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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 4, 2024 20:16:25 GMT 1
I doubt it. Cartwright wouldn’t have advised that.
How can you be a multi billionaire and be taken in by a chancer like Cartwright?
You can’t. What is Nagle’s end game ?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 4, 2024 20:20:49 GMT 1
I doubt it. Cartwright wouldn’t have advised that. How can you be a multi billionaire and be taken in by a chancer like Cartwright? You can’t. What is Nagle’s end game ? Maybe its part of the beswick advisory deal , that seems to be in place. That Cartwright has to be in place? |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 4, 2024 20:26:42 GMT 1
I doubt it. Cartwright wouldn’t have advised that. How can you be a multi billionaire and be taken in by a chancer like Cartwright? You can’t. What is Nagle’s end game ? Maybe its part of the beswick advisory deal , that seems to be in place. That Cartwright has to be in place? Anything is possible, but what is up side for Town? |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 4, 2024 20:30:41 GMT 1
Maybe its part of the beswick advisory deal , that seems to be in place. That Cartwright has to be in place? Anything is possible, but what is up side for Town? seemingly there isn't. I mean wolves had a deal with was it jorge mendes the agent. He brought great players to wolves, judging by Beswick sports client list. I am struggling to see any dcent players. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 4, 2024 20:48:12 GMT 1
I like the Diaries he does, just think he should talk more in depth about the business side of football rather than the playing side. Talk about what the targets are for match day revenue. We've heard him say we need to make more, but how much more do we need to make and how, as detailed as possible, are the club going to try and achieve that. Talk more about the commercial side. Again, he's said we need to make more through commercial revenue, so what are the plan for that?
When talking about stadium upgrades and improvements, please stop talking about the toilets. Yes it's annoying standing in piss because someone with a fat belly can't see the urinal properly to piss in or an old boy dribbles a load over the floor. But the vast majority of football fans don't really care about the toilets. They've used far worst at football over the years and they've most probably taken a piss in far worse places than the stadium toilets. Talk about stuff that fans have some interest in. How are they going to improve the refreshments area's on the concourses, are they going to be redesigned with more service points. Talk about the club shop and what's that's gonna look like. We hear it's going to be bigger and better, but what will it look like, what will it stock etc. Talk about how they may improve getting away from the stadium on foot after a match, especially going via St. Andrews car park. Give more details about what you would actually like to do with the stadium on match days. We've heard snippets about H-Town, but what else are you planning or would like to do. Give us a genuine glance into the future.
Don't talk about what the team are going to do in the transfer market, what positions we're gonna sign, how we're going to do in the league. We all know we're gonna be active in the transfer market, every club is. We all know we need a new and / or better strikers, more or less every club does. We all know promotion is the aim, preferably automatically. That's the aim of every club really. Even those saying the aim is to stay up, really they want to get promoted to the next level. Plus anything you say on the playing side you will be held to deliver on every word. If you don't deliver or over-deliver, you will be slaughtered. If you say nothing, then no one can say anything. Leave the football talk to the football people, that's what you said you'd do in your first press conference and subsequent interview and twitter diaries.
I know you like to use Twitter. But in this country it really is the absolute cesspool of football fans and people in general. No matter what you say you will be attacked and abused. The more you interact the worse it will get and unfortunately, the more stupid you will look to the majority of football fans that don't really engage on Twatter
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 4, 2024 21:01:38 GMT 1
Why do you think Nagle posts on twitter.
Ego - I do when it’s about work that I have done ?
Naivety - he tweets, at times , without thinking.
Look at me ? - despite all his money he needs that adulation.
Mostly it’s because he thinks he is right.
This isn’t going to end well.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 4, 2024 21:07:20 GMT 1
Give it a rest Dunc.
Your obsession with this guy is weird.
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 4, 2024 21:44:22 GMT 1
Give it a rest Dunc. Your obsession with this guy is weird. Really ? Remember this thread then when nothing changes. “Weird” ? “Weird” is what he done so far. He has secured the main asset. Tick. I don’t trust him as I’m sure some of the fan base don’t. How can you ? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 4, 2024 21:51:34 GMT 1
Give it a rest Dunc. Your obsession with this guy is weird. It’s actually more “weird” that people like your post. Work it out. Multi billionaire. Spends “pennies “. Weak weak lacks quality team. Excuses after excuses. Mm convenient |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Nov 4, 2024 22:02:24 GMT 1
Give it a rest Dunc. Your obsession with this guy is weird. It’s actually more “weird” that people like your post. Work it out. Multi billionaire. Spends “pennies “. Weak weak lacks quality team. Excuses after excuses. Mm convenient Last season I went out of my way to criticise folk who speculated (who the new signing might be or what the team might be for the next game), rather than comment after an event occurred. I, personally, was Happy to Wait and See. My comments were completely ignored, and folk still speculate. To avoid becoming even more annoyed at what I construe to be pointless wastes of time, I rarely visit threads about speculation, as, repeating the same point over and over again makes no difference to those who disagree with my point. Do you see where I'm coming from, and, where I'm hoping you will go? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2024 22:06:24 GMT 1
It’s actually more “weird” that people like your post. Work it out. Multi billionaire. Spends “pennies “. Weak weak lacks quality team. Excuses after excuses. Mm convenient Last season I went out of my way to criticise folk who speculated (who the new signing might be or what the team might be for the next game), rather than comment after an event occurred. I, personally, was Happy to Wait and See. My comments were completely ignored, and folk still speculate. To avoid becoming even more annoyed at what I construe to be pointless wastes of time, I rarely visit threads about speculation, as, repeating the same point over and over again makes no difference to those who disagree with my point. Do you see where I'm coming from, and, where I'm hoping you will go? I think that your obsession with posting on a forum for speculation when you constantly state that you despise speculation is even weirder than Dunc’s PMs to Nagle😂 |
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 4, 2024 22:07:00 GMT 1
It’s actually more “weird” that people like your post. Work it out. Multi billionaire. Spends “pennies “. Weak weak lacks quality team. Excuses after excuses. Mm convenient Last season I went out of my way to criticise folk who speculated (who the new signing might be or what the team might be for the next game), rather than comment after an event occurred. I, personally, was Happy to Wait and See. My comments were completely ignored, and folk still speculate. To avoid becoming even more annoyed at what I construe to be pointless wastes of time, I rarely visit threads about speculation, as, repeating the same point over and over again makes no difference to those who disagree with my point. Do you see where I'm coming from, and, where I'm hoping you will go? But ends a very reasonable post with a dig. It’s a forum and we all are entitled to an opinion. Jog on you self righteous prick. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Nov 4, 2024 22:15:23 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH.
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Post by htfcterry on Nov 4, 2024 22:16:13 GMT 1
Last season I went out of my way to criticise folk who speculated (who the new signing might be or what the team might be for the next game), rather than comment after an event occurred. I, personally, was Happy to Wait and See. My comments were completely ignored, and folk still speculate. To avoid becoming even more annoyed at what I construe to be pointless wastes of time, I rarely visit threads about speculation, as, repeating the same point over and over again makes no difference to those who disagree with my point. Do you see where I'm coming from, and, where I'm hoping you will go? But ends a very reasonable post with a dig. It’s a forum and we all are entitled to an opinion. Jog on you self righteous prick. I hope this post is enough to get you the ban, you don't half post some shite. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2024 22:31:05 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. Apologies if I’m being dumb, but is this a good thing or a bad thing… |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 4, 2024 22:35:55 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. maybe the difference will be, that KN wont demand it back and sell off assets to make sure they get it back? Maybe KN will sell the club for what its worth , not what he in his brain thinks he deserves ? |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 4, 2024 22:36:44 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. Are these in the form of loans to the club? Of course, DH famously said he never expected to get a penny back … |
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Post by ldr on Nov 4, 2024 22:45:26 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. Are these in the form of loans to the club? Of course, DH famously said he never expected to get a penny back … I can feel the word ‘entitled’ bubbling to the surface…😜 |
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Nov 4, 2024 22:48:12 GMT 1
Last season I went out of my way to criticise folk who speculated (who the new signing might be or what the team might be for the next game), rather than comment after an event occurred. I, personally, was Happy to Wait and See. My comments were completely ignored, and folk still speculate. To avoid becoming even more annoyed at what I construe to be pointless wastes of time, I rarely visit threads about speculation, as, repeating the same point over and over again makes no difference to those who disagree with my point. Do you see where I'm coming from, and, where I'm hoping you will go? But ends a very reasonable post with a dig. It’s a forum and we all are entitled to an opinion. Jog on you self righteous prick. Well, I tried. Hope you have better luck than me in changing opinions, but, please please let us pricks grind you down😘 |
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Post by ldr on Nov 4, 2024 22:48:19 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. Has anybody seen DH and KN in the same room? Feels a bit like the ending to an episode of Scooby Doo when Cartwright rips of KN’s mask to reveal DH! ‘I would have got away with if it wasn’t for those pesky DATMers’ |
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Post by Maynardblue on Nov 4, 2024 22:49:17 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. Apologies if I’m being dumb, but is this a good thing or a bad thing… On the face of it it's neither at this stage, just means it's not a gift (rare) and it's not via increasing equity. Means he's lending the club money which may or may not have to be repaid at some point. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Nov 4, 2024 22:55:58 GMT 1
Apologies if I’m being dumb, but is this a good thing or a bad thing… On the face of it it's neither at this stage, just means it's not a gift (rare) and it's not via increasing equity. Means he's lending the club money which may or may not have to be repaid at some point. I am suprised he has put much money in, whats the figure ? as thus far bar a bit of painting of the stadium. He defo has not invested in the squad , you know the thing that counts. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Nov 4, 2024 22:58:58 GMT 1
Apologies if I’m being dumb, but is this a good thing or a bad thing… On the face of it it's neither at this stage, just means it's not a gift (rare) and it's not via increasing equity. Means he's lending the club money which may or may not have to be repaid at some point. I guess it all depends upon his intentions, from the outside at least it appeared DH was a fan who wanted to see us do well. When it got too expensive/became ill he bailed and wanted some of his money back. Most of us on here are realistic enough to understand KN is here for more than just “becoming a terrier/being a new fan/see us do well etc etc” but whether that ultimately ends up in benefitting both him AND the club is a question that most of us don’t have the connections to answer. On my part I don’t think he is the type of guy who will intentionally screw us over for his own gain but I have no knowledge or connections to any of the inner workings at the club. For the vast majority on here and the wider fans base it’s a case of waiting and see. |
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Post by htafcdan on Nov 5, 2024 0:32:23 GMT 1
Defensively and in midfield we maybe have enough. Upfront though we are so average. Duff only has one one player that has pace and can beat a man and that’s Miller. Koroma maybe could have a touch of flair. That’s it. 55 years of watching town and there isn’t one player that really stands out. Not one. Couldn’t agree more. Last season we had players like Sorba, Rudoni and Burgzorg who got you off your seat at times( mostly to call them shite for choosing the wrong pass) and now we have Miller who beats his man then sprays it over the bar or into the keepers hands. There’s no one in this team that takes risks (maybe bar wiles when he has a pop at times) and it’s so clear to see We look scared of scoring and we’d rather pass the ball into the net than shoot. We need one if not two strikers in January who are proven at this level or higher, and still are fit and firing (not like ladapo) and certainly with some pace. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 5, 2024 0:40:29 GMT 1
At least the ATT panel minutes confirm how KN is funding the club. He's building up the clubs debt using the same method as DH. maybe the difference will be, that KN wont demand it back and sell off assets to make sure they get it back? Maybe KN will sell the club for what its worth , not what he in his brain thinks he deserves ? If Dean Hoyle didn't do that, I have a hard time believing Kevin Nagle will. I am very uneasy with this being the way he runs the club. |
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Post by DuffMan on Nov 5, 2024 1:27:59 GMT 1
are there any examples of chairman who don't run clubs this way? I would imagine 99% are funded via loans from owners with no interest
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 8:22:20 GMT 1
On the face of it it's neither at this stage, just means it's not a gift (rare) and it's not via increasing equity. Means he's lending the club money which may or may not have to be repaid at some point. I am suprised he has put much money in, whats the figure ? as thus far bar a bit of painting of the stadium. He defo has not invested in the squad , you know the thing that counts. Wah, not invested in the squad wah He’s put more money into the playing side than DH did the whole of his post PL tenure, it’s not his fault Cartwright wasted it and I can’t believe I have to post this AGAIN £3.5m last January, another £2.5m this summer, not including loan fees in both instances, not to mention the amount of cash Cartwright has wasted on manager and coaches Next will come mention of the Rudoni fee, which (again for the hard of thinking) was MORE than swallowed by the drop in income and retaining ALL non-football staff Jeebus fkn Christ |
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Post by mosher on Nov 5, 2024 8:23:47 GMT 1
are there any examples of chairman who don't run clubs this way? I would imagine 99% are funded via loans from owners with no interest Too sensible … banned 😂 |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Nov 5, 2024 8:43:44 GMT 1
I am suprised he has put much money in, whats the figure ? as thus far bar a bit of painting of the stadium. He defo has not invested in the squad , you know the thing that counts. Wah, not invested in the squad wah He’s put more money into the playing side than DH did the whole of his post PL tenure, it’s not his fault Cartwright wasted it and I can’t believe I have to post this AGAIN £3.5m last January, another £2.5m this summer, not including loan fees in both instances, not to mention the amount of cash Cartwright has wasted on manager and coaches Next will come mention of the Rudoni fee, which (again for the hard of thinking) was MORE than swallowed by the drop in income and retaining ALL non-football staff Jeebus fkn Christ Stop talking sense. We don't do that round here 😁 |
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Post by dugnet on Nov 5, 2024 8:47:03 GMT 1
I'm not particularly concerned about the financial model Mr Nagle has adopted. It is not unusual and if someone else has an interest in investing in the future there is a transparency about what the club owes (to Mr Nagle).
What would be a little more interesting would be the % split between infrastructure development (the stadium, Canalside and the Academy), the operating cost of the business (all those in the running of the club as a business) and the immediate 1st team operation (DOF, player cost, investment in new talent and 1st and B team coaching). I make this observation as it would give a indication of where the priorities are.
Elsewhere in this post someone has suggested "pennies" have been spent. That is a silly observation as it clearly isn't true. The question really is where has the proportion of the investment gone? As this would indicate, or at least give raise a question about what the priority (as Mr Nagle sees it is).
Let me make it clear that I am not criticising the investment in the team, there clearly has been a significant amount (I'll come to how that has gone and why it is important in a moment). What I am trying to establish is what the priority is and what we should expect.
The, reasonably, clear message that Mr Nagle has given is that the club needs to increase it's revenue streams. That is perfectly sensible and easy to understand. Currently the opportunities are limited to player development/sales and commercial revenues both directly from supporters and through sponsors. By taking on the stadium and developing the land it owns there is an opportunity to generate, potentially (I obviously don't know the numbers), significantly more revenue. To enable that revenue stream will require significant capital investment. That investment has to come from somewhere. Either Mr Nagle and/or partners, noting that partners will want a return for themselves and their return goes to them and not wholly to the club.
That is an ambitious and forward thinking plan. In the long term it should benefit the club and create something of value for the wider community. It will however take time to happen, probably a minimum of 5 years (at a pure guess).
The challenge is how to keep the football club moving forward simultaneously.
No one knows how much Mr Nagle is prepared to invest personally or if at somepoint attract new investment. Moreover we don't really know how much he is prepared to directly the football side as the wider development continues. My point being it might be that we need to see and be able the benefit from the infrastructure development before we see more investment in the football side.
If that is the case, and I understand it as a model then there is a question and a challenge. My question is how important is the success of the team to the level of investment in the infrastructure? Had we still been in the Premier League or even the Championship would the interest be higher? I would think that yes would be the answer to that question.
The challenge therefore is to use every "penny" put into the team as well as possible. At the moment no one can really say, despite all the positive spin, that what we have seen to date has made us better (as a football team).
As fans we will be excited/encouraged by stadium developments and wider infrastructure plans but if the team doesn't function it pales in comparison. We need to know that the success of the team is significant in driving the success of the investment. If so then we, the fans, can challenge what we see on the pitch as not only being less than encouraging to support but also holding the investment potential of the club back. Success on the pitch and development of it are dependent on each other.
Mr Nagle perhaps needs to be clearer about how he sees this balance. He also needs to be a little more transparent about where the priority of his investment is.
The football target, as clearly stated by him recently, is to win a football Championship (I've assumed he means the Championship here). This team is a long, long way from hoping to achieve that. To do so it will need, significantly, more investment in recruitment and the cost of player retention (wages). That's a reality, but noting that you need good focused recruitment too ie it is easy to waste good money on inadequate players.
If however we have to rely on developing our infrastructure to invest in the team then that is likely to mean success on the pitch will be a longer term aim. That's not being negative it is just realistic.
I think it is fair question to pose.
Many fans see we have a, and I don't know the size of Mr Nagle's wealth, a billionaire and expect investment to make us the next Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth (perhaps we need to change the name of the club lol). I think it's fair to say that isn't the plan here. And that's fair enough but it is equally fair enough to reasonably ask what to expect from the football club.
There's a balance to be struck somewhere and I don't think Mr Nagle has managed it yet. Results like Friday obviously don't help anything because although they might raise questions about the investment in the team they also raise questions about execution and competence. Those type of questions will also extend to the competence of the organisation to deliver the overall development.
I apologise for another long post but as things move forward I think it is important to ask reasonable questions and reasonably challenge the club. I would hope that they are read, welcomed and answered at some point.
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