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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 11:20:39 GMT 1
Thing is, not all of those are down to Cartwright. Chris Maxwell, Ben Wiles, Jordan Rhodes, Nic Bilokapic and Dwayne Holmes were all Warnock's decisions. So in essence the vast majority of the summer transfer business and lack of incomings were down to Warnock in the main. Plus the resigning of Ward and Ruffles were also 100% Warnock's decisions. January on paper did look like a good window and we were certainly more active. We've obviously had to take some risks to get players in within our budget and also players willing to come for a relegation scrap. Unfortunately, non of those risks have worked out. Darren Moore's appointment turned out to be crap, but I actually think the club were backed into a bit of a corner with some of what Warnock had done / was doing and they took a decision to sack him and made a rushed appointment of Moore, to make it look like a planned one. In hindsight, they would have been better letting Warnock go by mutual consent and taking their time to get the right person in. The decision to keep him as long as they did, seems to have been down to Kevin Nagle rather than Cartwright. I'm not sticking up for Cartwright here by the way, just trying to highlight that not all the crap decisions around player and manager recruitment we all his. What was it Warnock was doing exactly ? You seem to state this as a fact so you must know. Please enlighten us. Signed some players up to his son's agency, tried to sign some of his old mates from his former clubs and got rid of a reserve team goalkeeper who thought he was going on loan, rather than permanently. That's about the gist of it, I think. The bastard. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Apr 23, 2024 11:26:36 GMT 1
What was it Warnock was doing exactly ? You seem to state this as a fact so you must know. Please enlighten us. Signed some players up to his son's agency, tried to sign some of his old mates from his former clubs and got rid of a reserve team goalkeeper who thought he was going on loan, rather than permanently. That's about the gist of it, I think. The bastard. Is that it ? Is that so bad that we had to force him out in double quick time ? I would rather we had simply told him that he could no longer make such decisions and kept him on as our manager. Thanks for the reply htafcokay |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 11:30:43 GMT 1
Signed some players up to his son's agency, tried to sign some of his old mates from his former clubs and got rid of a reserve team goalkeeper who thought he was going on loan, rather than permanently. That's about the gist of it, I think. The bastard. Is that it ? Is that so bad that we had to force him out in double quick time ? I would rather we had simply told him that he could no longer make such decisions and kept him on as our manager. Thanks for the reply htafcokay Only from reading between the lines on here, as no-one has ever really come out and said exactly what he's done, other than a lot of "nudge nudge wink wink" posts. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2024 12:11:15 GMT 1
Serious question. Would anyone take Webber back? I know he's had bad press with those comments a few weeks back, but surely he would take any opportunity to get back into the game. Id take him back all day long. Comes across as a bit of an arrogant git but different level to Cartwright IMO and very good track record of course. Such a key role, if Kevin has big plans he needs to get that position right. |
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Post by 4 pts on Apr 23, 2024 12:34:08 GMT 1
With him being an ex agent I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of his signings benefited him or at least individuals he's worked with in the past.
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Post by prepare on Apr 23, 2024 12:39:56 GMT 1
Serious question. Would anyone take Webber back? I know he's had bad press with those comments a few weeks back, but surely he would take any opportunity to get back into the game. Id take him back all day long. Comes across as a bit of an arrogant git but different level to Cartwright IMO and very good track record of course. Such a key role, if Kevin has big plans he needs to get that position right. id have back tomorrow him and Ross Wilson were outstanding but don’t forget everyone has to take responsibility not just Cartwright! |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 23, 2024 12:51:21 GMT 1
Webber’s father-in-law has some sort of connection to Sutton United. A couple of seasons ago I went on their supporters coach to an away game and sat opposite him. We got talking and obviously he noticed my accent so I told him I was a Town fan.
He said his son-in-law had nothing good to say about HTAFC, but I think we all knew that anyway and it was some time ago. I doubt Webber would have the humility to return to Town.
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2024 12:58:00 GMT 1
Webber’s father-in-law has some sort of connection to Sutton United. A couple of seasons ago I went on their supporters coach to an away game and sat opposite him. We got talking and obviously he noticed my accent so I told him I was a Town fan. He said his son-in-law had nothing good to say about HTAFC, but I think we all knew that anyway and it was some time ago. I doubt Webber would have the humility to return to Town. Probably not but I would imagine the things he was unhappy with were related to the ownership and chief exec at the time. Very different now, currently worse but the things he wasn't happy with last time out might be a thing of the past |
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 23, 2024 13:52:49 GMT 1
Thing is, not all of those are down to Cartwright. Chris Maxwell, Ben Wiles, Jordan Rhodes, Nic Bilokapic and Dwayne Holmes were all Warnock's decisions. So in essence the vast majority of the summer transfer business and lack of incomings were down to Warnock in the main. Plus the resigning of Ward and Ruffles were also 100% Warnock's decisions. January on paper did look like a good window and we were certainly more active. We've obviously had to take some risks to get players in within our budget and also players willing to come for a relegation scrap. Unfortunately, non of those risks have worked out. Darren Moore's appointment turned out to be crap, but I actually think the club were backed into a bit of a corner with some of what Warnock had done / was doing and they took a decision to sack him and made a rushed appointment of Moore, to make it look like a planned one. In hindsight, they would have been better letting Warnock go by mutual consent and taking their time to get the right person in. The decision to keep him as long as they did, seems to have been down to Kevin Nagle rather than Cartwright. I'm not sticking up for Cartwright here by the way, just trying to highlight that not all the crap decisions around player and manager recruitment we all his. What was it Warnock was doing exactly ? You seem to state this as a fact so you must know. Please enlighten us. There have been a fair few allusions suggesting Warnock did something wrong. No-one has spelled it out. Just Chinese whispers. I think the bloke responsible for last season’s miracle deserves better. |
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Post by mosher on Apr 23, 2024 14:37:36 GMT 1
A few things...the decisions to: Keep Warnock Sack Warnock so early Appoint Moore Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds Keep Moore into Jan transfer window Let Worthington go back to the Academy Appoint Breitenreiter Not been the best year, has it? ....and that's before we talk about his player signings. Is Worthington not doing a good job with the academy? I would suggest it's too early to say that either way. He's doing great for the Academy, he's just signed up my boss' mate's son Hassan. Funny thing is he's a Bradford lad and watched the game Saturday (with the others that had signed for next year's Academy) and he said he'd get in our defence NOW  |
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Post by Richard1986 on Apr 23, 2024 15:57:15 GMT 1
A few things...the decisions to: Keep Warnock Sack Warnock so early Appoint Moore Not sack Moore after Cardiff and L**ds Keep Moore into Jan transfer window Let Worthington go back to the Academy Appoint Breitenreiter Not been the best year, has it? ....and that's before we talk about his player signings. If he is responsible fucking get rid. Honestly, someone managed to convince one of the best English manager around to come on board and you let him go? |
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Post by waggers on Apr 23, 2024 16:10:22 GMT 1
Of the player signings, out of 8 in 2 windows, there are only two that you could call a success this season. One of those is Matos, and let's be honest for all that he's done reasonably well, he's been no ESR or Levi Colwill. He's been "quite good", not brilliant. His best player signing was the purchase of our second choice keeper. Burgzorg divided opinion at first, but doesn't any more. Edwards - responsible for arguably the worst performance anyone has ever seen from a defender at this level. Way out of his depth at this level. Wiles - I can only assume that his injury has royally fucked him both physically and mentally. I've seen nothing of him to suggest that he'll be up to the job in Lg1 either. Balker - injured. Healey - Injured. Radulovic - was always going to need time to get up to speed The outgoings? Well, we had a lot of loan players and contracts ending, and we were right not to keep most of them. There were 3 that caused concern amongst some of us though: * Bilokapic permanent transfer instead of loan. Honestly, that hasn't really bitten us this season. It might next though. We're likely to lose Nicholls and having Bilo and Chapman pushing Maxwell for his shirt would be a very good thing in Lg1. Not a massive problem, but a poor decision nonetheless. * Rhodes. Ok, he ain't great at this level, but it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest he would have offered more than what we've had from the current options this season. * At the risk of incurring the wrath of Porroh, we would undoubtedly have been better with Holmes here. He had his faults, maybe lacked a bit of quality but worked his socks off, played for the team rather than himself and - let's be honest here - our midfield is SO weak that plenty worse players than him would still walk into it. I’m still undecided on Matos, for all his energy and combativeness his touch, passing and all round game doesn’t even look championship level to me. Maybe he’s being brought down by the situation we’re in but I expected more. Edit: and as I said originally he wasn’t the player we needed, we already have Kasumu and Hogg to do his job. We were desperate for a ball playing midfielder who could hold on to the ball, get us up the pitch and create chances. Was Wiles supposed to be the ball playing midfielder we needed? He is a shocking signing but was that the plan? |
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Post by goodbet on Apr 23, 2024 18:26:23 GMT 1
Is that it ? Is that so bad that we had to force him out in double quick time ? I would rather we had simply told him that he could no longer make such decisions and kept him on as our manager. Thanks for the reply htafcokay Only from reading between the lines on here, as no-one has ever really come out and said exactly what he's done, other than a lot of "nudge nudge wink wink" posts. There seemed to be a concerted effort by a few on here to blame everything on Warnock, by people who were flying the flag for Cartwright and co. It was all innuendo and no one could or would explain what was so bad that he needed to go asap and not because he responded to KN's comments. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 24, 2024 16:02:51 GMT 1
Why haven't we heard anything from Cartwright or Edwards through official channels since their initial interviews?
Burying their heads in the sand rather than fronting up to the fans and owning up to this shitshow of a season just proves to me that that the biggest cowards at the club are in the boardroom.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 24, 2024 16:04:07 GMT 1
Why haven't we heard anything from Cartwright or Edwards through official channels since their initial interviews? Burying their heads in the sand rather than fronting up to the fans and owning up to this shitshow of a season just proves to me that that the biggest cowards at the club are in the boardroom. Serious question, what has Edwards done or not done to for people to be constantly demanding his sacking? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 24, 2024 16:06:26 GMT 1
Why haven't we heard anything from Cartwright or Edwards through official channels since their initial interviews? Burying their heads in the sand rather than fronting up to the fans and owning up to this shitshow of a season just proves to me that that the biggest cowards at the club are in the boardroom. Serious question, what has Edwards done or not done to deserve for people to constantly be demanding his sacking? He's the one put in place to run the club and I haven't demanded his sacking, just for him and Cartwright to own up to the circus we've witnessed all season. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Apr 24, 2024 18:03:52 GMT 1
Serious question, what has Edwards done or not done to deserve for people to constantly be demanding his sacking? He's the one put in place to run the club and I haven't demanded his sacking, just for him and Cartwright to own up to the circus we've witnessed all season. Nope they’ll leave the manager and players to take the abuse. Not saying they’re blame free though. |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Apr 25, 2024 12:21:07 GMT 1
As far as I’m concerned the decision to appoint Moore is enough for them both to go. Moore was a disaster from game one to game 23 or whatever it was. Even if Warnock had to go replacing him with Moore was ridiculous. He was not popular at Wednesday despite what some think. Any proper research on him would have produced the telling evidence. He failed at Doncaster too and look at them now. Gone from relegation to promotion candidates.
PS and another issue I thought the argument against appointing Michael … guy who managed Barnsley and Swansea was that he wouldn’t move his kids north from Cheltenham. Yet we now here BrightonWriter is flying home to Germany midweek which maybe a myth although him fully settling in the area is an issue.
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Post by runner76 on Apr 25, 2024 12:31:05 GMT 1
As far as I’m concerned the decision to appoint Moore is enough for them both to go. Moore was a disaster from game one to game 23 or whatever it was. Even if Warnock had to go replacing him with Moore was ridiculous. He was not popular at Wednesday despite what some think. Any proper research on him would have produced the telling evidence. He failed at Doncaster too and look at them now. Gone from relegation to promotion candidates. PS and another issue I thought the argument against appointing Michael … guy who managed Barnsley and Swansea was that he wouldn’t move his kids north from Cheltenham. Yet we now here BrightonWriter is flying home to Germany midweek which maybe a myth although him fully settling in the area is an issue. If AB leaves end of season (IF we are relegated...) it really would be the shit icing on the turd cake |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 25, 2024 12:42:20 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 25, 2024 14:14:05 GMT 1
Is that our entrance music for Saturday, or for when the opposition score? |
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Post by King Neil on Apr 25, 2024 14:25:57 GMT 1
Is that our entrance music for Saturday, or for when the opposition score? It's the new club anthem |
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Apr 25, 2024 15:39:35 GMT 1
I prefer the Cartwright & Edwards version
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 25, 2024 15:44:49 GMT 1
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 25, 2024 16:53:05 GMT 1
To be fair I didn’t realise how much work goes in to ruining a football club within the space of 12 months. |
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Post by goodbet on Apr 25, 2024 18:48:39 GMT 1
To be fair I didn’t realise how much work goes in to ruining a football club within the space of 12 months. And how much one man can get wrong. |
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 25, 2024 19:12:14 GMT 1
To be fair, he's only got three things wrong this season
1. Sacking Warnock so early
2. Recruiting Darren Bore
3. Not sacking Darren Bore soon enough.
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Post by paderbornterrier on Apr 25, 2024 19:25:08 GMT 1
You would imagine when the review of the season takes place then this chancer would be the first one out the door.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 25, 2024 19:31:00 GMT 1
To be fair I didn’t realise how much work goes in to ruining a football club within the space of 12 months. I think you’ve a typo? 😉 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 25, 2024 19:43:40 GMT 1
I might be doing the bloke a disservice here as I’ve only watched bits and fast forwarded through. He comes across as sure of himself, likes to name drop a bit as well. Stoke-alona… 😂 Strikes me as a bit of a bullshitter really, but guess others a bit closer to the club will know for sure. I still don’t get his track record though. Did we announce this bloke as being a bit of a coup when we hired him? |
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