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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 25, 2023 15:25:28 GMT 1
Yes. It is inevitable that some teams will be relegated this season. Writing off anyone's chances of avoiding the drop at this stage is daft. Although FWIW I would suggest that the three strongest favourites for the drop into Lg1 are all based in Yorkshire.... I reckon Leeds will have to have a rocky patch to be dragged in, but I hope you're right... ;-)
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 25, 2023 16:00:28 GMT 1
Yes. It is inevitable that some teams will be relegated this season. Writing off anyone's chances of avoiding the drop at this stage is daft. Although FWIW I would suggest that the three strongest favourites for the drop into Lg1 are all based in Yorkshire.... I reckon Leeds will have to have a rocky patch to be dragged in, but I hope you're right... ;-) Along with Middlesbrough and Hull. You read it here first!
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Post by ACW on Oct 25, 2023 17:42:20 GMT 1
Is relegation inevitable? Is it fuck. Currently 19th and we have 33 league games to play! Of course relegation is a possibility, and if we continue to play as we are the odds will shorten, but at this stage it's far too early to say. Too much can happen between now and May. Broadly agree with the sentiments but I'd edit the bold bit as we're 19th (with a chance of slipping further tonight). As I posted on Sunday what might save us is how poor QPR, Rotherham and Sheffield Wednesday seem. Edited. 😁
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Post by royrace on Oct 25, 2023 17:51:07 GMT 1
There's no get out of jail card this season. The only way to avoid relegation will be to panic buy the players we should have bought in the summer and pay over inflated fees. It will probably also need a new coaching team. Problem is so far KN has been reluctant to spend any money on players, allegedly due to some mysterious restrictions surrounding FFP but not FFP but something to do with budgets and new owners... maybe. Two full backs, two strikers and a ball playing midfielder ought to give us a chance. There's a striker at Blackpool doing ok and we're playing Harrat, Hudlin and a winger from Mainz up front. was Cartwright thinking?! That striker who's doing well in league one. Has proven over the last eight seasons he doesn't cut it in the Championship anymore. …as opposed to Harrat, Hudlin and Burgzorg who have never cut it in the football league? I know who I’d prefer and it’s not even close!
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Post by royrace on Oct 25, 2023 17:56:44 GMT 1
Think we do stay up under Moore but only because there’s 3 or 4 teams that are woeful. The worry is how we push on to achieve this 3 year plan to be competing at the top end. The only way is big investment in the squad which I doubt will happen. The three year plan is a fantasy, never gonna happen, wouldn’t have been in the public domain had Warnock not forced their hand. I don’t think the level of investment planned will be sufficient to avoid relegation let alone compete at the top.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Oct 25, 2023 17:57:10 GMT 1
Last season town were rubbish for 85%. Only a miracle from Warnock managed to get this league one squad playing in time to rescue us. Begs the question now Neil won’t comeback and with arguably a worst squad this year than last is that it now? It feels it is zero investment from the board and a manager who is tactically inept struggling already. In my opinion are only option to keep us up we pushed out so I’ve come to terms that league one is going to happen and it probably should have last season. We got offered hope, a last chance saloon with NW keeping us up and threw it in the bin. Shambolic. Is this the daftest question asked this week ?
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 25, 2023 18:01:56 GMT 1
More polls than you can shake a stick at, at the moment!
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Post by drumriggend on Oct 25, 2023 18:02:47 GMT 1
Where is the is it foook option..
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Feckin cry baby thread..
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Post by softboy on Oct 25, 2023 18:45:44 GMT 1
Being 6 points above the bottom three although we are not playing well suggests this post is a bit premature but I guess Sheff Wed are only 11 points behind us so they can deffinately catch us quite easily
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Post by rickrast on Oct 25, 2023 19:05:54 GMT 1
More polls than you can shake a stick at, at the moment! Do we need a "Too Many Polls?" poll?
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 25, 2023 19:09:14 GMT 1
More polls than you can shake a stick at, at the moment! Do we need a "Too Many Polls?" poll? Go for it.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Oct 25, 2023 19:36:23 GMT 1
Of course it's not inevitable but I suspect we'll be in the mix. I'm hopeful that there will be at least 3 teams worse than us, which would help.
I'm not sure why folk think we're going to spend loads this next transfer window, though how many times have we heard "we have to give them the next window"? It's boring now....like tomorrow, the next window never comes. Yet, even if there is money to spend, would anyone trust Cartwright, or whoever stated Darren plays a great, attacking style of football? Please don't take us as fools, DM has got a pretty good overall win %, but he's not known for attacking football. I mention Cartwright as I'm guessing Kevin provides the money, Edwards runs the club to bring in more revenue & Cartwright, as Director of Football, heads the football operation.
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Post by Tiro on Oct 25, 2023 20:03:23 GMT 1
Great poll.
Can those persons who voted ‘yes’ provide me your lottery numbers for this weekend please, given you can predict the certainties.
Daft bastards. On the contrary, I attended Union vs Napoli last night where a packed house tirelessly backed a team on the end of a 9 game losing streak and stayed behind to applaud them off the field. Despite playing dogshit.
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Post by rab030 on Oct 25, 2023 22:23:06 GMT 1
This thread is a brilliant idea…… It means all the bedwetters can get together and keep talking about great we were under Warnock and what a great Chairman Hoyle was. It means the rest of us can have some meaningful discussions about the future and we don’t have to ‘yawn’ every time somebody says that getting rid of Warnock was the worst thing we ever did.
For the record I’m not suggesting that Moore is the answer and that our new Chairman is perfect but I am prepared to give them a chance and I know that wishing we still had NW is completely futile.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Oct 25, 2023 22:29:20 GMT 1
Being 6 points above the bottom three although we are not playing well suggests this post is a bit premature but I guess Sheff Wed are only 11 points behind us so they can deffinately catch us quite easily After tonight it's 5 points and Rotherham have a game in hand. photos.app.goo.gl/Y4j6NhC8bh8XVGmp9
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Post by mrbluesky on Oct 26, 2023 6:19:54 GMT 1
This thread is a brilliant idea…… It means all the bedwetters can get together and keep talking about great we were under Warnock and what a great Chairman Hoyle was. It means the rest of us can have some meaningful discussions about the future and we don’t have to ‘yawn’ every time somebody says that getting rid of Warnock was the worst thing we ever did. For the record I’m not suggesting that Moore is the answer and that our new Chairman is perfect but I am prepared to give them a chance and I know that wishing we still had NW is completely futile. Getting rid of warnock was the worst thing we ever did.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 26, 2023 6:28:23 GMT 1
We all knew that we would be in this situation before a ball was kicked, granted certainly not sure we'd have conceded 4 against Birminghsm or Cardiff and drawn at Wednesday if Warnock was still here but league position wide it's where we expect to be.
Granted its been erratic under Moore, the results have not been great and in the main the performances worse but still a long way to go. A big worry for me is that we've gone back to concedeing stacks of goals, that's 4 we've conceded 3 times this season in one game and we're only in October.
See if we can cobble as many points together we can before Christmas, keep the bottom 3 at arms length and see if we can get some quality in in January.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 26, 2023 6:58:57 GMT 1
We all knew that we would be in this situation before a ball was kicked, granted certainly not sure we'd have conceded 4 against Birminghsm or Cardiff and drawn at Wednesday if Warnock was still here but league position wide it's where we expect to be. Granted its been erratic under Moore, the results have not been great and in the main the performances worse but still a long way to go. A big worry for me is that we've gone back to concedeing stacks of goals, that's 4 we've conceded 3 times this season in one game and we're only in October. See if we can cobble as many points together we can before Christmas, keep the bottom 3 at arms length and see if we can get some quality in in January. Not sure it's been erratic, it's been absolutely shite.
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Post by softboy on Oct 26, 2023 8:27:31 GMT 1
I think our saving grace may once again be how tight the league is and a couple of decent results, who knows. The league table is bizarre, at best. The team 4th bottom (us) are 5 points above the bottom 3 but 6 points from 6th! There is no way we will be anything near 6th but there are an awful lot of teams within touching distance of us.
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Oct 26, 2023 8:57:56 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Agree a truly terrible decision and all because of a silly Twitter spat, but selling Marcus to Ipswich was worse and leaving Jordan on the bench at Old Trafford is also up there.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 26, 2023 9:16:08 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Agree a truly terrible decision and all because of a silly Twitter spat, but selling Marcus to Ipswich was worse and leaving Jordan on the bench at Old Trafford is also up there. I doubt it was because of a Twitter spat. That being said it’s certainly thrown us from being confident of being in the Championshio next season to Strong possibility of relegation.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 26, 2023 9:20:37 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Agree a truly terrible decision and all because of a silly Twitter spat, but selling Marcus to Ipswich was worse and leaving Jordan on the bench at Old Trafford is also up there. Find it hard to believe that Warnock was replaced because Warnock answered back to Nagle's tweet in a press conference. If it was then Warnock would have mentioned it in one of several interviews he's done since he left. It seemed like it was a fairly amicable ending for him here, all be it an ending that came too soon for Warnock. I think the main issue the board had was the lack of transfer business we did over the summer and that they believed we were losing out on targets/ loans due to Warnock being in post and that being a short term arrangement. Notice we've got no young lads from Chelsea, Man City etc this season. The vast majority of us thought that we'd be okay and safe with Neil Warnock as manager until May. He made a sow's ear into a silk purse last season. We need some new signings in January but they need to be first team ready, not like we seem to do and have lads coming in who are injured or vastly inexperienced.
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Post by Floyds on Oct 26, 2023 9:23:41 GMT 1
We all knew that we would be in this situation before a ball was kicked, granted certainly not sure we'd have conceded 4 against Birminghsm or Cardiff and drawn at Wednesday if Warnock was still here but league position wide it's where we expect to be. Granted its been erratic under Moore, the results have not been great and in the main the performances worse but still a long way to go. A big worry for me is that we've gone back to concedeing stacks of goals, that's 4 we've conceded 3 times this season in one game and we're only in October. See if we can cobble as many points together we can before Christmas, keep the bottom 3 at arms length and see if we can get some quality in in January.[/quote] How many half seasons do we go through trying to just get enough points to stay out of the bottom three - before hopefully re-investing in January / the summer? It's a terrible strategy. Does anyone really believe we'll do anything different this January, than sell a few of our better players (whoever they may be - not many candidates at the moment), wait until the last day of the window, perhaps sign a journeyman or two on loan and then have to struggle through until the summer with the squad we have? Can only do this so many times and avoid relegation. Which we will thoroughly deserve for our approach since we lost at Wembley.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 26, 2023 9:50:47 GMT 1
We all knew that we would be in this situation before a ball was kicked, granted certainly not sure we'd have conceded 4 against Birminghsm or Cardiff and drawn at Wednesday if Warnock was still here but league position wide it's where we expect to be. Granted its been erratic under Moore, the results have not been great and in the main the performances worse but still a long way to go. A big worry for me is that we've gone back to concedeing stacks of goals, that's 4 we've conceded 3 times this season in one game and we're only in October. See if we can cobble as many points together we can before Christmas, keep the bottom 3 at arms length and see if we can get some quality in in January.[/quote] How many half seasons do we go through trying to just get enough points to stay out of the bottom three - before hopefully re-investing in January / the summer? It's a terrible strategy. Does anyone really believe we'll do anything different this January, than sell a few of our better players (whoever they may be - not many candidates at the moment), wait until the last day of the window, perhaps sign a journeyman or two on loan and then have to struggle through until the summer with the squad we have? Can only do this so many times and avoid relegation. Which we will thoroughly deserve for our approach since we lost at Wembley. I agree, it's a poor and amateurish strategy but it's where we are at the minute. It just typical Town though isn't it?
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Post by willo on Oct 26, 2023 10:19:13 GMT 1
We’re the Everton of the Championship. Season after season (almost) of poor decision making, poor managerial appointments, poor signings and narrowly avoiding relegation.
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Post by rubicon on Oct 26, 2023 10:25:53 GMT 1
I reckon Leeds will have to have a rocky patch to be dragged in, but I hope you're right... ;-) Along with Middlesbrough and Hull. You read it here first! I think Town Rovrum and massive qualify as Yorkshire, so Leeds don’t matter as regards the THREE I assume was meant.
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Post by drewden on Oct 26, 2023 10:33:51 GMT 1
This thread is a brilliant idea…… It means all the bedwetters can get together and keep talking about great we were under Warnock and what a great Chairman Hoyle was. It means the rest of us can have some meaningful discussions about the future and we don’t have to ‘yawn’ every time somebody says that getting rid of Warnock was the worst thing we ever did. For the record I’m not suggesting that Moore is the answer and that our new Chairman is perfect but I am prepared to give them a chance and I know that wishing we still had NW is completely futile. What a great post, and for sure a lot on here will be going to the Leeds match with negative attitudes. And you are right Warnocks history.
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 26, 2023 11:29:28 GMT 1
Along with Middlesbrough and Hull. You read it here first! I think Town Rovrum and massive qualify as Yorkshire, so Leeds don’t matter as regards the THREE I assume was meant. (those were the three I actually meant)
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Post by alexdire on Oct 26, 2023 11:48:14 GMT 1
Being 6 points above the bottom three although we are not playing well suggests this post is a bit premature but I guess Sheff Wed are only 11 points behind us so they can deffinately catch us quite easily After tonight it's 5 points and Rotherham have a game in hand. photos.app.goo.gl/Y4j6NhC8bh8XVGmp9That game is against Ipswich.
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Post by drewden on Oct 26, 2023 12:12:48 GMT 1
Getting rid of the most experienced manager in the country who saved us last season is the most crass, ridiculous and self harming decision I have witnessed in my 44 years watching Town. Agree a truly terrible decision and all because of a silly Twitter spat, but selling Marcus to Ipswich was worse and leaving Jordan on the bench at Old Trafford is also up there. People that have amassed millions of £s are not stupid, they have the nouse to come back from mistakes quickly, the future could turn out rosier than what is going on at present. The 3 year plan says it all for me.
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