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Post by DuncShearer* on Jan 7, 2024 17:37:55 GMT 1
Confident he will improve as the whole team improve after much needed investment He was woeful again today so slow in thought and movement gave the ball away on the wing 1st half and instead of battling just gave up thats unforgivable in my book. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jan 7, 2024 17:38:33 GMT 1
Needs a good pre-season to get fit and to have options and runners ahead of him.
Reminds me a bit of Arfield - we just haven’t got a squad or system to get the best out of him at the minute.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 7, 2024 17:38:57 GMT 1
I think it’s time to talk about Ben Wiles. He’s looked unfit, slow, weak, easily nullified, and a bit short on ideas of what to do on the ball. For some time now he’s looked a level below the others in a fitness sense. It’s obvious that there’s a player in there, because he’s often occupying the right positions on the pitch, and picking the ball up in what could and should be dangerous positions. It’s worth saying that I’ve suspected something is up with him for a while, and it was again quite noticeable this afternoon. Is he carrying an injury, shot of confidence, simply playing in a bad team, or is it a mix of all three? I was pleased when we signed him, but I’m fairly disappointed with his performances so far. I know it can’t be easy to come back from a serious injury into a really poor team, but I had hoped for a bit more. Anyone think the same, or have any insight that might explain his poor performances? A very fair assessment imho.....ive seen him for rotherham and its chalk and cheese to the immobile sloppy and at times looking disinterested player we have seen. So so poor today both on and off the ball. Dont think hes been helped by the manager or poor team hes come into which has made it tough - but it doesnt excuse more recent performances where the term anonymous is being kind. Huge improvement needed - early matos signs were promising. That will make it tough for him to play without it given hogg and kasumu will come back soon. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Jan 7, 2024 17:43:12 GMT 1
Confident he will improve as the whole team improve after much needed investment He was woeful again today so slow in thought and movement gave the ball away on the wing 1st half and instead of battling just gave up thats unforgivable in my book. My point being he will improve, agree he wasn’t good today |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 17:44:18 GMT 1
Needs a good pre-season to get fit and to have options and runners ahead of him. Reminds me a bit of Arfield - we just haven’t got a squad or system to get the best out of him at the minute. Needs a pre-season? He had that at Rotherham, he also started their first two matches of the season. If he's not match fit over halfway through the season then when will he be? He's an absolute liability and looks miles off it. |
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 7, 2024 17:45:46 GMT 1
His last 2 games before today he looked like he was improving. Today he was probably our worst player.
Looks really slow in both thought and action.
Looks shot of confidence and as a result his mentality seems poor. Gives up when he looses possession, rather than batting like a midfield needs to. Contrast to Matos who’s full of confidence and battled for everything.
It looks like confidence and mentality are the 2 big problem
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jan 7, 2024 17:47:06 GMT 1
Not someone you would back in a 50/50 which is a worry for a centre mid.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 7, 2024 17:52:17 GMT 1
Had 2 great games previously.
Only watched on iPlayer so you can’t see all the running away from the ball.
Chicken has given him a reasonable rating so can’t have been that bad surely.
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Post by davethesprout on Jan 7, 2024 18:03:51 GMT 1
Had 2 great games previously. Only watched on iPlayer so you can’t see all the running away from the ball. Chicken has given him a reasonable rating so can’t have been that bad surely. Another awful summer signing !!! . 1Million plus lol Six out of 10 , very very average , better than Edwards the only player ever to get 1/10 , Examiner have never given that before tmk , Maxwell apart , Bojan was our only decent signing ! Who signed Wiles & Edwards ? . Big fan of Warnock , but who the hell , signed Wiles & Edwards ? |
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jan 7, 2024 18:18:40 GMT 1
He was woeful again today so slow in thought and movement gave the ball away on the wing 1st half and instead of battling just gave up thats unforgivable in my book. My point being he will improve, agree he wasn’t good today He has had plenty of time same pretty much every game the way he just gives up really is unforgivable |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Jan 7, 2024 18:22:34 GMT 1
My point being he will improve, agree he wasn’t good today He has had plenty of time same pretty much every game the way he just gives up really is unforgivable I just wonder if it’s not as simple as that though. Is he carrying an injury that’s stopping him running as hard as he could? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 18:31:38 GMT 1
He has had plenty of time same pretty much every game the way he just gives up really is unforgivable I just wonder if it’s not as simple as that though. Is he carrying an injury that’s stopping him running as hard as he could? Serious questions need to be asked of whoever signed off on the medical if that's the case. We needed players ready to hit the ground running, not someone who we were hoping would be fit for the 24/25 season. We pissed away most of our summer budget on this lad and halfway through the season it's looking like we got a dud. Rotherham have had our pants down. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 7, 2024 18:36:47 GMT 1
Needs a good pre-season to get fit and to have options and runners ahead of him. Reminds me a bit of Arfield - we just haven’t got a squad or system to get the best out of him at the minute. Needs a pre-season? He had that at Rotherham, he also started their first two matches of the season. If he's not match fit over halfway through the season then when will he be? He's an absolute liability and looks miles off it. Worth noting that our preseason was shite. Had a holiday in Cornwall and battered a few pub teams, the players here looked seriously under prepared at the start of the season. If he hadn't had Rotherham's preseason it stands to reason that if anything he'd be even worse. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 18:38:44 GMT 1
Needs a pre-season? He had that at Rotherham, he also started their first two matches of the season. If he's not match fit over halfway through the season then when will he be? He's an absolute liability and looks miles off it. Worth noting that our preseason was shite. Had a holiday in Cornwall and battered a few pub teams, the players here looked seriously under prepared at the start of the season. If he hadn't had Rotherham's preseason it stands to reason that if anything he'd be even worse. I agree, although the preparation for the season before was a disgrace. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 7, 2024 18:44:18 GMT 1
Haven’t seen today’s game (probably won’t want to) but it sounds like Matos had a good debut, so, just possibly, Town will be able to drop Wiles from the match squad for a while. He’s not looked anything like the sort of player I thought we were getting when he signed. He’s at a prime age yet something clearly isn’t right, probably both physically and mentally. He needs removing from the limelight for his own good and getting properly assessed.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 7, 2024 19:15:55 GMT 1
The disappointing thing is I think there is definitely a player in Wiles but we aren't seeing it. His basic fitness is either a problem or he simply has absolutely no pace at all.
I keep thinking he might come good but with each game that optimism is slowly eroded.
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Post by DuncShearer* on Jan 7, 2024 19:18:42 GMT 1
He has had plenty of time same pretty much every game the way he just gives up really is unforgivable I just wonder if it’s not as simple as that though. Is he carrying an injury that’s stopping him running as hard as he could? If so why the hell is he being picked smacks of folk making excuses for a player that's simply not good enough |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 7, 2024 19:23:13 GMT 1
Saddest thing for me is that he doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his football, you can tell there’s a player there but he doesn’t look like he believes in his ability at the moment, he drops his head a lot. Worst thing that could happen now is the fans getting on his back.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 7, 2024 19:26:16 GMT 1
First few minutes he got the ball down the right wing with a wide open space in front. Kovacic soon caught him, Wiles seemed to grimace as he was dispossessed.
On the highlights reel when we signed him he looked all action, carrying the ball up the field.
Looks like he’s crocked.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 19:28:08 GMT 1
Saddest thing for me is that he doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his football, you can tell there’s a player there but he doesn’t look like he believes in his ability at the moment, he drops his head a lot. Worst thing that could happen now is the fans getting on his back. Nobody has got on his back in the stadium, some sets of supporters wouldn't be so forgiving for his consistent under-par performances. I think we're just used to us pissing money away on shit players. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Jan 7, 2024 19:30:39 GMT 1
I just wonder if it’s not as simple as that though. Is he carrying an injury that’s stopping him running as hard as he could? If so why the hell is he being picked smacks of folk making excuses for a player that's simply not good enough Our squad is so weak and has been weak since the season started. We might be waiting for the right time for him to come out of the side and get the rest/treatment he needs. Hogg, Kasumu, and Rudoni have all spent time injured this season. Beyond them, we’re incredibly weak in the central positions. I’m not really making excuses though, I’m just trying to get to the end of the puzzle: why he has been so poor. I don’t think it’s attitude, and I don’t think it’s lack of ability… what else could it be than physical (or mental!) health. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Jan 7, 2024 19:31:56 GMT 1
First few minutes he got the ball down the right wing with a wide open space in front. Kovacic soon caught him, Wiles seemed to grimace as he was dispossessed. On the highlights reel when we signed him he looked all action, carrying the ball up the field. Looks like he’s crocked. That was one of the moments I noticed today as well. It was a grimace. Whether it was out of pain, or merely frustration because his body wouldn’t do what he wanted. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 7, 2024 19:32:27 GMT 1
Haven’t seen today’s game (probably won’t want to) but it sounds like Matos had a good debut, so, just possibly, Town will be able to drop Wiles from the match squad for a while. He’s not looked anything like the sort of player I thought we were getting when he signed. He’s at a prime age yet something clearly isn’t right, probably both physically and mentally. He needs removing from the limelight for his own good and getting properly assessed. Difficult to make any worthwhile conclusions about that game TBH. Useful training exercise to see how we cope with a side that is all over us for 89 minutes (we probably dominated the first minute!) but otherwise - we won't play a game like that again all season. Difficult to see how this translates to our league campaign. Man City we're just incredible. To those who say the big teams don't take the FA Cup seriously - just watch them. If that's a side not taking the game seriously then everyone else might as well just pack the sport in. That said: Matos looked impressive. Has a bit of devilment about him that I like. A bit raw but high energy, really competitive and a confident lad. Spencer too. A couple of minor errors but looked solid enough. Wiles. Standard Wiles performance. Off the ball, defensively he looks sound. Good at maintaining discipline, good positional sense... but that's it. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 7, 2024 19:33:06 GMT 1
Saddest thing for me is that he doesn’t look like he’s enjoying his football, you can tell there’s a player there but he doesn’t look like he believes in his ability at the moment, he drops his head a lot. Worst thing that could happen now is the fans getting on his back. Nobody has got on his back in the stadium, some sets of supporters wouldn't be so forgiving for his consistent under-par performances. I think we're just used to us pissing money away on shit players. As others have said he’s had two decent performances before today, hopefully he’s gonna play himself into form |
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Post by drumriggend on Jan 7, 2024 19:35:58 GMT 1
Had 2 great games previously. Only watched on iPlayer so you can’t see all the running away from the ball. Chicken has given him a reasonable rating so can’t have been that bad surely. Don’t call me Shirley.. Don’t think he’s ever had a great game for us.. Either he’s semi injured.. Or he’s not very good.. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 19:36:46 GMT 1
DATM loves a scapegoat, huh?
I suspect it's psychological, and comes down to his injury(ies). Human nature after damage to the body that you'd be hesitant, run a little slower, shirk the odd challenge and lack self-confidence. If he needs taking out of the team for a bit then so be it, but last thing he needs is a bunch of keyboard warriors writing him off and belittling him.
Football supporters can be right dicks sometimes.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 19:38:52 GMT 1
Nobody has got on his back in the stadium, some sets of supporters wouldn't be so forgiving for his consistent under-par performances. I think we're just used to us pissing money away on shit players. As others have said he’s had two decent performances before today, hopefully he’s gonna play himself into form He was slightly better in those games but still miles away from being a player that can make a difference to this team. Bet he doesn't start on Saturday. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 19:40:10 GMT 1
DATM loves a scapegoat, huh? I suspect it's psychological, and comes down to his injury(ies). Human nature after damage to the body that you'd be hesitant, run a little slower, shirk the odd challenge and lack self-confidence. If he needs taking out of the team for a bit then so be it, but last thing he needs is a bunch of keyboard warriors writing him off and belittling him. Football supporters can be right dicks sometimes. I think people are just saying it as they see it tbf. Not been good enough. |
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Post by frankyb on Jan 7, 2024 19:53:32 GMT 1
Looks like he needs a month on the beach to sort himself out. Seems very hard on himself, but then not busting a gut to try and find some form.... feel a bit for him. There is obviously something not right, be it injury or in his head..
Sometimes you need to take folk out of the firing line. We probably don't have the squad to send him on holiday. I think warnock would have probably got more out of him, just by giving him special treatment.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 7, 2024 20:17:32 GMT 1
Would imagine Matos and Rudoni will play every game if fit, would give Wiles a break to help sort himself out.
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