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Post by htafcokay on Oct 29, 2023 23:17:19 GMT 1
They have the ATT panel but it's generally full of arselickers who are in it for their own status. There's one or two exceptions, but not enough. At least the HTSA take the panel seriously. It’s more than just HTSA who take it seriously. I know, thats why I said "one or two exceptions". |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 29, 2023 23:21:34 GMT 1
Schofield is the exception, of course. He was never given a chance. People were screaming for him to be sacked at half-time of his first match. Because he was visibly the cheap option. A very decent lower league player for us, to be fair, but he's a nobody, a never has been and never will be, in managerial terms. Another Hoyle fuck up. Imagine giving him the reigns at Championship level, for fuck's sake. No other club would have been considered it, like Fotheringham getting the job here. Madness. He was the assistant manager. It was no different to us appointing Steve Smith, or Ian Ross or Eddie Boot. People were only going berserk because he'd replaced the Messiah. He wasn't the right choice it transpired, but to write a manager off before he'd taken charge of a game was pathetic. He was sacked at the correct time though. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 29, 2023 23:27:15 GMT 1
I keep asking the same question. Why is Nagle doing this ? He is billionaire. He is clearly knows what he is doing ? Forget all the flannel he might as well be Boris or Rishi ? Sell 24 sign 4. Sack the championship’s most successful manager. Why ? I’ve asked the same question. But to be fair to Kev, he’s the owner, the money man. He can’t make decisions on players and a manager when he’s got no experience of the British game. So you’d have to assume Cartwright is the one making the footballing decisions, which are the ones coming in for the real criticism. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 29, 2023 23:51:44 GMT 1
Take note. A lot of Town fans are very intelligent, understand English football and deeply love their football club. Supporters are currently feeling very down and demoralised, we have been browbeaten by years of perceived gross mismanagement and lack of ambition by the club. Bad decision after bad decision. The club could do a lot worse than tap into that knowledge and set up an advisory supporters panel. Well said. At the very least perhaps invite some more concerned voices to " tea". Mr Nagle has inherited a far more difficult situation than he may have realised but he needs to recognise that. Listening to constructive criticism and getting support of fans wouldn't be the worst thing he could do. We don't need anger and abuse but he does need to understand our perspective and see if we can be part of the solution. The club works better when we are aligned. In the space of 6 weeks we are as divided as we have been for a long time. I agree with your post apart from the statement that "In the space of 6 weeks we are as divided as we have been for a long time". It seems to me that we are more united in being shocked, dismayed or upset in where the club is currently at. Even the posters who have been supporters of the owner of town whomever they may be have been, are at the very least quite or just mildly critical of the situation. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 29, 2023 23:58:09 GMT 1
Well said. At the very least perhaps invite some more concerned voices to " tea". Mr Nagle has inherited a far more difficult situation than he may have realised but he needs to recognise that. Listening to constructive criticism and getting support of fans wouldn't be the worst thing he could do. We don't need anger and abuse but he does need to understand our perspective and see if we can be part of the solution. The club works better when we are aligned. In the space of 6 weeks we are as divided as we have been for a long time. I agree with your post apart from the statement that "In the space of 6 weeks we are as divided as we have been for a long time". It seems to me that we are more united in being shocked, dismayed or upset in where the club is currently at. Even the posters who have been supporters of the owner of town whomever they may be have been, are at the very least quite or just mildly critical of the situation. I think he means the fans are as divided from those at the club as they have been for a long time. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Oct 29, 2023 23:58:10 GMT 1
The buck stops with Cartwright and jake Edwards. No way does Nagle sack either of them at such short notice Our only hope is Moore can pick up some results |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 0:00:32 GMT 1
One of the most annoying statements I hear is "the club are well aware of the requirement for additions to the squad". I'm not sure they were, look at what we did in the window! They were arrogant to believe anyone can do what NW did with the sorry state of our squad. I don't no if it's KN being naive in his team he has employed at town. I give him benefit of doubt it is. But I would hope he is talking to them employees and asking questions of what is going on and why. KN didn't appoint DM, he trusted his team. Maybe the real arrogance is the team he employed. The club were well aware of the need for additions in the summer. Unfortunately we had players who declined the opportunity to join us. Players that the then manager wanted, let’s just say there may well have been a slight conflict of interests that made the club feel very uneasy. If the people in charge could not take charge of the situation and get the players that we could all see we needed then we have the wrong people in charge of recruitment. We needed a striker and it is not difficult to imagine that there was some disagreement on the type and the name we should sign, but at the end of the window we found ourselves with one old injury prone striker questions needed asking as to why they failed to their job in the most spectacular fashion anyone could imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 11:13:49 GMT 1
I haven't commented since the demolition against cardiff and posted before the leeds game that I'm avoiding the game as it will be a hammering; Im glad I chose the cinema instead.
The ironic thing is that 99% of town fans would accept another shocking transfer window and lack of investment if we had kept NW; statistically the best manager ever at this level.
Not a single person asked for 3-5m to be spent this summer to push on; I think we all would've taken NW and a 16th place finish.
Now because of his EGO; Nagle finds himself in a spot where he and his hires admit an expensive mistake and sack Moore - or invest heavily in Janaury to save this sinking ship.
I think they'll do neither and we will sleepwalk into relegation yet again.
For a club that told their fans it's a season of stabilization their actions have caused the exact opposite.
The reason Moore won't go is because Cartwrights head should role with them as he was his pick.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 30, 2023 11:38:28 GMT 1
I haven't commented since the demolition against cardiff and posted before the leeds game that I'm avoiding the game as it will be a hammering; Im glad I chose the cinema instead. The ironic thing is that 99% of town fans would accept another shocking transfer window and lack of investment if we had kept NW; statistically the best manager ever at this level. Not a single person asked for 3-5m to be spent this summer to push on; I think we all would've taken NW and a 16th place finish. Now because of his EGO; Nagle finds himself in a spot where he and his hires admit an expensive mistake and sack Moore - or invest heavily in Janaury to save this sinking ship. I think they'll do neither and we will sleepwalk into relegation yet again. For a club that told their fans it's a season of stabilization their actions have caused the exact opposite. The reason Moore won't go is because Cartwrights head should role with them as he was his pick. I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. |
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Post by ram on Oct 30, 2023 13:31:29 GMT 1
Kevin Nagle has no chance of running the club from California,He has trusted 2 Charlatans to do it for him.He has a big decision to make regarding the future of the club,before it is too late.
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 13:42:04 GMT 1
Lots of negativity on here about Kevin.
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 13:43:49 GMT 1
I think everyone is hurting right now, that includes the owners, management, players and fans and everyone in between. Creating that dialogue is a great idea because ultimately all we want is for this club to succeed. Look what happened the last time every single one of us, from you and me and everyone on here through to the owner, were singing from the same hymnsheet. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 13:54:46 GMT 1
Is there a chance of this happening anytime soon? Any idea if Kev is cottoning on to this? You'll have to ask Justaguy. Turkeys don't usually vote for xmas though So Justaguy could well have egg on his shirt 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by 28901 on Oct 30, 2023 13:55:04 GMT 1
I think everyone is hurting right now, that includes the owners, management, players and fans and everyone in between. Creating that dialogue is a great idea because ultimately all we want is for this club to succeed. Look what happened the last time every single one of us, from you and me and everyone on here through to the owner, were singing from the same hymnsheet. What happened? |
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Post by Ross83 on Oct 30, 2023 13:57:41 GMT 1
I haven't commented since the demolition against cardiff and posted before the leeds game that I'm avoiding the game as it will be a hammering; Im glad I chose the cinema instead. The ironic thing is that 99% of town fans would accept another shocking transfer window and lack of investment if we had kept NW; statistically the best manager ever at this level. Not a single person asked for 3-5m to be spent this summer to push on; I think we all would've taken NW and a 16th place finish. Now because of his EGO; Nagle finds himself in a spot where he and his hires admit an expensive mistake and sack Moore - or invest heavily in Janaury to save this sinking ship. I think they'll do neither and we will sleepwalk into relegation yet again. For a club that told their fans it's a season of stabilization their actions have caused the exact opposite. The reason Moore won't go is because Cartwrights head should role with them as he was his pick. I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. I have no idea what led him to think the squad which was nearly relegated would be able to compete for a top 10 finish, especially when you factor in all the ones who left, adding additions like Edwards and using L2 standard players like Harratt, Headley and Hudlin. Oh and then we sacked Warnock. Absolute shambles! |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 13:59:19 GMT 1
Look what happened the last time every single one of us, from you and me and everyone on here through to the owner, were singing from the same hymnsheet. What happened? 2016-17 and 2017-18 🤔. Fairly sure something good happened. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 14:01:42 GMT 1
I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. I have no idea what led him to think the squad which was nearly relegated would be able to compete for a top 10 finish, especially when you factor in all the ones who left, adding additions like Edwards and using L2 standard players like Harratt, Headley and Hudlin. Oh and then we sacked Warnock. Absolute shambles! Amazing how he's gone from people begging for him to start to him being categorised as a League Two player in a matter of weeks. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Oct 30, 2023 14:05:21 GMT 1
The buck stops with Cartwright and jake Edwards. No way does Nagle sack either of them at such short notice Our only hope is Moore can pick up some results I mean, it sounds like the obvious choice would be to replace Cartwright if, as Maynard suggests, he is root cause of the deterioration on the footballing side. That's recruitment of playing and coaching staff. Kev said when he joined that he wasn't afraid of making big decisions. Presumably his personal fortune has been accumulated because of a mix of bold and cold decisions. It might appear both if he was, so early on, to relieve Cartwright of his duties, but it appears that he has failed his first two objectives (recruit well in the summer, replace Warnock with the right person at an appropriate time). Something must change though, otherwise we'll be sleepwalking again... |
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Post by stinkypete on Oct 30, 2023 14:06:57 GMT 1
I haven't commented since the demolition against cardiff and posted before the leeds game that I'm avoiding the game as it will be a hammering; Im glad I chose the cinema instead. The ironic thing is that 99% of town fans would accept another shocking transfer window and lack of investment if we had kept NW; statistically the best manager ever at this level. Not a single person asked for 3-5m to be spent this summer to push on; I think we all would've taken NW and a 16th place finish. Now because of his EGO; Nagle finds himself in a spot where he and his hires admit an expensive mistake and sack Moore - or invest heavily in Janaury to save this sinking ship. I think they'll do neither and we will sleepwalk into relegation yet again. For a club that told their fans it's a season of stabilization their actions have caused the exact opposite. The reason Moore won't go is because Cartwrights head should role with them as he was his pick. I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. Exactly this, our bench on Saturday was an absolute embarrassment!! Not even league one standard! |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 30, 2023 14:08:12 GMT 1
I wonder if Justasmithers could give some insight into how KN is feeling right now? |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 30, 2023 14:15:54 GMT 1
No way does Nagle sack either of them at such short notice Our only hope is Moore can pick up some results I mean, it sounds like the obvious choice would be to replace Cartwright if, as Maynard suggests, he is root cause of the deterioration on the footballing side. That's recruitment of playing and coaching staff. Kev said when he joined that he wasn't afraid of making big decisions. Presumably his personal fortune has been accumulated because of a mix of bold and cold decisions. It might appear both if he was, so early on, to relieve Cartwright of his duties, but it appears that he has failed his first two objectives (recruit well in the summer, replace Warnock with the right person at an appropriate time). Something must change though, otherwise we'll be sleepwalking again... What did Warnock say about him, “green behind the ears”? Which sounded to me like Warnock and staff all got paid more than we had to to get rid and that he probably didn’t realise the absolute miracle he was pulling off. oooh err |
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Post by Ladaphosen on Oct 30, 2023 14:20:02 GMT 1
Nagle - a rocky start to his tenure. Lots of nice soundbites about sustainability, fan experience and what not but little in terms of substance, especially when it comes to what means the most to us fans - results on the pitch. He has come across very well intentioned if not naïve at times. Early days but it is apparent we are in need of sweeping revolution, time to put your money where your mouth is Kev.
Cartwright- Juries out, the summer window looks more of a disaster with every injury, suspension and poor result. The pressure is on to deliver quality in Jan.
Moore - Nearly out of time. Another bad result and I think he is toast. Like lot of people on here I was sceptical but prepared to give him a chance. He has been diabolical, hopefully Edwards and Cartwright can swallow their pride on this one should bad results continue.
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Post by Ross83 on Oct 30, 2023 14:22:32 GMT 1
I have no idea what led him to think the squad which was nearly relegated would be able to compete for a top 10 finish, especially when you factor in all the ones who left, adding additions like Edwards and using L2 standard players like Harratt, Headley and Hudlin. Oh and then we sacked Warnock. Absolute shambles! Amazing how he's gone from people begging for him to start to him being categorised as a League Two player in a matter of weeks. I thought he should have been given a chance, same with Harratt, which he has and I think it's clear he's way off the required standard. Harratt would be a good option to have from the bench but I see nothing to suggest Hudlin is even good enough to be a squad player and I think the fact he is highlights how lightweight we are. |
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Post by Jimuano on Oct 30, 2023 14:24:43 GMT 1
What if Warnock was actually the one who shafted us, and he just had to go?
It maybe offers an alternative and more sympathetic viewpoint of Nagle and his new appointed staff.
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 30, 2023 14:26:52 GMT 1
I wonder if Justasmithers could give some insight into how KN is feeling right now? I think the Twitter silence, speaks volumes. |
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Post by capitalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 14:26:57 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 30, 2023 14:27:28 GMT 1
I could have put this on any number of threads, but this is what it’s like being a Town fan for me… You need to have seen the film I suppose, but the synopsis should ring a few bells… 😉 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakenings |
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Post by royrace on Oct 30, 2023 14:30:18 GMT 1
I wonder if Justasmithers could give some insight into how KN is feeling right now? I think the Twitter silence, speaks volumes. Yes I'm sure he's gutted. That fateful tweet post Norwich came straight from the heart and things are now obviously much much worse. I suspect some pennies are beginning to drop. Who knows what's next but I'm sure he's far from happy and presumably not afraid to make big calls. |
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Post by desertstorm on Oct 30, 2023 14:30:36 GMT 1
Is there a chance of this happening anytime soon? Any idea if Kev is cottoning on to this? You'll have to ask Justaguy. Turkeys don't usually vote for xmas though ⏳⏳⏳ |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 30, 2023 14:33:18 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. I still care, but a lot less than I used to. I can identify with your post a lot though. It's a business at the end of the day, and not a particularly well run one. |
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