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Post by htfcterry on Oct 30, 2023 14:42:08 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. The amount of people who actually feel like this is more concerning than any manager, player or back room staff member. To feel total apathy at everything that goes on is sad for the club. I also feel like the play off final v Forest was a clear example that lots of people have lost interest. Even when things are good results wise, we didn’t sell out (what is supposed to be) one of the biggest games in modern history. I don’t think KN really understands how difficult it will be to get all the fans back onside and get the togetherness feeling, it could take bloody years. Covid might have had a big part to play in all of this with people just getting used to watching from home or finding other things to do etc, but the club certainly haven’t helped themselves in the meantime. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Oct 30, 2023 14:46:30 GMT 1
VAR is killing football too. And oil money and other unscrupulous investors. And the corruption they bring.
Just more factors that lead to apathy. Hard to care when the whole thing is rigged.
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Post by dalesterrier on Oct 30, 2023 14:57:19 GMT 1
You'll have to ask Justaguy. Turkeys don't usually vote for xmas though ⏳⏳⏳ Does this mean time is running out? |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Oct 30, 2023 15:05:41 GMT 1
Does this mean time is running out? Either that or the fitness department have had their new timing instruments delivered for measuring Tom Edwards sprint times. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 30, 2023 15:21:17 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. The amount of people who actually feel like this is more concerning than any manager, player or back room staff member. To feel total apathy at everything that goes on is sad for the club. I also feel like the play off final v Forest was a clear example that lots of people have lost interest. Even when things are good results wise, we didn’t sell out (what is supposed to be) one of the biggest games in modern history. I don’t think KN really understands how difficult it will be to get all the fans back onside and get the togetherness feeling, it could take bloody years. Covid might have had a big part to play in all of this with people just getting used to watching from home or finding other things to do etc, but the club certainly haven’t helped themselves in the meantime. I think a big part of that season feeling 'off', though, was that it never felt we'd get over the line, and that everything felt stacked against us - to the point of conspiracy in some people's minds. It also felt like the only thing getting us through that year was the manager, rather than a well-structured plan from the top. I don't know, nothing about it felt right or sustainable, and I suppose that turned out to be the truth and then some. I think with a proper, cohesive attempt at rebuilding the club, with a likeable manager in charge, things would feel a lot different were we to get to Wembley again. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 16:00:19 GMT 1
I haven't commented since the demolition against cardiff and posted before the leeds game that I'm avoiding the game as it will be a hammering; Im glad I chose the cinema instead. The ironic thing is that 99% of town fans would accept another shocking transfer window and lack of investment if we had kept NW; statistically the best manager ever at this level. Not a single person asked for 3-5m to be spent this summer to push on; I think we all would've taken NW and a 16th place finish. Now because of his EGO; Nagle finds himself in a spot where he and his hires admit an expensive mistake and sack Moore - or invest heavily in Janaury to save this sinking ship. I think they'll do neither and we will sleepwalk into relegation yet again. For a club that told their fans it's a season of stabilization their actions have caused the exact opposite. The reason Moore won't go is because Cartwrights head should role with them as he was his pick. I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. I don't think anyone is. Most have seen the steady sale of any players we could get a few bob for and replace them with project players and have been raising this since we were relegated. To make things worse the new owners team carried on the clearing out and got rid of a lot and brought in very little. To make things worse we have someone who could get a tune from the players then the fools replaced him with someone who is as lost as any manager we have had in recent years. And your response is to give the idiots who made the situation worse more time? Most of us can only see them making things worse. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 30, 2023 16:04:56 GMT 1
I feel like everyone is overlooking the one key factor in this. Our players are simply not good enough. Yes Warnock got a tune out of them but they each had to play far beyond their own capability to achieve what they did. Expecting that miracle to happen 2 years in a row was a step too far. It doesn't matter who our manager, owner, director of football or CEO is. If we do not improve the quality of our starting 11 we are going down. I can understand a new regime taking time to settle and therefore the subsequent poor summer transfer window. They absolutely have to get it right in January though. I don't think anyone is. Most have seen the steady sale of any players we could get a few bob for and replace them with project players and have been raising this since we were relegated. To make things worse the new owners team carried on the clearing out and got rid of a lot and brought in very little. To make things worse we have someone who could get a tune from the players then the fools replaced him with someone who is as lost as any manager we have had in recent years. And your response is to give the idiots who made the situation worse more time? Most of us can only see them making things worse. I meant give the owners/directors more time. I was on board with Moores appointment but I have to say what I have seen fills me with dread. We can only hope if he isn't to be sacked that he will be given better resources. |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Oct 30, 2023 16:06:31 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. The amount of people who actually feel like this is more concerning than any manager, player or back room staff member. To feel total apathy at everything that goes on is sad for the club. I also feel like the play off final v Forest was a clear example that lots of people have lost interest. Even when things are good results wise, we didn’t sell out (what is supposed to be) one of the biggest games in modern history. I don’t think KN really understands how difficult it will be to get all the fans back onside and get the togetherness feeling, it could take bloody years. Covid might have had a big part to play in all of this with people just getting used to watching from home or finding other things to do etc, but the club certainly haven’t helped themselves in the meantime. We sold, what, 33,000 tickets?? Maybe 3k of those went to Forest fans. Still a big enough following for a club which had been there and done it five years before (and, more pertinently, knew the downsides of winning the "prize"). We were in a not dissimilar place to this only nine months ago. Gates dwindling, unrest mounting. The right change was made then and the good vibes returned in a matter of weeks. That seems a long way off right now, but it needn't take months and months, never mind years. EDIT: Forgot to add, I have no idea about how we go about getting there, but a few grubby one-nils to ease the relegation worries would certainly help! |
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Post by Melc on Oct 30, 2023 17:40:47 GMT 1
Does this mean time is running out? Either that or the fitness department have had their new timing instruments delivered for measuring Tom Edwards sprint times. A calendar would be more appropriate. |
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Oct 30, 2023 17:52:22 GMT 1
The abuse on Twitter is completely out of order but unfortunately that's Twitter for you. It's a miniscule proportion of the fan base and the worst of the abuse will be from kids. I hope he realises this, I'm sure he does! My feeling is that Kevin hasn't been advised very well on footballing matters. The decision making to date looks naive at best. I'm also concerned that he perhaps wasn't made aware of the levels of investment needed to keep a championship club in the league. I use the word investment loosely because football clubs at this level are basically a money pit. Relegation would be a disaster, as fans we can see very clearly that there is a big risk of this. We knew this the day Warnock left, we knew the risk was a lot greater when DM was announced. This is simple fact, why didn't the footballing people paid to make these decisions know the same?? At the moment it looks like from a football perspective the leadership team have no idea what they're doing. He brought twitter into the game. Why ? For goodness sake. It's just a communication platform. It doesn't give you carte blanche to start being a confrontational dickhead. Especially at your age. |
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Post by waggers on Oct 30, 2023 18:03:18 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. Same as myself this recent managerial change and what it has resulted in has caused me to lose all enthusiasm. If 99% of fans know how stupid these decisions are what hope is there. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 30, 2023 18:20:37 GMT 1
He has conned Hoyle and Hoyle has lost a load of money as a result (Hoyle acting in the best interests of the Club AND SUPPORTERS).
Shifty eyes is a gold plated fucking chancer.
He was hoping to flip this club quick style for a big profit. He still is.
He has no interest whatsoever,
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Post by rockwall on Oct 30, 2023 18:39:43 GMT 1
He has conned Hoyle and Hoyle has lost a load of money as a result (Hoyle acting in the best interests of the Club AND SUPPORTERS). Shifty eyes is a gold plated fucking chancer. He was hoping to flip this club quick style for a big profit. He still is. He has no interest whatsoever, Absolutely trash. Regarding Hoyle losing a lot of money, part of thay was down to his own dreadful decisions. Explain why someone would buy Huddersfield Town? A club with debt and financial crisis, looking likely to go into administration. A club that doesn't own their stadium. A club who's ex chairman owns the training ground land. A squad with no valuable assets. Complete opposite of a quick profit. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 30, 2023 18:41:11 GMT 1
He has conned Hoyle and Hoyle has lost a load of money as a result (Hoyle acting in the best interests of the Club AND SUPPORTERS). Shifty eyes is a gold plated fucking chancer. He was hoping to flip this club quick style for a big profit. He still is. He has no interest whatsoever, Absolutely trash. Regarding Hoyle losing a lot of money, part of thay was down to his own dreadful decisions. Explain why someone would buy Huddersfield Town? A club with debt and financial crisis, looking likely to go into administration. A club that doesn't own their stadium. A club who's ex chairman owns the training ground land. A squad with no valuable assets. Complete opposite of a quick profit. Time will tell. |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 30, 2023 18:47:28 GMT 1
He has conned Hoyle and Hoyle has lost a load of money as a result (Hoyle acting in the best interests of the Club AND SUPPORTERS). Shifty eyes is a gold plated fucking chancer. He was hoping to flip this club quick style for a big profit. He still is. He has no interest whatsoever, Absolutely trash. Regarding Hoyle losing a lot of money, part of thay was down to his own dreadful decisions. Explain why someone would buy Huddersfield Town? A club with debt and financial crisis, looking likely to go into administration. A club that doesn't own their stadium. A club who's ex chairman owns the training ground land. A squad with no valuable assets. Complete opposite of a quick profit. That's the most important question. Why has he bought it? |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 30, 2023 19:06:34 GMT 1
Absolutely trash. Regarding Hoyle losing a lot of money, part of thay was down to his own dreadful decisions. Explain why someone would buy Huddersfield Town? A club with debt and financial crisis, looking likely to go into administration. A club that doesn't own their stadium. A club who's ex chairman owns the training ground land. A squad with no valuable assets. Complete opposite of a quick profit. That's the most important question. Why has he bought it? At the time of buying he wanted an English club and got approached by Baldwin. Like any owner, profit is the end game. In todays football, how often that happens I don't know. I agree with Morley that he is wanting a profit. But a quick one? Impossible. Could be that his 3 year plan is to chuck money at it in the next 2 years, get to the PL and sell us at our peak? Only KN knows. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Oct 30, 2023 19:20:08 GMT 1
He has conned Hoyle and Hoyle has lost a load of money as a result (Hoyle acting in the best interests of the Club AND SUPPORTERS). Shifty eyes is a gold plated fucking chancer. He was hoping to flip this club quick style for a big profit. He still is. He has no interest whatsoever, Garbage. Hoyle lost his own money and with it went the chance of a Premier League legacy |
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Post by sabailand on Oct 30, 2023 19:24:02 GMT 1
He bought the club when nobody else seemed interested, with that came the end of worry and uncertainty and gave us some stability, hes dropped a huge clanger regarding Warnock but if he dosnt realise what hes done now he never will, biggest worry is the advice hes getting and so far its been shite.
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Post by capitalterrier on Nov 1, 2023 10:31:45 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. It's also I think that I've seen the best we'll ever be. I still get goosebumps thinking about 2016-18 - truly amazing times. VAR has further killed football for me. The farce at Wembley just cemented that feeling. Bottom line though is the football has been largely dire, crowds apathetic, thethreat of administration, signings uninspiring with each transfer window more depressing than the last, clueless managers, and when we finally get a decent one that brought some optimism and good feeling back, we get rid of him. It's just farcical. I used to go regularly to away games, and would constantly be refreshing twitter for updates throughout games I wasn't at, but now it's the occasional check of the score and shrug at seeing us having gone behind/lost. I don't think it necessarily will take years to fix the current situation for most fans. A decent run of results soon sees spirits pick up, as we saw with warnock last season. But then again the current manager and squad is a long way off achieving anything near to consistently good performances/results. |
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Post by Sio on Nov 1, 2023 10:50:28 GMT 1
I just don't care very much anymore. Change in personal circumstances, but also largely down to how farcical the running of the club has been for 5 years. It's also I think that I've seen the best we'll ever be. I still get goosebumps thinking about 2016-18 - truly amazing times. VAR has further killed football for me. The farce at Wembley just cemented that feeling. Bottom line though is the football has been largely dire, crowds apathetic, thethreat of administration, signings uninspiring with each transfer window more depressing than the last, clueless managers, and when we finally get a decent one that brought some optimism and good feeling back, we get rid of him. It's just farcical. I used to go regularly to away games, and would constantly be refreshing twitter for updates throughout games I wasn't at, but now it's the occasional check of the score and shrug at seeing us having gone behind/lost.I don't think it necessarily will take years to fix the current situation for most fans. A decent run of results soon sees spirits pick up, as we saw with warnock last season. But then again the current manager and squad is a long way off achieving anything near to consistently good performances/results. I'm exactly like this too - but I did find it returned under Warnock last season, so it's definitely not completely lost. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Nov 1, 2023 11:01:22 GMT 1
It's also I think that I've seen the best we'll ever be. I still get goosebumps thinking about 2016-18 - truly amazing times. VAR has further killed football for me. The farce at Wembley just cemented that feeling. Bottom line though is the football has been largely dire, crowds apathetic, thethreat of administration, signings uninspiring with each transfer window more depressing than the last, clueless managers, and when we finally get a decent one that brought some optimism and good feeling back, we get rid of him. It's just farcical. I used to go regularly to away games, and would constantly be refreshing twitter for updates throughout games I wasn't at, but now it's the occasional check of the score and shrug at seeing us having gone behind/lost.I don't think it necessarily will take years to fix the current situation for most fans. A decent run of results soon sees spirits pick up, as we saw with warnock last season. But then again the current manager and squad is a long way off achieving anything near to consistently good performances/results. I'm exactly like this too - but I did find it returned under Warnock last season, so it's definitely not completely lost. I hadn’t been too bothered for years but agreed, Warnock had me right back there, really enjoying everything about the Club. Even on this forum, very few fall-outs. We were a united club on and off the pitch . Now?, we are broken. Players haven’t got a clue what to do on match-day. The Manager even less so. Fans pissed off and at each others throats People making decisions at the Club that many have no confidence in. And a relegation this season that we are not going to avoid this time to ‘look forward to’. What, only two months back?. None of the above was applicable, none of it. Can anybody believe how quickly we have regressed?. Well done Nagle, Cartwright and. Edwards for smashing to bits the good place we had got ourselves in. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Nov 1, 2023 11:04:39 GMT 1
He bought the club when nobody else seemed interested, with that came the end of worry and uncertainty and gave us some stability, hes dropped a huge clanger regarding Warnock but if he dosnt realise what hes done now he never will, biggest worry is the advice hes getting and so far its been shite. the owner has to get more involved and kick some arses. I'm not sure he has it in him. Getting rid of Warnock was a mistake. Not investing when Warnock said we needed to was down to the Gaffer as well. That was a colossal mistake. He needs to be questionning those making the decisions currently because we look like a side that's doomed. He needs to take a long hard look at himself as well. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Nov 1, 2023 11:25:13 GMT 1
He bought the club when nobody else seemed interested, with that came the end of worry and uncertainty and gave us some stability, hes dropped a huge clanger regarding Warnock but if he dosnt realise what hes done now he never will, biggest worry is the advice hes getting and so far its been shite. the owner has to get more involved and kick some arses. I'm not sure he has it in him. Getting rid of Warnock was a mistake. Not investing when Warnock said we needed to was down to the Gaffer as well. That was a colossal mistake. He needs to be questionning those making the decisions currently because we look like a side that's doomed. He needs to take a long hard look at himself as well. 1 - "kicking arse" is not always the best solution, but Big Kev won't have got where he is without doing some. 2 - For the same reasons, he will be analysing his own decisions. 3 - It's not looking good though at the moment, is it? |
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Post by ram on Nov 1, 2023 12:10:13 GMT 1
The silence is deafening.  |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 1, 2023 12:15:07 GMT 1
The silence is deafening. Out of interest, what do you want him to say? Do you expect him to make a comment every time we lose? |
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Post by mosher on Nov 1, 2023 13:10:03 GMT 1
The silence is deafening. Out of interest, what do you want him to say? Do you expect him to make a comment every time we lose?He can't win. Twatter a response he gets shit. Don't twatter a response get shit. Like you I think I'd prefer him taking a timeout on Twatter, blocking the idiots (and Dunc  ) and have a few quiet words with his subordinates. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 1, 2023 13:41:39 GMT 1
Out of interest, what do you want him to say? Do you expect him to make a comment every time we lose?He can't win. Twatter a response he gets shit. Don't twatter a response get shit. Like you I think I'd prefer him taking a timeout on Twatter, blocking the idiots (and Dunc ) and have a few quiet words with his subordinates. He's made a rod for his own back, I'm afraid. However, I'm very much of the opinion that owners shouldn't be commenting on football matters anyway. As Brian Clough once said, he should "leave the football to the professionals and start signing some fucking cheques". |
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Post by royrace on Nov 1, 2023 14:19:55 GMT 1
He can't win. Twatter a response he gets shit. Don't twatter a response get shit. Like you I think I'd prefer him taking a timeout on Twatter, blocking the idiots (and Dunc ) and have a few quiet words with his subordinates. He's made a rod for his own back, I'm afraid. However, I'm very much of the opinion that owners shouldn't be commenting on football matters anyway. As Brian Clough once said, he should "leave the football to the professionals and start signing some fucking cheques". I think that was his plan but maybe not so much the cheques bit! Looking at the situation objectively, the terrible decision making, several key ones, are all the responsibility of one man. If I were kev I wouldn’t be putting any more trust in that person. We can all make mistakes and hindsight is a wonderful thing but when you’re making several, really big obvious ones it’s time to go imo especially with the unforgiving nature of football, there’s no time for one more chance etc. If nothing is done then I’ll take that as an acceptance of relegation and confirmation that the levels of investment required can’t or won’t be met by KN. We will see in Jan, I previously said we’ll see in summer and then well see when the new coach is announced. What we’ve seen so far is a huge lack of investment and massive lack of footballing nous, I’m not really sure why any of us would expect different in Jan. |
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Post by rab030 on Nov 1, 2023 14:22:50 GMT 1
We need to be careful that we don't start sounding 'entitled'.
KN was the only horse in town to my knowledge.
We had a Chairman who needed/wanted out and although he did some great things made a mess at the end and we were left with a club with large debts, no assets and losing several million a year.
He's not been here that long and I'm sure he's made plenty of mistakes - but FFS lets give him a chance.
I've read several comments along the lines of 'big window coming up' or 'he needs to spend big or fuck off'
Add to that the unbelievable conspiracy theories (and abuse) without any substance to support whatsoever, and he might just decide it was a big mistake and he's had enough.
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 1, 2023 14:27:56 GMT 1
He brought twitter into the game. Why ? For goodness sake. It's just a communication platform. It doesn't give you carte blanche to start being a confrontational dickhead. Especially at your age. Then all he has to do is “block” or “mute”. Not sure what it has to do with you anyway. |
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