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Post by tottz on Sept 30, 2024 14:26:42 GMT 1
A huge difference in being run badly and making a couple of wrong decisions. Has Nagle made mistakes? Yes. Is he running the club badly? Not a chance. Sorry but he is running the club badly. The biggest part of our revenue comes from the pitch. If we continue down the same path as he is taking us on… ie nowhere, then next season the season cards will be down Thus creating less income. So please tell me how that isnt running the club badly ? Agree Dunc, by almost every barometer he's doing a sub-par job. I hope he can put that right and learn from his mistakes though, his reported level of wealth would suggest he's more than capable of doing that so fingers crossed. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Sept 30, 2024 15:00:25 GMT 1
A huge difference in being run badly and making a couple of wrong decisions. Has Nagle made mistakes? Yes. Is he running the club badly? Not a chance. Sorry but he is running the club badly. The biggest part of our revenue comes from the pitch. If we continue down the same path as he is taking us on… ie nowhere, then next season the season cards will be down Thus creating less income. So please tell me how that isnt running the club badly ? Spot on |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Sept 30, 2024 16:22:53 GMT 1
Sorry but he is running the club badly. The biggest part of our revenue comes from the pitch. If we continue down the same path as he is taking us on… ie nowhere, then next season the season cards will be down Thus creating less income. So please tell me how that isnt running the club badly ? By eventually owning the stadium it will provide a lot more income. I am also sure that the same things were said last season and the season before that. Ticket sales actually increased. On the pitch it hasn't been great but we have played 8 games. Plenty of time yet. We could make £500m profit p/a but if the guy in charge of bringing in footballers capable of playing football is unable to do so, the club will be being run badly. |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 30, 2024 16:28:09 GMT 1
I don't blame Nagle at all, it's the people he put in to run the show that is letting us down. Problem i see is, Mr Nagle doesn't have much clue about football in this country so how do other clubs do it who have owners in different parts of the world.
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Post by Sio on Sept 30, 2024 16:29:04 GMT 1
I don't blame Nagle at all, it's the people he put in to run the show that is letting us down. Problem i see is, Mr Nagle doesn't have much clue about football in this country so how do other clubs do it who have owners in different parts of the world. They employ the right people |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Sept 30, 2024 16:31:32 GMT 1
I don't blame Nagle at all, it's the people he put in to run the show that is letting us down. Problem i see is, Mr Nagle doesn't have much clue about football in this country so how do other clubs do it who have owners in different parts of the world. They employ the right people I agree but Mr Nagle no doubt thought he had done that, i mean you can't put an add in the local job center. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Sept 30, 2024 17:14:43 GMT 1
I don't blame Nagle at all, it's the people he put in to run the show that is letting us down. Problem i see is, Mr Nagle doesn't have much clue about football in this country so how do other clubs do it who have owners in different parts of the world. The second part of your opening sentence contradicts the first part. |
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Post by waggers on Sept 30, 2024 17:20:03 GMT 1
I'm not trying to be facetious when I say this, but imagine Cardiff were taken over in a few months and the previous administration brought in Neil Warnock to save them from relegation. The new administration kept Warnock, didn't back him in the transfer window, fell out with him publicly and then sacked him for a defensive manager. Despite bad results, the owner publicly backed him, then slated him on social media and ended up sacking him toward the end of the window. The owner then waited a month or so to name a successor, who took the team down and openly criticised the playing staff. Over the summer the owner issues a rallying cry to fans and targets an immediate return to the Championship. The results of the transfer window don't match his claims. Then he goes on Twitter and repeats the same mistake, this time lambasting a team made up of young players. Oh and him and his sidekick spend a lot of time winding up Swansea fans on Twitter and bragging about a 1-1 draw. I think 99/100 people would aye, "Bloody hell that Cardiff owner's a nutter, he's dragging the club through the mud" What utter utter bollocks. The Warnock debate has been done to desth on here, but you go behind your boss' back and see what happens. Nobody is bigger than the club and Warnock was a cause of his own sacking. Ruffels, Ward and his sons agency. The whole social media thing I really don't see the issue. I see it as passio and care. He has never signalled anyone out, that's how you've twisted it. Again, the use of the word 'lambasting'is also way over the top. The money these so called professionals are paid, they should have a backbone and take the stick they have deserved, publicly or not. You're spending a lot of time spouting about Kev and Dave. So whats the point on them winding Swansea fans up? Especially Dave, he has nothing to do with the club apart from he feeds back to his mate. Such a bipolar fanbase, its cringe and pathetic. It's the same old story, a few wins it's all 'we will be promoted bla bla' a few defeats and it's 'Nagle is shit bla bla'. I agree Warnock was by no means blameless in the fall out. However, the fact Nagle didn't realise that sacking NW at that time would lead to a 99% liklihood of relegation is naive. A large majority on here knew it despite some posters bizarrely excited about total football Moore. Nagle put himself in that position with Warnock and sometimes you have to bite your tongue until you know you can make that switch safely. We're in bother, and early optimism has rapidly vanished. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Sept 30, 2024 17:20:34 GMT 1
I don't blame Nagle at all, it's the people he put in to run the show that is letting us down. Problem i see is, Mr Nagle doesn't have much clue about football in this country so how do other clubs do it who have owners in different parts of the world. The second part of your opening sentence contradicts the first part. Well he is dim. |
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Post by melbourneterrier on Oct 1, 2024 2:09:53 GMT 1
Shame he came out with that. I liked him before hand, lost alot of respect for him for those comments. He can jog on. Another comment twisted. Lees was stating that we aren't going to win every game. Doesn't mean we don't try and win every game. Fair play. I unfairly made my previous judgement and comment. I had gone off the general vibe from what people had said, and hadn't listened to the interview myself I've since listened to it and a)the correct quotes and b)the context "I don't think anyones stupid enough to think we'll win every game of the season, 3s and 4s. A 1-0 win is still a win" also "people are deluded if you think that you're just wanna walk through the season winning every game 3/4-0 every week, 2-0 up at half time. That's not gonna happen". Possibly not the best timing to use words like "people are deluded" or "anyones stupid enough" given the current form slump, but it's not a malicious swipe at the fans. More as I guess being realistic that we aren't gonna 'walk the league' as it were. I take back my previous comment entirely and realize jumping to a conclusion wasn't the smartest thing to do. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 1, 2024 7:05:17 GMT 1
I'm not trying to be facetious when I say this, but imagine Cardiff were taken over in a few months and the previous administration brought in Neil Warnock to save them from relegation. The new administration kept Warnock, didn't back him in the transfer window, fell out with him publicly and then sacked him for a defensive manager. Despite bad results, the owner publicly backed him, then slated him on social media and ended up sacking him toward the end of the window. The owner then waited a month or so to name a successor, who took the team down and openly criticised the playing staff. Over the summer the owner issues a rallying cry to fans and targets an immediate return to the Championship. The results of the transfer window don't match his claims. Then he goes on Twitter and repeats the same mistake, this time lambasting a team made up of young players. Oh and him and his sidekick spend a lot of time winding up Swansea fans on Twitter and bragging about a 1-1 draw. I think 99/100 people would aye, "Bloody hell that Cardiff owner's a nutter, he's dragging the club through the mud" What utter utter bollocks. The Warnock debate has been done to desth on here, but you go behind your boss' back and see what happens. Nobody is bigger than the club and Warnock was a cause of his own sacking. Ruffels, Ward and his sons agency. The whole social media thing I really don't see the issue. I see it as passio and care. He has never signalled anyone out, that's how you've twisted it. Again, the use of the word 'lambasting'is also way over the top. The money these so called professionals are paid, they should have a backbone and take the stick they have deserved, publicly or not. You're spending a lot of time spouting about Kev and Dave. So whats the point on them winding Swansea fans up? Especially Dave, he has nothing to do with the club apart from he feeds back to his mate. Such a bipolar fanbase, its cringe and pathetic. It's the same old story, a few wins it's all 'we will be promoted bla bla' a few defeats and it's 'Nagle is shit bla bla'. Genuine question, you still really believe “Dave’s” connection to the club is no more than being “Kev’s” mate? I know it’s a nice story line and all which enables him to be on here pretty much scot free but come on, really? Also Il say it again, you state Warnock was the cause of his own sacking. So what exactly did he do? |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 1, 2024 8:43:35 GMT 1
What utter utter bollocks. The Warnock debate has been done to desth on here, but you go behind your boss' back and see what happens. Nobody is bigger than the club and Warnock was a cause of his own sacking. Ruffels, Ward and his sons agency. The whole social media thing I really don't see the issue. I see it as passio and care. He has never signalled anyone out, that's how you've twisted it. Again, the use of the word 'lambasting'is also way over the top. The money these so called professionals are paid, they should have a backbone and take the stick they have deserved, publicly or not. You're spending a lot of time spouting about Kev and Dave. So whats the point on them winding Swansea fans up? Especially Dave, he has nothing to do with the club apart from he feeds back to his mate. Such a bipolar fanbase, its cringe and pathetic. It's the same old story, a few wins it's all 'we will be promoted bla bla' a few defeats and it's 'Nagle is shit bla bla'. Genuine question, you still really believe “Dave’s” connection to the club is no more than being “Kev’s” mate? I know it’s a nice story line and all which enables him to be on here pretty much scot free but come on, really? Also Il say it again, you state Warnock was the cause of his own sacking. So what exactly did he do? I don’t think he’s just his ‘mate’ he states he is an advisor on HTAFC. Assume that’s basically meaning he looks on here, social media and gets some sense of the ‘state of the nation’ to feedback and advise Kev. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 1, 2024 8:48:17 GMT 1
What utter utter bollocks. The Warnock debate has been done to desth on here, but you go behind your boss' back and see what happens. Nobody is bigger than the club and Warnock was a cause of his own sacking. Ruffels, Ward and his sons agency. The whole social media thing I really don't see the issue. I see it as passio and care. He has never signalled anyone out, that's how you've twisted it. Again, the use of the word 'lambasting'is also way over the top. The money these so called professionals are paid, they should have a backbone and take the stick they have deserved, publicly or not. You're spending a lot of time spouting about Kev and Dave. So whats the point on them winding Swansea fans up? Especially Dave, he has nothing to do with the club apart from he feeds back to his mate. Such a bipolar fanbase, its cringe and pathetic. It's the same old story, a few wins it's all 'we will be promoted bla bla' a few defeats and it's 'Nagle is shit bla bla'. Genuine question, you still really believe “Dave’s” connection to the club is no more than being “Kev’s” mate? I know it’s a nice story line and all which enables him to be on here pretty much scot free but come on, really? Also Il say it again, you state Warnock was the cause of his own sacking. So what exactly did he do? Just ignore Rockwall mate, lives in his own world of delusion, shouts and swears at people when he doesn't agree. |
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Post by ram on Oct 1, 2024 10:29:34 GMT 1
The bloke who was appointed to run the football side of the club is running it badly! Kevin did that and seems satisfied with his performance,the buck stops with him. Dave,s advice must be ignored,. if indeed given.
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Post by royrace on Oct 1, 2024 10:44:28 GMT 1
Genuine question, you still really believe “Dave’s” connection to the club is no more than being “Kev’s” mate? I know it’s a nice story line and all which enables him to be on here pretty much scot free but come on, really? Also Il say it again, you state Warnock was the cause of his own sacking. So what exactly did he do? I don’t think he’s just his ‘mate’ he states he is an advisor on HTAFC. Assume that’s basically meaning he looks on here, social media and gets some sense of the ‘state of the nation’ to feedback and advise Kev. It's a very good idea from the chairman imo, although not much notice seems to have been taken of fan opinion on footballing matters so far! I guess that's probably a good thing although if he'd listened to some of us he'd never have got rid of Warnock so early, wouldn't have appointed Moore, would have appointed Rowett instead of André and we'd still be in the championship  If he'd ignored all that but listened post relegation he'd have got himself a new DoF. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 1, 2024 16:37:33 GMT 1
Genuine question, you still really believe “Dave’s” connection to the club is no more than being “Kev’s” mate? I know it’s a nice story line and all which enables him to be on here pretty much scot free but come on, really? Also Il say it again, you state Warnock was the cause of his own sacking. So what exactly did he do? Just ignore Rockwall mate, lives in his own world of delusion, shouts and swears at people when he doesn't agree. I’m just waiting for one of the posters on here who like to spin the “it was Warnocks own fault” yarn to actually elaborate on it. The fact not a single one of them can/has calls their claim into question. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 1, 2024 22:43:24 GMT 1
Back to back relegations could well happen, was Kev’s 3 year plan the conference prem so we can play at the same level as sac republic?
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Post by space hardware on Oct 1, 2024 22:49:45 GMT 1
Back to back relegations could well happen, was Kev’s 3 year plan the conference prem so we can play at the same level as sac republic? That's still a couple of levels above that chump football they play. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 2, 2024 1:34:08 GMT 1
Yet Tom Lees thinks fans are expecting too much. Shame he came out with that. I liked him before hand, lost alot of respect for him for those comments. He can jog on. Delicate little flowers wilt at the slightest breeze. |
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Post by thomo on Oct 2, 2024 9:01:31 GMT 1
Putting the anger aside, I really hope Kev is able to speak to a number of external independent English football experts (fk knows who but there's got to be someone and I don't mean another contact of MC or JE - it has to be someone totally unconnected) to get their view on the performances of Duff, Cartwright and Edwards. When reinterviewing them did someone independent sit in on those interviews and ask questions that only someone with experience of the English game could ask. As per a proper interview process Did we speak to alternatives at that point and ask what they would do were they to be given the reigns trusted to the present incumbents.
I just feel KN believes every word the two directors say at present but he has to look at this from a different angle now.
Despite the rants aimed at KN I do think the guy cares. The one thing he can't do right now is let this drift any longer. Just hope the silence is an indication of a lot of work going on behind the scenes.
If the answer is not that MC and JE are doing badly but that the long standing players are the issue do we have to be radical and tell them to stay away to keep their bad vibes outside the dressing room? Play u23 players until Jan?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2024 9:12:25 GMT 1
Didn't Nagle say Birmingham weren't scouting players, just waiting to see who we were going in for then trying to swoop in? Such a ridiculous comment. They're scouting in an abundant ocean and we're scouting in a puddle of cat piss.
Their owner held his hands up after last season and promised they'd give the fans a club to be proud of, ours said the same, the difference is, one is delivering on his promises, the other was just paying lip service.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 2, 2024 9:15:45 GMT 1
Getting relegated to league one is running the club badly. No. Years and years of poorly managed finances and decisions has caused the eventual relegation to League 1. It was always going to happen, should have happened the season before but we got very fortunate. You don't keep scraping the barrell and always come out on top. I’ve worked it out (happy to be correct) but since he’s owned the club we’ve won 13 in 55 league games. No defence, no excuses, that’s terrible. |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 2, 2024 10:19:44 GMT 1
No. Years and years of poorly managed finances and decisions has caused the eventual relegation to League 1. It was always going to happen, should have happened the season before but we got very fortunate. You don't keep scraping the barrell and always come out on top. I’ve worked it out (happy to be correct) but since he’s owned the club we’ve won 13 in 55 league games. No defence, no excuses, that’s terrible. But hey we have all those lovely murals..how dare you have any expectations |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 10:57:54 GMT 1
I’ve worked it out (happy to be correct) but since he’s owned the club we’ve won 13 in 55 league games. No defence, no excuses, that’s terrible. But hey we have all those lovely murals..how dare you have any expectations And we have a global brand now, right? |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 2, 2024 11:13:43 GMT 1
But hey we have all those lovely murals..how dare you have any expectations And we have a global brand now, right? We have nothing! 12 months since I started this thread In that time kev has got us Relegated and we are on our 4th manager We have currently lost 7 out of 11 games played And he sacked the only manager that Could get results regardless of what playing staff he had Pat on the back time kev..Great work |
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Post by ram on Oct 2, 2024 12:20:17 GMT 1
Wake up and smell the coffee Kev.
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Post by twyford on Oct 2, 2024 12:47:26 GMT 1
And we have a global brand now, right? We have nothing! 12 months since I started this thread In that time kev has got us Relegated and we are on our 4th manager We have currently lost 7 out of 11 games played And he sacked the only manager that Could get results regardless of what playing staff he had Pat on the back time kev..Great work 12 games played - we have the unusual scenario of winning a Carabao Cup game this season! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 2, 2024 13:02:38 GMT 1
You’d imagine that there’s some sort of crisis meeting going on , the football equivalent of cobra.
So, whilst there is still time, do they develop a plan to save our season and resurrect our promotion push?
Or, do they decide to live with it, resigned to being a League 1 side for 2 seasons at least whilst avoiding relegation to Division 4?
Surely it’s got to be the first option.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 2, 2024 13:11:51 GMT 1
You’d imagine that there’s some sort of crisis meeting going on , the football equivalent of cobra. So, whilst there is still time, do they develop a plan to save our season and resurrect our promotion push? Or, do they decide to live with it, resigned to being a League 1 side for 2 seasons at least whilst avoiding relegation to Division 4? Surely it’s got to be the first option. There may well be a crisis meeting, when Kev gets up that is… Isn’t it an 8h time difference. So Nagle sees our angst after games mid afternoon (after a night game), and early morning when we play at 3PM. The 8h time difference for big pow wows is nothing new in transatlantic business, but it’s alien to football supporters who want to hear from the owner when we’re in such a poor vein of form & appear rudderless on the pitch. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2024 13:26:00 GMT 1
You’d imagine that there’s some sort of crisis meeting going on , the football equivalent of cobra. So, whilst there is still time, do they develop a plan to save our season and resurrect our promotion push? Or, do they decide to live with it, resigned to being a League 1 side for 2 seasons at least whilst avoiding relegation to Division 4? Surely it’s got to be the first option. There may well be a crisis meeting, when Kev gets up that is… Isn’t it an 8h time difference. So Nagle sees our angst after games mid afternoon (after a night game), and early morning when we play at 3PM. The 8h time difference for big pow wows is nothing new in transatlantic business, but it’s alien to football supporters who want to hear from the owner when we’re in such a poor vein of form & appear rudderless on the pitch. Currently 5.25am in Sacramento, so yeah, 8 hour difference. |
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