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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 20:35:09 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jan 7, 2024 20:35:10 GMT 1
I'm almost certain he's carrying an injury, it'll get to March time or at ghe end of the season and it'll be announced he's having an op on a longstanding groin injury or hernia or summat similar.
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Post by goodbet on Jan 7, 2024 20:41:45 GMT 1
On the plus side every other signing we have made have taken a season to adapt to playing in the championship with us so maybe he will be better for us next season.
I just wonder why we seem to like signing injured players.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 20:44:54 GMT 1
On the plus side every other signing we have made have taken a season to adapt to playing in the championship with us so maybe he will be better for us next season. I just wonder why we seem to like signing injured players. He'd already played over 90 championship games before he came here. |
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Post by goodbet on Jan 7, 2024 20:52:44 GMT 1
On the plus side every other signing we have made have taken a season to adapt to playing in the championship with us so maybe he will be better for us next season. I just wonder why we seem to like signing injured players. He'd already played over 90 championship games before he came here. So? Is he fit? Is he in the same form as he was for his previous club? Something is not right is it? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 20:58:30 GMT 1
He'd already played over 90 championship games before he came here. So? Is he fit? Is he in the same form as he was for his previous club? Something is not right is it? You're saying he may need time to play championship football, I pointed out he'd already played over 90 games at this level. It's not the lads fault we signed a player playing with a career altering injury, that blame lays squarely with the recruitment team and medical team. |
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Post by goodbet on Jan 7, 2024 21:08:06 GMT 1
So? Is he fit? Is he in the same form as he was for his previous club? Something is not right is it? You're saying he may need time to play championship football, I pointed out he'd already played over 90 games at this level. It's not the lads fault we signed a player playing with a career altering injury, that blame lays squarely with the recruitment team and medical team. I was just hoping that he comes good later. I agree that any blame lays at the hands of our medical/recruitment team. This is not the first time this has happened. Lets just hope we begin to learn from our mistakes. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jan 7, 2024 21:09:47 GMT 1
There is definitely a good player in him but feel concerned he may be another Pritchard ie a nearly man
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Post by townarentbest on Jan 7, 2024 21:17:53 GMT 1
Wiles looks like a player who has spend the last five years bouncing between League 1 and the Championship who just simply isn't really good enough for this level 🤷♂️
Shame, I thought he was the next Lewis O'Brien when I saw his video, I guess there's a reason why you've never heard of some players.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 7, 2024 21:18:02 GMT 1
There is definitely a good player in him but feel concerned he may be another Pritchard ie a nearly man Well let’s take the positives , he wants to play and didn’t cost £8 million. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 7, 2024 21:22:25 GMT 1
With that through ball today in the first half he looked like he was running in treacle
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 21:22:35 GMT 1
You're saying he may need time to play championship football, I pointed out he'd already played over 90 games at this level. It's not the lads fault we signed a player playing with a career altering injury, that blame lays squarely with the recruitment team and medical team. I was just hoping that he comes good later. I agree that any blame lays at the hands of our medical/recruitment team. This is not the first time this has happened. Lets just hope we begin to learn from our mistakes. To blow 70% of our summer budget on him is one BIG mistake. We needed to get these signings bang on, not taking risks. He and Edwards have been shocking signings as a whole and we only signed 4, one being a reserve keeper. I do feel for him because he's clearly not the high energy, tough tackling, shot taking player he was before his injury, infact he's the complete opposite. That doesn't change the fact that he's not what we need though. Hope he finally comes good but people saying he needs a pre-season when he had one, or saying he needs championship games when he's had plenty of experience at this level, or saying he just needs a holiday, all seem like excuses for his poor performances. Glad we've brought the lad in from Chelsea. |
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Post by tonytiler on Jan 7, 2024 21:26:57 GMT 1
Wiles is not what we need in a relegation scrap,he just hasn't turned up for whatever reason.Suppose we are stuck with him for now so can only hope for some improvement ffs.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 7, 2024 21:37:52 GMT 1
I was just hoping that he comes good later. I agree that any blame lays at the hands of our medical/recruitment team. This is not the first time this has happened. Lets just hope we begin to learn from our mistakes. To blow 70% of our summer budget on him is one BIG mistake. We needed to get these signings bang on, not taking risks. He and Edwards have been shocking signings as a whole and we only signed 4, one being a reserve keeper. I do feel for him because he's clearly not the high energy, tough tackling, shot taking player he was before his injury, infact he's the complete opposite. That doesn't change the fact that he's not what we need though. Hope he finally comes good but people saying he needs a pre-season when he had one, or saying he needs championship games when he's had plenty of experience at this level, or saying he just needs a holiday, all seem like excuses for his poor performances. Glad we've brought the lad in from Chelsea. Folk have been making excuses for Rhodes barely scoring for 8 years, since he resigned, where's the difference |
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Post by portugalterrier on Jan 7, 2024 21:39:29 GMT 1
With that through ball today in the first half he looked like he was running in treacle Think you also have to take into account that the City defenders were not exactly short of pace, as Sorba found out . |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 7, 2024 21:43:09 GMT 1
DATM loves a scapegoat, huh? I suspect it's psychological, and comes down to his injury(ies). Human nature after damage to the body that you'd be hesitant, run a little slower, shirk the odd challenge and lack self-confidence. If he needs taking out of the team for a bit then so be it, but last thing he needs is a bunch of keyboard warriors writing him off and belittling him. Football supporters can be right dicks sometimes. I think the thing is finding the balance between giving an honest appraisal of a player whose performances thus far have been very disappointing, vs scapegoating. I don't get the impression that he's actively taking the piss (as I did with some of those we signed 5-6 years ago!). I think the effort is there, even if the ability, self belief or whatever else the issue is, isn't. I won't get on the back of a player for playing badly if the effort is there. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 7, 2024 21:45:31 GMT 1
To blow 70% of our summer budget on him is one BIG mistake. We needed to get these signings bang on, not taking risks. He and Edwards have been shocking signings as a whole and we only signed 4, one being a reserve keeper. I do feel for him because he's clearly not the high energy, tough tackling, shot taking player he was before his injury, infact he's the complete opposite. That doesn't change the fact that he's not what we need though. Hope he finally comes good but people saying he needs a pre-season when he had one, or saying he needs championship games when he's had plenty of experience at this level, or saying he just needs a holiday, all seem like excuses for his poor performances. Glad we've brought the lad in from Chelsea. Folk have been making excuses for Rhodes barely scoring for 8 years, since he resigned, where's the difference Strange comparison. He wasn't exactly prolific but minutes wise he still had a better than 1 in 3 record and always put a shift in. Wiles has given us nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2024 21:58:02 GMT 1
DATM loves a scapegoat, huh? I suspect it's psychological, and comes down to his injury(ies). Human nature after damage to the body that you'd be hesitant, run a little slower, shirk the odd challenge and lack self-confidence. If he needs taking out of the team for a bit then so be it, but last thing he needs is a bunch of keyboard warriors writing him off and belittling him. Football supporters can be right dicks sometimes. I think the thing is finding the balance between giving an honest appraisal of a player whose performances thus far have been very disappointing, vs scapegoating. I don't get the impression that he's actively taking the piss (as I did with some of those we signed 5-6 years ago!). I think the effort is there, even if the ability, self belief or whatever else the issue is, isn't. I won't get on the back of a player for playing badly if the effort is there. Yeah, I get that. I think the injury has affected Wiles quite badly*, and I don't see any lack of effort. Ever hopeful, I think he'll come good - which is likely easier if supporters aren't on his back. *which is why we got him for considerably(ish) less than the mooted £2m Burnley offered, perhaps |
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Post by harris on Jan 7, 2024 22:08:47 GMT 1
I’d reinvent him as a CDM. He can pass it a bit, but he’s slow and is absolutely useless in a counter attacking side. At least at CDM all he has to do is pass, tackle and break up play. Otherwise it’s £1m + down the drain.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 7, 2024 22:17:28 GMT 1
There is definitely a good player in him but feel concerned he may be another Pritchard ie a nearly man I don't get the comparison with Pritchard at all. Wiles has been disappointing to say the least, but he hasn't downed tools at all. Lacks fitness? Sure. Lacks confidence? Certainly. Worst value for money signing currently here? Yep. But actively taking the piss? I really don't see that at all. Comparisons with that fucking gnome are miles off. |
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 8, 2024 0:09:27 GMT 1
With that through ball today in the first half he looked like he was running in treacle He looked like he was running backwards. |
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Post by htafc12 on Jan 8, 2024 1:46:50 GMT 1
Let’s not sugar coat the fact he is absolutely shit.
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Post by belizian on Jan 8, 2024 2:52:05 GMT 1
74th minute - given the ball in the centre circle and has an easy pass out to two players on his left - too slow holds it and is challenged - looses the ball (which results in a goal) but then he's on the floor and can hardly raise himself up - really struggles to his feet obviously completely knackered. This lad cannot play a competitive 90 minutes but he's been forced to try because of lack of competition. Hopefully now we can use him as a sub and perhaps get a good 20 or 30 minutes out of him.
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Post by Orinoco on Jan 8, 2024 3:18:09 GMT 1
What do you get for a million quid in modern day football?, if the player works out its a bargain, otherwise it's load of crap blah blah.
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 8, 2024 7:56:54 GMT 1
74th minute - given the ball in the centre circle and has an easy pass out to two players on his left - too slow holds it and is challenged - looses the ball (which results in a goal) but then he's on the floor and can hardly raise himself up - really struggles to his feet obviously completely knackered. This lad cannot play a competitive 90 minutes but he's been forced to try because of lack of competition. Hopefully now we can use him as a sub and perhaps get a good 20 or 30 minutes out of him. Yes. I think he's been unavoidably overused because of a lack of options in the middle. Kasumu, Hogg and Rudoni have all been out for some of the season with injury and Diarra's form has been terrible. Hopefully the addition of Matos (and maybe another midfielder?) will go some way to addressing that. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 8, 2024 8:00:19 GMT 1
Let’s not sugar coat the fact he is absolutely shit. It's not necessarily sugar coating to discuss why he's been shit though. It's also not sugar coating it to challenge hyperbole. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 8, 2024 8:49:21 GMT 1
Quite often with players it takes a season for them to settle in. We'll know for sure this time next year if this guy is going to perform for us.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 8, 2024 9:21:25 GMT 1
Quite often with players it takes a season for them to settle in. We'll know for sure this time next year if this guy is going to perform for us. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I’m guessing BW hasn’t had to even move house after his transfer from Rotherham, so “settling in” would be a feeble excuse for him. As I’ve said earlier, maybe now with Matos in the club can take BW out of the firing line and do a full assessment of him. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 8, 2024 9:38:42 GMT 1
Quite often with players it takes a season for them to settle in. We'll know for sure this time next year if this guy is going to perform for us. I appreciate what you’re saying, but I’m guessing BW hasn’t had to even move house after his transfer from Rotherham, so “settling in” would be a feeble excuse for him. As I’ve said earlier, maybe now with Matos in the club can take BW out of the firing line and do a full assessment of him. Makes sense... I think his problem is between his ears. There's a player there I think, but we haven't seen anything yet. |
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Post by belizian on Jan 8, 2024 9:50:43 GMT 1
It's nothing to do with 'settling in' the guy's not fit. Anyone watching his struggle to get back on his feet in the 74th minute can see that. Yet 14 minutes later he's still on the pitch. Unbelievable. Awful man management.
I don't believe he's ever recovered properly from the very bad ankle injury he got before we signed him and he perhaps never will.
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