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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Feb 9, 2024 10:29:10 GMT 1
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Post by callmeal on Feb 9, 2024 10:30:55 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad.
"The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school.
He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall."
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Post by 66738 on Feb 9, 2024 10:59:24 GMT 1
One more chance for me. He’s young, most likely immature for his age, and those in his life growing up might not have laid boundaries like other young men have had. The hare coursing was disappointing but something that he may have done for many years, and he regarded as normal. It will definitely not have been discussed by the club and why should it have ever been? Professional footballers need to be so squeaky clean these days, as everyone has a camera on them at all times, and any misdemeanour spreads like wildfire on social media. The players of yesteryear were extremely lucky that they weren’t under the constant gaze of the public like they are today. I mean, Gazza for example. We know a lot of what he got up to but I dread to think of the stuff he’s done that we don’t know about. But that’s the price you pay for earning the good money they are on.
The gambling addiction I can sort of understand having experienced it with a family member. When it crawls under your skin, it’s a bugger to put a stop to. But bet on the nags, or the dogs, or the cricket, or the boxing, but not football. It’s drilled into them from the start. You can not bet on football. It’s ever so simple to understand. That is the bit that I have no sympathy with. It’s just another cross you have to bare plying the trade he’s in. I feel this could be a crossroads moment in his life. With the support of the club, he needs to grow up, realise just how lucky he is to be doing what thousands of young lads would love to do, and become the model footballer that we (that’s us the fans and the club itself) can be proud of. Failure to do that, will ultimately lead to a curtailed career, as Football only has a limited patience.
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Post by royrace on Feb 9, 2024 11:55:08 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad. "The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school. He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall." Question is will the behaviour change or improve, I would say unlikely based on the fact he's now a fully grown adult doing a job most could only dream of. Shame. |
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Post by townarentbest on Feb 9, 2024 12:20:37 GMT 1
To all those being highly critical of Kian Harratt. Think back to the worst thing, or things, that you’ve done. Did you do those things because you’re an ars*hole? Or were there mitigating factors? I’m sure there were. Likely the same for KH. I’m happy enough for the club to give him the benefit of the doubt, another chance and any help necessary as that’s what I’d want to happen to myself or to my kids in a similar situation Mostly because I was an arse. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 9, 2024 12:51:04 GMT 1
I feel like Harratt could have really benefitted from spending a season under the tutelage of Ronnie Jepson. And Warnock even said that they'd been having one-to-one training.
Jepson is someone who, despite a tough start in life, managed to forge a decent career for himself and leave behind the life of being in trouble.
Not only was he on remand for Heysel, he was in Borstal for fighting, stealing cars and all the rest of it, but he got a chance at Port Vale and took it. I think Jeppo would have seen a bit of himself in Harratt and guided him.
On the other hand, I don't think Moore would have had a clue how to deal with him.
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 9, 2024 12:53:28 GMT 1
Nail. On. Head. Can guarantee if one of the favourites had been doing it, the "get him out of the club" shouts would be muted. It goes on all the time. I was once in a bookies down Milnsbridge when a prominent professional footballer from Huddersfield put a load of money on a game involving his then club. I once saw Darren Bullock drinking in the Pepperhouse (now camel club) at 1 in the morning on the Friday night before playing for Town at 3pm on Saturday. Not illegal I know but a bit unprofessional. But hey, its Bully so we Can't begrudge him a good night out!!🍾🍷🍺 🍕🌮 Funny though, isn't it. Bullock is regarded as a legend here and people love to retell the stories of him pissed up and fighting, and for some it seems to enhance his legendary status. |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 9, 2024 13:01:07 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad. "The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school. He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall." In that case he needs an arm around him and encouragement to help him through it |
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Post by kayeb222 on Feb 9, 2024 14:45:06 GMT 1
I once saw Darren Bullock drinking in the Pepperhouse (now camel club) at 1 in the morning on the Friday night before playing for Town at 3pm on Saturday. Not illegal I know but a bit unprofessional. But hey, its Bully so we Can't begrudge him a good night out!!🍾🍷🍺 🍕🌮 Funny though, isn't it. Bullock is regarded as a legend here and people love to retell the stories of him pissed up and fighting, and for some it seems to enhance his legendary status. No doubt we will all be telling similar stories about Kian in 20 years if he goes on to score 100 goals for us and becomes a club legend! I've got my doubts he will but you never know. |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Feb 9, 2024 15:01:49 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad. "The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school. He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall." Sounds like the PE teachers were probably the only ones who liked him at school - because he'd be great for the school football team 😁. I've got a nephew like that, although he wasn't as good at football as he liked to think he was and he's now playing for the local pub team! 😂 |
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Post by mosher on Feb 9, 2024 15:21:43 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad. "The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school. He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall." He's a preacher too? Throw the chuffing book at him  |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 9, 2024 17:02:19 GMT 1
He,s only human..born to make mistakes
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 9, 2024 21:30:07 GMT 1
This is from a friend who knows his dad. "The lad has had a poor upbringing. His parents separated and he ended up living with his mum who was dating the local drug dealer. He was exposed to things no child should have to see and as a result was a loose canon at school. He likes a drink and regularly gets into fights on a Saturday night regularly around Hemsworth and South Elmsall." Question is will the behaviour change or improve, I would say unlikely based on the fact he's now a fully grown adult doing a job most could only dream of. Shame. Must admit, I'm glad my maturity levels weren't fixed at where I was at 21. Some are of course, thinking and behaving like mature adults before they're legally allowed to drink, others take longer. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 12, 2024 10:49:02 GMT 1
The witch hunt has started. At least get the punishment length correct....
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Post by nicovaesen on Feb 12, 2024 10:54:00 GMT 1
Did he actually bet on us to lose? Or is that BS like the van length?
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 12, 2024 10:54:32 GMT 1
I had all the support for him, but you just don't bet on your own team losing.
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Post by terrier10 on Feb 12, 2024 10:57:02 GMT 1
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 12, 2024 10:57:47 GMT 1
I had all the support for him, but you just don't bet on your own team losing. I agree but if you've got an issue with gambling and you're chasing losses then you bet on the result you think is most likely to happen surely. Has he done it to disrespect town or has he done it for the above reasons? Needs guidance either way. |
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Post by crux on Feb 12, 2024 11:00:57 GMT 1
Did he actually bet on us to lose? Or is that BS like the van length? He did bet on us to lose, so maybe he's not as daft as we think 😉. I have to say that I thought he's bloody lucky to get such a relatively short ban because of the bets on Town when he knew it was wrong. But then Toffolo was even luckier to get off without any ban. |
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Post by leroy212 on Feb 12, 2024 11:06:21 GMT 1
sure i read somewhere was meant to be 8 months, but because he said he was guilty and admitted it, it was reduced to 4 months
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Feb 12, 2024 11:13:51 GMT 1
I had all the support for him, but you just don't bet on your own team losing. I agree but if you've got an issue with gambling and you're chasing losses then you bet on the result you think is most likely to happen surely. Has he done it to disrespect town or has he done it for the above reasons? Needs guidance either way. Aside from the obvious fact that it's similar to insider trading (if he knows key players are out before it's public etc) As well as the fact that betting on your own team stinks and leaves it wide open to corruption of the actual games. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 12, 2024 11:14:07 GMT 1
sure i read somewhere was meant to be 8 months, but because he said he was guilty and admitted it, it was reduced to 4 months Along with his age and inexperience. What do these people hope to gain by applying selective outrage against a thorough and lengthy process? Ah, sorry, it’s some prick from the worst rag in the country. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 12, 2024 11:22:52 GMT 1
I agree but if you've got an issue with gambling and you're chasing losses then you bet on the result you think is most likely to happen surely. Has he done it to disrespect town or has he done it for the above reasons? Needs guidance either way. Aside from the obvious fact that it's similar to insider trading (if he knows key players are out before it's public etc) As well as the fact that betting on your own team stinks and leaves it wide open to corruption of the actual games. I'm not justifying it, it was more in response to you losing all support for him because he bet against us. He's clearly got a problem and needs support regardless of who he placed bets on. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 12, 2024 11:23:30 GMT 1
Another thought on this, is that these cases highlight the value that the game puts on their betting company sponsorships and tie ins.
I think it’s an industry that’s lower than a snakes belly, but in these recent cases you can see how the FA and FL value these deals.
I’d imagine there were tons of players at this before betting became ‘fashionable’ and incredibly lucrative for the bookies…
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 12, 2024 11:26:52 GMT 1
My original position was give the lad a final chance etc. What kid of message does it send if we just abandon him
However if he's bet on his own team to lose. I just don't think that's acceptable.
The club presumably have justification to rip up his contract and sack him.
If I as KN I'd do that in this case I'm afraid
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 12, 2024 11:39:40 GMT 1
Odd that the Scum journalist fails to mention Toffolo getting fuck all of a punishment in his piece. Or seeing any hypocrisy in doing a piece about the evils of gambling when the rag he works for has it's own gambling website
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 12, 2024 11:54:48 GMT 1
I had all the support for him, but you just don't bet on your own team losing. There'll be a good number on here that have bet against their own team. |
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Post by Arbie 1976. on Feb 12, 2024 12:16:49 GMT 1
My original position was give the lad a final chance etc. What kid of message does it send if we just abandon him However if he's bet on his own team to lose. I just don't think that's acceptable. The club presumably have justification to rip up his contract and sack him. If I as KN I'd do that in this case I'm afraid silly immature child who makes stupid decisions and does recognise he has a talent. |
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Post by monkbar on Feb 12, 2024 12:46:16 GMT 1
I had all the support for him, but you just don't bet on your own team losing. There'll be a good number on here that have bet against their own team. I do it nearly every week. Usually easy money!! |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 12, 2024 13:14:45 GMT 1
My original position was give the lad a final chance etc. What kid of message does it send if we just abandon him However if he's bet on his own team to lose. I just don't think that's acceptable. The club presumably have justification to rip up his contract and sack him. If I as KN I'd do that in this case I'm afraid Is your opinion exactly the same for Harry Toffolo? He also bet against his own team to loose on a number of occasions when he was gambling at the same age as Kian Would you ever want Toff back at Town? |
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