Cartwright.

[cecerececerececere]

A few things...the decisions to:

Keep Warnock
Sack Warnock so early
Appoint Moore
Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds
Keep Moore into Jan transfer window
Let Worthington go back to the Academy
Appoint Breitenreiter

Not been the best year, has it?

....and that's before we talk about his player signings.

[ColchTerrier]

He needs to go. He’s shit.

[rothwellterrier]

I bet he wishes he’d got as many things correct this season as there are threads about him on datm

[westislandterrier]

CartwRIGHT...... I think I can confidently speak for the majority of Town fans and say he’d have been better named CartWRONG !!! 😉

[utttrooper]

Apr 21, 2024 18:00:11 GMT 1 westislandterrier said:

CartwRIGHT...... I think I can confidently speak for the majority of Town fans and say he’d have been better named CartWRONG !!! 😉

Cartshit would also do the job

[H7]

I never like calling for people to lose their jobs but if we go down his position is completely untenable, I literally can't think of a single good decision made since he's come in, and it's not as if there's loads of indifferent decisions and the odd clanger, EVERY decision has been horrendous. Everything he's touched has turned to shit. Needs to go for his sake as well as ours.

[jimmynich]

Overpaid underworked useless tosser

[nicovaesen]

Great connections with stokealona though 🤷‍♂️ Blokes been dining out on that for years

[willo]

This guy is bettering Ian Ayre for the amount of bad decisions made.

[htfcterry]

He's over achieved according to Nagle. He did everything that was asked and more.

therealefl.co.uk/2024/03/12/tough-one-huddersfield-town-chief-opens-up-on-january-transfer-business/

[Tinpot]

Apr 21, 2024 8:37:13 GMT 1 cecerececerececere said:

A few things...the decisions to:

Keep Warnock
Sack Warnock so early
Appoint Moore
Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds
Keep Moore into Jan transfer window
Let Worthington go back to the Academy
Appoint Breitenreiter

Not been the best year, has it?

....and that's before we talk about his player signings.

Is Worthington not doing a good job with the academy?

I would suggest it's too early to say that either way.

[Henry Mcgee]

Apr 21, 2024 8:37:13 GMT 1 cecerececerececere said:

A few things...the decisions to:

Keep Warnock
Sack Warnock so early
Appoint Moore
Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds
Keep Moore into Jan transfer window
Let Worthington go back to the Academy
Appoint Breitenreiter

Not been the best year, has it?

....and that's before we talk about his player signings.

Warnock signed for the extra year in June - before Cartwright joined
Warnock leaving wasn't a football decision- so not Cartwright's
All the rest - fair enough

[Tinpot]

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

[richhtfc]

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

I’m still undecided on Matos, for all his energy and combativeness his touch, passing and all round game doesn’t even look championship level to me. Maybe he’s being brought down by the situation we’re in but I expected more.

Edit: and as I said originally he wasn’t the player we needed, we already have Kasumu and Hogg to do his job. We were desperate for a ball playing midfielder who could hold on to the ball, get us up the pitch and create chances.

[townarentbest]

Apr 23, 2024 6:52:01 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Apr 21, 2024 8:37:13 GMT 1 cecerececerececere said:

A few things...the decisions to:

Keep Warnock
Sack Warnock so early
Appoint Moore
Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds
Keep Moore into Jan transfer window
Let Worthington go back to the Academy
Appoint Breitenreiter

Not been the best year, has it?

....and that's before we talk about his player signings.

Warnock signed for the extra year in June - before Cartwright joined
Warnock leaving wasn't a football decision- so not Cartwright's
All the rest - fair enough

You don’t think Worthington should have gone back to the academy after his caretaker stint was over?

eh😳 

[ldr]

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

That’s a decent analysis imo. I agree re Matos but on Saturday, he was a disgrace. Letting men go constantly, giving up presses, switching off and useless in possession. He never worked out that their full backs were coming through midfield and that it was his job to stop those runs either fairly and with tactical fouls. He’s a young kid with bags of energy but he encapsulated our ‘giving up’ imo.

[chadders51]

Sure I read all these comments on the Oatcake two years ago 😊

[htfcterry]

Apr 23, 2024 8:15:48 GMT 1 chadders51 said:

Sure I read all these comments on the Oatcake two years ago 😊

To be fair I didn't see a single positive comment from a Stoke fan when we appointed him. Both him and Jake Edwards have been an embarrassment this season.

[netherterrier]

I can’t blame him for Port Vale’s performance but the 2 managers appointed by the senior people at town have a record of P51 W7 D18 L26 Pts 39 this season.
Surely they need a change in approach or get someone competent in?

[2ellandback]

Apr 23, 2024 8:02:46 GMT 1 townarentbest said:

Apr 23, 2024 6:52:01 GMT 1 Henry Mcgee said:

Warnock signed for the extra year in June - before Cartwright joined
Warnock leaving wasn't a football decision- so not Cartwright's
All the rest - fair enough

You don’t think Worthington should have gone back to the academy after his caretaker stint was over?

eh😳 

I think he means that Worthington should have been kept on longer either as manager or to work with the new manager. 

[boooothy]

I thought it was all Bromby’s fault.

[royrace]

Apr 23, 2024 7:59:42 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

I’m still undecided on Matos, for all his energy and combativeness his touch, passing and all round game doesn’t even look championship level to me. Maybe he’s being brought down by the situation we’re in but I expected more.

Edit: and as I said originally he wasn’t the player we needed, we already have Kasumu and Hogg to do his job. We were desperate for a ball playing midfielder who could hold on to the ball, get us up the pitch and create chances.

Exactly, they decided to bring in a younger version of Hogg and slightly better version of Kasumu when we were desperate for a creative midfielder. The mind boggles. That's why we'll never have any success so long as the current DoF is here.

Anyone missing Hogg btw? Got bored of people slating him on here this season. Same with Pearson and Lees. The obvious problem with this squad for the last two seasons is a lack of championship quality creative midfielders, full backs and strikers.

The DM and CB positions are adequate. Cartwright signs a CB and a DM in January as the last roll of the dice and suprise surprise we're relegated.

The one thing he got right was signing strikers but one injury prone, one not ready. And still managed to spend £4M... Ouch.

[Sparrow]

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

Thing is, not all of those are down to Cartwright. Chris Maxwell, Ben Wiles, Jordan Rhodes, Nic Bilokapic and Dwayne Holmes were all Warnock's decisions. So in essence the vast majority of the summer transfer business and lack of incomings were down to Warnock in the main. Plus the resigning of Ward and Ruffles were also 100% Warnock's decisions.

January on paper did look like a good window and we were certainly more active. We've obviously had to take some risks to get players in within our budget and also players willing to come for a relegation scrap. Unfortunately, non of those risks have worked out.

Darren Moore's appointment turned out to be crap, but I actually think the club were backed into a bit of a corner with some of what Warnock had done / was doing and they took a decision to sack him and made a rushed appointment of Moore, to make it look like a planned one. In hindsight, they would have been better letting Warnock go by mutual consent and taking their time to get the right person in.

The decision to keep him as long as they did, seems to have been down to Kevin Nagle rather than Cartwright.

I'm not sticking up for Cartwright here by the way, just trying to highlight that not all the crap decisions around player and manager recruitment we all his.

[Uddersfield]

The decision to get rid of our Championship security in Warnock after just giving him the summer pre-season for Darren Moore is a sackable decision on it's own.

[rockwall]

Serious question.

Would anyone take Webber back? I know he's had bad press with those comments a few weeks back, but surely he would take any opportunity to get back into the game.

[runner76]

Apr 22, 2024 22:50:54 GMT 1 H7 said:

I never like calling for people to lose their jobs but if we go down his position is completely untenable, I literally can't think of a single good decision made since he's come in, and it's not as if there's loads of indifferent decisions and the odd clanger, EVERY decision has been horrendous. Everything he's touched has turned to shit. Needs to go for his sake as well as ours.

One good decision - Brodie Spencer

[htafcokay]

Apr 23, 2024 10:57:19 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Serious question.

Would anyone take Webber back? I know he's had bad press with those comments a few weeks back, but surely he would take any opportunity to get back into the game.

No.

Let's find the new Webber, and have some new ideas. 

[Up the Duff.]

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

Don't forget the new signings of Ruffels and Ward.

[Deleted]

Apr 21, 2024 18:00:11 GMT 1 westislandterrier said:

CartwRIGHT...... I think I can confidently speak for the majority of Town fans and say he’d have been better named CartWRONG !!! 😉

CartHORSE as he's certainly no thoroughbred !

[Up the Duff.]

Apr 23, 2024 10:24:19 GMT 1 Sparrow said:

Apr 23, 2024 7:33:14 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season.

One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant.

His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper.

Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more.

Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level.

Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either.

Balker - injured.

Healey - Injured.

Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed

The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though:

* Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless.

* Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season.

* At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it.

Thing is, not all of those are down to Cartwright. Chris Maxwell, Ben Wiles, Jordan Rhodes, Nic Bilokapic and Dwayne Holmes were all Warnock's decisions. So in essence the vast majority of the summer transfer business and lack of incomings were down to Warnock in the main. Plus the resigning of Ward and Ruffles were also 100% Warnock's decisions.

January on paper did look like a good window and we were certainly more active. We've obviously had to take some risks to get players in within our budget and also players willing to come for a relegation scrap. Unfortunately, non of those risks have worked out.

Darren Moore's appointment turned out to be crap, but I actually think the club were backed into a bit of a corner with some of what Warnock had done / was doing and they took a decision to sack him and made a rushed appointment of Moore, to make it look like a planned one. In hindsight, they would have been better letting Warnock go by mutual consent and taking their time to get the right person in.

The decision to keep him as long as they did, seems to have been down to Kevin Nagle rather than Cartwright.

I'm not sticking up for Cartwright here by the way, just trying to highlight that not all the crap decisions around player and manager recruitment we all his.

What was it Warnock was doing exactly ? You seem to state this as a fact so you must know. Please enlighten us.