rickrast
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Post by rickrast on Apr 10, 2024 13:46:14 GMT 1
Oh aye.. We are going to piss league one.. 😂😂 Aka the third tier (or 'tear' in our case). |
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Post by detox on Apr 10, 2024 13:52:31 GMT 1
Stockport, Wrexham...Mansfield Town....what's not to like , throw in Lincoln, Reading, Wycombe and of course Shrewsbury Town...
Happy days..
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Post by willo on Apr 10, 2024 14:06:59 GMT 1
I hope there have been some full and frank discussions this morning in training and a drumming home of how desperate the situation has become. It’s a time for strong characters and leadership, it doesn’t get more “tin hat time” than where we are right now and the players need to step up. We can still get out of this mess and we are fortunate in our upcoming games as to opposition but the players need it ramming home. It’s times like this you find out who you want next to you in the trenches.
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Post by softboy on Apr 10, 2024 14:42:55 GMT 1
And who exactly is going to tell the players. I didn’t see a lack of effort at Preston but I did see a bunch of players who weren’t sure what they were supposed to do and a Manager/Head Coach who made some of the worst substitutions I have ever seen. To settle for a point at Rotherham and make appropriate subs and then go for a win at Preston and completely ignore the defensive part of the game is bizarre at best.
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Apr 10, 2024 15:17:25 GMT 1
Personally, I think we will be very lucky to survive at this point. Wednesday seem to have some momentum and will probably finish above us, and our goal difference being so sh*t means that we are basically hoping that Brum and Plymouth don't win any more games.
I also think that we could quite easily become an average league one club like Charlton have. Either that or become like Rotherham and Barnsley, making it up only to go straight back down. It took Ipswich and Sunderland quite a few years and hefty investment to get out. Add to that teams like Wrexham coming up with money to burn.
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Post by willo on Apr 10, 2024 15:17:43 GMT 1
And who exactly is going to tell the players. I didn’t see a lack of effort at Preston but I did see a bunch of players who weren’t sure what they were supposed to do and a Manager/Head Coach who made some of the worst substitutions I have ever seen. To settle for a point at Rotherham and make appropriate subs and then go for a win at Preston and completely ignore the defensive part of the game is bizarre at best. Agreed. The manager needs to be looking at himself in all this as he’s far from blameless. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 10, 2024 15:20:43 GMT 1
I hope there have been some full and frank discussions this morning in training and a drumming home of how desperate the situation has become. It’s a time for strong characters and leadership, it doesn’t get more “tin hat time” than where we are right now and the players need to step up. We can still get out of this mess and we are fortunate in our upcoming games as to opposition but the players need it ramming home. It’s times like this you find out who you want next to you in the trenches. Your Avatar is quite apt in this instance… |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 10, 2024 16:03:25 GMT 1
And who exactly is going to tell the players. I didn’t see a lack of effort at Preston but I did see a bunch of players who weren’t sure what they were supposed to do and a Manager/Head Coach who made some of the worst substitutions I have ever seen. To settle for a point at Rotherham and make appropriate subs and then go for a win at Preston and completely ignore the defensive part of the game is bizarre at best. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here honestly but I just want to clarify the facts... Last nights subs - 1-1 69 min - Matos (on a yellow card and 'the game passing him by' (not my words but Glennon's & Oggy's) who was at fault for their first goal whether that be down to a very poor touch or foul (and IMO it was a foul, Keane just got a toe on it before being brought down)) subbed for Healey. Wiles subsequently drops into CM alongside Kasumu. 1-1 76 min - Burgzorg subbed for Ward. Like for like. Nothing too controversial here. 77 min - Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Pace with Jones who has had a few decent cameo appearances (admittedly last night wasn't one of them). 2-1 87 min - Wiles subbed for Radulovic. Chasing the game with 3 strikers on the pitch (Ward, Healey, Radulovic). Preston scored in 87 min shortly after the substitution. Rotherham away 0-0 HT - Kasumu subbed for Wiles. Thomas sent off 58 min. Down to 10 men. 90+3 min - Spencer subbed for Edwards. Like for like. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 10, 2024 16:16:17 GMT 1
And who exactly is going to tell the players. I didn’t see a lack of effort at Preston but I did see a bunch of players who weren’t sure what they were supposed to do and a Manager/Head Coach who made some of the worst substitutions I have ever seen. To settle for a point at Rotherham and make appropriate subs and then go for a win at Preston and completely ignore the defensive part of the game is bizarre at best. I'm not trying to be antagonistic here honestly but I just want to clarify the facts... Last nights subs - 1-1 69 min - Matos (on a yellow card and 'the game passing him by' (not my words but Glennon's & Oggy's) who was at fault for there first goal whether that be down to a very poor touch or foul (and IMO it was a foul, Keane just got a toe on it before being brought down)) subbed for Healey. Wiles subsequently drops into CM alongside Kasumu. 1-1 76 min - Burgzorg subbed for Ward. Like for like. Nothing too controversial here. 77 min - Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Pace with Jones who has had a few decent cameo appearances (admittedly last night wasn't one of those). 2-1 87 min - Wiles subbed for Radulovic. Chasing the game with 2 strikers on the pitch. Preston scored in 87 min shortly after the substitution. Rotherham away 0-0 HT - Kasumu subbed for Wiles. Thomas sent off 58 min. Down to 10 men. 90+3 min - Spencer subbed for Edwards. Like for like. Good post that highlights how fine the margins are, especially in our situation. What irks me is that I like strikers on the pitch from the start. We went from no strikers for the lions share of the match to three strikers at the death when we pretty much imploded. Again, it’s a fine margins situation as if we had snatched a late winner, then we would be calling AB a brave and brilliant footballing coach! |
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Post by softboy on Apr 10, 2024 19:31:48 GMT 1
Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Really.
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 10, 2024 19:34:29 GMT 1
Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Really. Winger for winger, so yes, like for like. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 10, 2024 19:36:37 GMT 1
Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Really. Both wide players Both disappointing Admittedly Koroma scored 😉 |
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 10, 2024 20:14:53 GMT 1
Stockport, Wrexham...Mansfield Town....what's not to like , throw in Lincoln, Reading, Wycombe and of course Shrewsbury Town... Happy days.. It may not have been your intention but your post illustrates perfectly why I really really REALLY hope we stay up. |
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 10, 2024 20:17:29 GMT 1
Koroma subbed for Jones. Like for like. Really. Both wide players Both disappointing Admittedly Koroma scored 😉 Can't argue with any of that but I will standby the point I was making re. softboy's assertion of being 'some of the worst substitutions I have ever seen'. Positionally wise they were both playing on the wing albeit rotating on the right or left with Sorba. Hardly an unfathomable substitution. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Apr 10, 2024 20:19:19 GMT 1
We've had the worst goal difference in all 4 divisions since 2012. We've only had one season with a positive goal difference back when we were shafted by Jon Moss at Wembley. I think it's time to accept our luck has finally run out. TBF not sure how you can mention Wembley 2022 and also imply we've had a long spell of luck that's running out. |
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 10, 2024 22:16:21 GMT 1
We've had the worst goal difference in all 4 divisions since 2012. We've only had one season with a positive goal difference back when we were shafted by Jon Moss at Wembley. I think it's time to accept our luck has finally run out. TBF not sure how you can mention Wembley 2022 and also imply we've had a long spell of luck that's running out. Good point |
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Yuta be a terrier
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Apr 11, 2024 0:00:34 GMT 1
Despite the nature of last nights result, are we actually just achieving the results that would be expected?
Last 6
Play off challenger away -lost
Relegation rival at home - won
Relegation rival away - draw
Play off challenger at home - lost
Bottom of the table away - draw
Play off challenger at home - lost
There's only the Millwall and Rotherham games we were favourites for.
Looking at what's left
Midtable side away - draw?
Midtable side home - win?
Relegation rival home - win?
Automatic challenger away - lose?
Following the logic then there's definitely another 7 points we could reasonably expect there. 50 would be enough to survive in my opinion.
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Post by kayeb222 on Apr 11, 2024 1:40:50 GMT 1
Despite the nature of last nights result, are we actually just achieving the results that would be expected? Last 6 Play off challenger away -lost Relegation rival at home - won Relegation rival away - draw Play off challenger at home - lost Bottom of the table away - draw Play off challenger at home - lost There's only the Millwall and Rotherham games we were favourites for. Looking at what's left Midtable side away - draw? Midtable side home - win? Relegation rival home - win? Automatic challenger away - lose? Following the logic then there's definitely another 7 points we could reasonably expect there. 50 would be enough to survive in my opinion. I think we are more likely to get draw,draw,win,loss. Will 5 points be enough? |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Apr 11, 2024 2:37:30 GMT 1
We are currently on 43 points, with 4 games to go.
Rotherham are obviously already relegated so that's one spot sewn up.
2 spots left. I think it'll be 2 of us, Brum, Wednesday and Plymouth. That said, Stoke and Blackburn are only 1 point ahead of Plymouth, and Millwall and QPR only 1 further point ahead of those two (4 points ahead of us)
For this analysis, let's look at Blackburn, Stoke, Plymouth, Us, Sheffield Wednesday and Birminghams run in.
18th Placed Blackburn on 46
Leeds away
Sheffield Wednesday Home
Coventry Home
Leicester Away
Potentially the hardest run of the lot. Leeds and Leicester away, both of whom are fighting not only for automatic promotion but for the title. Doesn't mean they are unbeatable, but away at their grounds is difficult. Then they have Coventry who may possibly be in the mix of playoffs and Sheffield Wednesday who aren't rolling over.
19th Placed Stoke, also on 46 points
Sheffield Wednesday Away
Plymouth Home
Southampton Away
Bistol Away
This is an interesting run in. I hope they pick up their points against Wednesday and Plymouth. 6 points against those 2 would see them safe, and do us a favor. My hope (although I think we are going down) is we stay up along with Stoke so we keep chadders around!
20th Plymouth on 45 points (2 ahead of us)
Leicester at Home
Stoke Away
Milwall Away
Hull Home
They have picked up 4 points from the last 6. Their matches against Stoke and Milwall are huge. I think a win and a draw will see them safe, potentially just a win.
21st is us, on 43 points
Bristol Away
Swansea Home
Brum Home
Ipswich Away
I think it's been made pretty clear from our fan base that our best chances of picking up wins are the home games. The match against Birmingham is shaping to be huge. Bristol are unbeaten in 4 including 3 wins. It's going to be a tough assignment to get anything, a draw wouldn't be the worst result but we do need wins. I personally think we will be relegated, but a sneaky result could change things drastically, it's that close.
RELEGATION ZONE
22nd Sheffield Wednesday also on 43 points (-8 worse GD than us)
Stoke Home
Blackburn Away
West Brom Home
Sunderland Away
We have both taken 5 points from the last 15 on offer. I think their season could hinge on their next 2 games. Beat either or both of Blackburn and Stoke and they may be alright, especially as it drags them right back into it. I'm undecided if these teams playing each other is a good thing, or a bad thing for us. It does mean that teams around us will drop points, but double edged sword - it means someone will pick up points! 4 straight losses here would be ideal, but I don't think they done.
23rd Birmingham on 42 points
Coventry Home
Rotherham Away
Us Away
Norwich Home
Interesting run in, much like Plymouth, their fixtures suggest that their away games are their better chances to pick up points (and yes, I know that means us!). They have the worst points accumulated over the last 5 games from anyone in the league (3 from 15).
What does this all mean? Well we know that surprise results can crop up at anytime, and with only 4 games left for everyone (for teams in the relegation battle anyway), getting wins is incredibly important and can change the landscape quickly. Even a sneaking a draw could be good for us, with Brum only 1 point us with a better GD.... Small margins here!
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Post by swam4mwg on Apr 11, 2024 6:19:10 GMT 1
The whole Championship is bizzare this season. Town are crap, but so are quite a few other teams. Town look like a team destined to go down, but nothing is certain. Very strange this season
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Post by jim100 on Apr 11, 2024 7:28:04 GMT 1
Results went our way last night but unless there is some miracle on the playing front and things improve drastically we are going down. At best I think it delays the inevitable. The nightmare scenario for me is that we win the two homes games and need something at Ipswich. We all know how that will go . I cannot see any scenario where we get anything at Bristol City
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 11, 2024 8:29:42 GMT 1
It's in our hands still amazingly.
It's whether the players and staff want it enough.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Apr 11, 2024 9:10:39 GMT 1
After last night looks like two wins from four games gets us safe, but one of them probably needs to come against Brum
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 11, 2024 10:51:30 GMT 1
The fans of all the other teams down there will be thinking and saying exactly the same things as us. Manager's shit, owner's shit, players are shit.
It'll all hinge on bits of luck, cock ups and even an unlikely bit of quality from somewhere.
Lots to happen yet. I certainly wouldn't Blackburn's run-in.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 11, 2024 10:58:53 GMT 1
It's in our hands still amazingly. It's whether the players and staff want it enough. To think we still have to do worse than 2 other teams has to be some sort of boost, dosent it???🤔 |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 11, 2024 11:01:08 GMT 1
I'm amazed it's still in our own hands with 4 games left
I would be more confident of survival if Jon Worthington was taking the final 4 games
Ab has zero in-game management skills whatsoever
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 11:03:05 GMT 1
I'm amazed it's still in our own hands with 4 games left I would be more confident of survival if Jon Worthington was taking the final 4 games Ab has zero in-game management skills whatsoever Neither does Jon Worthington. |
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Post by waggers on Apr 11, 2024 11:09:54 GMT 1
I'm amazed it's still in our own hands with 4 games left I would be more confident of survival if Jon Worthington was taking the final 4 games Ab has zero in-game management skills whatsoever Neither does Jon Worthington. Tend to agree, but Worthington has the excuse of being very inexperienced. The lads clearly played for Worthington and the moral was brilliant. When you're fighting to survive that is a lot more important than quality. I'm surprised we still have a chance. Work your bollocks off to get something away at Bristol then it's a must win two games on the bounce after that. Time to graft. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 11:11:59 GMT 1
Neither does Jon Worthington. Tend to agree, but Worthington has the excuse of being very inexperienced. The lads clearly played for Worthington and the moral was brilliant. When you're fighting to survive that is a lot more important than quality. I'm surprised we still technically have a chance. Work your bollocks off to get something away at Bristol then it's a must win two games on the bounce after that. Time to graft. If Worthington had some in-game management skills, we'd be on 46 points and have less to worry about. The players were playing for Worthington, but the players do that for any caretaker manager. |
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Post by waggers on Apr 11, 2024 11:24:22 GMT 1
Tend to agree, but Worthington has the excuse of being very inexperienced. The lads clearly played for Worthington and the moral was brilliant. When you're fighting to survive that is a lot more important than quality. I'm surprised we still technically have a chance. Work your bollocks off to get something away at Bristol then it's a must win two games on the bounce after that. Time to graft. If Worthington had some in-game management skills, we'd be on 46 points and have less to worry about. The players were playing for Worthington, but the players do that for any caretaker manager. I agree, Worthington as caretaker until the end of the season I believe would have been the best option. It was a very difficult decision to make, bringing in a permanent manager when we did or leaving him in. I would have been happy with Worthington until the end of the season, but I also believed AB would have the ability to get us safe too. |
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