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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 14:01:24 GMT 1
That’s exactly how i see it. Barnsley and Charlton? They are in the doldrums and will be for years. Stockport were the Wrexham of non league before Wrexham and riding a  . Which of the previous owners do you want back other than Hoyle and Nagle? Davey? Potless without parachute money? Long bottom? Binns or whatever they were called. All men who cannot afford a successful club. We’ve been shit for my entire lifetime with the exception of when 3 rich multi millionaires fancied a throw of the dice. Rich owners are not the norm for Huddersfield Town and when they are not here we are shit (yes even shitter than we are right now) The game and the ownerships involved in it have changed vastly since Hoyle took charge in 2008 - your talk about previous owners before him as though they would be the only viable alternatives is again a completely narrow-minded view. Don't look at the pre-Hoyle days as the norm. Times have moved on. Wealthy owners are a lot more common; and you don't have to rely on some local businessman to step up to the plate especially for a reasonably attractive club like ours. Kevin, on paper, looked like the exact type of owner you would want to come in, and could expect to do so given our potential as a club. I really hope he gets things together because we have a lot of promise that is being criminally unfulfilled. We are both clearly as upset as each other about how it’s going. You might even be right that we are more attractive than when Rubery wanted out and we spiralled almost out of existence. I know i harp on about Bradford but look at their stadium and fan base.  are they doing in Division 4? The answer is simple no one wants to invest in a West Yorkshire club that loses money, why are we any different. Cause we were good 100 years ago? For me an owner only really has 2 jobs. Put the money up and employ good people. He’s exceeding my expectations on the first and failing on the second. To this day the whole Warnock thing blows my mind, i sent numerous messages on Kevin’s favourite communication tool telling him that his cronies were plunging us into a relegation battle. Maynard warned us on here they were making an error with Shitenrighter thinking long term rather than short. I’m not defending anyone but like was mentioned on the Hogg chat. Careful what you wish for, things could easily be worse. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 25, 2024 14:25:17 GMT 1
The game and the ownerships involved in it have changed vastly since Hoyle took charge in 2008 - your talk about previous owners before him as though they would be the only viable alternatives is again a completely narrow-minded view. Don't look at the pre-Hoyle days as the norm. Times have moved on. Wealthy owners are a lot more common; and you don't have to rely on some local businessman to step up to the plate especially for a reasonably attractive club like ours. Kevin, on paper, looked like the exact type of owner you would want to come in, and could expect to do so given our potential as a club. I really hope he gets things together because we have a lot of promise that is being criminally unfulfilled. We are both clearly as upset as each other about how it’s going. You might even be right that we are more attractive than when Rubery wanted out and we spiralled almost out of existence. I know i harp on about Bradford but look at their stadium and fan base. are they doing in Division 4? The answer is simple no one wants to invest in a West Yorkshire club that loses money, why are we any different. Cause we were good 100 years ago?For me an owner only really has 2 jobs. Put the money up and employ good people. He’s exceeding my expectations on the first and failing on the second. To this day the whole Warnock thing blows my mind, i sent numerous messages on Kevin’s favourite communication tool telling him that his cronies were plunging us into a relegation battle. Maynard warned us on here they were making an error with Shitenrighter thinking long term rather than short. I’m not defending anyone but like was mentioned on the Hogg chat. Careful what you wish for, things could easily be worse. I just don't get this at all. Every club loses money except a very select few, and even they're contentious. Plenty of 'unattractive' clubs (in your eyes) have been bought, invested in, and succeeded. I mean, who on earth predicted this Wrexham story? An anomaly of course; but don't keep telling yourself that nobody would be interested in a club like ours, because it's nonsense. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 14:44:41 GMT 1
We are both clearly as upset as each other about how it’s going. You might even be right that we are more attractive than when Rubery wanted out and we spiralled almost out of existence. I know i harp on about Bradford but look at their stadium and fan base. are they doing in Division 4? The answer is simple no one wants to invest in a West Yorkshire club that loses money, why are we any different. Cause we were good 100 years ago?For me an owner only really has 2 jobs. Put the money up and employ good people. He’s exceeding my expectations on the first and failing on the second. To this day the whole Warnock thing blows my mind, i sent numerous messages on Kevin’s favourite communication tool telling him that his cronies were plunging us into a relegation battle. Maynard warned us on here they were making an error with Shitenrighter thinking long term rather than short. I’m not defending anyone but like was mentioned on the Hogg chat. Careful what you wish for, things could easily be worse. I just don't get this at all. Every club loses money except a very select few, and even they're contentious. Plenty of 'unattractive' clubs (in your eyes) have been bought, invested in, and succeeded. I mean, who on earth predicted this Wrexham story? An anomaly of course; but don't keep telling yourself that nobody would be interested in a club like ours, because it's nonsense. The past tells me different. Every single club i can think of with large investment there is a clear motive. Usually a fan of the club (i’m not aware that Reece Dinsdale has billions or any other fan) But Wrexham, genius by the 2 chaps to see what their celebrity could bring. Stockport, a club in its knees someone saw could easily achieve a few promotions. Fulham back in the day in Division 4 what an opportunity. Man city, an opportunity to win everything in sight. Birmingham HUGH potential to almost build an entire area. I love Huddersfield Town but why anyone else would i want to get involved is beyond me. We own nothing, the surrounding area is on its arse and a tiny loyal fanbase who couldn’t half fill its small stadium in the Premier League if we charged the going rate for Premier League tickets. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 25, 2024 14:53:51 GMT 1
I just don't get this at all. Every club loses money except a very select few, and even they're contentious. Plenty of 'unattractive' clubs (in your eyes) have been bought, invested in, and succeeded. I mean, who on earth predicted this Wrexham story? An anomaly of course; but don't keep telling yourself that nobody would be interested in a club like ours, because it's nonsense. The past tells me different. Every single club i can think of with large investment there is a clear motive. Usually a fan of the club (i’m not aware that Reece Dinsdale has billions or any other fan) But Wrexham, genius by the 2 chaps to see what their celebrity could bring. Stockport, a club in its knees someone saw could easily achieve a few promotions. Fulham back in the day in Division 4 what an opportunity. Man city, an opportunity to win everything in sight. Birmingham HUGH potential to almost build an entire area. I love Huddersfield Town but why anyone else would i want to get involved is beyond me. We own nothing, the surrounding area is on its arse and a tiny loyal fanbase who couldn’t half fill its small stadium in the Premier League if we charged the going rate for Premier League tickets. If you believe this, and your examples are baffling (have you seen the environment that Stockport/Wrexham are in? Birmingham have failed, largely, for decades). There is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER why OUR CLUB cannot be better. To say we couldn't sell tickets in the Premier League is utter nonsense. The success of 2016-2018 lifted so many people, many of who didn't attend a game. I passionately will ALWAYS believe that our club has potential. It just needs someone with the vision, plan and investment to realise it. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 25, 2024 14:58:04 GMT 1
Its all gone very quiet since the end of the transfer window from KN and I don't recall seeing his sidekick posting on here since then too. Maybe they've decided they've done / are doing their bit off the field, its down to the football to look after the football now. I’m here and reading every day, but yeah- that last part (still working on off the field for my part) In reading the views there is one message that I hope jumps out, above the anger, frustration, ranting - we all want to things to be better. The fans want something to get behind, support and enjoy. As it stands that isn't, consistently, happening. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 15:19:41 GMT 1
The past tells me different. Every single club i can think of with large investment there is a clear motive. Usually a fan of the club (i’m not aware that Reece Dinsdale has billions or any other fan) But Wrexham, genius by the 2 chaps to see what their celebrity could bring. Stockport, a club in its knees someone saw could easily achieve a few promotions. Fulham back in the day in Division 4 what an opportunity. Man city, an opportunity to win everything in sight. Birmingham HUGH potential to almost build an entire area. I love Huddersfield Town but why anyone else would i want to get involved is beyond me. We own nothing, the surrounding area is on its arse and a tiny loyal fanbase who couldn’t half fill its small stadium in the Premier League if we charged the going rate for Premier League tickets. If you believe this, and your examples are baffling (have you seen the environment that Stockport/Wrexham are in? Birmingham have failed, largely, for decades). There is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER why OUR CLUB cannot be better. To say we couldn't sell tickets in the Premier League is utter nonsense. The success of 2016-2018 lifted so many people, many of who didn't attend a game. I passionately will ALWAYS believe that our club has potential. It just needs someone with the vision, plan and investment to realise it. I dont think we are disagreeing i just can’t see why we would be appealing to a different owner whereas the above examples seem obvious opportunities. If Kevin stays for the long haul you are right why can’t we aim high but it feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity to me and yet the one man giving me hope is getting dogs abuse 😂 with good reason might i add. Where me and the original poster differ is if this American adventure ends in the future 7th or whatever we are in this league could look very appealing. |
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Post by Sio on Sept 25, 2024 15:43:01 GMT 1
If you believe this, and your examples are baffling (have you seen the environment that Stockport/Wrexham are in? Birmingham have failed, largely, for decades). There is absolutely NO REASON WHATSOEVER why OUR CLUB cannot be better. To say we couldn't sell tickets in the Premier League is utter nonsense. The success of 2016-2018 lifted so many people, many of who didn't attend a game. I passionately will ALWAYS believe that our club has potential. It just needs someone with the vision, plan and investment to realise it. I dont think we are disagreeing i just can’t see why we would be appealing to a different owner whereas the above examples seem obvious opportunities. If Kevin stays for the long haul you are right why can’t we aim high but it feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity to me and yet the one man giving me hope is getting dogs abuse 😂 with good reason might i add. Where me and the original poster differ is if this American adventure ends in the future 7th or whatever we are in this league could look very appealing. It isn't. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 25, 2024 15:53:11 GMT 1
I dont think we are disagreeing i just can’t see why we would be appealing to a different owner whereas the above examples seem obvious opportunities. If Kevin stays for the long haul you are right why can’t we aim high but it feels like a once in a lifetime opportunity to me and yet the one man giving me hope is getting dogs abuse 😂 with good reason might i add. Where me and the original poster differ is if this American adventure ends in the future 7th or whatever we are in this league could look very appealing. It isn't. It shouldn't be if planned and paid for.......I think the 'miracle' of how we got promoted last time may be once in a lifetime............ |
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Post by King Neil on Sept 28, 2024 15:07:33 GMT 1
Your getting everything right off the field kev
Just a shame your ego got the better of you when you sacked the championship king Neil warnock!!
It's all gone great since then hasn't it!
Swallow your pride and ask Neil and jeppo to return
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Post by irverino on Sept 28, 2024 16:38:10 GMT 1
Needs to seriously think about hopping on the plane after tomorrows Sacramento game & get over for Brum/Barnsley matches to try influence some reaction.......Staring at two more defeats currently, if he wants promotion that badly (don't we all) then he needs to try stop the rot, its his call!
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 28, 2024 16:48:40 GMT 1
As it stands we are now closer to the bottom 4 than we are to the top of the league. That's fucking scandalous.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 28, 2024 17:12:35 GMT 1
Pipes up with a 'not acceptable' post after our piss pot trophy defeat with a load of young debutants, we've lost 3 on the bounce in the league and not a peep?
Is he coming over anytime soon because the club is sinking fast and the people he's employed to run the club are not fit for purpose.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 28, 2024 17:21:26 GMT 1
Look on the bright side, we won't have to put up with Big Kevs ruthless, misplaced optimism on Twitter tonight.
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On the other hand....what if he called it a day, tonight?😳
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Post by runner76 on Sept 28, 2024 17:24:39 GMT 1
As it stands we are now closer to the bottom 4 than we are to the top of the league. That's fucking scandalous. 5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 28, 2024 17:44:45 GMT 1
As it stands we are now closer to the bottom 4 than we are to the top of the league. That's fucking scandalous. 5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. You wouldn't class 8th in the table after losing 5 out of 6 games, including 3 league games on the spin as scandalous? |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 28, 2024 17:47:40 GMT 1
5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. You wouldn't class 8th in the table after losing 5 out of 6 games, including 3 league games on the spin as scandalous? No. |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 28, 2024 17:52:47 GMT 1
The game and the ownerships involved in it have changed vastly since Hoyle took charge in 2008 - your talk about previous owners before him as though they would be the only viable alternatives is again a completely narrow-minded view. Don't look at the pre-Hoyle days as the norm. Times have moved on. Wealthy owners are a lot more common; and you don't have to rely on some local businessman to step up to the plate especially for a reasonably attractive club like ours. Kevin, on paper, looked like the exact type of owner you would want to come in, and could expect to do so given our potential as a club. I really hope he gets things together because we have a lot of promise that is being criminally unfulfilled. We are both clearly as upset as each other about how it’s going. You might even be right that we are more attractive than when Rubery wanted out and we spiralled almost out of existence. I know i harp on about Bradford but look at their stadium and fan base. are they doing in Division 4? The answer is simple no one wants to invest in a West Yorkshire club that loses money, why are we any different. Cause we were good 100 years ago? For me an owner only really has 2 jobs. Put the money up and employ good people. He’s exceeding my expectations on the first and failing on the second. To this day the whole Warnock thing blows my mind, i sent numerous messages on Kevin’s favourite communication tool telling him that his cronies were plunging us into a relegation battle. Maynard warned us on here they were making an error with Shitenrighter thinking long term rather than short. I’m not defending anyone but like was mentioned on the Hogg chat. Careful what you wish for, things could easily be worse. I agree but Bradford are currently where they have been for most of their history. Until the Richmond era, 10k was considered a huge crowd and their ground was 4th division standard and in some ways still is. It was rebuilt completely without infrastructure and is a ball and chain when it comes to investment.. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 28, 2024 17:55:57 GMT 1
You wouldn't class 8th in the table after losing 5 out of 6 games, including 3 league games on the spin as scandalous? No. Why don't you start a poll to see what the masses think? |
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Post by 28901 on Sept 28, 2024 18:04:57 GMT 1
5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. You wouldn't class 8th in the table after losing 5 out of 6 games, including 3 league games on the spin as scandalous? Including 2 defeats to 4th division reserve sides |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 28, 2024 18:07:19 GMT 1
5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. You wouldn't class 8th in the table after losing 5 out of 6 games, including 3 league games on the spin as scandalous? 8th is abit of a false position aswell seen as 4 teams below us have a chance to jump above us with their games in hand. |
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Post by tottz on Sept 28, 2024 18:08:36 GMT 1
Doesn't matter how much money you have, what matters is whether thr club is run well or poorly and for years we've been the latter.
Nagle has run the club badly and we have been relegated. As long as he continues to do run things badly, we'll struggle. If he runs the club OK we may scrape up through the play offs at some point.
If he somehow manages to do a complete U-turn and starts running is with a level of competency, Championship guaranteed and an outside chance of the playoffs to the Premier League await.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 28, 2024 23:49:17 GMT 1
Horrendous 12 months under Nagle. A complete mess from top to bottom.
The sooner we have an owner who actually understands how to run a professional English football team the better. The fans deserve better the club has been pathetic for years and there’s no sign of it changing.
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 28, 2024 23:58:19 GMT 1
Doesn't matter how much money you have, what matters is whether thr club is run well or poorly and for years we've been the latter. Nagle has run the club badly and we have been relegated. As long as he continues to do run things badly, we'll struggle. If he runs the club OK we may scrape up through the play offs at some point. If he somehow manages to do a complete U-turn and starts running is with a level of competency, Championship guaranteed and an outside chance of the playoffs to the Premier League await. Genuine question, how is the club being run badly? Being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what? What do you think are the actions by KN that have led to us being where we are? Let's do a root cause analysis because it's easy to say x is shit or y is shit but unless you actually know the facts then it's all hyperbole |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Sept 29, 2024 0:11:31 GMT 1
Doesn't matter how much money you have, what matters is whether thr club is run well or poorly and for years we've been the latter. Nagle has run the club badly and we have been relegated. As long as he continues to do run things badly, we'll struggle. If he runs the club OK we may scrape up through the play offs at some point. If he somehow manages to do a complete U-turn and starts running is with a level of competency, Championship guaranteed and an outside chance of the playoffs to the Premier League await. Genuine question, how is the club being run badly? Being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what? What do you think are the actions by KN that have led to us being where we are? Let's do a root cause analysis because it's easy to say x is shit or y is shit but unless you actually know the facts then it's all hyperbole You have to be proper, proper, proper thick to not realise that pushing Warnock out got us relegated. Either that or you have your head that far in the sand you have zero common sense. |
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Post by Big Ern on Sept 29, 2024 0:55:14 GMT 1
Genuine question, how is the club being run badly? Being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what? What do you think are the actions by KN that have led to us being where we are? Let's do a root cause analysis because it's easy to say x is shit or y is shit but unless you actually know the facts then it's all hyperbole You have to be proper, proper, proper thick to not realise that pushing Warnock out got us relegated. Either that or you have your head that far in the sand you have zero common sense. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, you are saying that the whole reason we are where we are is because we got rid of Warnock? Nothing else? |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 29, 2024 1:01:48 GMT 1
Doesn't matter how much money you have, what matters is whether thr club is run well or poorly and for years we've been the latter. Nagle has run the club badly and we have been relegated. As long as he continues to do run things badly, we'll struggle. If he runs the club OK we may scrape up through the play offs at some point. If he somehow manages to do a complete U-turn and starts running is with a level of competency, Championship guaranteed and an outside chance of the playoffs to the Premier League await. Genuine question, how is the club being run badly? Being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what? What do you think are the actions by KN that have led to us being where we are? Let's do a root cause analysis because it's easy to say x is shit or y is shit but unless you actually know the facts then it's all hyperbole Serious answer "being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what", maybe a consequence of losing a lot of games. Root analysis is we signed a number of players who lack both motivation and graft and a striker who doesn't score goals, it's not rocket science. The fact is living in the real world is not hyperbole and x, y and z mean sod all when a club is in terminal decline. I hope Nagle is the kind of guy who will act fast to arrest what is looking like yet another relegation battle. |
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Post by willo on Sept 29, 2024 1:11:20 GMT 1
Doesn't matter how much money you have, what matters is whether thr club is run well or poorly and for years we've been the latter. Nagle has run the club badly and we have been relegated. As long as he continues to do run things badly, we'll struggle. If he runs the club OK we may scrape up through the play offs at some point. If he somehow manages to do a complete U-turn and starts running is with a level of competency, Championship guaranteed and an outside chance of the playoffs to the Premier League await. Genuine question, how is the club being run badly? Being relegated is a consequence but a consequence of what? What do you think are the actions by KN that have led to us being where we are? Let's do a root cause analysis because it's easy to say x is shit or y is shit but unless you actually know the facts then it's all hyperbole 1) sacking Warnock 2) replacing him with Darren Moore who we all knew would be shite 3) replacing Moore with Breitenreiter, an unknown to English football when we needed a Rowett type, someone who knew the Championship. You could add to that we spent nowhere near what was required to keep us competitive in the Championship in the summer of 2023 nor brought in the right players in January to keep us up. This lies at Cartwright’s door and Nagle appointed him. The bad decision making goes right to the top. |
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Post by wigster on Sept 29, 2024 2:21:03 GMT 1
As it stands we are now closer to the bottom 4 than we are to the top of the league. That's fucking scandalous. 5 points safe of relegation and 1 point of playoffs. Not a quarter into the season. I’d hardly class it as scandalous. If Birmingham win their game in hand, and beat us, they will be thirteen points ahead of us at the beginning of November. That is not "scandalous" but it's bloody disappointing and worthy of comment. |
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Post by stevvy on Sept 29, 2024 7:10:39 GMT 1
Wish people would stop going on about other teams games in hand so we can drop further. It isn't the final week of the season, the games in hand aren't this midweek, so those sorts of comments are nonsense and pointless, because by the time those games in hand come around, the table will look different to how it does now.
It's not the final week of the season. If it was, fair enough, but it isn't, so the games in hand nonsense peddled by some (including saying we can drop further places because of them) is, to put it simply, totally irrelevant.
Nobody even has a game in hand scheduled until the back end of October, and even then it's currently only 3 games, and there's an international break to come which will mean most teams having games postponed (likely including us)
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 29, 2024 8:26:59 GMT 1
Wish people would stop going on about other teams games in hand so we can drop further. It isn't the final week of the season, the games in hand aren't this midweek, so those sorts of comments are nonsense and pointless, because by the time those games in hand come around, the table will look different to how it does now. It's not the final week of the season. If it was, fair enough, but it isn't, so the games in hand nonsense peddled by some (including saying we can drop further places because of them) is, to put it simply, totally irrelevant. Nobody even has a game in hand scheduled until the back end of October, and even then it's currently only 3 games, and there's an international break to come which will mean most teams having games postponed (likely including us) At full time yesterday we were 8th which I pointed out was a false position, we're now 10th. How is that irrelevant? 🤔 |
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