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Post by uptownfunk on Jun 17, 2024 11:15:43 GMT 1
This was always the concern that Duff would come in and give him a fresh start. We know he is toxic and should leave. Do we? No we don’t and it’s not a personality contest anyway. Andy Cole and Teddy Sheringham never spoke and hated each other. Still won the champions league, under a top manager. I’m sure Duff and co can manage the likes of Sorba. He’s just passionate and hates losing. Last year he was not one of the players not pulling his weight under Moore. He tried hard- never had any forwards to find and was moved position often to accommodate other players who were then shite. He defo tailed off but AB scapegoated him publicly, calling him out in a season when other players feigned injury for months and delivered nothing all year. Having said that I can see a championship team coming in for him because stats matter a lot these days when it comes to player purchase and his stats make him a championship player. If that doesn’t happen - because the clubs valuation is not met, then I hope the fans can move past this AB scapegoating narrative and get behind him.
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Post by alfredsterrier on Jun 17, 2024 13:11:28 GMT 1
I don’t know about toxic but he isn’t as good as he thinks he is. The stats are only in his favour because he took every corner and free kick. Anyone in his position is going to have high stats. Personally I don’t see his hard work and athleticism, chasing after a player because he has gone past you and then tripping him up isn’t what is required. He can’t defend. Blackburn obviously decided he wasn’t up to it. I’m not saying he is a bad player just not as good as he could or should be.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jun 17, 2024 13:56:53 GMT 1
It’s amazing. A month of no football and suddenly all is forgiven. He’s clearly arrogant and not willing to put in the effort but it’s ok because Breitenreiter was a dick. If Warnock had said the same everyone would see it as gospel.
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Post by ben1987 on Jun 17, 2024 14:14:19 GMT 1
You’re massively overplaying this bad attitude thing. Everyone is. You make it like they’ve all got an incurable disease, not that anyone really knows who the sufferers even are. They just assume. Players are professional. They want to further their careers either at Town or elsewhere. The team was extremely poorly led and managed last season. We’ve never heard the players side of things. Just remember that. Is it being overplayed? One of our experienced players pinned him up against a wall allegedly The Blackburn loan didn’t exactly prove him to being a Championship stand out player Warnock commented that he’d start an argument in an empty room or something like that. Even Fotheringham turfed him out. He’s not making the Wales squad and to not make their bench at least is a bit odd don’t you think when there’s League 1 players in there. Theres no smoke without fire and think what you like about Bretienreiter, but clearly he wasn’t impressed either. Pinned him? ‘Tossed him about like a ragdoll’
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Post by goodbet on Jun 17, 2024 14:14:55 GMT 1
It’s amazing. A month of no football and suddenly all is forgiven. He’s clearly arrogant and not willing to put in the effort but it’s ok because Breitenreiter was a dick. If Warnock had said the same everyone would see it as gospel. Warnock has a history of getting things right, AB only showed us he was very poor and bitter and twisted when he blamed everyone else for his issues. As for Sorba I can take him or leave him so I don't much care either way.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jun 17, 2024 14:18:18 GMT 1
It’s amazing. A month of no football and suddenly all is forgiven. He’s clearly arrogant and not willing to put in the effort but it’s ok because Breitenreiter was a dick. If Warnock had said the same everyone would see it as gospel. Warnock has a history of getting things right, AB only showed us he was very poor and bitter and twisted when he blamed everyone else for his issues. As for Sorba I can take him or leave him so I don't much care either way. Yes and warnock said sorba could start a fight in an empty room, which suggests breitenreiter was right anyway.
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Post by goodbet on Jun 17, 2024 14:26:12 GMT 1
Warnock has a history of getting things right, AB only showed us he was very poor and bitter and twisted when he blamed everyone else for his issues. As for Sorba I can take him or leave him so I don't much care either way. Yes and warnock said sorba could start a fight in an empty room, which suggests breitenreiter was right anyway. Nothing to suggest AB has any idea that he even knew what direction the truth lay, based on his time with Town.
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Post by impact on Jun 17, 2024 15:10:42 GMT 1
I don’t know about toxic but he isn’t as good as he thinks he is. The stats are only in his favour because he took every corner and free kick. Anyone in his position is going to have high stats. Personally I don’t see his hard work and athleticism, chasing after a player because he has gone past you and then tripping him up isn’t what is required. He can’t defend. Blackburn obviously decided he wasn’t up to it. I’m not saying he is a bad player just not as good as he could or should be. If everyone in his position would have the same stats, how come no one has ever had those stats for us for as long as I can remember, and the only ones who beat him in the league are those at the top? 8th on assists, only a Boro player ahead of him outside of the top 6, and top of the league on both expected assists (so ignoring how shit our finishing was) and chances created for a team who finished 23rd. I find the constant downplaying of him very strange.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 17, 2024 16:42:25 GMT 1
I don’t know about toxic but he isn’t as good as he thinks he is. The stats are only in his favour because he took every corner and free kick. Anyone in his position is going to have high stats. Personally I don’t see his hard work and athleticism, chasing after a player because he has gone past you and then tripping him up isn’t what is required. He can’t defend. Blackburn obviously decided he wasn’t up to it. I’m not saying he is a bad player just not as good as he could or should be. If everyone in his position would have the same stats, how come no one has ever had those stats for us for as long as I can remember, and the only ones who beat him in the league are those at the top? 8th on assists, only a Boro player ahead of him outside of the top 6, and top of the league on both expected assists (so ignoring how shit our finishing was) and chances created for a team who finished 23rd. I find the constant downplaying of him very strange. For years We never created a thing from corners. We used to even sing about it. When Thomas was on form it felt like we could score every time and did quite often. And that was without a proper target man. The difference when Rudoni takes them is clear
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 17, 2024 17:01:32 GMT 1
I don’t know about toxic but he isn’t as good as he thinks he is. The stats are only in his favour because he took every corner and free kick. Anyone in his position is going to have high stats. Personally I don’t see his hard work and athleticism, chasing after a player because he has gone past you and then tripping him up isn’t what is required. He can’t defend. Blackburn obviously decided he wasn’t up to it. I’m not saying he is a bad player just not as good as he could or should be. If everyone in his position would have the same stats, how come no one has ever had those stats for us for as long as I can remember, and the only ones who beat him in the league are those at the top? 8th on assists, only a Boro player ahead of him outside of the top 6, and top of the league on both expected assists (so ignoring how shit our finishing was) and chances created for a team who finished 23rd. I find the constant downplaying of him very strange. People decide something based on unspecific rumours and stick with it relentlessly, ignoring what they see with their own eyes on the actual pitch, the only place that we really should care about. Aside from the stat related stuff, that the EFFORT he put in is being questioned is frankly ludicrous - I'd be surprised if he hadn't covered more ground than *any* of our other players last season.
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Post by kayeb222 on Jun 17, 2024 20:37:53 GMT 1
No we don’t and it’s not a personality contest anyway. Andy Cole and ^Terry Sheringham^ never spoke and hated each other. Still won the champions league, under a top manager. I’m sure Duff and co can manage the likes of Sorba. He’s just passionate and hates losing. Last year he was not one of the players not pulling his weight under Moore. He tried hard- never had any forwards to find and was moved position often to accommodate other players who were then shite. He defo tailed off but AB scapegoated him publicly, calling him out in a season when other players feigned injury for months and delivered nothing all year. Having said that I can see a championship team coming in for him because stats matter a lot these days when it comes to player purchase and his stats make him a championship player. If that doesn’t happen - because the clubs valuation is not met, then I hope the fans can move past this AB scapegoating narrative and get behind him. Terry Sheringham? You mean Teddy I guess? Unless you meant Terry Sheridan who was an actor I think. Lol
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 17, 2024 21:16:45 GMT 1
With Sorba it will depend if we get a good offer. If we do I think he will go. He has played under a few managers at Town but Michael Duff is not a man to suffer fools, whatever their stats, so if he is an irritant in the squad he will go. Duff is building a team on hard work and attitude. Sorba doesn’t seem to struggle with hard work but I don’t think his attitude, unless it changes, will wash under MD.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jun 17, 2024 22:23:18 GMT 1
Is it being overplayed? One of our experienced players pinned him up against a wall allegedly The Blackburn loan didn’t exactly prove him to being a Championship stand out player Warnock commented that he’d start an argument in an empty room or something like that. Even Fotheringham turfed him out. He’s not making the Wales squad and to not make their bench at least is a bit odd don’t you think when there’s League 1 players in there. Theres no smoke without fire and think what you like about Bretienreiter, but clearly he wasn’t impressed either. Pinned him? ‘Tossed him about like a ragdoll’ What have I missed?
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Post by uptownfunk on Jun 18, 2024 14:17:27 GMT 1
Pinned him? ‘Tossed him about like a ragdoll’ What have I missed? Another very old very unsubstantiated rumour that Sorba and Lees had a bust up. Like all dressing rooms are harmonious anyway. If you watch the overlap or any of the old pros there’s always issues in dressing rooms. It’s a competitive sport, a lot of ego and testosterone. Tbh I don’t think there was anywhere near enough anger in towns dressing room last season.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jun 18, 2024 14:27:23 GMT 1
Another very old very unsubstantiated rumour that Sorba and Lees had a bust up. Like all dressing rooms are harmonious anyway. If you watch the overlap or any of the old pros there’s always issues in dressing rooms. It’s a competitive sport, a lot of ego and testosterone. Tbh I don’t think there was anywhere near enough anger in towns dressing room last season. Geniune question Uptownfunk , are you realeted to Sorba in some way ? As you seem very defensive of him, that he has done no wrong at all and there is nothing to be seen ? I am just curious if you have some sort of connection to the lad. As you seem to say that everyone who , has highlighted incidentes , where things have happened regarding Sorba are wrong end of story. I know some of the stories regarding Sorba are true and this is the reason why the club, will are very much open to offers for him.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 18, 2024 14:40:38 GMT 1
I worked out the fecker as a fan after his 3rd game. So, after a win away at Watford, a very creditable draw with 10 men vs a title-chasing team who were the (then) most in-form side in the division, and one (admittedly shite) game away to Cardiff you'd worked out that he was useless? I'm sceptical..
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 18, 2024 14:43:37 GMT 1
The stats are only in his favour because he took every corner and free kick. He only took every corner and free kick because he was (is!) good at them!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 18, 2024 14:46:21 GMT 1
Warnock has a history of getting things right, AB only showed us he was very poor and bitter and twisted when he blamed everyone else for his issues. As for Sorba I can take him or leave him so I don't much care either way. Yes and warnock said sorba could start a fight in an empty room, which suggests breitenreiter was right anyway. Warnock also called Breitenreiter a buffoon - was he right about that as well? In fact he absolutely slated AB and his man management Warnock also made Sorba captain in the preseason game at Stockport (which we won 4-0) so NW can't have had that many issues with him
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Post by uptownfunk on Jun 18, 2024 18:16:28 GMT 1
Another very old very unsubstantiated rumour that Sorba and Lees had a bust up. Like all dressing rooms are harmonious anyway. If you watch the overlap or any of the old pros there’s always issues in dressing rooms. It’s a competitive sport, a lot of ego and testosterone. Tbh I don’t think there was anywhere near enough anger in towns dressing room last season. Geniune question Uptownfunk , are you realeted to Sorba in some way ? As you seem very defensive of him, that he has done no wrong at all and there is nothing to be seen ? I am just curious if you have some sort of connection to the lad. As you seem to say that everyone who , has highlighted incidentes , where things have happened regarding Sorba are wrong end of story. I know some of the stories regarding Sorba are true and this is the reason why the club, will are very much open to offers for him. I think you’re misinterpreting my position. For defensiveness I’d say balance. There’s always a lot of rumour and bs reported on forums and imo a lack of insight into professional sport at times too. I have just tried to provide a bit of balance on this. Imo there’s a fair few fans haven’t don’t will never take to him either. Yes there may have been incidents but how important is/was that? In any case there’s always at least 2 sides to every story in my experience. There were many many factors for our relegation. He was scapegoated by the ex manager and that’s as wrong. I’ve no connection to Sorba. I think he can offer the team a lot on the pitch in league one or a very good profit for Town. If you read my post earlier I’ve been clear on that imo.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 18, 2024 19:27:52 GMT 1
Yes and warnock said sorba could start a fight in an empty room, which suggests breitenreiter was right anyway. Warnock also called Breitenreiter a buffoon - was he right about that as well? In fact he absolutely slated AB and his man management Warnock also made Sorba captain in the preseason game at Stockport (which we won 4-0) so NW can't have had that many issues with him I'm not arguing the main point one way or another but, Warnock also made Adel Taarabt captain even though he used to miss consistently miss training.
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Post by gowlinggoal on Jun 18, 2024 20:46:45 GMT 1
I'm unhappy when our manager makes negative comments about our own players. Ternant, Siewert, Fotheringham all did it previously and I wasn't happy with any of them as our manager.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 18, 2024 21:06:48 GMT 1
Entertaining reading this thread . BALANCE 😂
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Post by ballbag91 on Jun 19, 2024 4:07:17 GMT 1
I'm unhappy when our manager makes negative comments about our own players. Ternant, Siewert, Fotheringham all did it previously and I wasn't happy with any of them as our manager. AB was trying to save face. If he was prepared to call players out publicly he should have been prepared to stick it out and stay at the club and overhaul the squad. He didn't want to do that, and now we could potentially be lumbered with 'bad eggs' as teams won't want to buy them. Personally I would get rid of 90% of the team, but I'm just bitter and annoyed at the lack of character our side has
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Post by goodbet on Jun 19, 2024 10:39:34 GMT 1
I'm unhappy when our manager makes negative comments about our own players. Ternant, Siewert, Fotheringham all did it previously and I wasn't happy with any of them as our manager. AB was trying to save face. If he was prepared to call players out publicly he should have been prepared to stick it out and stay at the club and overhaul the squad. He didn't want to do that, and now we could potentially be lumbered with 'bad eggs' as teams won't want to buy them. Personally I would get rid of 90% of the team, but I'm just bitter and annoyed at the lack of character our side has I agree, but it is the result of years of poor transfer dealing.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jun 20, 2024 22:15:26 GMT 1
Is it being overplayed? One of our experienced players pinned him up against a wall allegedly The Blackburn loan didn’t exactly prove him to being a Championship stand out player Warnock commented that he’d start an argument in an empty room or something like that. Even Fotheringham turfed him out. He’s not making the Wales squad and to not make their bench at least is a bit odd don’t you think when there’s League 1 players in there. Theres no smoke without fire and think what you like about Bretienreiter, but clearly he wasn’t impressed either. Pinned him? ‘Tossed him about like a ragdoll’ I have every reason to believe the altercation with a senior player is true because the uncle of the senior player concerned told me about his nephew "putting a Welsh player in his place over his attitude" before there were any rumours ( and it definitely wasn't me that started them)
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Post by htafcdreams on Jun 20, 2024 22:31:05 GMT 1
Think Sorba has hit his ceiling on performances for Town. If we can get a decent price, get him down the road and get the money re invested on future potential.
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Post by ibby on Jun 21, 2024 0:09:43 GMT 1
No teams have come in for him.
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Post by delroy on Jun 21, 2024 0:28:49 GMT 1
No teams have come in for him. Is that true? How do you know please?
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Post by benhomly on Jun 21, 2024 6:09:32 GMT 1
I'm unhappy when our manager makes negative comments about our own players. Ternant, Siewert, Fotheringham all did it previously and I wasn't happy with any of them as our manager. AB was trying to save face. If he was prepared to call players out publicly he should have been prepared to stick it out and stay at the club and overhaul the squad. He didn't want to do that, and now we could potentially be lumbered with 'bad eggs' as teams won't want to buy them. Personally I would get rid of 90% of the team, but I'm just bitter and annoyed at the lack of character our side has We've just got rid of one allegedly bad egg, I'm sure we'll get rid of a few more
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jun 21, 2024 6:23:38 GMT 1
No teams have come in for him. Gutted, was hoping to open this thread to the exact opposite news to this.
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