|
|
Post by 28901 on Jun 16, 2024 13:24:53 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas is no where near as good as Pilkington or Roberts were for us under Lee Clark. Both contributed far more to the team than Sorba. In terms of goals and overall play. I don't think we have had any stand out wingers since Pilkington to be honest. VLP had his moments, Kacha and Koroma aren't proper wingers, and the less said about the speedy twins the better. Pat Jones has potential but will never stay fit. Get what we can for Sorba and invest in the best two wingers we can get from Leagues one, two or the top end of the conference. What a dream it would be to be lining up with something equivalent to….. Rhodes, Novak, Roberts and Pilks next season. Didn't that lot fail to get us out of league one? |
|
|
|
Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 16, 2024 13:25:16 GMT 1
I could have quoted any number of the replies on his 'attitude' and probably agreed with some of it, at least since his Wales call up. However, from a football point of view, if Duff is going to play 3-5-2 then Sorba doesn't fit into that system at all and needs to be moved on. He's not a striker, and will never be able to play wing back other than in an emergency due to him being utterly inept at defending. PS: I voted for him as player of the season, so this isn't coming from an 'anti Sorba' point of view. I thought he was ok as wingback, as well as his set pieces and crossing he's also got a superb engine and is an athlete. If he can be managed correctly he could be an asset. Depends just how much of a bell he is I guess and none of us can be sure on that point. Hoping the dynamic of the team changes completely and we end up with more grown up senior pros rather than the likes of burgzorg. That might help him or it may be we needs to get rid of Sorba to achieve that. Broadly agree, although his tackling is weak so it wouldn’t be ideal to put him there. I’m also hoping we won’t be playing 3-5-2 every single game, having literally no wingers doesn’t sound like the wisest squad move. If duff stinks the place out the new guy might want to go back to 4-3-3 and then the squad needs another overhaul. |
|
|
|
Post by kwami-hodouto on Jun 16, 2024 13:29:35 GMT 1
What a dream it would be to be lining up with something equivalent to….. Rhodes, Novak, Roberts and Pilks next season. Didn't that lot fail to get us out of league one? Southampton and Brighton finished 1st and 2nd that season. Any other year and we would have gone up automatically. We were very unlucky over those few seasons that there were some big clubs down there with better budgets. Norwich, Leicester, L**ds, Forest. |
|
|
|
Post by brighousebandbred on Jun 16, 2024 13:30:42 GMT 1
I hope the club aren’t being too stubborn here, we need to be pragmatic and realise the likes of Sulky Sorba have a value but we should be looking to refresh and restart. The more we let go from last year the better, whilst we can still get a value for them. If we don’t bounce back their value drops further and we’re stuck with the toxic characters for longer, and let’s face it, they won’t sign new deals so will walk on their own once their contracts are up. The club is a business. Emotions or stubbornness don’t come into it. That’s just for fans etc. The club is a business that’s sole aim is to gain promotion where the business makes far more money. If players aren’t contributing to a great team ethic due to being non team players the business will look into off loading these players even if they don’t gain full market value, because in the long run it’s financially all about getting a team together that can gain promotion. Hopefully he’s sold for top buck but realistically he will be sold no matter what. |
|
|
|
Post by htfcfcfc on Jun 16, 2024 13:32:44 GMT 1
What a dream it would be to be lining up with something equivalent to….. Rhodes, Novak, Roberts and Pilks next season. Didn't that lot fail to get us out of league one? Entertainment and a positive goal difference would be a nice starting point 80+ points wouldn’t harm either. |
|
|
|
Post by Flowerdisco on Jun 16, 2024 13:33:42 GMT 1
If we keep Sorba and he gets his head screwed on right he could terrorise the division. If he acts like the big baby he has been lately then he can go for me.Hes at a point in his career where he can go one of two ways.
|
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 23,955 
|
Post by Tinpot on Jun 16, 2024 13:57:09 GMT 1
He has the ability to terrorise Lg1 but I think it might be best all round if he moves on. It took a fair bit for him to win the fans back around the first time, to do it again seems highly unlikely.
Especially if he's as much of a disruptive influence as I'm led to believe.
|
|
|
|
Post by 28901 on Jun 16, 2024 14:09:48 GMT 1
Didn't that lot fail to get us out of league one? Entertainment and a positive goal difference would be a nice starting point 80+ points wouldn’t harm either. I agree, it's been dire watch since promotion to the PL. But that team should have walked league one, it was a top half championship squad. Got to blame the unhinged Geordie for the failure. |
|
|
|
Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 16, 2024 14:20:19 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven?
I hope he's gone ASAP
|
|
|
|
Post by utttrooper on Jun 16, 2024 14:39:38 GMT 1
I could have quoted any number of the replies on his 'attitude' and probably agreed with some of it, at least since his Wales call up. However, from a football point of view, if Duff is going to play 3-5-2 then Sorba doesn't fit into that system at all and needs to be moved on. He's not a striker, and will never be able to play wing back other than in an emergency due to him being utterly inept at defending. PS: I voted for him as player of the season, so this isn't coming from an 'anti Sorba' point of view. I thought he was ok as wingback, as well as his set pieces and crossing he's also got a superb engine and is an athlete. If he can be managed correctly he could be an asset. Depends just how much of a bell he is I guess and none of us can be sure on that point. Hoping the dynamic of the team changes completely and we end up with more grown up senior pros rather than the likes of burgzorg. That might help him or it may be we needs to get rid of Sorba to achieve that. Plus you can still have one knobhead in the dressing room without it having much of an overall effect if everyone else helps keep him in line and said knobhead playes well enough to jusrify his place in the team. Also from the sounds of it Duff's 3-5-2 is a 3-5-2 as opposed to a Darren Moore 5-3-2 and he'll be more attacking like when he played well at wing back under Carlos. |
|
|
|
Post by uptownfunk on Jun 16, 2024 15:10:34 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. |
|
|
|
Post by royrace on Jun 16, 2024 15:17:41 GMT 1
Didn't that lot fail to get us out of league one? Southampton and Brighton finished 1st and 2nd that season. Any other year and we would have gone up automatically. We were very unlucky over those few seasons that there were some big clubs down there with better budgets. Norwich, Leicester, L**ds, Forest. We had a great squad but a very average manager when it came to coaching. The team always looked poorly coached to me and when we won it was by virtue of having superior players. Hopefully things will be different this time around and we'll have both a very good L1 squad and a manager to match. Time will tell. |
|
|
|
Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 16, 2024 15:27:36 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. So he just made it all up yet Town desperately tried to keep him |
|
|
|
Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 16, 2024 15:40:07 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP Town fans being ostriches. Nothing changes |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2024 17:57:19 GMT 1
This was always the concern that Duff would come in and give him a fresh start. We know he is toxic and should leave. Like some others have said on here I do real struggle with that last sentence. Do we KNOW he is toxic? Or is that simply your general opinion ....which of course is perfectly fine on a forum. There will be poor characters in any workplace and some of those are irredeemable. I have absolutely no evidence to base an opinion of toxic on sorba. It sounds like he might have had some run ins with team mates and does seem to be one of those characters that needs to feel loved. I suspect it's better for all parties for him to move on IF we get the right deal and reinvest. I've seen so many players for which there seems a slightly irrational hatred or inability to give them an even break. Cowling was the first I remember. I don't think Cowling was hated,people just thought he was soft and wouldn't tackle which was probably true.He was one of the better players and a very good crosser of a ball. |
|
|
|
Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jun 16, 2024 18:06:32 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. 'A lot of very naive people' So that would include the owner then, who firmly backed up what was said by AB, along with a number of other people connected with the club (who aren't players) |
|
|
|
Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jun 16, 2024 18:07:46 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP Town fans being ostriches. Nothing changes It's incredible really, the evidence has been there for all to see for such a long time now, but yet they still choose to ignore it. Very strange people indeed. |
|
|
|
Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 16, 2024 18:10:22 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. Not sure how you can say anyone was very naive for believing what he said - the performances under various managers backed up what he was saying, if he says it is the worst he has seen in all his years in football & KN wanted to keep him, there may well have been a lot of truth in it. What evidence do you have that people believing this are very naive? |
|
|
|
Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Jun 16, 2024 18:30:38 GMT 1
Southampton and Brighton finished 1st and 2nd that season. Any other year and we would have gone up automatically. We were very unlucky over those few seasons that there were some big clubs down there with better budgets. Norwich, Leicester, L**ds, Forest. We had a great squad but a very average manager when it came to coaching. The team always looked poorly coached to me and when we won it was by virtue of having superior players. Hopefully things will be different this time around and we'll have both a very good L1 squad and a manager to match. Time will tell. Oh oh ooh eh ! we were shyte wi shyteish plyers |
|
|
|
Post by bluebeard on Jun 16, 2024 18:33:46 GMT 1
Over rated and what did he say when he went to Blackburn "nice to be at a club who knows what their doing" he was probably right but they obviously didn't rate him.
|
|
|
|
Post by King Neil on Jun 16, 2024 18:41:29 GMT 1
Are we just ignoring AB now then and everything is forgiven? I hope he's gone ASAP Take anything AB says with a pinch of salt Complete C##t |
|
|
|
Post by 28901 on Jun 16, 2024 21:56:24 GMT 1
I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. So he just made it all up yet Town desperately tried to keep him Not that desperately and the clubs decision making stinks anyway, so he can do one. His attitude was as bad as any of the players, his team selections were terrible, subs worse,tactis as bad as Moores. Dodged a bullet. |
|
|
|
Post by uptownfunk on Jun 16, 2024 22:53:41 GMT 1
I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. 'A lot of very naive people' So that would include the owner then, who firmly backed up what was said by AB, along with a number of other people connected with the club (who aren't players) Firmly? Nah. He was totally lukewarm in the comments he had for AB. I liked him and respected him. Blah blah He said that purely to save face of his guys he’s put in charge. He thought he was so shit and such a bad fit that he made them both re-interview for their own jobs. Actions speak louder than words. |
|
|
|
Post by uptownfunk on Jun 16, 2024 23:12:37 GMT 1
I always ignored him. A lot of very naive people who took his comments at face value. He wasn’t about Huddersfield Town. That was very evident from his performance and his comments. Not sure how you can say anyone was very naive for believing what he said - the performances under various managers backed up what he was saying, if he says it is the worst he has seen in all his years in football & KN wanted to keep him, there may well have been a lot of truth in it. What evidence do you have that people believing this are very naive? Naive in that André very clearly had his own agenda- his career and his reputation. All that slagging off the players in public wasn’t to help the players or the club more importantly. I could understand it fans valued Neil Warnock’s comments because he really did like the town fans and the club (not always of even often the owners) AB already threw the Dof & exec under the bus in public a week earlier saying he was falsely sold the job. That was piss poor in itself. When you’re a leader of people you take responsibility for your own decisions even if they they don’t work out favourably. Own your own shit. You don’t go crying to the media - they didn’t tell me some players would lbe lazy or feign injury wah wah wah.. That told me what sort of man we were dealing with and I’d already given up on him keeping us up pretty much because it felt like he’d given up on the team/club - the formation against Swansea, the subs in several matches, Healey in midfield, various things. Looked like he’d given up long before to me. So yeah not only did I ignore what he said I distrusted it. I think with his record - which was overblown - and that first win - fans understandably got behind him but he was just dreadful. Negative. Bland. Uninspiring. He didn’t appear to have done any research in the job or the league or the squad. Didn’t know players best decisions. Tbh for me there was nothing positive that came out of that whole appointment or really the whole season. The Moore tenure was equally ineffective and poor. I’d have sacked both of them in half the time they were given. |
|
|
|
Post by 28901 on Jun 16, 2024 23:17:44 GMT 1
Not sure how you can say anyone was very naive for believing what he said - the performances under various managers backed up what he was saying, if he says it is the worst he has seen in all his years in football & KN wanted to keep him, there may well have been a lot of truth in it. What evidence do you have that people believing this are very naive? Naive in that André very clearly had his own agenda- his career and his reputation. All that slagging off the players in public wasn’t to help the players or the club more importantly. I could understand it fans valued Neil Warnock’s comments because he really did like the town fans and the club (not always of even often the owners) AB already threw the Dof & exec under the bus in public a week earlier saying he was falsely sold the job. That was piss poor in itself. When you’re a leader of people you take responsibility for your own decisions even if they they don’t work out favourably. Own your own shit. You don’t go crying to the media - they didn’t tell me some players would lbe lazy or feign injury wah wah wah.. That told me what sort of man we were dealing with and I’d already given up on him keeping us up pretty much because it felt like he’d given up on the team/club - the formation against Swansea, the subs in several matches, Healey in midfield, various things. Looked like he’d given up long before to me. So yeah not only did I ignore what he said I distrusted it. I think with his record - which was overblown - and that first win - fans understandably got behind him but he was just dreadful. Negative. Bland. Uninspiring. He didn’t appear to have done any research in the job or the league or the squad. Didn’t know players best decisions. Tbh for me there was nothing positive that came out of that whole appointment or really the whole season. The Moore tenure was equally ineffective and poor. I’d have sacked both of them in half the time they were given. All this. 👏 |
|
|
|
Post by philatrickstarbuck on Jun 17, 2024 0:36:45 GMT 1
Not sure how you can say anyone was very naive for believing what he said - the performances under various managers backed up what he was saying, if he says it is the worst he has seen in all his years in football & KN wanted to keep him, there may well have been a lot of truth in it. What evidence do you have that people believing this are very naive? Naive in that André very clearly had his own agenda- his career and his reputation. All that slagging off the players in public wasn’t to help the players or the club more importantly. I could understand it fans valued Neil Warnock’s comments because he really did like the town fans and the club (not always of even often the owners) AB already threw the Dof & exec under the bus in public a week earlier saying he was falsely sold the job. That was piss poor in itself. When you’re a leader of people you take responsibility for your own decisions even if they they don’t work out favourably. Own your own shit. You don’t go crying to the media - they didn’t tell me some players would lbe lazy or feign injury wah wah wah.. That told me what sort of man we were dealing with and I’d already given up on him keeping us up pretty much because it felt like he’d given up on the team/club - the formation against Swansea, the subs in several matches, Healey in midfield, various things. Looked like he’d given up long before to me. So yeah not only did I ignore what he said I distrusted it. I think with his record - which was overblown - and that first win - fans understandably got behind him but he was just dreadful. Negative. Bland. Uninspiring. He didn’t appear to have done any research in the job or the league or the squad. Didn’t know players best decisions. Tbh for me there was nothing positive that came out of that whole appointment or really the whole season. The Moore tenure was equally ineffective and poor. I’d have sacked both of them in half the time they were given. Spot on, what a shite appointment. I worked out the fecker as a fan after his 3rd game. The powers that be got this so wrong. |
|
|
|
Post by Richard1986 on Jun 17, 2024 0:48:18 GMT 1
Being realistic Sorba’s set pieces and Helik on the end of them was about our only attacking threat last season. Maybe the manager can get a tune out of Sorba? Perhaps as a central attacking midfielder behind a front two. Warnock and Jepo were able to get something out of him…. Yeah lets play him in a central position when the only thing he is good at is crossing  The only way I can see him producing is in a free roll as attacking attacking central mid in a 3-5-2 (given that’s how the new manager seems to want to play).He doesn’t have to stay central or tackle and and go where he wants as long as he is producing goals and assists . Could stick him on a wing in a 4-4-2. But either way you put Rudoni or Sorba in the team and judge them by passes, goals and assists. Getting the best out of a flair player with a bad attitude is part of the managers job imo |
|
|
|
Post by townarentbest on Jun 17, 2024 10:08:09 GMT 1
Duff has met with Sorba and the two have had positive talks. Championship interest in him but he’ll only go for the right price. He’s one of the clubs most expensive assets. This was always the concern that Duff would come in and give him a fresh start. We know he is toxic and should leave. Do we? |
|
|
|
Post by Detective Boyle on Jun 17, 2024 10:42:38 GMT 1
This was always the concern that Duff would come in and give him a fresh start. We know he is toxic and should leave. Do we? We being the ones who haven’t lived under a rock for the past 2 years |
|
|
|
Post by dezzly on Jun 17, 2024 11:11:02 GMT 1
Difficult with sorba because I never bought into or saw this lack of effort thing with him when playing to be honest.right up to the last couple of games,then that changed.Probably down to Andre’s comments and subsequent omission from the side.
That said it’s time he left because I think his ship has sailed with town.
I’d imagine there is plenty of interest and that he will go at some point in the window.
If he hasn’t gone before the first friendly we will probably find out if duff is planning for life with him here or without at that point.
|
|
