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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 22, 2023 18:56:41 GMT 1
You OK Dunc? We're all worried about your blood pressure. Fit as fiddle. as I said Nagle promised honesty. Failed at his first big hurdle. In What respect |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 22, 2023 18:58:31 GMT 1
When would have been a good time for him to take over? Unless we waited for the next international break. Why would they tell Warnock at WBA that his last game would be Stoke if it hadn't been decided there was someone to replace him? Why leave him in charge for anymore games? Fall out or not Warnock was clearly trying to put out a squad that would win games, none of the new ownership team appear to be idiots and would realise that a caretaker manager wasn't the way to go, so if there was a fall out they would wait until they had someone and then shove Neil out the door overnight. This didn't happen. Warnock himself has said he thought he would be replaced at Christmas although Jepson thought they might be here until the summer. That would appear to a breakdown in communication between Warnock and Jepson. It is clear that Warnock knew that he would be replaced when someone suitable came along. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? You miss the point. I never said conspiracy. Nagle promised honesty. Clearly warnock was sacked. That’s what he will be saying and already is, Talksport only got their info from him. Rubbish. Short term contract Warnock knew just not when |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 22, 2023 18:59:33 GMT 1
You miss the point. I never said conspiracy. Nagle promised honesty. Clearly warnock was sacked. That’s what he will be saying and already is, Talksport only got their info from him. I don't think I've missed anything. Talksport talk shit they want to produce fuss and arguement. The following is a direct quote for Neil Warnock in yesterdays Yorkshire Post "" But the club have been good regarding the commitment to the contracts etc. They're not pulling one over or anything. I like Jake Edwards (CEO) and I think he'll be a really good leader for the club. "I can't remember ever having a send-off like that. Isn't it lovely and rewarding to finish on a day like today. "It might have been different regarding the timing, but I knew it was going to be happen - Christmas or January, bring someone in to give them the window." Yes he wanted to stay but had agreed to step aside when the club identified somebody they want - they did, he stepped aside with regrets but it was something he agreed to. Nagle and Edwards have been honest as far as I can see. Totally agree |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 22, 2023 19:33:11 GMT 1
Oh FFS. Fuck-off with your ill-informed, amateur dramatic conspiracy theories and stop derailing yet another thread. You can’t even present an accurate quote. You think we’re gonna lose, we get it. Just keep on topic and say that. Move on. And save your soap operas for your shitcoms. *apologies to those not unhinged. I snapped. We’ve had a week of this bollocks. Hardly a conspiracy theory, if you believe the spin the club put out fine but don’t have a go at supporters who can see through the blindingly obvious. Edwards lied to supporters that’s a fact not supposition. One minute they are appointing because they wanted to do so from a position of strength not when we are bottom. Yet turns out they offer another manager the job when they were bottom. If you can’t see that then fine but don’t have a go at those that can. It is though. It’s all bollocks. And folk with good knowledge have debunked this all week. You have zero evidence to suggest Edwards lied. You’re not fuming with Warnock for lieing, even when he stated he had no idea who the new manager was. There’s no reason not to believe it. And there’s absolutely no reason to be chatting that shite on this thread. |
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Post by Tiro on Sept 22, 2023 19:44:12 GMT 1
When would have been a good time for him to take over? Unless we waited for the next international break. Why would they tell Warnock at WBA that his last game would be Stoke if it hadn't been decided there was someone to replace him? Why leave him in charge for anymore games? Fall out or not Warnock was clearly trying to put out a squad that would win games, none of the new ownership team appear to be idiots and would realise that a caretaker manager wasn't the way to go, so if there was a fall out they would wait until they had someone and then shove Neil out the door overnight. This didn't happen. Warnock himself has said he thought he would be replaced at Christmas although Jepson thought they might be here until the summer. That would appear to a breakdown in communication between Warnock and Jepson. It is clear that Warnock knew that he would be replaced when someone suitable came along. Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? You miss the point. I never said conspiracy. Nagle promised honesty. Clearly warnock was sacked. That’s what he will be saying and already is, Talksport only got their info from him. You’re basing all your grievances on the words from TalkSport!? 😂 |
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Post by hotshot on Sept 22, 2023 20:30:43 GMT 1
Hardly a conspiracy theory, if you believe the spin the club put out fine but don’t have a go at supporters who can see through the blindingly obvious. Edwards lied to supporters that’s a fact not supposition. One minute they are appointing because they wanted to do so from a position of strength not when we are bottom. Yet turns out they offer another manager the job when they were bottom. If you can’t see that then fine but don’t have a go at those that can. It is though. It’s all bollocks. And folk with good knowledge have debunked this all week. You have zero evidence to suggest Edwards lied. You’re not fuming with Warnock for lieing, even when he stated he had no idea who the new manager was. There’s no reason not to believe it. And there’s absolutely no reason to be chatting that shite on this thread. Edwards said at 15:26 of the Warnock press conference: “We wanted to make a decision from a position of strength… what we didn’t want to do was make it from a position of weakness, when your at the bottom of the league, when results aren’t going for you” We then hear Warnock say he was told after the West Brom game so a decision must have been made prior to that when we were down at the bottom, and then when Moore was asked today when he was approached Cartwright jumped in to stop Moore answering and obfuscate the issue. My point is they are not being honest. If’s all bollocks as you say why not address that head on? The whole way this has been handled has been shocking. Edwards even had a dig at the results earlier in the season. I imagine the full story will come out in the fullness of time but it leaves a sour taste in the mouth. |
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Sept 22, 2023 20:31:04 GMT 1
Lack of prep will bring on a defeat. No training till Saturday ? Feel that Jake has lied to whole fan base. If warnock was told after the West Brom game - before the international break - how has it taken so long ? Well because all that “this person has become available and we had to act now”… is total Bollox. Warnock - Nagle fell out. Now we go into a game with a manger who has barely any time to get to know his squad. Nagle promised honesty and clarity. Didn’t last long. Oh FFS. Fuck-off with your ill-informed, amateur dramatic conspiracy theories and stop derailing yet another thread. You can’t even present an accurate quote. You think we’re gonna lose, we get it. Just keep on topic and say that. Move on. And save your soap operas for your shitcoms. *apologies to those not unhinged. I snapped. We’ve had a week of this bollocks. It's been more than a week where Dunc is concerned. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 22, 2023 21:10:04 GMT 1
They're away at Swansea tomorrow. TBH the way Swansea have started I wouldn't be surprised by that. |
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 23, 2023 13:59:29 GMT 1
You miss the point. I never said conspiracy. Nagle promised honesty. Clearly warnock was sacked. That’s what he will be saying and already is, Talksport only got their info from him. Rubbish. Short term contract Warnock knew just not when Warnock stabilised a sinking ship, like we all know it was temp, the new era begins all we can do is hope. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 23, 2023 19:59:00 GMT 1
People saying Cov City are on a bad run but I'm not convinced. They've not picked up many points, but that's because they've drawn most of their games so far.
They're still unbeaten at home and one of their two defeats was a 2-1 away at Leicester.
A point on Monday would be a cracking result.
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Post by nutjacker on Sept 23, 2023 20:38:26 GMT 1
Very tough game and we’ll be big underdogs but hopefully we’ll have a good go like at West Brom
Despite losing their best two players and drawing 4 of their opening 7 games Cov still have a strong squad and I expect them to finish top half. But on our day we can surprise lots of teams in this league
As tinpot said, a draw will be a cracking result
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Post by boooothy on Sept 23, 2023 20:57:59 GMT 1
As someone said before Dazza has had since the West Brom game to prepare for this one. I’m expecting a master plan.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 23, 2023 22:41:20 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win.
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 23, 2023 22:53:38 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win. The real fans will be there to find out. |
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Post by htafcokay on Sept 23, 2023 23:11:26 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win. Simon Grayson also won his first game in charge. |
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Post by softboy on Sept 23, 2023 23:14:05 GMT 1
Really hope we don’t loose this one or the knives will really be out for Nagle and Moore.
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Post by durhamterrier on Sept 24, 2023 8:09:34 GMT 1
Fancy Darren Moore to get a tune out of these players tomorrow . He builds on a solid base but wants attacking football. Coventry are a good team but started slowly and lost a couple of very good players.
Nichols
Thomas Pearson Helik Nakayama Headley
Wiles Rudoni Hogg (if fit)
Burgzorg Koroma
Think it’ll be a tough game and maybe a score draw
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 24, 2023 9:25:14 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win. Simon Grayson also won his first game in charge. Quite right he did, 2-0 against Exeter. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 24, 2023 9:31:14 GMT 1
Really hope we don’t loose this one or the knives will really be out for Nagle and Moore. But that's ridiculous, certainly on Moore, I know we're all a bit pissed off on Warnock leaving and it remains to be seen whether this is going to back fire on us, even if it does and we get relegated I hope he stays on because the last 4 managers have been strung up by the crap quality of the squad, I know Warnock did ok, but that's because of his wealth of experience. Just hope he gets time and some brass. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 24, 2023 9:33:50 GMT 1
Really hope we don’t loose this one or the knives will really be out for Nagle and Moore. Only the short sighted attention seekers |
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Post by irverino on Sept 24, 2023 9:58:31 GMT 1
Four games in twelve days (3 away) leaves no time to meddle, with such a short gap since been hired it will be a case of 'as you were' for now.......Doubt the lads will get a week off next international break.
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Post by ram on Sept 24, 2023 10:06:57 GMT 1
Really hope we don’t loose this one or the knives will really be out for Nagle and Moore. But that's ridiculous, certainly on Moore, I know we're all a bit pissed off on Warnock leaving and it remains to be seen whether this is going to back fire on us, even if it does and we get relegated I hope he stays on because the last 4 managers have been strung up by the crap quality of the squad, I know Warnock did ok, but that's because of his wealth of experience. Just hope he gets time and some brass. Just depends on what you consider as "brass".Strikers cost more than pin money. |
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Post by araucaria on Sept 24, 2023 10:22:09 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win. You might say that it's even worse away from home. The last Town manager to win his first away league game? Neil Warnock, 3-2 at Rotherham in 1993. Simon Grayson managed a 2-2 draw at Stevenage, but we were 2-0 up, and then he lost a 3-goal lead at Bury. Robins, Powell, Wagner, Siewert, Cowleys, Corberan, Schofield, Fotheringham and Warnock (Second Coming) all lost and only Warnock won his first home game. In order, the away results were 6-1, 3-0 (at Leeds), 3-1, 5-0, 4-2, 3-0, 2-1, 3-1, 4-0. Grayson, Ternent and Jackson (second time) are only ones since Warnock in 1993 to manage a draw. Wadsworth was seconds away from a point at Plymouth. I make that 16 losses and 3 draws. Of the caretakers, Gerry Murphy drew and Lillis, Hudson, Schofield and Narcis all lost. Was Mel Machin actually a caretaker, or did he assist Wadsworth like Buxton did with Ian Ross? Clutching at straws. Steve Smith was the last one to win his first away in this division, as recently as 1986. It's got to end sometime. Big Ern - where's my party invite? |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Sept 24, 2023 10:56:42 GMT 1
Hopeful the loss of Gyokeres and Hamer has weakened them significantly and our players aren’t too depressed with the loss of Neil and Ronnie. 0-1 Burgzorg It's got to hurt when you lose 2 of the best players in last seasons championship, early days but only 1 win so far and below us in the table, hopefully still will be after Monday. |
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Post by araucaria on Sept 24, 2023 13:50:29 GMT 1
39 permanent Town managers (including wartime) first away league game: W6 D5 L28.
9 caretakers (excluding Mel Machin whose first game I'm unsure about) D2 L7.
Only 3 managers won both their first home and away games: Ambrose Langley, Bill Shankly and Steve Smith (initially as caretaker). Tom Johnston did it in his second spell after Bobby Collins left. Since someone does it every 30 or 40 years, why not Darren in 2023-24? And if he's loses on Monday, well he's in good company, including Chapman.
Only counting first spells for Johnston, Jackson and Warnock and first away game in charge as caretaker and made permanent later eg Steve Smith (but not Ian Greaves as caretaker in 1964).
It's a good thing that a new manager bounce isn't judged on the first couple of games.
Edit: think Mel lost his first game, away at Notts County, so 8 losers out of 10 for the caretakers.
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Post by bleaklow on Sept 24, 2023 14:10:16 GMT 1
Lying not lieing.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 24, 2023 14:42:27 GMT 1
39 permanent Town managers (including wartime) first away league game: W6 D5 L28. 9 caretakers (excluding Mel Machin whose first game I'm unsure about) D2 L7. Only 3 managers won both their first home and away games: Ambrose Langley, Bill Shankly and Steve Smith (initially as caretaker). Tom Johnston did it in his second spell after Bobby Collins left. Since someone does it every 30 or 40 years, why not Darren in 2023-24? And if he's loses on Monday, well he's in good company, including Chapman. Only counting first spells for Johnston, Jackson and Warnock and first away game in charge as caretaker and made permanent later eg Steve Smith (but not Ian Greaves as caretaker in 1964). It's a good thing that a new manager bounce isn't judged on the first couple of games. Edit: think Mel lost his first game, away at Notts County, so 8 losers out of 10 for the caretakers. Wasn't Nel Machin's first game the 4-0 home ein over Chesterfield, you might be right about that's Notts game. I did actually go to that Notts game, think it was 3-2. |
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Post by JG Mellor on Sept 24, 2023 16:32:24 GMT 1
How many Town managers start their regime with a win? Not many, Warnock and the last one before that was Lee Clark, don't expect anything other than a Coventry win. The real fans will be there to find out. Hahahaha - prick. |
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Post by drewden on Sept 24, 2023 19:31:10 GMT 1
This thread could go to a new level tomorrow at 21.40.
Prey to God we win or draw.
Saying that I see there is 71 votes to lose.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 24, 2023 19:45:22 GMT 1
This thread could go to a new level tomorrow at 21.40. Prey to God we win or draw. Saying that I see there is 71 votes to lose. Dunno. Reckon the vast majority aren't gonna lose their shit.....unless it's 5 goals plus. |
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