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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 28, 2023 17:25:09 GMT 1
Of course it was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2023 17:33:26 GMT 1
This shambles is going make an interesting Netflix series: “How to buy a football club in 10 days…and then shaft it in 10 months” Starring Kevin Klueless Nagel. Yep! He may as well hire Emma Hayes now and let's make some money through a Netflix series. |
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Post by Jack on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:13 GMT 1
... and ANOTHER poll. No wonder people don't want to sign up to YouGov. I think Carlos survived 3 polls before fans started to warm to him. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Oct 28, 2023 18:01:01 GMT 1
... and ANOTHER poll. No wonder people don't want to sign up to YouGov. I think Carlos survived 3 polls before fans started to warm to him. I remember those polls. Dearie me! Two "Carlos Out" polls going at the same time. |
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Post by Jack on Oct 28, 2023 18:02:51 GMT 1
I think Carlos survived 3 polls before fans started to warm to him. I remember those polls. Dearie me! Two "Carlos Out" polls going at the same time. Yep, and I've just resurrected one of them 🙈 |
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Post by King Neil on Oct 28, 2023 18:12:51 GMT 1
I remember those polls. Dearie me! Two "Carlos Out" polls going at the same time. Yep, and I've just resurrected one of them 🙈 No posts of mine on there...look |
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 28, 2023 18:16:56 GMT 1
There’s no point replacing DM, we are short of championship quality, he needs backing in the next window imo. Warnock was getting us to overachieve spectacularly.
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 28, 2023 18:22:41 GMT 1
Yes it does. He is a fucking idiot.
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Post by cuz on Oct 28, 2023 21:20:09 GMT 1
Where's the tweeting bastard tonight?
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Post by waggers on Oct 28, 2023 21:35:25 GMT 1
There’s no point replacing DM, we are short of championship quality, he needs backing in the next window imo. Warnock was getting us to overachieve spectacularly. I think we are done mate we would have to spend an absolute fortune to compensate for the reduction in managerial abilities |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 28, 2023 21:47:47 GMT 1
The eyes, look at Kev’s shifty eyes.
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Post by jjamez on Oct 28, 2023 22:00:26 GMT 1
I know the buck stops with kev and I'm not going to overly defend him here, but,
was it he who sacked warnock or was it Edwards/Cartwright?
Was it he who failed to sign good enough player or was it those employed to do so?
Was it he who appointed Moore or was it Edwards/Cartwright?
The way I see it is the only things nagel is guilty of is falling for some spiel from Edwards and Cartwright and being naive enough to thing this could have been a straightforward process.
The blame for me lands at the feet of Edwards and Cartwright. For me it is more than likely they got rid of Warnock so that they had an easier ride with a manager who wouldn't call out their deficiencies and ineffectiveness. Plus Cartwright went on about attacking football from Moore etc, where has he got that from? That's not naivety, it's incompetence and possible a man who wanted a yes man working for him
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Post by boooothy on Oct 28, 2023 22:02:19 GMT 1
This isn’t hindsight, it’s just common sense
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Post by Teddington Ted on Oct 28, 2023 22:08:36 GMT 1
I wonder how much Nagle even knows about what is going on? Are we sure his goons tell him the real picture or just fob him off with a quick Teams chat each week?
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Post by tvor on Oct 28, 2023 22:13:05 GMT 1
The original tweet about the big defeat was a mistake and he compounded that by doing it again midweek. He’s obviously trying to get the fans onside but he’s pretty much backed himself into a corner.
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Post by newspaperjoe on Oct 28, 2023 22:39:34 GMT 1
I know the buck stops with kev and I'm not going to overly defend him here, but, was it he who sacked warnock or was it Edwards/Cartwright? Was it he who failed to sign good enough player or was it those employed to do so? Was it he who appointed Moore or was it Edwards/Cartwright? The way I see it is the only things nagel is guilty of is falling for some spiel from Edwards and Cartwright and being naive enough to thing this could have been a straightforward process. The blame for me lands at the feet of Edwards and Cartwright. For me it is more than likely they got rid of Warnock so that they had an easier ride with a manager who wouldn't call out their deficiencies and ineffectiveness. Plus Cartwright went on about attacking football from Moore etc, where has he got that from? That's not naivety, it's incompetence and possible a man who wanted a yes man working for him All true but who appointed them? And you're not telling me warnock's sacking was not a reaction to him calling out Nagle's ridiculous online behaviour? This was all down to Nagle's ego and nobody will convince me otherwise |
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Post by H7 on Oct 28, 2023 23:10:01 GMT 1
Seems to me KN has not realised in the slightest what he's got himself in to here. He is very comfortable in the semi pro American League where he is seen as a god and thought let's branch out in England. The reality of how cut throat the English game is the level you need to be at even in the second tier has hit him like a freight train and I am not convinced in the slightest he has the appetite or desire to fund the club to the level it needs to be competitive at this level.
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Post by King Neil on Oct 28, 2023 23:21:54 GMT 1
I know the buck stops with kev and I'm not going to overly defend him here, but, was it he who sacked warnock or was it Edwards/Cartwright? Was it he who failed to sign good enough player or was it those employed to do so? Was it he who appointed Moore or was it Edwards/Cartwright? The way I see it is the only things nagel is guilty of is falling for some spiel from Edwards and Cartwright and being naive enough to thing this could have been a straightforward process. The blame for me lands at the feet of Edwards and Cartwright. For me it is more than likely they got rid of Warnock so that they had an easier ride with a manager who wouldn't call out their deficiencies and ineffectiveness. Plus Cartwright went on about attacking football from Moore etc, where has he got that from? That's not naivety, it's incompetence and possible a man who wanted a yes man working for him All true but who appointed them? And you're not telling me warnock's sacking was not a reaction to him calling out Nagle's ridiculous online behaviour? This was all down to Nagle's ego and nobody will convince me otherwise I won't be convinced otherwise either |
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Post by jim59 on Oct 29, 2023 0:35:35 GMT 1
Does the word inept mean anything to you?
The people you have appointed to run this club
surely qualify.
Your appointments from top to bottom stink.
Clueless totally .
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Post by wigster on Oct 29, 2023 1:24:58 GMT 1
I know the buck stops with kev and I'm not going to overly defend him here, but, was it he who sacked warnock or was it Edwards/Cartwright? Was it he who failed to sign good enough player or was it those employed to do so? Was it he who appointed Moore or was it Edwards/Cartwright? The way I see it is the only things nagel is guilty of is falling for some spiel from Edwards and Cartwright and being naive enough to thing this could have been a straightforward process. The blame for me lands at the feet of Edwards and Cartwright. For me it is more than likely they got rid of Warnock so that they had an easier ride with a manager who wouldn't call out their deficiencies and ineffectiveness. Plus Cartwright went on about attacking football from Moore etc, where has he got that from? That's not naivety, it's incompetence and possible a man who wanted a yes man working for him Excellent post. Kevin Nagel admits he doesn't know a lot about English football generally and Championship footbll in particular. Accordingly he delegates and appoints Edwards and Cartright - Kevin has said he's not a hands on man so quite understandably pays people who, supposedly, know what they are doing. Unfortunately they don't seem to. Jake Edwards seems very slick - listen to his public utterances, and Cartright unfortunately seems to be the man we thought he was, from his first interview and from what the Stoke forum said. They bring in numerous other staff - from a set play defensive coach (!!!!) to goodness knows who else and, all in all, our performances and results plummet. Darren Moore is included in these arrivals. I accept that as the owner Kevin Nagel is ultimately responsible, but I do actually have a lot of sympathy for him. He must be wondering what the hell is happening. |
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Post by drewden on Oct 29, 2023 1:29:12 GMT 1
It will get to the point where supporters will be so pissed off, and attendances will plummet.
The downhill spiral all started with the D.H and P.H. deal.
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Post by westislandterrier on Oct 29, 2023 1:31:15 GMT 1
Any tweets from Mr Nagel yet today regarding the hammering we got...
I don’t do or know how to read this twat - twitter - shitter - kinda stuff at all or even know how to get into it to read it -
But he’s not usually backward at coming forward after a defeat like this for sure...
Anybody know if he’s said anything from across the pond today !
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 29, 2023 1:53:11 GMT 1
Any tweets from Mr Nagel yet today regarding the hammering we got... I don’t do or know how to read this twat - twitter - shitter - kinda stuff at all or even know how to get into it to read it - But he’s not usually backward at coming forward after a defeat like this for sure... Anybody know if he’s said anything from across the pond today ! Not yet and there's been none from Mr Nagle either  |
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Post by bejesus on Oct 29, 2023 4:03:39 GMT 1
It could end up being the biggest mistake this club has made, arguably, ever. To have Neil here was a huge privilege and a blessing, we couldn't have been luckier, and to throw him away rather than doing our utmost to keep him for as long as humanly possible was an act of indescribable stupidity. He is, without the need for any qualification whatsoever, one of the best managers in the history of the game. Full stop. So good he even had us believing that this dreadful squad might finish in mid-table or better, despite the lack of investment. 19 managerial tenures in his career and maybe only 4 that weren't a success. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but do people realise just how few managers achieve success with more than one club? Only 3 have ever won the top division in England with different teams, and only 2 for the FA Cup. Warnock has been promoted with 7 clubs and rescued at least 4 or 5 others from near-certain relegations, across the entire length and breadth of the country, without spending loads or working with players much better than what he had here, non-stop churning shit into gold for 40-odd years. He is damn near irreplacable and it's beyond demoralising to lose him like we did, not to mention the fact that these same numpties actually thought that Darren Moore was up to the task.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Oct 29, 2023 4:19:59 GMT 1
... and ANOTHER poll. No wonder people don't want to sign up to YouGov. fixed that for you |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 29, 2023 5:28:31 GMT 1
It will get to the point where supporters will be so pissed off, and attendances will plummet. The downhill spiral all started with the D.H and P.H. deal. The downhill spiral started when we got promotion to the greedy league and started throwing away money in a very un-Yorkshire way. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 29, 2023 7:39:50 GMT 1
The buck firmly stops with Nagle.
For all the reasons said above.
We will see how he manages this situation. He isn’t daft and knows the fans are pissed off.
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 29, 2023 8:10:19 GMT 1
Looks to me like HTAFC was a spur of the moment buy for Nagle - the kind of thing you pick up at the check-out in the supermarket. He doesn’t know the product so he’s relied on people who’ve told him they do. And they’ve dropped him in the shit.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 29, 2023 8:46:32 GMT 1
Haven't us fans suffered enough from public embarrassment over the last few years?
Premier league club employing a nobody in a public showing of accepting relegation in January!
Wasted all the budget on players who didn't even play for us and left for next to nothing.
Taken over by a man with no money part 1.
Paddy Power stunt.
Relegation battle in first season back in champ.
7-0 on TV at Norwich.
Screwed over by VAR in the play off final
Sell our best 2 players in a combined deal for not much to the beneficiaries of that play off final.
Lose manager to the same beneficiaries.
Employing not 1 but 2 frauds as manager and in yet ANOTHER relegation battle.
2nd one of those frauds is a public embarrassment.
Old owner has to step in before we go bust because he sold to the man who was skint in the first place.
Taken over by 'American Billionaire' who then facilitates our worst transfer window in years.
Sacks the only good thing about the club in Warnock.
Employs fraud number 3.
Battered without a whimper at our biggest rivals.
Warnock about to take over and probably save one of our relegation rivals.
Ive definitely missed some other stuff.
When will this shitshow end?
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Oct 29, 2023 9:01:27 GMT 1
Looks to me like HTAFC was a spur of the moment buy for Nagle - the kind of thing you pick up at the check-out in the supermarket. He doesn’t know the product so he’s relied on people who’ve told him they do. And they’ve dropped him in the shit. Not having that, I mean, you hardly have to look too hard to discover what a great manager we had in Warnock, not to mention the fact that fans were telling him we wanted him here. ‘I hear you’ is what he said, didn’t he? All was rosy, even without spending the money he was onto a winner with the decision to keep Neil and Ronnie and he was told as much by the fan reaction. The only thing Nagle was hounded for was the lack of signings, particularly a striker, but most were even happy to accept that we didn’t have the funds and hopefully this was to come further into his time here. All seemed to go tits up following that stupid tweet and then egos came into play. Surely even an inexperienced American got the gist that Warnock was a miracle worker following last season, so to be sold the idea that someone else can come in and do a similar job to Warnock with this squad is just stupid. Really stupid. The whole lot of them are responsible and they’ve turned a relatively happy bunch of supporters against them with their ridiculous decision making. |
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