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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2023 11:08:07 GMT 1
We should probably be discussing this on the match thread, but this is Down at the Meandering, so…
Yep, get the 30min thing, but the chance that didn’t fall for Harrat and the Rudoni header would have changed the dynamic.
Even if Town went three up I’d still be worried, 4 up I’d be in my slippers etc.
Going ahead in games for Town feels quite rare across the last couple of seasons, 2-0 up like we were on Sat, we seem to get a nose bleed.
We definitely have a problem taking the lead and then capitalising on it, I’ve said for a long time this is a problem in their heads, not their physical capabilities.
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Post by dugnet on Oct 25, 2023 11:11:57 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely.
This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 25, 2023 11:29:43 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely. This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope. I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich . Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 25, 2023 11:31:28 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely. This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope. I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich . Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. It's a fair observation and something Mr Nagle needs to consider too (if he's to buck the trend). I am always hopeful but history tells me I am probably foolish in being so. |
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Post by dezzly on Oct 25, 2023 11:52:47 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely. This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope. I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich . Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. Has seemed to be the case in nearly every January since we were relegated,Maybe with the exception of Carlos’ playoff season,and that was because…yes you’ve guessed it…we had a good window in the summer. I feel there will be more games like last night to come,one of them potentially Saturday but I do also think we will pick up points also.We aren’t adrift like last season so have given ourselves the slight bit of breathing room to stumble to January. No investment and the correct investment then and it’s pure pot luck whether we stay up. And unfortunately that isn’t bed wetting or overreaction. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 25, 2023 12:03:53 GMT 1
Looking positively
There is a long way to go yet and we have the January window to come.
On the other hand
We have a manager that appears to be lost on how to build a team out of the players we have. The management made such a big song and dance about his signing, I can't see us making a change unless things get even worse.
We have the January window to come but so does everyone else and I can't see us getting enough quality in to make a bigger and better improvement than our competitors.
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Post by willo on Oct 25, 2023 12:08:05 GMT 1
Last night was shite but we've lost two games in nine, we'll still pick up points. For some reason people seem to be acting like we won't get another point again all season. Exactly! You’d think we were 10 points adrift at foot of the table the way some people are reacting. Some very poor performances recently but if we can limp to January around the position we are now, allow the coaching team time to do what they need to do, and make serious investments in the next window, I can see us finishing at least around where we are now. I’m very concerned about where we’ll be come the end of November. We have some very difficult games coming up starting on Saturday. As it stands, I don’t see things changing on the pitch. |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 25, 2023 12:20:50 GMT 1
All those thinking the club are going to buy their way out of trouble in January need to think again.
The only introduction to the team is likely to be goal music. At least we won't have to listen to it very often.
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Post by alexdire on Oct 25, 2023 12:22:16 GMT 1
There's no get out of jail card this season. The only way to avoid relegation will be to panic buy the players we should have bought in the summer and pay over inflated fees. It will probably also need a new coaching team. Problem is so far KN has been reluctant to spend any money on players, allegedly due to some mysterious restrictions surrounding FFP but not FFP but something to do with budgets and new owners... maybe. Two full backs, two strikers and a ball playing midfielder ought to give us a chance. There's a striker at Blackpool doing ok and we're playing Harrat, Hudlin and a winger from Mainz up front.  was Cartwright thinking?! That striker who's doing well in league one. Has proven over the last eight seasons he doesn't cut it in the Championship anymore. |
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Post by harris on Oct 25, 2023 12:31:06 GMT 1
Think we do stay up under Moore but only because there’s 3 or 4 teams that are woeful. The worry is how we push on to achieve this 3 year plan to be competing at the top end. The only way is big investment in the squad which I doubt will happen.
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Post by alexdire on Oct 25, 2023 12:33:53 GMT 1
Moore is struggling to get this team clicking...we were rubbish at Brum, poor at Wednesday, poor for 70 minutes v QPR and rubbish last night...He's not seeming to be a deep thinker with solutions for problems, and I still don't know what his plan for us is..we play 3-5-2...then 4-4-2, then 4-5-1...often in the same game...but the thing for me is the players, when you watch them they're running all over the place like broken wind up toys..sometimes they bump into each other...they look totally clueless as to what they're supposed to be doing.. There's frustration in there too, some back biting at each other I saw last night...and the longer this goes on Moore will simply lose the changing room and discontent will set in...I reckon he has until xmas to find what works,otherwise he's out. That is my worry they look clueless towards what they are supposed to be doing. Whatever the coaching staff are trying to get them to do, they just aren't understanding or picking it up. Especially on set pieces where they looked to have changed to a zonal system. Resulting in the defence losing people. There's three options. 1. The players start to grasp how they are being asked to play. 2. Moore changes what he wants them to do. 3. We carry on looking clueless and we are destined for league one. It's still too early to tell. Though 3 looks most likely at the minute. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Oct 25, 2023 12:36:56 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Obviously I want us to stay up but last night's performance is the worst I've seen since the Malcolm McDonald days back in the late 1980s. I have a feeling we'll be back in Div 3 in May. This new chairman gives me no confidence whatsoever. I'm not on Twitter but his postings there after the Norwich game were beyond puerile and utterly self defeating. It's definitely the worst since we lost 4-0 at home to Norwich a few weeks back. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2023 12:37:30 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely. This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope. I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich . Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. Look at the body language of our team and QPR after both had gone 2-0 down inside 15 mins. I’d imagine the only difference was the colour of the shirts. They got a goal back and went on the counter, our chance to get back into it fell to Harratt, which looked difficult, but a better striker might have done more with it? We then go 3-0 down after another defensive mistake and the die is cast. We needed that goal, even at 3-0 down, scoring that header from Jack or an early goal in the second half would have changed the game. But hey ho, we move on. At 4-0 we were goosed, but I was pleased that a lot of the players were still trying to get a goal back, even if it wasn’t going to change the result. That was a small saving grace for me, last season pre-NW, 4-0 down and this team would have raised the white flag. We’re far from being a lost cause. |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Oct 25, 2023 12:42:05 GMT 1
Trying to find a positive. If we had drawn our last 2 games & going into Leeds game we would be 3 games unbeaten. We are a point better off if that had been the case & we probably would be looking forward with some confidence going to the Skip?
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Post by ACW on Oct 25, 2023 12:51:31 GMT 1
There's no get out of jail card this season. The only way to avoid relegation will be to panic buy the players we should have bought in the summer and pay over inflated fees. It will probably also need a new coaching team. Problem is so far KN has been reluctant to spend any money on players, allegedly due to some mysterious restrictions surrounding FFP but not FFP but something to do with budgets and new owners... maybe. Two full backs, two strikers and a ball playing midfielder ought to give us a chance. There's a striker at Blackpool doing ok and we're playing Harrat, Hudlin and a winger from Mainz up front. was Cartwright thinking?! That striker who's doing well in league one. Has proven over the last eight seasons he doesn't cut it in the Championship anymore. Completely agree, but... Is he better than what we currently have? I would suggest he probably is. Which is more a reflection of the poor options we currently have, rather than the Championship qualities Rhodes now possesses. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Oct 25, 2023 12:55:12 GMT 1
fuck's sake.
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Post by 28901 on Oct 25, 2023 12:56:20 GMT 1
Trying to find a positive. If we had drawn our last 2 games & going into Leeds game we would be 3 games unbeaten. We are a point better off if that had been the case & we probably would be looking forward with some confidence going to the Skip? I would normally agree but if QPR had leveled on Saturday (which lets face it they probably should have) this place would have been in melt down and Moore would have got almost as much stick as he has since last night. It was bad enough after a win. |
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Post by ACW on Oct 25, 2023 12:57:48 GMT 1
Is relegation inevitable? Is it fuck.
Currently 19th and we have 33 league games to play!
Of course relegation is a possibility, and if we continue to play as we are the odds will shorten, but at this stage it's far too early to say. Too much can happen between now and May.
The OP has an agenda and is stirring the shit.
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Oct 25, 2023 12:59:23 GMT 1
Trying to find a positive. If we had drawn our last 2 games & going into Leeds game we would be 3 games unbeaten. We are a point better off if that had been the case & we probably would be looking forward with some confidence going to the Skip? I would normally agree but if QPR had leveled on Saturday (which lets face it they probably should have) this place would have been in melt down and Moore would have got almost as much stick as he has since last night. It was bad enough after a win. True |
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Post by andyeastleake on Oct 25, 2023 13:06:44 GMT 1
Is relegation inevitable? Is it fuck. Currently 14th and we have 33 league games to play! Of course relegation is a possibility, and if we continue to play as we are the odds will shorten, but at this stage it's far too early to say. Too much can happen between now and May. Broadly agree with the sentiments but I'd edit the bold bit as we're 19th (with a chance of slipping further tonight). As I posted on Sunday what might save us is how poor QPR, Rotherham and Sheffield Wednesday seem. |
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Post by conman on Oct 25, 2023 13:07:28 GMT 1
Depends if Moore is still here come January. Depends if Moore is still here come Saturday night . It needs sorting out sooner rather than later..Saying that , I still think QPR , Rotherham and the Wendies are all worse than us . I just hope our Yankie doodle dandy owner isn't clutching at the same straws.. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 25, 2023 13:15:17 GMT 1
It's not inevitable, but it is far from unlikely. This period between now and 31st December is absolutely critical. We have to pick up enough points to make investment in January sensible, at the moment (and it might change - as the Ipswich game showed) if we continue like this we will be on the slippery slope. I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich .Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. That was an early game under the new manager. He has had time to put his stamp on the team since. |
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Post by irverino on Oct 25, 2023 13:18:10 GMT 1
At the moment we are relying on 3 worse teams to finish below us in May, currently SW, RU & QPR are the likely candidates, the worry is if QPR replace Ainsworth with a half decent coach/manager then its possible we replace them in the bottom 3.....Won't be surprised if all the relegated teams don't make 40 points.
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Post by Stiggy on Oct 25, 2023 13:25:22 GMT 1
The folk that really think we're going to invest in January need to give their heads a good wobble. Have you guys only supported Town for 6 months? It wont happen, never does.
We'll make up the usual cock and bull story about there being no one available, yet everyone else around us strengthens! Far more likely for us to let one or two of our better players go then get anyone in.
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Post by willo on Oct 25, 2023 13:28:23 GMT 1
I’m not saying we’re down, too early, although I’m no fan of Moore and wasn’t when he was appointed. However, the next 5 are Leeds away, Watford at home, Hull City away, Southampton at home, Sunderland away, which gets us to the end of November. I’d like someone to tell me where the points are coming from that run of games. 🤔
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 25, 2023 14:24:29 GMT 1
Yes. It is inevitable that some teams will be relegated this season.
Writing off anyone's chances of avoiding the drop at this stage is daft. Although FWIW I would suggest that the three strongest favourites for the drop into Lg1 are all based in Yorkshire....
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Post by twyford on Oct 25, 2023 14:32:27 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Obviously I want us to stay up but last night's performance is the worst I've seen since the Malcolm McDonald days back in the late 1980s. I have a feeling we'll be back in Div 3 in May. This new chairman gives me no confidence whatsoever. I'm not on Twitter but his postings there after the Norwich game were beyond puerile and utterly self defeating. It's definitely the worst since we lost 4-0 at home to Norwich a few weeks back. And better than the Birmingham performance in between. |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 25, 2023 14:36:11 GMT 1
Not inevitable at all but it might be the same old story of looking over our shoulders, its only twice in the previous eleven seasons we haven't had to do that, of course theres a chance if some of the recent performance are to go by but its certainly not inevitable, no way.
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Post by twyford on Oct 25, 2023 14:37:19 GMT 1
I agree with your recent posts - fair and balanced. It is a mystery how the same players can play with the intensity they showed v Ipswich . Last night we looked collectively clueless - when the first goal went in I noticed that the players just didn’t look to have any life in them, no energy and no enthusiasm. But we have been here before many times in the last few years. Everyone holding out in hope that the next transfer window will solve our problems. It never does, instead we are informed by whoever is in charge at the time, that we don’t have the budget, have to perform within FFP etc, etc, etc. Meanwhile, we look on as other lowly Championship teams strengthen. I think our new owners and senior management team have shown they have a complete misunderstanding of how competitive the Championship in this country is. So personally, I’m not holding out any hope that January will change anything. Look at the body language of our team and QPR after both had gone 2-0 down inside 15 mins. I’d imagine the only difference was the colour of the shirts. They got a goal back and went on the counter, our chance to get back into it fell to Harratt, which looked difficult, but a better striker might have done more with it? We then go 3-0 down after another defensive mistake and the die is cast. We needed that goal, even at 3-0 down, scoring that header from Jack or an early goal in the second half would have changed the game. But hey ho, we move on. At 4-0 we were goosed, but I was pleased that a lot of the players were still trying to get a goal back, even if it wasn’t going to change the result. That was a small saving grace for me, last season pre-NW, 4-0 down and this team would have raised the white flag. We’re far from being a lost cause. They had a 4 on 2 break in the 89th minute after one of our attempts broke down - the recovery runs of Thomas and (I think) Rudoni to even the numbers and snuff out the chance of a 5th were impressive in the circumstances. There is a team spirit and sense of pride there if Moore is able to harness it correctly. |
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Post by twyford on Oct 25, 2023 14:41:18 GMT 1
I’m not saying we’re down, too early, although I’m no fan of Moore and wasn’t when he was appointed. However, the next 5 are Leeds away, Watford at home, Hull City away, Southampton at home, Sunderland away, which gets us to the end of November. I’d like someone to tell me where the points are coming from that run of games. 🤔 Watford are currently below us |
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