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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 4, 2024 12:53:28 GMT 1
They spent 7.9 million on wright and 6.1 on simms what they do is reinvest the majority of fees they receive for sold players , something our club as failed terribly in over the years. Exactly, and if they only paid 6.1m for Simms there's no way they're paying even half that for Rudoni. Good we keep him then |
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Post by King Neil on Jun 4, 2024 13:04:03 GMT 1
It's about time we started playing hard ball over transfers for a change..posh seem to get whopping fee's for their players yet we just seem to accept peanuts and let others walk allover us Who the fcuk are Coventry anyway...they haven't a pot to piss in and their owners wealth is arguably lower than Dean hoyle,s If Coventry even pay 7m I will eat my baseball cap "we just seem to accept peanuts and let others walk all over us" Is this really true though? Aside from O'Brien and Toffolo (one of whom had a release clause), I can't think of any players that we've sold below a level that we'd be happy with. In the Hoyle era especially we got some great deals as a selling club. The difference now is we are not a selling club..kev has spoken about improving the squad not depleting it Personally I think he stays..his agent and him may have a little grumble but hey ho your under contract and you are free to leave if anyone is willing to pay our valuation of you.. |
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jun 4, 2024 13:17:43 GMT 1
Best thing about Rudoni is his Jafaican accent 👍
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 4, 2024 13:42:41 GMT 1
If I was him I'd think. A side that finished 9th in the Division above and played in the FA Cup semi final want to pay £2m for me - so Huddersfield doubled there money on me in two years Yeah it's shit we went down but I played my best when I went out, came third in the player of the season vote, have the chance to to step in my football career and the chance to earn more money as well If other players had tried as hard as Rudoni we'd have 22 £2m footballers being chased by top end Championship sides I hope he stays but wouldn't begrudge him for wanting to stay in the Championship It wasn't good enough though. It's times like last season when you need your best players to step up and Rudoni, Thomas, Nicholls etc were poor for most of it. As someone said a while ago if Rudoni hadn't fluffed some gilt edged chances in numerous games last season we'd probably have stayed up. So if we're digging our heels in over the fee then good for us because he could be a key player for us next season if he stays. Coming third in a player of the season when you're relegated is hardly something to put on your CV. No issue on getting the biggest fee - we should try to and I agree previously we've not done great deals (Grant aside) Whatever you or I think it would appear Coventry rate Rudoni and want him in their Championship side so he must have done enough to impress them. My issue with loyalty in football is that it's never a two way thing. If a player goes off form but sees out there contract they are called mercenary etc. If a player performs well enough to get a move to a club in a higher league they're also called mercenaries They really can't win |
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Post by Big Ern on Jun 4, 2024 14:22:27 GMT 1
They spent 7.9 million on wright and 6.1 on simms what they do is reinvest the majority of fees they receive for sold players , something our club as failed terribly in over the years. Exactly, and if they only paid 6.1m for Simms there's no way they're paying even half that for Rudoni. Rudoni was part of the reason we dropped to league 1 so if he thinks he is Billy big bollocks and deserves to play championship football then he should have done more last season. |
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Post by Orinoco on Jun 4, 2024 14:48:39 GMT 1
No way is Rudoni worth more than Thomas, as we know Sorba needs to sort his attitude, he had great stats last season in a crap team, Rudoni needs a lot of improvements to have a 10 million price tag!!, I will have a pint of whatever Mr Nagle is on!!. If he gets 10 mill for him Kev can buy the stadium and rename it Rudonis Ranch, just like the Denis Law floodlights at Leeds Rd!!
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Post by iffyslostlens on Jun 4, 2024 15:18:08 GMT 1
I think putting this price on is our way of letting other clubs and agents know we won't be pushed around if we want to keep a player, obviously we will have a price in mind that's significantly lower than £10 mil but its a starting point for a negotiation
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 4, 2024 15:41:12 GMT 1
It wasn't good enough though. It's times like last season when you need your best players to step up and Rudoni, Thomas, Nicholls etc were poor for most of it. As someone said a while ago if Rudoni hadn't fluffed some gilt edged chances in numerous games last season we'd probably have stayed up. So if we're digging our heels in over the fee then good for us because he could be a key player for us next season if he stays. Coming third in a player of the season when you're relegated is hardly something to put on your CV. No issue on getting the biggest fee - we should try to and I agree previously we've not done great deals (Grant aside) Whatever you or I think it would appear Coventry rate Rudoni and want him in their Championship side so he must have done enough to impress them. My issue with loyalty in football is that it's never a two way thing. If a player goes off form but sees out there contract they are called mercenary etc. If a player performs well enough to get a move to a club in a higher league they're also called mercenaries They really can't win They are life’s winners bullshit they can’t win. They get paid a bloody fortune to play a sport at a level we could only dream of and at this level most finish up multi millionaires , let’s not pretend they are hard done too. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 4, 2024 15:45:11 GMT 1
No way is Rudoni worth more than Thomas, as we know Sorba needs to sort his attitude, he had great stats last season in a crap team, Rudoni needs a lot of improvements to have a 10 million price tag!!, I will have a pint of whatever Mr Nagle is on!!. If he gets 10 mill for him Kev can buy the stadium and rename it Rudonis Ranch, just like the Denis Law floodlights at Leeds Rd!! Disagree would let ST go for peanuts, he may play PL football but many before have and are not even close to being good enough for that level. yet Rudoni has a great chance of eventually becoming a consistent PL player. Plus ST gives the vibe he’s a complete wrecking tool of team sport. |
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Post by bullterrier on Jun 4, 2024 17:49:55 GMT 1
Probably one of the worst players iv seen play for town glad to see the back of him to be honest we need fast strong aggressive midfielder who can score a few goals , rudoni has been relegated with his last 2 clubs and he’s been pivotal in that as he’s not good enough
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Post by Dan on Jun 4, 2024 17:55:01 GMT 1
Probably one of the worst players iv seen play for town glad to see the back of him to be honest we need fast strong aggressive midfielder who can score a few goals , rudoni has been relegated with his last 2 clubs and he’s been pivotal in that as he’s not good enough Is he mate, yeah? |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 4, 2024 17:59:00 GMT 1
Probably one of the worst players iv seen play for town glad to see the back of him to be honest we need fast strong aggressive midfielder who can score a few goals , rudoni has been relegated with his last 2 clubs and he’s been pivotal in that as he’s not good enough  |
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Post by BlueValour on Jun 4, 2024 18:01:02 GMT 1
Probably one of the worst players iv seen play for town ... Not seen Town play very much then? |
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Post by runner76 on Jun 4, 2024 18:09:06 GMT 1
Would really like to see how he can develop with a decent man-manager and coach, which we hope Duff will be!..................
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Post by rockwall on Jun 4, 2024 18:38:26 GMT 1
It's about time we started playing hard ball over transfers for a change..posh seem to get whopping fee's for their players yet we just seem to accept peanuts and let others walk allover us Who the fcuk are Coventry anyway...they haven't a pot to piss in and their owners wealth is arguably lower than Dean hoyle,s If Coventry even pay 7m I will eat my baseball cap "we just seem to accept peanuts and let others walk all over us" Is this really true though? Aside from O'Brien and Toffolo (one of whom had a release clause), I can't think of any players that we've sold below a level that we'd be happy with. In the Hoyle era especially we got some great deals as a selling club. Conor Coady Jack Hunt Nahki Wells Alex Smithies Oliver Norwood All went for low/nothing prices when worth way more at the time. |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 4, 2024 18:40:06 GMT 1
Probably one of the worst players iv seen play for town glad to see the back of him to be honest we need fast strong aggressive midfielder who can score a few goals , rudoni has been relegated with his last 2 clubs and he’s been pivotal in that as he’s not good enough Artys joke corner is in another sub board pal 👍🏾 |
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Post by wildhogg on Jun 5, 2024 8:31:26 GMT 1
For me he's a currently young player with promise, no more than that. At the moment he's a player who barely delivers any of the things he's paid to deliver; poor decision-making and poor shooting, which are pretty enormous issues for a creative attacking player. His woeful scuffed shots were one of the most prominent features of last season. However, as others have said, his development will have been hampered by the constant changes of manager.
I don't think he's earned the right to be a Championship player. If he stays and begins to flourish, great for us and him. If he goes for a decent fee to a Championship club; and goes on to flourish there instead, then great for us and him. Based upon what he's contributed over his two seasons with us, I don't think any of us should be too upset if he does go. On the other hand, based solely upon some of the promise he's shown, I don't think any of us should be too upset if he stays.
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Post by Terriersmad on Jun 5, 2024 8:43:10 GMT 1
"we just seem to accept peanuts and let others walk all over us" Is this really true though? Aside from O'Brien and Toffolo (one of whom had a release clause), I can't think of any players that we've sold below a level that we'd be happy with. In the Hoyle era especially we got some great deals as a selling club. Conor Coady Jack Hunt Nahki Wells Alex Smithies Oliver Norwood All went for low/nothing prices when worth way more at the time. Rubbish. Their respective fees were: Coady - £2m. Combination of release clause and not being at the forefront of Powell's first-team plans. Hunt - £2m. In the market of over a decade ago, for a full-back. Wells - £5m. Wouldn't sign a contract, had just one year left, and crucially deemed not good enough for the top flight. Smithies - £2m. I think we should never have sold him, but we did, and although we didn't adequately replace him for a season we got a fair price for a Championship goalkeeper. Norwood - £1m. And nobody batted an eye. A lot of people thought that was pretty good going. Reading then duly sold him on for a similar fee and many of their fans had a similar view. Transfer fees have exploded in recent years which distorts the picture of the above sales. Were we to sell Wells now we'd be looking at £7m maybe. Norwood's value would be higher, in part because the game itself has changed to suit him more, but at the time he was regarded as a good technical player but lightweight and not what was needed. We effectively replaced him with Coady - technically good, but physically so much stronger. A year after buying Coady for £400,000, he went for five times that when he wasn't regarded as a key player. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 5, 2024 8:45:26 GMT 1
Bacuna to Coventry for £500k is a rumour doing the rounds. If that's true, I can't see them paying twenty times that amount for Rudoni -  |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2024 9:05:53 GMT 1
Conor Coady Jack Hunt Nahki Wells Alex Smithies Oliver Norwood All went for low/nothing prices when worth way more at the time. Rubbish. Their respective fees were: Coady - £2m. Combination of release clause and not being at the forefront of Powell's first-team plans. Hunt - £2m. In the market of over a decade ago, for a full-back. Wells - £5m. Wouldn't sign a contract, had just one year left, and crucially deemed not good enough for the top flight. Smithies - £2m. I think we should never have sold him, but we did, and although we didn't adequately replace him for a season we got a fair price for a Championship goalkeeper. Norwood - £1m. And nobody batted an eye. A lot of people thought that was pretty good going. Reading then duly sold him on for a similar fee and many of their fans had a similar view. Transfer fees have exploded in recent years which distorts the picture of the above sales. Were we to sell Wells now we'd be looking at £7m maybe. Norwood's value would be higher, in part because the game itself has changed to suit him more, but at the time he was regarded as a good technical player but lightweight and not what was needed. We effectively replaced him with Coady - technically good, but physically so much stronger. A year after buying Coady for £400,000, he went for five times that when he wasn't regarded as a key player. Agree with a lot of that but how was Coady not a key player? He had one season here and played 45 league games. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 5, 2024 9:06:09 GMT 1
Bacuna to Coventry for £500k is a rumour doing the rounds. If that's true, I can't see them paying twenty times that amount for Rudoni - Bacuna is far more likely to contribute in the final 3rd than Rudoni. In his two championship seasons with us he did far more than in Rudoni's two seasons here and he hardly played in attacking midfield. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jun 5, 2024 9:09:24 GMT 1
Rubbish. Their respective fees were: Coady - £2m. Combination of release clause and not being at the forefront of Powell's first-team plans. Hunt - £2m. In the market of over a decade ago, for a full-back. Wells - £5m. Wouldn't sign a contract, had just one year left, and crucially deemed not good enough for the top flight. Smithies - £2m. I think we should never have sold him, but we did, and although we didn't adequately replace him for a season we got a fair price for a Championship goalkeeper. Norwood - £1m. And nobody batted an eye. A lot of people thought that was pretty good going. Reading then duly sold him on for a similar fee and many of their fans had a similar view. Transfer fees have exploded in recent years which distorts the picture of the above sales. Were we to sell Wells now we'd be looking at £7m maybe. Norwood's value would be higher, in part because the game itself has changed to suit him more, but at the time he was regarded as a good technical player but lightweight and not what was needed. We effectively replaced him with Coady - technically good, but physically so much stronger. A year after buying Coady for £400,000, he went for five times that when he wasn't regarded as a key player. Agree with a lot of that but how was Coady not a key player? He had one season here and played 45 league games. He had done. The issue Coady faced was that Whitehead had just been brought in and Powell had told him his playing time would be reduced as a result. So he had been key in 2014/15, but wasn't intended to be in 2015/16 under Powell. Which is a pity - I'd have loved to have seen Coady under Wagner. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 5, 2024 9:25:53 GMT 1
Bacuna to Coventry for £500k is a rumour doing the rounds. If that's true, I can't see them paying twenty times that amount for Rudoni - Could be a bit of PR Coventry are playing to get us to drop the price. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 5, 2024 9:35:40 GMT 1
Bacuna to Coventry for £500k is a rumour doing the rounds. If that's true, I can't see them paying twenty times that amount for Rudoni - Could be a bit of PR Coventry are playing to get us to drop the price. There's no way we're asking for £10m for Rudoni, he's done nothing to suggest we'd get even a 3rd of that in his two seasons here. Yes he's still fairly young and can improve, yes we've seen some bright games from him, but £10m??? No way! It's just Nixon getting clicks, nothing more. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2024 9:58:49 GMT 1
Agree with a lot of that but how was Coady not a key player? He had one season here and played 45 league games. He had done. The issue Coady faced was that Whitehead had just been brought in and Powell had told him his playing time would be reduced as a result. So he had been key in 2014/15, but wasn't intended to be in 2015/16 under Powell. Which is a pity - I'd have loved to have seen Coady under Wagner. Hoyle deciding he wouldn't play because we'd signed Whitehead and Huws was something said at a Q&A as justification for selling. Whether Powell ever said that is another matter. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. |
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Post by Terriersmad on Jun 5, 2024 10:13:30 GMT 1
He had done. The issue Coady faced was that Whitehead had just been brought in and Powell had told him his playing time would be reduced as a result. So he had been key in 2014/15, but wasn't intended to be in 2015/16 under Powell. Which is a pity - I'd have loved to have seen Coady under Wagner. Hoyle deciding he wouldn't play because we'd signed Whitehead and Huws was something said at a Q&A as justification for selling. Whether Powell ever said that is another matter. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. At this distance, it doesn't. Main thing is we got five times what we paid for him a year down the line! |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2024 10:19:38 GMT 1
Hoyle deciding he wouldn't play because we'd signed Whitehead and Huws was something said at a Q&A as justification for selling. Whether Powell ever said that is another matter. Anyway, it doesn't really matter. At this distance, it doesn't. Main thing is we got five times what we paid for him a year down the line! Agreed, its only questioned with the hindsight of an inflated market since and because he went on to have a reasonable top flight career and play for England a few times. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 5, 2024 10:20:13 GMT 1
Going off on a tangent here, but we always got decent money for players (sometimes great money) that had value. We got less for Toffolo and O'Brien than we'd have wanted - probably because Toff was running his contract down, O'Brien didn't have that many suitors and Hoyle was looking to get out.
To say we always had our pants pulled down, or similar, is childish and nonsensical. Our 'trading game' got us to the Premier League!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 5, 2024 10:24:04 GMT 1
If I was him I'd think. A side that finished 9th in the Division above and played in the FA Cup semi final want to pay £2m for me - so Huddersfield doubled there money on me in two years Yeah it's shit we went down but I played my best when I went out, came third in the player of the season vote, have the chance to to step in my football career and the chance to earn more money as well If other players had tried as hard as Rudoni we'd have 22 £2m footballers being chased by top end Championship sides I hope he stays but wouldn't begrudge him for wanting to stay in the Championship As someone said a while ago if Rudoni hadn't fluffed some gilt edged chances in numerous games last season we'd probably have stayed up. I said that, probably not the only one mind. Relegation is not something that has happened to a blameless Rudoni, it's something that he is culpable for. Far less than others, because he played well at times, but his woeful finishing at times cost us enough points to get us over the line. We bought him as a goal scoring attacking midfielder and he's been below expectations in that regard. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 5, 2024 10:48:06 GMT 1
I think that a lot of people seem to have ignored the state of the squad.
I have mentioned previously that playing football is so much easier when you have quality players around you. It also helps that the players you do have don't hide from the ball behind opposition players.
If you are comparing Rudoni with the likes of Wells, Norwood, Hunt and Coady etc. You have to consider the players that they have around them.
I have also mentioned that because of the transfer policy we have been following we have been signing lower league punts with no one with the knowledge to help and guide them.
In an extreme case imagine Rudoni playing alongside Mooy.
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