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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 14:02:31 GMT 1
But if youre addicted to gambling and a footballer ( an easy thing for a lawyer to claim that cant really be disproved ) , there are countless other things you can gamble on. They all know they arent allowed to gamble on football, so addict or not theres a lot of arrogance that somehow the rules dont apply to them. People know not to drink and drive. People know not to use mobile phones whilst driving. People know that their children under the age of 13 shouldn't have social media. But a lot of people still do it. The top 2 are illegal the last is just something you’ve added for effect. The top 2 you can go to jail for and would be sacked in many forms of employment if caught |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 8, 2024 14:09:10 GMT 1
I think that would only happen if it could be proved that he influenced the outcome of the bet, i.e. fixing. Agreed. However, a post above seemed to suggest that Kian's actions were tantamount to insider trading, which can carry a jail term. The investigation into Kian's bets cleared him of any inside knowledge when betting on Town. I don't see many differences between what Kian has done and what Toff did. Non of us know what Toff was like at that age. They were both a similar age when they did it. They both bet on their own team They both bet against their own team They were both at times during the period it happened out on loan and living away from home (Kian at Port Vale). However, I would 'bet' that all those criticising Kian and saying get rid, would have not been saying that about Toff if his offences came to light whilst he was with us and the best left back in the league & all round good guy. And I would 'bet' that they would also happily have him re-join Huddersfield Town now if the opportunity arose. So why are people so keen to get rid of Kian......Young lad that's fucked up yes, but as yet, I'm not sure he's done anything to warrant getting rid. Nail. On. Head. Can guarantee if one of the favourites had been doing it, the "get him out of the club" shouts would be muted. It goes on all the time. I was once in a bookies down Milnsbridge when a prominent professional footballer from Huddersfield put a load of money on a game involving his then club. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 14:09:48 GMT 1
The one thing that possibly makes me want to keep KH on towns books is that he hasn’t come out blaming his actions on this and that. Sometimes the character of a person is taking responsibility for your actions . Not just looking for the modern day cop out excuses many people use today.
That shows possibly that the lad as a backbone which will bode him well in latter life if he learns from these mistakes .
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Post by rockwall on Feb 8, 2024 14:13:30 GMT 1
People know not to drink and drive. People know not to use mobile phones whilst driving. People know that their children under the age of 13 shouldn't have social media. But a lot of people still do it. The top 2 are illegal the last is just something you’ve added for effect. The top 2 you can go to jail for and would be sacked in many forms of employment if caught The point is, how many who are saying sack him etc do those things? Some do it and will have never been caught. Like Harratt, admitted what he has done and said he didn't think he would get caught. The last one isn't added for effect either. The amount of children and families I have had to deal with that have been through mental health issues in regards to social media is astonishing. Suicides of u13s is at a high and the majority is because of social media. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 14:16:12 GMT 1
The top 2 are illegal the last is just something you’ve added for effect. The top 2 you can go to jail for and would be sacked in many forms of employment if caught The point is, how many who are saying sack him etc do those things? Some do it and will have never been caught. Like Harratt, admitted what he has done and said he didn't think he would get caught. The last one isn't added for effect either. The amount of children and families I have had to deal with that have been through mental health issues in regards to social media is astonishing. Suicides of u13s is at a high and the majority is because of social media. No you’ve added for effect and what’s the example drink driving is fine because some idiots do it. No people die because wankers get behind a wheel while drunk and they also deserve to lose more than their jobs. Your examples are shocking. |
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Post by benhomly on Feb 8, 2024 14:16:35 GMT 1
I think that would only happen if it could be proved that he influenced the outcome of the bet, i.e. fixing. Agreed. However, a post above seemed to suggest that Kian's actions were tantamount to insider trading, which can carry a jail term. The investigation into Kian's bets cleared him of any inside knowledge when betting on Town. I don't see many differences between what Kian has done and what Toff did. Non of us know what Toff was like at that age. They were both a similar age when they did it. They both bet on their own team They both bet against their own team They were both at times during the period it happened out on loan and living away from home (Kian at Port Vale). However, I would 'bet' that all those criticising Kian and saying get rid, would have not been saying that about Toff if his offences came to light whilst he was with us and the best left back in the league & all round good guy. And I would 'bet' that they would also happily have him re-join Huddersfield Town now if the opportunity arose. So why are people so keen to get rid of Kian......Young lad that's fucked up yes, but as yet, I'm not sure he's done anything to warrant getting rid. Loads of us could be guilty of that, I used to put money on us to lose every week when we were in the PL because I knew we were crap  |
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 8, 2024 14:18:41 GMT 1
I like Harratt and want him to succeed with us precisely because he's a bit of a rascal. Hunting and betting, whoop de do. God forbid a young man have hobbies!
If he can channel his energy into football sand cut out bad influences, and end up a championship quality player at the end of it, then it massively vindicates Town giving him chances when other teams wouldn't.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 14:19:00 GMT 1
I think that would only happen if it could be proved that he influenced the outcome of the bet, i.e. fixing. Agreed. However, a post above seemed to suggest that Kian's actions were tantamount to insider trading, which can carry a jail term. The investigation into Kian's bets cleared him of any inside knowledge when betting on Town. I don't see many differences between what Kian has done and what Toff did. Non of us know what Toff was like at that age. They were both a similar age when they did it. They both bet on their own team They both bet against their own team They were both at times during the period it happened out on loan and living away from home (Kian at Port Vale). However, I would 'bet' that all those criticising Kian and saying get rid, would have not been saying that about Toff if his offences came to light whilst he was with us and the best left back in the league & all round good guy. And I would 'bet' that they would also happily have him re-join Huddersfield Town now if the opportunity arose. So why are people so keen to get rid of Kian......Young lad that's fucked up yes, but as yet, I'm not sure he's done anything to warrant getting rid. No both should go. Especially if they have repeated criminal history’s |
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Post by andyeastleake on Feb 8, 2024 16:24:37 GMT 1
Does the club have to pay him whilst he’s suspended? I've not seen an answer to this question and TBH it seems the most important point as a supporter of the club. On Harratt, two observations a) I'd keep him a little longer. Whilst a really daft lad, he's got some charecter (probably needed to make it) and under Warnock seemed to improve. b) A loss of £3,657 on stakes of £8,105 (45%) suggest he should both get another hobby (even though small stakes) and that the benefits of insider knowledge weren't great. Hope he did better on the Horses. |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 8, 2024 16:48:08 GMT 1
The point is, how many who are saying sack him etc do those things? Some do it and will have never been caught. Like Harratt, admitted what he has done and said he didn't think he would get caught. The last one isn't added for effect either. The amount of children and families I have had to deal with that have been through mental health issues in regards to social media is astonishing. Suicides of u13s is at a high and the majority is because of social media. No you’ve added for effect and what’s the example drink driving is fine because some idiots do it. No people die because wankers get behind a wheel while drunk and they also deserve to lose more than their jobs. Your examples are shocking. What the hell are you on about? Either read my posts in the correct context or keep quiet. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 17:04:01 GMT 1
No you’ve added for effect and what’s the example drink driving is fine because some idiots do it. No people die because wankers get behind a wheel while drunk and they also deserve to lose more than their jobs. Your examples are shocking. What the hell are you on about? Either read my posts in the correct context or keep quiet. Impossible they have no context |
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Post by rockwall on Feb 8, 2024 17:07:38 GMT 1
What the hell are you on about? Either read my posts in the correct context or keep quiet. Impossible they have no context When have I ever said drink driving is fine? I said the complete opposite. And if you want to turn a blind eye to the real world and claim 'its for effect' I hope you never have to do deal with such a situation. Your comments a pure ignorant and disgraceful. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 18:58:14 GMT 1
Impossible they have no context When have I ever said drink driving is fine? I said the complete opposite. And if you want to turn a blind eye to the real world and claim 'its for effect' I hope you never have to do deal with such a situation. Your comments a pure ignorant and disgraceful. Not really interested in carrying this on. If you think I’m being ignorant it’s because I think you’re going off on a topic that’s not relevant to KHs topic. You think it is I don’t . You’re ranting about kids on the internet and mental health. What as that to do with KH and him betting . Or put another way I say KH should be got rid of due to his illegal activities whilst at town. You say people like me who want rid of KH could do things similar to KH did like 1/ drink drive 2/ mobile phone whilst driving Note both illegal . Well I don’t do either so does that mean I can still have the opinion town need rid . But you also stated someone like me who wants rid of KH due to his illegal actions could do 3/ let their kids use the internet under 13. Just a note that’s a cop out because one it’s not illegal and 2 it’s the whole planet if you’ve got kids. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 8, 2024 19:46:53 GMT 1
He sounds like a dick. Won't be the first, won't be the last.
He's taking his punishment, surely we would want no less in a law based scociety?
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 8, 2024 20:11:19 GMT 1
I never did anything stupid when I was his age. Just read the bible in my free time before bed at 9 o'clock (9:30 at weekends!) with a cup of camomile tea.
Didn't we all?
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Post by bluebeard on Feb 8, 2024 20:22:43 GMT 1
I would get rid tomorrow no problem. "He is going to throw it all away", not my opinion just what i was told about something and i am sick of people making fecking excuses for footballers or any sportsman and it is mainly men, basically it is taking the piss big time/ If they have a problem what ever it is get some help, instead of all this crap about having a bad up brining ect.
Fans pay their hard earned money to watch footballers and at least deserve that they see 100 % effort every game, while some footballers are not able to do that because of their off field life styles, make of that what you will.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 8, 2024 20:27:54 GMT 1
I never did anything stupid when I was his age. Just read the bible in my free time before bed at 9 o'clock (9:30 at weekends!) with a cup of camomile tea. Didn't we all? Got pissed and smoked a bit of wacky backy in Toxteth, whilst at University. Never tried to savage a wild animal or bet on my own team losing. Mind you, I wasn't very good at football. |
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Post by specialun on Feb 8, 2024 20:41:04 GMT 1
He’s on his last chance but this was naive rather than malicious
(Plenty big DATM favourited either done or associated with far worse - I don’t recall anyone suggesting we dis own them / don’t bring them back back etc)
And on the pitch I know some question him, he’s lots to develop but he’s 21 & tbh the best striker we’ve brought through (brought in and then through) since Stead? I’m going back 20 years!
He’s worth a risk on both fronts - you never know these issues now / in public light may help longer term. As I’ve said though as much as we put an arm around him it’s down to him now
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 8, 2024 20:41:36 GMT 1
I never did anything stupid when I was his age. Just read the bible in my free time before bed at 9 o'clock (9:30 at weekends!) with a cup of camomile tea. Didn't we all? Yup...and boxing gloves in bed. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 8, 2024 20:46:56 GMT 1
When have I ever said drink driving is fine? I said the complete opposite. And if you want to turn a blind eye to the real world and claim 'its for effect' I hope you never have to do deal with such a situation. Your comments a pure ignorant and disgraceful. Not really interested in carrying this on. If you think I’m being ignorant it’s because I think you’re going off on a topic that’s not relevant to KHs topic. You think it is I don’t . You’re ranting about kids on the internet and mental health. What as that to do with KH and him betting . Or put another way I say KH should be got rid of due to his illegal activities whilst at town. You say people like me who want rid of KH could do things similar to KH did like 1/ drink drive 2/ mobile phone whilst driving Note both illegal . Well I don’t do either so does that mean I can still have the opinion town need rid . But you also stated someone like me who wants rid of KH due to his illegal actions could do 3/ let their kids use the internet under 13. Just a note that’s a cop out because one it’s not illegal and 2 it’s the whole planet if you’ve got kids. Just a note but KH hasn't done anything illegal in regards to this charge which is simply a breach of FA rules. |
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Post by efesodje23 on Feb 8, 2024 20:48:10 GMT 1
I would get rid tomorrow no problem. "He is going to throw it all away", not my opinion just what i was told about something and i am sick of people making fecking excuses for footballers or any sportsman and it is mainly men, basically it is taking the piss big time/ If they have a problem what ever it is get some help, instead of all this crap about having a bad up brining ect. Fans pay their hard earned money to watch footballers and at least deserve that they see 100 % effort every game, while some footballers are not able to do that because of their off field life styles, make of that what you will. There's nothing I've seen that suggests he's given less than 100% on the pitch. Doing stuff that stops him getting on the team-sheet and on the pitch? Hare-coursing, personal reasons (aka custody suite) and now this ban? Sure. But whenever he's played he's been right up for it. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Feb 8, 2024 20:48:31 GMT 1
Not really interested in carrying this on. If you think I’m being ignorant it’s because I think you’re going off on a topic that’s not relevant to KHs topic. You think it is I don’t . You’re ranting about kids on the internet and mental health. What as that to do with KH and him betting . Or put another way I say KH should be got rid of due to his illegal activities whilst at town. You say people like me who want rid of KH could do things similar to KH did like 1/ drink drive 2/ mobile phone whilst driving Note both illegal . Well I don’t do either so does that mean I can still have the opinion town need rid . But you also stated someone like me who wants rid of KH due to his illegal actions could do 3/ let their kids use the internet under 13. Just a note that’s a cop out because one it’s not illegal and 2 it’s the whole planet if you’ve got kids. Just a note but KH hasn't done anything illegal in regards to this charge which is simply a breach of FA rules. Correct THIS |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Feb 8, 2024 20:50:43 GMT 1
Sometimes in life you don't realize what you had until it is gone and when it's down to your own stupidity it's even worse.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Feb 8, 2024 21:08:14 GMT 1
Footballers gambling on football matches are dim. Everyone knows what the rules are.
If he's wanting to gamble then theres dozens of other markets he could bet on.
Don't buy this argument that because it's on football kits and advertising boards he couldn't stop himself.
Nor do I think he should be sacked because of it. Its hardly crime of the century.
Give him a final warning, spell out why gambling on football when you've potentially got insider knowledge is wrong and tell him to leave off the illegal parts of hunting until he's given up being a pro footballer and doesnt have the same profile he has now..Or wait until the off season and go do it abroad where it's still legal if he needs to feed his interest.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 9, 2024 1:13:42 GMT 1
I think that would only happen if it could be proved that he influenced the outcome of the bet, i.e. fixing. Agreed. However, a post above seemed to suggest that Kian's actions were tantamount to insider trading, which can carry a jail term. The investigation into Kian's bets cleared him of any inside knowledge when betting on Town. I don't see many differences between what Kian has done and what Toff did. Non of us know what Toff was like at that age. They were both a similar age when they did it. They both bet on their own team They both bet against their own team They were both at times during the period it happened out on loan and living away from home (Kian at Port Vale). However, I would 'bet' that all those criticising Kian and saying get rid, would have not been saying that about Toff if his offences came to light whilst he was with us and the best left back in the league & all round good guy. And I would 'bet' that they would also happily have him re-join Huddersfield Town now if the opportunity arose. So why are people so keen to get rid of Kian......Young lad that's fucked up yes, but as yet, I'm not sure he's done anything to warrant getting rid. Because he hasn’t bagged 15+ goals for the season and looking like he is a great player/asset for us, otherwise they’d be all over him and forgiving. That’s how life works unfortunately 🤷♂️ |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 9, 2024 1:50:38 GMT 1
I never did anything stupid when I was his age. Just read the bible in my free time before bed at 9 o'clock (9:30 at weekends!) with a cup of camomile tea. Didn't we all? Your dark side of the moon style profile pic might suggest otherwise!! Lol |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 9, 2024 2:17:44 GMT 1
Agreed. However, a post above seemed to suggest that Kian's actions were tantamount to insider trading, which can carry a jail term. The investigation into Kian's bets cleared him of any inside knowledge when betting on Town. I don't see many differences between what Kian has done and what Toff did. Non of us know what Toff was like at that age. They were both a similar age when they did it. They both bet on their own team They both bet against their own team They were both at times during the period it happened out on loan and living away from home (Kian at Port Vale). However, I would 'bet' that all those criticising Kian and saying get rid, would have not been saying that about Toff if his offences came to light whilst he was with us and the best left back in the league & all round good guy. And I would 'bet' that they would also happily have him re-join Huddersfield Town now if the opportunity arose. So why are people so keen to get rid of Kian......Young lad that's fucked up yes, but as yet, I'm not sure he's done anything to warrant getting rid. Nail. On. Head. Can guarantee if one of the favourites had been doing it, the "get him out of the club" shouts would be muted. It goes on all the time. I was once in a bookies down Milnsbridge when a prominent professional footballer from Huddersfield put a load of money on a game involving his then club. I once saw Darren Bullock drinking in the Pepperhouse (now camel club) at 1 in the morning on the Friday night before playing for Town at 3pm on Saturday. Not illegal I know but a bit unprofessional. But hey, its Bully so we Can't begrudge him a good night out!!🍾🍷🍺 🍕🌮 |
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Post by houllierspal on Feb 9, 2024 7:44:50 GMT 1
And was probably MOM
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Post by tottz on Feb 9, 2024 8:35:38 GMT 1
To all those being highly critical of Kian Harratt. Think back to the worst thing, or things, that you’ve done. Did you do those things because you’re an ars*hole? Or were there mitigating factors? I’m sure there were.
Likely the same for KH. I’m happy enough for the club to give him the benefit of the doubt, another chance and any help necessary as that’s what I’d want to happen to myself or to my kids in a similar situation
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Post by belizian on Feb 9, 2024 10:00:18 GMT 1
I was slightly disappointed with him when he got a gig in the 1st team. I thought he'd be more aggressive - give the opps' a few knock's and sly kicks - saw nothing of that. Needs to 'kick on'.
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