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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 13:56:16 GMT 1
I don't know what people are expecting to be fair, as soon as KN said he had re-interviewed Cartwright for his job and decided he was the best candidate that should have sent out the biggest red flag going.
There's an audiobook called 'how to win the premier league', its an excellent listen about how data and analytics led Liverpool to the Premier League and how Brighton and Brentford got to the top. Owners who totally understood data and how to beat the odds. Frankly for a club like us its the only chance of success again and with MC in charge of recruitment its hard to see that happening anytime soon.
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Post by ben1987 on Sept 24, 2024 14:25:44 GMT 1
Only 12 points from first 6 games. Poor is that. Can see why there's all this critisism. Works out at only 92 points for the season. No where near good enough. I think that sum's up the mood on here. We’ll gloss over relegation last season then. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 24, 2024 14:28:50 GMT 1
I don't know what people are expecting to be fair, as soon as KN said he had re-interviewed Cartwright for his job and decided he was the best candidate that should have sent out the biggest red flag going. There's an audiobook called 'how to win the premier league', its an excellent listen about how data and analytics led Liverpool to the Premier League and how Brighton and Brentford got to the top. Owners who totally understood data and how to beat the odds. Frankly for a club like us its the only chance of success again and with MC in charge of recruitment its hard to see that happening anytime soon. The challenge with Cartwright is: What was his remit What budget did he have to work with What is his review period As fans we can simply, and maybe justifiably say "this bloke is wholly in charge of making the football team better, he clearly hasn't" or to put more bluntly "we think he's shite" but Mr Nagle has to take ultimate responsibility for his appointment and his output. As this thread is titled the buck stops with Kev. At some point, and it won't be too far away if things don't significantly improve where Mr Nagle will have to address this. He also needs to carry some of the can himself. I'll worry if he doesn't do that if it is obvious that it is required. I don't think we are there yet but in this particular instance there can't be too much rope left. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 14:33:57 GMT 1
I don't know what people are expecting to be fair, as soon as KN said he had re-interviewed Cartwright for his job and decided he was the best candidate that should have sent out the biggest red flag going. There's an audiobook called 'how to win the premier league', its an excellent listen about how data and analytics led Liverpool to the Premier League and how Brighton and Brentford got to the top. Owners who totally understood data and how to beat the odds. Frankly for a club like us its the only chance of success again and with MC in charge of recruitment its hard to see that happening anytime soon. The challenge with Cartwright is: What was his remit What budget did he have to work with What is his review period As fans we can simply, and maybe justifiably say "this bloke is wholly in charge of making the football team better, he clearly hasn't" or to put more bluntly "we think he's shite" but Mr Nagle has to take ultimate responsibility for his appointment and his output. As this thread is titled the buck stops with Kev. At some point, and it won't be too far away if things don't significantly improve where Mr Nagle will have to address this. He also needs to carry some of the can himself. I'll worry if he doesn't do that if it is obvious that it is required. I don't think we are there yet but in this particular instance there can't be too much rope left. I don't really understand why our fans have bought into him so much in honesty, apart from the fact he's said all the right things on twitter the hard facts are we have gone backwards under him, funnily it all started to spiral when he outed 'my hero' as everybody likes to tell me. Sac Republic fans give us a right to heighten that concern. Quite frankly I don't think we're in "safe hands" anything but, there's more questions than answers currently. We still don't know how the club is been funded either to add a question to your above points, is Rudoni funding the improvements to the stadium etc? We won't really know until the books come out. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 20:44:39 GMT 1
Until this club is sold to somebody with any inclination of how to run an English football league club we’re just going to continually go backwards.
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Post by theterrier42 on Sept 24, 2024 20:52:56 GMT 1
I might be in minority but I’m not blaming Kev at all for this. The team is good enough to win most games at this level. It’s on Duff and the overpaid players who are all losers and look half arsed
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Post by workshyfop on Sept 24, 2024 20:53:44 GMT 1
My concern with KN, as I probably mentioned 100 pages back, is that he said he’d buy the club even if we got relegated. He then didn’t finance Championship level players and we eventually got relegated a year later. So, is he more comfortable with the cost of League 1 football? Again, this summer, we sold Rudoni and shipped out Thomas, then baulked at the price of buying a proven striker and ended up signing someone out of contract and an unproven youngster. I’m not sure what the plan is exactly, but it doesn’t look like he’s willing to fund the players we need. Having said that, whoever is advising him in football matters is absolutely useless.
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Post by Sio on Sept 24, 2024 20:57:36 GMT 1
I might be in minority but I’m not blaming Kev at all for this. The team is good enough to win most games at this level. It’s on Duff and the overpaid players who are all losers and look half arsed I'm a bit of a Kev critic but I think you're right here - not totally convinced he could do much more. It's either Duff or Cartwright for me, and there is only one common denominator in our previous two years of total failure. We're a bunch of losers. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 24, 2024 20:59:35 GMT 1
Until this club is sold to somebody with any inclination of how to run an English football league club we’re just going to continually go backwards. Don't kid yourself into thinking this rot started when KN arrived, it's been 5 years in the making. Granted he hasn't managed to stop it, but as far as this season goes, what else could he realistically have done differently? - Town fans were happy with appointment of Duff - The transfer window was widely regarded to have addressed most of our weak areas, with players that fans seemed relatively happy with -Made long overdue improvements to the stadium This is isn't an attempt to gloss over the fact that we are in League one, but let's not pretend that the majority of Town fans weren't happy with how things were going into, and during the first few weeks of the season. The only thing that has changed is the rapid decline in the quality of performance on the pitch, which can be laid overwhelmingly at Duff's door IMO. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 21:03:42 GMT 1
Until this club is sold to somebody with any inclination of how to run an English football league club we’re just going to continually go backwards. Don't kid yourself into thinking this rot started when KN arrived, it's been 5 years in the making. Granted he hasn't managed to stop it, but as far as this season goes, what else could he realistically have done differently? - Town fans were happy with appointment of Duff - The transfer window was widely regarded to have addressed most of our weak areas, with players that fans seemed relatively happy with -Made long overdue improvements to the stadium This is isn't an attempt to gloss over the fact that we are in League one, but let's not pretend that the majority of Town fans weren't happy with how things were going into, and during the first few weeks of the season. The only thing that has changed is the rapid decline in the quality of performance on the pitch, which can be laid overwhelmingly at Duff's door IMO. So we bring in the 5th manager under KN and it’s not his fault? I agree the issues started long before but he’s made things worse especially when he had the opportunity to settle it down for a while whilst he got used to running a professional football club. He’s banged on and promised the earth on social media and delivered none of it yet town fans seem to think we’re in safe hands. Until we have ownership and a director of football that actually understand the sport and also recognise it’s dumb to tweet about performances every week nothing will change. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 24, 2024 21:08:37 GMT 1
Don't kid yourself into thinking this rot started when KN arrived, it's been 5 years in the making. Granted he hasn't managed to stop it, but as far as this season goes, what else could he realistically have done differently? - Town fans were happy with appointment of Duff - The transfer window was widely regarded to have addressed most of our weak areas, with players that fans seemed relatively happy with -Made long overdue improvements to the stadium This is isn't an attempt to gloss over the fact that we are in League one, but let's not pretend that the majority of Town fans weren't happy with how things were going into, and during the first few weeks of the season. The only thing that has changed is the rapid decline in the quality of performance on the pitch, which can be laid overwhelmingly at Duff's door IMO. So we bring in the 5th manager under KN and it’s not his fault? I agree the issues started long before but he’s made things worse especially when he had the opportunity to settle it down for a while whilst he got used to running a professional football club. He’s banged on and promised the earth on social media and delivered none of it yet town fans seem to think we’re in safe hands. Until we have ownership and a director of football that actually understand the sport and also recognise it’s dumb to tweet about performances every week nothing will change. But it's not his job to select the manager. I'll say it again, where were the complaints when Duff was appointed? Or when we won 4 on the bounce? Be honest and tell me, were you bemoaning his appointment at the time? |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 21:10:58 GMT 1
So we bring in the 5th manager under KN and it’s not his fault? I agree the issues started long before but he’s made things worse especially when he had the opportunity to settle it down for a while whilst he got used to running a professional football club. He’s banged on and promised the earth on social media and delivered none of it yet town fans seem to think we’re in safe hands. Until we have ownership and a director of football that actually understand the sport and also recognise it’s dumb to tweet about performances every week nothing will change. But it's not his job to select the manager. I'll say it again, where were the complaints when Duff was appointed? Or when we won 4 on the bounce? Be honest and tell me, were you bemoaning his appointment at the time? I genuinely liked the duff appointment, I don’t blame him either. He was undermined after the loss in a league cup game nobody cared about through twitter yet again. Cartwright absolutely needs to go but do you have the faith that KN has any clue what good looks like in that role considering he’s basically appointed Cartwright twice (claimed he reinterviewed him in the summer). |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Sept 24, 2024 21:24:20 GMT 1
But it's not his job to select the manager. I'll say it again, where were the complaints when Duff was appointed? Or when we won 4 on the bounce? Be honest and tell me, were you bemoaning his appointment at the time? I genuinely liked the duff appointment, I don’t blame him either. He was undermined after the loss in a league cup game nobody cared about through twitter yet again. Cartwright absolutely needs to go but do you have the faith that KN has any clue what good looks like in that role considering he’s basically appointed Cartwright twice (claimed he reinterviewed him in the summer). Oh come off it, you really think Duff has been getting tactics/selections right? I wholeheartedly agree that Cartwright's position is now essentially untenable, but again, Duff is largely the straw that broke that camels back. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 21:29:23 GMT 1
I genuinely liked the duff appointment, I don’t blame him either. He was undermined after the loss in a league cup game nobody cared about through twitter yet again. Cartwright absolutely needs to go but do you have the faith that KN has any clue what good looks like in that role considering he’s basically appointed Cartwright twice (claimed he reinterviewed him in the summer). Oh come off it, you really think Duff has been getting tactics/selections right? I wholeheartedly agree that Cartwright's position is now essentially untenable, but again, Duff is largely the straw that broke that camels back. Agreed but I have zero faith we could bring anybody in better. He’s clearly a one tricky pony and has been badly exposed by the Northampton manager of all people. |
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Sept 24, 2024 21:40:54 GMT 1
Lost all faith in KN when he sacked NW after 7 games. It’s been all downhill since and doesn’t look like stopping. No point in replacing MD whilst ever Cartwright is DOF as I’ve even less faith in him to get it right
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Post by TJTown on Sept 24, 2024 21:50:46 GMT 1
Looks like we've got one of the turgid ones. Only going one way with this fucking idiot and his stubborn, naive and arrogant mindset.
Cartwright should have been gone and a total reset should have been implemented.
Instead we've signed a load of shit (again!!!) pissing money up the wall, and look destined for another shit slog of a season. The lot of them can fuck off. They don't deserve the backing we give them, they're taking the piss out of us all.
Looking more like League 2 than a return to the champ and it's not unrealistic.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 24, 2024 21:51:54 GMT 1
I might be in minority but I’m not blaming Kev at all for this. The team is good enough to win most games at this level. It’s on Duff and the overpaid players who are all losers and look half arsed Those he's put in charge and those he trusts are massively underperforming. That solely is on his head. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Sept 24, 2024 21:55:36 GMT 1
Don’t panic, he will be along with his mate (who has even less idea) giving us a diary to make it all better soon.
Strangely they have both been quiet of late, I wonder why.
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 24, 2024 21:57:10 GMT 1
Don’t panic, he will be along with his mate (who has even less idea) giving us a diary to make it all better soon. Strangely they have both been quiet of late, I wonder why. Wait for the obligatory "Not good enough" tweet. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Sept 24, 2024 22:02:15 GMT 1
Don’t panic, he will be along with his mate (who has even less idea) giving us a diary to make it all better soon. Strangely they have both been quiet of late, I wonder why. Wait for the obligatory "Not good enough" tweet. We didn’t get one Saturday? Has he actually learnt something? |
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Post by tottz on Sept 24, 2024 22:02:37 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium
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Post by ldr on Sept 24, 2024 22:05:49 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium He’s put some nice signs up on Leeds Road! 👍🏻 |
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Post by scroutum on Sept 24, 2024 22:06:56 GMT 1
Mr nagle regardless of his faults in my opinion as the club at heart. Just needs to put the right people in charge and is been guided the wrong way.Kev come see me I’ll guide you better than the current shower
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 22:07:16 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium 100% largely because they are heavily involved in data and analytics. Hopefully he will get bored and sell soon. |
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Post by ldr on Sept 24, 2024 22:07:45 GMT 1
OK, if we hook Duff, Cartwright HAS to follow. Who the hell in their right mind takes these crucial positions mid season at a broken club like ours? Seriously, who?
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 24, 2024 22:07:53 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium Wonder how we would have faired under an ex chairman who didn’t cripple us with demands for his “loans” back? |
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Post by ldr on Sept 24, 2024 22:08:46 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium 100% largely because they are heavily involved in data and analytics. Hopefully he will get bored and sell soon. Who the hell would want to buy it? |
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 24, 2024 22:09:15 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium 100% largely because they are heavily involved in data and analytics. Hopefully he will get bored and sell soon. Or maybe they know exactly what they’re doing and have no clue like our chairman and are milking him dry like a lot of vultures did in the prem years. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Sept 24, 2024 22:09:57 GMT 1
Football wise, he has done absolutely everything wrong since he came in. Wonder how we'd have fared under the Dutch consortium Wonder how we would have faired under an ex chairman who didn’t cripple us with demands for his “loans” back? Had the current chairman refrained from petulantly posting on twitter , NW would still be here and we would be a comfortable Championship side. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 24, 2024 22:10:25 GMT 1
100% largely because they are heavily involved in data and analytics. Hopefully he will get bored and sell soon. Who the hell would want to buy it? Yeah fair we’re cooked. |
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