as we did in the League Cup 20 odd years ago. Only this Boro team don’t have Emerson, Juninho and Ravenelli (not sure all played against us that night).Dalton pulled one back “one nil to England…” They did, and they were all head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch. Andy "Fucking" Payton got our consolation. It was that shit, Mikkel Beck scored 🙄
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 7, 2023 9:55:26 GMT 1
Listening to Warnock on EFL programme it sounded like he'd pretty much written it off and would use it to give game time to those usually on subs bench or youngsters. It wouldn't have given me any encouragement to go if I was thinking about it. Is there an obligation to enter cup competitions? Non league teams have to pay for entering FA cup, so,I’m assuming that pro clubs do too. Seems to me that there is little incentive for clubs, players or fans at our level to be involved in knockout competitions, if the manager of a club is not interested in putting out a decent team Giving youngsters and fringe players first team experience? A chance to show what they can do?
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Post by htafcokay on Aug 7, 2023 10:07:25 GMT 1
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 10:19:33 GMT 1
Let's face it that night we were happy to just be there . Took over 5k
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 7, 2023 10:20:44 GMT 1
We got just over 5k last season v Preston and they brought a reasonable number of fans, and that I think was with the same pricing as tomorrow. There's no way, even with 2k Middlesbrough fans, that we get anywhere near 10k fans in the ground tomorrow night (happy to be proven wrong but I'll be impressed if we even get 8k there) Well, it makes you wonder, with those sort of figures, whether it's actually worth staging a game, especially where any appearance money or bonuses for the players is concerned. Both clubs would barely have come out with more than 20 000 quid from that game. Maybe, KN can be asked about this in the Q&A on Thursday (appreciate there are more pressing things atm): when does it become unprofitable to stage a game in a competition that is widely derided, anyway? Maybe he'll look at it closely and decide not to enter us next year! It would be one hell of a precedent, and might persuade Carabao to fork out more money for participating teams if KN's example is followed by other clubs. Don't know what his politics are, but he might also be an environmentalist - so he'd also be helping in protecting the planet (according to him) by folk not going to the EFL Cup games. Only having a laugh of course, but does anyone know how much it costs to stage a game like this? And whether such figures mentioned by Stevvy actually make a game unlucrative? Not entering would have to be weighed up against the possible damage to the Club's reputation, but why would it be "damage" if the competition is so widely derided?
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Aug 7, 2023 10:32:25 GMT 1
The club certainly can't complain if nobody turned up, our cup record is awful but with the manager saying we don't have a big enough squad to compete in cups & then saying he'll be making changes anyway, what is the point? I was 50-50 on going but I'm not bothering now. It will be used to get some fitness in players, which is fair enough, but it's not enough to make me rush off to a 7pm ko.
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Post by Floyds on Aug 7, 2023 10:43:17 GMT 1
Let's face it that night we were happy to just be there . Took over 5k It was the highest away attendance at that stadium at the time as well (if I recall). Good atmosphere even though we got hammered.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 7, 2023 10:47:30 GMT 1
Let's face it that night we were happy to just be there . Took over 5k Biggest away following ever at the Riverside, certainly at the time.
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Post by stevvy on Aug 7, 2023 10:50:36 GMT 1
We got just over 5k last season v Preston and they brought a reasonable number of fans, and that I think was with the same pricing as tomorrow. There's no way, even with 2k Middlesbrough fans, that we get anywhere near 10k fans in the ground tomorrow night (happy to be proven wrong but I'll be impressed if we even get 8k there) Well, it makes you wonder, with those sort of figures, whether it's actually worth staging a game, especially where any appearance money or bonuses for the players is concerned. Both clubs would barely have come out with more than 20 000 quid from that game. Maybe, KN can be asked about this in the Q&A on Thursday (appreciate there are more pressing things atm): when does it become unprofitable to stage a game in a competition that is widely derided, anyway? Maybe he'll look at it closely and decide not to enter us next year! It would be one hell of a precedent, and might persuade Carabao to fork out more money for participating teams if KN's example is followed by other clubs. Don't know what his politics are, but he might also be an environmentalist - so he'd also be helping in protecting the planet (according to him) by folk not going to the EFL Cup games. Only having a laugh of course, but does anyone know how much it costs to stage a game like this? And whether such figures mentioned by Stevvy actually make a game unlucrative? Not entering would have to be weighed up against the possible damage to the Club's reputation, but why would it be "damage" if the competition is so widely derided? I know in the whatever competition it is for L1/L2 teams, if you lose money hosting a game (not due to player bonuses etc but tiny crowds, electricity for floodlights, stewards, all that sort of stuff) they actually make up the shortfall, so that at worst you break even. Once you took everything into account (stewards, floodlights, player appearance fees etc) for the game last season v Preston, we'll have either made minimal money, or lost money (5500 there, even with everyone paying £10 (they won't have done) is only £55000, FA takes 10% of that, so 50k, we get 45% of that, maybe what, £22-23k but then we maybe make a bit on programmes and food/hospitality, but then have to pay for stewards, floodlights, player appearance fees etc) so if we made even £10k from that game (once literally everything is taken into account) I'd be shocked
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Aug 7, 2023 12:09:53 GMT 1
Well, it makes you wonder, with those sort of figures, whether it's actually worth staging a game, especially where any appearance money or bonuses for the players is concerned. Both clubs would barely have come out with more than 20 000 quid from that game. Maybe, KN can be asked about this in the Q&A on Thursday (appreciate there are more pressing things atm): when does it become unprofitable to stage a game in a competition that is widely derided, anyway? Maybe he'll look at it closely and decide not to enter us next year! It would be one hell of a precedent, and might persuade Carabao to fork out more money for participating teams if KN's example is followed by other clubs. Don't know what his politics are, but he might also be an environmentalist - so he'd also be helping in protecting the planet (according to him) by folk not going to the EFL Cup games. Only having a laugh of course, but does anyone know how much it costs to stage a game like this? And whether such figures mentioned by Stevvy actually make a game unlucrative? Not entering would have to be weighed up against the possible damage to the Club's reputation, but why would it be "damage" if the competition is so widely derided? I know in the whatever competition it is for L1/L2 teams, if you lose money hosting a game (not due to player bonuses etc but tiny crowds, electricity for floodlights, stewards, all that sort of stuff) they actually make up the shortfall, so that at worst you break even. Once you took everything into account (stewards, floodlights, player appearance fees etc) for the game last season v Preston, we'll have either made minimal money, or lost money (5500 there, even with everyone paying £10 (they won't have done) is only £55000, FA takes 10% of that, so 50k, we get 45% of that, maybe what, £22-23k but then we maybe make a bit on programmes and food/hospitality, but then have to pay for stewards, floodlights, player appearance fees etc) so if we made even £10k from that game (once literally everything is taken into account) I'd be shocked Well, hopefully there'll be more than that v Middlesbrough. It doesn't make it a particularly attractive tournament when the Premiership's top 6 have the advantage of not having to compete until the 3rd round. Why not have them join in from the beginning (even if they will play their second string teams)? On the other hand, who wants to go to a game where one team is not fielding their strongest side? (Went on one of the Boro fan boards and) I see that some Boro fans are even entertaining the idea to buy tickets for the game and then not bother turning up (tenner to gain more priority points for away games), so it'll be interesting to see how many Boro fans even turn up! You'd think there'd be someone about in the FL who could come up with an idea to make the tournament more attractive, but evidently not. What I said about KN not entering us for next year's tournament was obviously said in jest, but I wonder how many Town fans actually would be bothered if he did just that?
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Post by duncfost01 on Aug 7, 2023 12:15:29 GMT 1
If we aren’t going to play a team that has a chance of winning what’s the point ?
Started under Wagner and has continued ever since. We aren’t the only club that does it though. For us also we literally don’t have any fringe players.
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Post by royrace on Aug 7, 2023 12:26:23 GMT 1
Fuck me, there's some rip off prices. £5.90 for basic lager just cos they've put Town in it's name 🤨 Fortunately it's a horrible lager and nowhere near as nice as the Amstel! I'm trying to remember how much Amstel was last season but I'm sure it wasn't £5, £4.50 maybe? Good luck trying to get more people to use the facilities by adding a kids meal deal and putting all the prices up! A great way to get people to do the opposite! I was looking forward to some catering improvements this season but all we've got so far is a price rise, similar theme to the transfer window really They've absolutely no right calling that coffee either, jeez you can get proper coffee next door for a similar price. The worst £2.70 you could ever spend.
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Post by runner76 on Aug 7, 2023 12:26:32 GMT 1
If we aren’t going to play a team that has a chance of winning what’s the point ? Started under Wagner and has continued ever since. We aren’t the only club that does it though. For us also we literally don’t have any fringe players. Too right. It is a competitive competition, at the very start of the season so we are not having to wrap players in cotton wool or worry about our league position (yet) This needs to have full attention of the players and management and they need to play to win, otherwise why turn up at all.....
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Post by efesodje23 on Aug 7, 2023 12:42:25 GMT 1
I'm actually more excited to see the youngsters and B team players (some for the first time I'd imagine) rather than seeing the ''usual'' players
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Post by mosher on Aug 7, 2023 12:42:35 GMT 1
Fuck me, there's some rip off prices. £5.90 for basic lager just cos they've put Town in it's name 🤨 I am SO glad we juice and fuel up before we get to the ground. Used to love a nice pie and pint in the concourse when the Mac first opened, but the food quality and service steadily degenerated to the point we stayed in the Peacock til 2.45 most games
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Aug 7, 2023 13:07:14 GMT 1
Why we bother entering the cups I have no idea. Very comfortable away win. Keep up that positive attitude Dunc 👏
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Post by detox on Aug 7, 2023 13:09:54 GMT 1
Let's face it that night we were happy to just be there . Took over 5k I remember coming out of the ground after the game, all the Boro' fans were giving it big of course...I said to one of them 'ah but at least we've got English players.....!...He turned round at me and said..aye but you're shite...!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 7, 2023 13:21:30 GMT 1
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Post by tepidterrier on Aug 7, 2023 13:27:44 GMT 1
Going off the comments about it being a chance for youngsters to prove themselves, I reckon it'll be
4-3-3
Maxwell Spencer Helik Ayina Nakayama
Austerfield High Jackson
Jones Hudlin Headley
The bench could throw up a few new names and high squad numbers
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Post by townarentbest on Aug 7, 2023 14:12:48 GMT 1
Cup games are never on the red button ...until next season, when *EVERY* League Cup game is televised.
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Post by basil on Aug 7, 2023 14:24:47 GMT 1
Extra time or straight to penalties?
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