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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2023 15:56:37 GMT 1
Where’s the ‘Rudoni was crap last season’ narrative come from? Total myth. His finishing was, until late in the season, but everything else he was POTS. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 10, 2023 16:57:05 GMT 1
Hoggy was awful again yesterday - steadily becoming a huge liability for us and a massive reason why we can't play through the midfield - but he's a club legend so lets ignore all that. You miss two (2) important points.... 1 - The comment was about LAST season. 2 - If you must reference yesterday, Hogg was no "liability", you will be eating humble lie long before the season is out.I But well done otherwise young man and thank you for trying to contribute. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Dec 10, 2023 17:38:39 GMT 1
Hoggy was awful again yesterday - steadily becoming a huge liability for us and a massive reason why we can't play through the midfield - but he's a club legend so lets ignore all that. You miss two (2) important points.... 1 - The comment was about LAST season. 2 - If you must reference yesterday, Hogg was no "liability", you will be eating humble lie long before the season is out.I But well done otherwise young man and thank you for trying to contribute. Yes, I know the comment was about last season - he was poor last season. The fact that we don't have a better footballer than Hogg in such a pivotal position is a massive problem and a big reason for us struggling most seasons. I don't think I'd drop him as we don't have anyone better to replace in - and therein lies our problem. All IMHO of course, so no need to get patronising - it seems like some folks take it personally whenever Hogg gets criticised. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 10, 2023 17:52:43 GMT 1
Where’s the ‘Rudoni was crap last season’ narrative come from? Total myth. He was so crap that he played every single game last season... |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 10, 2023 17:58:13 GMT 1
Hoggy was awful again yesterday - steadily becoming a huge liability for us and a massive reason why we can't play through the midfield - but he's a club legend so lets ignore all that. I thought he was superb during the first half, it went pear shaped in the 2nd but so did everybody else bar Kas |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 10, 2023 18:00:24 GMT 1
Prediction of Ben Wiles' upcoming performance against Preston on Tuesday, based on every single performance so far being about the same. He'll not really affect the game, but show some flashes of clever play and bursts of energy in the first half. No noticeable moments at all in the second half and he'll fade into total anonymity by the hour mark before getting subbed off for Edmonds-Green or Diarra. But would we take him off to bring on a natural right wing back. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 11, 2023 16:45:04 GMT 1
Hoggy was awful again yesterday - steadily becoming a huge liability for us and a massive reason why we can't play through the midfield - but he's a club legend so lets ignore all that. I thought he was superb during the first half, it went pear shaped in the 2nd but so did everybody else bar Kas Yep. Hoggy was outstanding in the first half. Dogshit in the second. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 11, 2023 17:11:50 GMT 1
I watched wiles a bit more closely on Saturday annd even when he wasn’t given the ball he was picking up some really decent positions in pockets of space around the area. The struggle will always be that through ball to our forward players as we don’t have the defenders or midfielders with passing ability, who normally opt to go wide instead of intricate forward passes.
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Post by dezzly on Dec 11, 2023 19:38:38 GMT 1
Does lots of little neat and tidy bits that don’t get noticed if your not looking for them. Nowhere near fully fit and don’t think he has been from word go tbf. Making wrong decisions though when getting into any decent positions.hopefully improves with fitness. What are the lots of little neat and tidy bits? Think he just picks up some good positions and plays some decent give and goes etc etc.not saying it’s amazing stuff just like I said neat and tidy.problem is don’t think he’s been fully fit at all and also we don’t get the ball into those areas anywhere near enough. That all said when he’s got in some good shooting positions he’s often made the wrong decision. Think if could find him more often in behind opposition midfield he could improve/contribute more. Here’s hoping. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 11, 2023 22:46:58 GMT 1
Thought he was garbage again yesterday. Literally offers nothing and I still don't know if he is a more defensively or offensively minded CM... That being said, Rudoni was awful last season and has hit form this. On paper I would've said Wiles is the type of player we should be signing - young, succeeded in League 1 and doesn't break the bank. Hope he comes good but I don't think at this stage offers us anything in our relegation battle. We signed him on the back of a serious injury and it seems like he is yet to find the form he showed prior to that. The question is whether that injury has permanently made him poorer or whether it is just a case of gradually getting back to where he was This is where I am on Wiles. It seems likely that the injury is what's caused him to be nowhere near the player we thought we were getting. Maybe this is a temporary thing and he'll be the player Burnley wanted to sign once he's fully recovered. Or maybe this is a permanent thing and he'll leave us at the end of his contract and either retire early or spend the rest of his career in and around Lg2. Comparisons with Rudi seem daft. He divided opinion last season and he was certainly raw, but his work rate and intelligence were evident. His potential seemed clear even though it wasn't always coming off for him. Maybe I'm missing his best performances but I'm just not seeing that from Ben Wiles at all. The comparison with Scott High is probably a more accurate one. There may be some tidy bits to his game that go unnoticed but there's nothing I can see where I can say "he's really good at X". I've not written him off yet, and with his injury I do have some sympathy but my gut feeling is that this is a signing that is more likely to fail than succeed. |
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Post by specialun on Dec 12, 2023 1:26:48 GMT 1
Hoggy was awful again yesterday - steadily becoming a huge liability for us and a massive reason why we can't play through the midfield - but he's a club legend so lets ignore all that. I thought he was superb during the first half, it went pear shaped in the 2nd but so did everybody else bar Kas Agree - he ran the game second part of first half, was an unusual role. Whole lot off the pace second half Re Wiles - let’s give him a chance. He’s hardly set the world on fire but not clearly not back to sharpness post a long lay off, not helped by Warnock leaving shortly after he joined, few injuries etc. I think with extra match sharpness he’ll do fine, he just looks a yard off it for me but his running is intelligent, he can link the game well and he’s positive thinking we don’t have many of them. |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 12, 2023 8:14:05 GMT 1
I thought he was superb during the first half, it went pear shaped in the 2nd but so did everybody else bar Kas Yep. Hoggy was outstanding in the first half. Dogshit in the second. We have to expect this a bit now though surely....... hes 35. The sad thing is we dont have anyone any better to take his place on a consistent basis - kasumu injury prone, jury out on wiles after a sluggish start, rudoni flits in and out still, high and REG not good enough and not seen enough of austerfield. Most teams in this league have a decent no.6 or 8 - winks, ampadu, luongo, james, howson, fo |
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Post by shawsie on Dec 12, 2023 8:16:55 GMT 1
I thought he was superb during the first half, it went pear shaped in the 2nd but so did everybody else bar Kas Yep. Hoggy was outstanding in the first half. Dogshit in the second. We have to expect this a bit now though surely....... hes 35. The sad thing is we dont have anyone any better to take his place on a consistent basis - kasumu injury prone, jury out on wiles after a sluggish start, rudoni flits in and out still, high and REG not good enough and not seen enough of austerfield. Most decent teams in this league have a good no.6 or 8 - winks, ampadu, luongo, james, howson, bellingham to name half a dozen.......as much as we need a striker we are also desperately short of quality in midfield hence our possession is so low week in week out. |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 12, 2023 9:54:57 GMT 1
Yep. Hoggy was outstanding in the first half. Dogshit in the second. We have to expect this a bit now though surely....... hes 35. The sad thing is we dont have anyone any better to take his place on a consistent basis - kasumu injury prone, jury out on wiles after a sluggish start, rudoni flits in and out still, high and REG not good enough and not seen enough of austerfield. Most decent teams in this league have a good no.6 or 8 - winks, ampadu, luongo, james, howson, bellingham to name half a dozen.......as much as we need a striker we are also desperately short of quality in midfield hence our possession is so low week in week out. True. Also, not holding the ball and dictating play means more tired legs and injuries through chasing the game …… |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Dec 12, 2023 12:09:43 GMT 1
It’s frustrating because at times he plays some really good stuff but possibly the players around him let him down as well 🤷🏻♂️
I don’t think Warnock helped him at the start when in one of his press conferences he listed about 3 players who were his initial targets. The only message that sends to Ben is that I don’t really rate you and didn’t want you.
Maybe he is a confidence player and is also coming back from an injury.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 12, 2023 13:35:40 GMT 1
He’s been pretty shit so far, seems to offer very little. Even when watching him closely he doesn’t really do much. Scott High would be getting slaughtered on here if he was was with us and playing so poorly. Rudoni was crap last season, but at least he was getting heavily involved in play. Wiles is just a passenger at the moment. Hopefully he can turn it around wiles did ok yesterday especially off the ballGiven that footballers generally are only effective when in possession of the ball, the implication that Wiles "does a lot of good work off the ball" is a bit alarming. Damning with faint praise. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 12, 2023 13:55:17 GMT 1
wiles did ok yesterday especially off the ballGiven that footballers generally are only effective when in possession of the ball, the implication that Wiles "does a lot of good work off the ball" is a bit alarming. Damning with faint praise. I'm not sure that's fair. There's loads of good work you can do off the ball. Pressing hard to force a mistake & win it back - or at least disrupt an attack sufficiently to get teammates into position to defend, etc. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 12, 2023 13:57:25 GMT 1
wiles did ok yesterday especially off the ballGiven that footballers generally are only effective when in possession of the ball, the implication that Wiles "does a lot of good work off the ball" is a bit alarming. Damning with faint praise. Most of ours don't do good work with the ball or off it 🤷 |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 12, 2023 14:39:19 GMT 1
I feel for Wiles. big injury last year. Niggly one this year. Played under two managers so far. Several systems. Not a settled XI. I'm confident he'll come good.
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Post by space hardware on Dec 12, 2023 14:46:53 GMT 1
Given that footballers generally are only effective when in possession of the ball, the implication that Wiles "does a lot of good work off the ball" is a bit alarming. Damning with faint praise. I'm not sure that's fair. There's loads of good work you can do off the ball. Pressing hard to force a mistake & win it back - or at least disrupt an attack sufficiently to get teammates into position to defend, etc. Oh yeah, agreed. But I haven't seen him do a great deal of any of those things either. |
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Post by rickrast on Dec 12, 2023 14:51:57 GMT 1
Our team needs more wiles.....
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 12, 2023 15:39:25 GMT 1
He’s due a match winning performance, maybe it’s tonight
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 22:31:34 GMT 1
anonymous yet again
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Post by Larry David on Dec 12, 2023 22:41:16 GMT 1
Alex Pritchard vibes. Crappy anonymous and went missing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2023 22:53:41 GMT 1
Goodness me.. knackered after 60 mins again and makes a tired tackle to give away the pen...
Still doesn't look like scoring or making an assist. Doesn't get in those pockets like Rudoni.
Very unimpressed yet again despite the majority pulling a blinder tonight.
With Hogg likely out for a while we need far, far better from Wiles.
It's not looking good, i'll say it again I think his legs have gone
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Dec 29, 2023 23:00:58 GMT 1
Sounds too optimistic. But, Wiles needs a goal or 2. Needs to find a groove and that spring in his step, and we will see a much better version of him. Similar to that of Jack Rudoni.
He's technically a sound player. You can tell he's probably rushed back from an injury/still not fully recovered. There's definitely a good solid champ player in there.
As much as he hasn't been at his best, and has been pretty poor. I don't think he's a player we want to continue get on his back. He's void of confidence, thats clear. So, if we can give him encouragement. Who knows what might happen...
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 29, 2023 23:01:34 GMT 1
Goodness me.. knackered after 60 mins again and makes a tired tackle to give away the pen... Still doesn't look like scoring or making an assist. Doesn't get in those pockets like Rudoni. Very unimpressed yet again despite the majority pulling a blinder tonight. With Hogg likely out for a while we need far, far better from Wiles. It's not looking good, i'll say it again I think his legs have gone I'm clinging to the possibility of him recovering from his ankle injury and becoming the player that Burnley were interested in paying £4m for. At the moment though, I don't think he's good enough for the division below, let alone this one. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 29, 2023 23:03:42 GMT 1
Sounds too optimistic. But, Wiles needs a goal or 2. Needs to find a groove and that spring in his step, and we will see a much better version of him. Similar to that of Jack Rudoni. He's technically a sound player. You can tell he's probably rushed back from an injury/still not fully recovered. There's definitely a good solid champ player in there. As much as he hasn't been at his best, and has been pretty poor. I don't think he's a player we want to continue get on his back. He's void of confidence, thats clear. So, if we can give him encouragement. Who knows what might happen... Yep. Wouldn't get on his back at all. He's giving it everything he's got and you can't ask for more than that. Whether he'll be better once he's fully recovered from his injury or this is the new normal though, I don't know. ETA: Comparisons with Pritchard are ridiculous. Can't fault Wiles' commitment. Suggesting that the guy who plays through the pain barrier is like the guy who downed tools for most of his time here and refused to play due to a spurious "cyst" is absurd. |
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Post by harris on Dec 29, 2023 23:34:09 GMT 1
Goodness me.. knackered after 60 mins again and makes a tired tackle to give away the pen... Still doesn't look like scoring or making an assist. Doesn't get in those pockets like Rudoni. Very unimpressed yet again despite the majority pulling a blinder tonight. With Hogg likely out for a while we need far, far better from Wiles. It's not looking good, i'll say it again I think his legs have gone I thought it was another good performance from him tonight - funny how opinions differ. If you watch the 2 minutes prior to our goal you’ll see he won the ball back numerous times and started the move off. Most teams have subs ready at 60 minutes to help out but we don’t have that, no wonder he’s knackered. Look at them, bringing on Riley McGree for the last 20 who is a prem level midfielder. That’s what we’re up against. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Dec 29, 2023 23:43:16 GMT 1
I have just put on another thread that Wiles is a funny one, he looks unfit but I'm wondering if he passed his medical because he is physically fit but that he's been mentally scarred by his horrible injury?
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