wildhogg
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 28, 2023 21:07:53 GMT 1
Unless Nagle is willing to offer big, big money and inflated wages, no-one worthwhile is going to arrive in January. Neither decent players from League 1 nor decent Championship players are going to want to join a struggling club. The appalling Kamberi, way over the hill Lowton and waste of space Knockaert were the best we could come up last January, don't forget.
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Post by jambo on Oct 28, 2023 21:12:31 GMT 1
We are going to need some very good loans
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Post by hoggy1975 on Oct 28, 2023 21:15:01 GMT 1
Unless Nagle is willing to offer big, big money and inflated wages, no-one worthwhile is going to arrive in January. Neither decent players from League 1 nor decent Championship players are going to want to join a struggling club. The appalling Kamberi, way over the hill Lowton and waste of space Knockaert were the best we could come up last January, don't forget. Get players in on loan due to our position, get to summer and fail to sign a striker/players we need for squad, start season off again with gaping holes in the squad, get to January and get some loans in. Probably get through a few managers during that. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 28, 2023 22:16:40 GMT 1
Unless Nagle is willing to offer big, big money and inflated wages, no-one worthwhile is going to arrive in January. Neither decent players from League 1 nor decent Championship players are going to want to join a struggling club. The appalling Kamberi, way over the hill Lowton and waste of space Knockaert were the best we could come up last January, don't forget. Get players in on loan due to our position, get to summer and fail to sign a striker/players we need for squad, start season off again with gaping holes in the squad, get to January and get some loans in. Probably get through a few managers during that. You think any premier league club or player is going to want to come to us. No chance. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 28, 2023 22:18:19 GMT 1
Might as well close this thread now, if Warnock goes QPR there definitely aren’t 3 worse than us this time. We’re gone and deservedly so for the management team acting like such morons.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 28, 2023 22:27:42 GMT 1
Might as well close this thread now, if Warnock goes QPR there definitely aren’t 3 worse than us this time. We’re gone and deservedly so for the management team acting like such morons. Crack on for me if it means we don’t have to read your posts on here until next season? |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 28, 2023 22:29:20 GMT 1
Might as well close this thread now, if Warnock goes QPR there definitely aren’t 3 worse than us this time. We’re gone and deservedly so for the management team acting like such morons. Crack on for me if it means we don’t have to read your posts on here until next season? Keep happy clapping away fella. You’ve shown how little you know about the sport the past couple of weeks. |
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Post by desertstorm on Oct 28, 2023 22:33:33 GMT 1
Nothing in football isinevitable, just look at last season for example. I guess the only thing that is guaranteed is change.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 28, 2023 22:37:03 GMT 1
Definitely worse. The main thing holding us back last season was Bromby's ego not allowing us to lose MF sooner, but there was always the hope there, even if it was a faint glimmer. I just don't see what happens this time. We can't bring in the manager we need (because we've fired him), and the squad is becoming weaker by the year. I think this season is when it finally catches us up and it'll be a very long road back. The worst part of it is that this was completely avoidable after the heroics of last year, but our neglectful board have dragged us back into it. Absolutely drives you mad, the idiotic decisions all around not spending money. Why don't they ever fuckin learn? This season is 100 years since our first league title and the club have decided to celebrate it with a relegation scrap. It’s utterly shameful. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 28, 2023 22:37:44 GMT 1
Crack on for me if it means we don’t have to read your posts on here until next season? Keep happy clapping away fella. You’ve shown how little you know about the sport the past couple of weeks. I didn’t know I was supposed to be an expert? 🤔 Do we get 2 points or 3 points for kicking it over the bar? |
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Yuta be a terrier
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 28, 2023 22:37:57 GMT 1
Nothing in football isinevitable, just look at last season for example. I guess the only thing that is guaranteed is change. Hopefully a change of manager. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 28, 2023 22:39:44 GMT 1
Nothing in football is inevitable, just look at last season for example. I guess the only thing that is guaranteed is change. It may not sound credible right now but change can be for the worse as well as the better. |
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Post by H7 on Oct 28, 2023 22:42:08 GMT 1
Imagine we'd just given Corberan the £2m he wanted to sign Carlton Morris after pocketing £10m+ from LOB, Toff & Pipa before the instalments still coming in for Grant and possibly Billing?
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Post by desertstorm on Oct 28, 2023 22:45:27 GMT 1
Nothing in football is inevitable, just look at last season for example. I guess the only thing that is guaranteed is change. It may not sound credible right now but change can be for the worse as well as the better. I agree. The problem does not lay with DM in isolation. Any manager/coach will experience the same issues which are a result of underinvestment and a reliance on project players and a nucleus of the same players to perform miracles. This squad needs an injection of championship quality, regardless of who the manager is. |
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Post by Lard Buttie on Oct 29, 2023 9:00:42 GMT 1
Depends if Moore is still here come January. But there will be no 'Warnock' option available this time. We're down. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 29, 2023 9:34:26 GMT 1
First season back in the championship after relegation from the PL. Lossl, Toffolo, ESR, Willock. 3 loans and 1 permanent….not that long ago really whilst i appreciate its not easy, we’ve done it in the not too distant past And we need the same now. What we also have to do is stop being cheap - that window we missed out on Adeboyajo, the lad who went to Luton, for £500,000. At more or less the same time Ben Whiteman - a player we should have been looking at to replace Hogg - went to Preston for £750,000. Neither were small fees, but both were very reasonable (considering the ridiculous fees elsewhere). We don't need to spend silly money, but we do need to be prepared to get the chequebook out for the players we enquire about. Stop balking at paying decent money for good players, and the same goes for paying wages for players on loan. We need players for the first-team, here and now. We have a core of potential, but shouldn't be relying on it to dig us out. At a minimum, we need a striker (I'd want Kieffer Moore), two central midfielders (at least one of whom is a proper Hogg-a-like), and a right-back. I'd also recall Jordan Rhodes. I know it's a different tune from the summer, when I thought we were a striker light, but this recent run, injuries, etc, plus the fact we no longer have Warnock, suggests (understatement...) we need much more. And we have to pay for what we want. The thing is everything about Nagles tenure so far suggests he isn't willing to invest in players at the required level. I don't think he will have any intention of spending in January and even if he did would you trust Cartwright to spend it after what we've seen so far? We've a DoF who's been working in the Mickey mouse league for a decade doing a job different job who thought appointing DM would be a coup and fed us some total BS about his attacking football. Also dropped in the old develops young players line and we know what that means. The only way out of this mess is to appoint a quality coach ASAP and spend a lot of money in January on the right players. I don't see any of those things happening. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 29, 2023 9:53:16 GMT 1
No, but I think it’s time to accept until someone with some actual ambition takes us over we will be a bottom 6 club in the championship for years to come constantly looking over our shoulder. We are shockingly bad but I’d be surprised if three of Plymouth, qpr, Rotherham and Wednesday finish above us. Last season it really felt all season long that we would go down even with Neil working wonders.
I don’t think Moore was a great choice but he is an actual manager unlike fotheringham who was just an absolute fucking clown that did real damage by upsetting seasoned pros and fans favourites. With how rash decisions are made at this club I wouldn’t be surprised if Moore only lasted a few more games. Who would come in and join this basket case of a football club? Warnock won’t come back.
Nagle doesn’t go about things in the right way imo, posting on social media. There’s no need for it. Invest in the playing squad, it’s very much needed. Premier league in three years having a laugh. It’s okay having a go at Moore but he is working with absolute cloggers. Warnock did wonders getting the best out of this lot as it’s one of the poorest groups we’ve had in the championship. 2 or 3 are championship quality rest are league 1 and 2 standard. Long season but we will stay up.
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Post by Stewpot on Oct 29, 2023 9:57:11 GMT 1
Warnock set to join QPR. Take them out of the mix then.
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Post by nutjacker on Oct 29, 2023 10:04:27 GMT 1
Yep, if Warnock goes to QPR (which sounds like it will happen) then that’s them safe, they have some decent players he will get the best out of
Rotherham are poor but are showing some fight and I can see them beating Wednesday today, that just leaves us and massive as the whipping boys, what a sad state of affairs once again
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Post by Torquayterrier on Oct 29, 2023 10:16:45 GMT 1
Arguably should already be in league one but for a unique manager being available at the right time late last season. If he'd already taken on another firefighting job ahead of us we probably wouldn't be in champ now.
The way things have been handled since have been poor to put it mildly.
Apart from a freakishly good season (maybe half season?) that catapulted into a playoff final we've been mostly skirting around the lower end for a while.
These things do catch up with you eventually.
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Post by jimhtfc on Oct 29, 2023 10:19:59 GMT 1
When carlos was serving up tripe, we got the comment from the departing player who when asked was he any good, 'he's shit hot'. So whilst we weren't seeing it on the pitch, the players could evidently see it in training.
I think Edwards needs to ask the same question to some of the senior players, of both moore and his coaches. Unless that answer is unanimous support we need to get rid immediately.
We have the core of a team that can survive in this division, with the right management and some support with a few additional players. KN needs to throw plenty of money at getting in some quality loans that will make a impact in the 2nd half of the season.
We have a New CEO, new DOF, new manager and new coaching staff. none of whom seem to be performing to anything approaching an acceptable level from the outside looking in. We can probably change one and stay up, but two or more would be too much instability and we'd be down anyway.
KN needs to stop with the tweets, praise in public, bollockings in private. Stop talking about plans until we have some stablily and success and earn the right to make big statements like premier league in 3 years. Talk is cheap.
If we're keeping moore, then edwards needs to come out and take some pressure off him and shoulder some blame, same for cartwright.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 29, 2023 10:50:35 GMT 1
No, but I think it’s time to accept until someone with some actual ambition takes us over we will be a bottom 6 club in the championship for years to come constantly looking over our shoulder. We are shockingly bad but I’d be surprised if three of Plymouth, qpr, Rotherham and Wednesday finish above us. Last season it really felt all season long that we would go down even with Neil working wonders. I don’t think Moore was a great choice but he is an actual manager unlike fotheringham who was just an absolute fucking clown that did real damage by upsetting seasoned pros and fans favourites. With how rash decisions are made at this club I wouldn’t be surprised if Moore only lasted a few more games. Who would come in and join this basket case of a football club? Warnock won’t come back. Nagle doesn’t go about things in the right way imo, posting on social media. There’s no need for it. Invest in the playing squad, it’s very much needed. Premier league in three years having a laugh. It’s okay having a go at Moore but he is working with absolute cloggers. Warnock did wonders getting the best out of this lot as it’s one of the poorest groups we’ve had in the championship. 2 or 3 are championship quality rest are league 1 and 2 standard. Long season but we will stay up. We won't. We are going down. |
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Post by willo on Oct 29, 2023 11:37:52 GMT 1
It’s quite simple to me. We keep Moore and we’re going down, nailed on certainty. We get rid and bring it in the right man, we stay up. I reckon they’ll give him another month, but it’s a very tough run of fixtures, we won’t improve and he’ll be gone. The new man then has a longer run of fixtures in December to ascertain what is required in January and enough quality will be brought in to allow us to survive. This is how it SHOULD play out. We’re not down and out as it stands, how can we be when we’re only at the end of October, but someone has to be bold, admit they got it badly wrong with Moore and do what’s required to change things again. The only other alternative is relegation. We plod on without things changing and the fans will simply stop turning up.
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Post by Paphos Terrier on Oct 29, 2023 12:53:35 GMT 1
Imagine we'd just given Corberan the £2m he wanted to sign Carlton Morris after pocketing £10m+ from LOB, Toff & Pipa before the instalments still coming in for Grant and possibly Billing? Spot on mate, Huddersfield Town just love shooting their self in the foot time and time again |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 29, 2023 13:02:27 GMT 1
It’s quite simple to me. We keep Moore and we’re going down, nailed on certainty. We get rid and bring it in the right man, we stay up. I reckon they’ll give him another month, but it’s a very tough run of fixtures, we won’t improve and he’ll be gone. The new man then has a longer run of fixtures in December to ascertain what is required in January and enough quality will be brought in to allow us to survive. This is how it SHOULD play out. We’re not down and out as it stands, how can we be when we’re only at the end of October, but someone has to be bold, admit they got it badly wrong with Moore and do what’s required to change things again. The only other alternative is relegation. We plod on without things changing and the fans will simply stop turning up. I agree with you but I can't see anyone keeping us up at the moment. We need investment in championship ready players in January and that means solid investment by people who know and understand the championship, which obviously we don't have. We can't have any more project players that need a season to get up to speed. |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 29, 2023 13:18:10 GMT 1
Now that the booze and anger has warn off, there seems little point going over errors made. There can be few left thinking we haven’t very predictably shot ourselves in the foot.
It also seems very unlikely we are going to bin Moore and his sizeable staff all sat in fat contracts. So what can be done? Calling the manager nasty names can only make things worse in my opinion.
January is too far away even if we do have players lined up.
Surely there is an out of contract striker somewhere that has to be better than the strikers we currently have? Or is Danny Ward going to get fit? Hopefully both.
The manager was questioned when appointed as a boring nil nil merchant. Well i think would be fantastic right now. Can we revert to more defensive outlook, our centre halves are decent players.
As for the fans, keep going and don’t boo. That’s all i can come
up with.
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Post by daltonterrier44 on Oct 29, 2023 13:22:17 GMT 1
Do find it funny that fans reaction to Danny Schofield taking over and having the disaster that followed was given more time by a lot of the fans and sympathy than Moore is getting all because he use to play for us, and funny enough the only reason Moore is up against it is because he followed Warnock…another agenda driven by nostalgia. Moore has made some woeful calls but look at Warnock we got slapped 4-0 in successive games admitivly by better teams but I’d argue we’d have been beaten by anyone in them games we was horrendous and we’ve made that bunch weaker! Moore isn’t the reason we are so bad that’s down to the owner, Cartwight and Edwards making bad calls too, I do think Moore won’t be here for long due to me thinking the board will dismiss him to throw him under the bus to try and save face but like others have already stated, who do we get after that? He’ll already be at QPR pulling one less team out of the drop zone for us to squeeze past. Bad bad times.
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Post by isitjustme on Oct 29, 2023 13:49:14 GMT 1
There's no way DM is being sacked any time soon. So our only way out of this is by spending big in Jan. But who would entertain joining us unless desperate. The only way is to offer short contracts, but on very very good wages. With the possibility of extending the contract. Might upset the current players, but what they gunna do. Stop trying to play? Would we notice?
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Post by willo on Oct 29, 2023 13:55:25 GMT 1
It’s quite simple to me. We keep Moore and we’re going down, nailed on certainty. We get rid and bring it in the right man, we stay up. I reckon they’ll give him another month, but it’s a very tough run of fixtures, we won’t improve and he’ll be gone. The new man then has a longer run of fixtures in December to ascertain what is required in January and enough quality will be brought in to allow us to survive. This is how it SHOULD play out. We’re not down and out as it stands, how can we be when we’re only at the end of October, but someone has to be bold, admit they got it badly wrong with Moore and do what’s required to change things again. The only other alternative is relegation. We plod on without things changing and the fans will simply stop turning up. I agree with you but I can't see anyone keeping us up at the moment. We need investment in championship ready players in January and that means solid investment by people who know and understand the championship, which obviously we don't have. We can't have any more project players that need a season to get up to speed. My choice would be Rowett, solid but unspectacular and probably the next best thing to a Warnock type manager we could get outside of the man himself. Board won’t go for it though unless (possibly) we don’t win a game in November, they may be forced into it by then. Fans likely dropping off in droves by that point. |
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Post by griffa on Oct 29, 2023 14:02:55 GMT 1
Do find it funny that fans reaction to Danny Schofield taking over and having the disaster that followed was given more time by a lot of the fans and sympathy than Moore is getting all because he use to play for us, and funny enough the only reason Moore is up against it is because he followed Warnock…another agenda driven by nostalgia. Moore has made some woeful calls but look at Warnock we got slapped 4-0 in successive games admitivly by better teams but I’d argue we’d have been beaten by anyone in them games we was horrendous and we’ve made that bunch weaker! Moore isn’t the reason we are so bad that’s down to the owner, Cartwight and Edwards making bad calls too, I do think Moore won’t be here for long due to me thinking the board will dismiss him to throw him under the bus to try and save face but like others have already stated, who do we get after that? He’ll already be at QPR pulling one less team out of the drop zone for us to squeeze past. Bad bad times. Darren Moore is out of his depth, remember discussion last season, about how much relegation would cost Town, it was estimated it would cost lost revenue of between £7/8 million, therefore this must be factored into retaining Darren Moore. If not re-appointing Neil & Ronnie, I'd go for Gary Rowett, doesn't play exciting football, but knows how to organise a team - UTT. |
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