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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 14:22:09 GMT 1
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. Was not saying it was a bad choice to do so, the point being made was you can't tell Warnock he can't have free signings , that he knows. Then spunk quoted "significant" fee on someone who has just come back from a huge injury. Then say its Warnock fault soley, he does not sign off the checks/contracts.
Warncok was not here in January and how many of those signings have worked to date? Healey at a push
Cartwright can't have both ways as it were, sign off on players with have had huge injuries and tell managers they can't have certain players. Then get shut of said manager, then bring in players and managers who have had zero effect. Warnock has proven expeirnece of having an effect like him or not. Maybe if we had let Warnock carry on , Wiles wouldn't be subject of question, as Warnock may well have had a plan on how to use him, that the other two have not to date / in AB's case.
Think you'll find they can actually do all those things you state. That's what they are employed to do. If he didn't think Hoillet was good enough - which he isn't, then he can say no. That's the whole point. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 14:25:25 GMT 1
There is a little difference here - a few points if i may !
1. Warnock is not my hero, i respect what he has done in his career and with us. 2. Wiles was a Warnock signing yes, but why sign a player and then get shut of the manager within 3 weeks? 3. If the plan was to remove Warnock imminently - then why let him sign anyone ? When the new manager does not want him or may not ? 4. Cartwright is responsible for singings and manager choices, as part of the signing process. Then there really should have being a major check in Wiles, after his huge injury and we should have either paid less or backed out regardless of weather Warnock wanted him or not . Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Can you imagine the shit Cartwroght would be getting if we had sold Hoillet? I think he made the correct decision to not sign him. Way past it. It has been highlighted many times why Warnock was removed, and once again, rightly so. Noone is bigger than their employer. Personally Cartwright has had a mixed time here. Unfortunately, he will be judged on the Moore appointment, which turned out to be abysmal. Burgzorg, Matos, Healey, Balker and Radulovic look safe signings. Hipefully a pre season sorts the injury situation out with Balker especially. Obviously 2 are loans, but he has shown he can use the loan market well. Edward sis judged on a mauling at Elland Road. Apart from that has he actually done anything wrong? I suppose it all depends on where Nagle actually wants to take the club doesn't it ?
As the first season as football operations and we could be relegated. There are many people maynard for one, who do not speak well of Cartwright. He has done nothing to date, that says he knows what he is doing or can get the players in or manager in, to take the club where Nagle wants to seemingly go. Depends on what you class as "working" also does it not, being relegated is not a "working well" season in anyone's book i would think.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:27:53 GMT 1
Has any owner ever been relegated in their first season in ownership of Town?
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2024 14:28:54 GMT 1
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. Was not saying it was a bad choice to do so, the point being made was you can't tell Warnock he can't have free signings , that he knows. Then spunk quoted "significant" fee on someone who has just come back from a huge injury. Then say its Warnock fault soley, he does not sign off the checks/contracts.
Warncok was not here in January and how many of those signings have worked to date? Healey at a push Cartwright can't have both ways as it were, sign off on players with have had huge injuries and tell managers they can't have certain players. Then get shut of said manager, then bring in players and managers who have had zero effect. Warnock has proven expeirnece of having an effect like him or not. Maybe if we had let Warnock carry on , Wiles wouldn't be subject of question, as Warnock may well have had a plan on how to use him, that the other two have not to date / in AB's case.
I dont disagree. Warnock shouldn't have been near any signings, 1) because he was clearly not going to be here for very long and 2) he signs his mates (Ward, Hoilett etc) and absolute dross. He has done for years. He's the best fire fighter in the business by a country mile but don't give the old git any money to spend. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/neil-warnock/spielertransfers/trainer/1527/plus/1/galerie/0?station_id=Whether Cartwright should be anywhere near any signings either is very much open to debate. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 16, 2024 14:29:22 GMT 1
There is a little difference here - a few points if i may !
1. Warnock is not my hero, i respect what he has done in his career and with us. 2. Wiles was a Warnock signing yes, but why sign a player and then get shut of the manager within 3 weeks? 3. If the plan was to remove Warnock imminently - then why let him sign anyone ? When the new manager does not want him or may not ? 4. Cartwright is responsible for singings and manager choices, as part of the signing process. Then there really should have being a major check in Wiles, after his huge injury and we should have either paid less or backed out regardless of weather Warnock wanted him or not . Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Can you imagine the shit Cartwroght would be getting if we had sold Hoillet? I think he made the correct decision to not sign him. Way past it. It has been highlighted many times why Warnock was removed, and once again, rightly so. Noone is bigger than their employer. Personally Cartwright has had a mixed time here. Unfortunately, he will be judged on the Moore appointment, which turned out to be abysmal. Burgzorg, Matos, Healey, Balker and Radulovic look safe signings. Hipefully a pre season sorts the injury situation out with Balker especially. Obviously 2 are loans, but he has shown he can use the loan market well. Edward sis judged on a mauling at Elland Road. Apart from that has he actually done anything wrong? You're being kind to him there! Every footballing decision has been disastrous. Not just the people but the timing. January was key, he failed to bring in a fit and firing striker we desperately needed and failed to bring in a ball playing midfielder. Just more players for the treatment table. Then he appointed a manager with a great CV but zero experience in the league. Not to mention signing a coach from league two to help him out. I'm honestly not sure how it could have gone worse. Matos is a good loan signing, the two strikers might be decent in time but we don't have time. André I'm sure is a great manager and I hope he has time to show us but possibly not the man for the fire fighting job. Just shows poor judgement in all areas and that's before you consider his involvement in Warnock leaving early. Warnock being a very naughty boy or a clash of egos? We can only speculate because nobody on here knows. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 14:31:00 GMT 1
Was not saying it was a bad choice to do so, the point being made was you can't tell Warnock he can't have free signings , that he knows. Then spunk quoted "significant" fee on someone who has just come back from a huge injury. Then say its Warnock fault soley, he does not sign off the checks/contracts.
Warncok was not here in January and how many of those signings have worked to date? Healey at a push Cartwright can't have both ways as it were, sign off on players with have had huge injuries and tell managers they can't have certain players. Then get shut of said manager, then bring in players and managers who have had zero effect. Warnock has proven expeirnece of having an effect like him or not. Maybe if we had let Warnock carry on , Wiles wouldn't be subject of question, as Warnock may well have had a plan on how to use him, that the other two have not to date / in AB's case.
I dont disagree. Warnock shouldn't have been near any signings, 1) because he was clearly not going to be here for very long and 2) he signs his mates (Ward, Hoilett etc) and absolute dross. He has done for years. He's the best fire fighter in the business by a country mile but don't give the old git any money to spend. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/neil-warnock/spielertransfers/trainer/1527/plus/1/galerie/0?station_id=Whether Cartwright should be anywhere near any signings either is very much open to debate. Exactly my point cracker, the blame as it were cannot and should not just be put at Warnock's door. If this season goes as it well could , then the whole operation needs looking at . |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:32:09 GMT 1
Can you imagine the shit Cartwroght would be getting if we had sold Hoillet? I think he made the correct decision to not sign him. Way past it. It has been highlighted many times why Warnock was removed, and once again, rightly so. Noone is bigger than their employer. Personally Cartwright has had a mixed time here. Unfortunately, he will be judged on the Moore appointment, which turned out to be abysmal. Burgzorg, Matos, Healey, Balker and Radulovic look safe signings. Hipefully a pre season sorts the injury situation out with Balker especially. Obviously 2 are loans, but he has shown he can use the loan market well. Edward sis judged on a mauling at Elland Road. Apart from that has he actually done anything wrong? You're being kind to him there! Every footballing decision has been disastrous. Not just the people but the timing. January was key, he failed to bring in a fit and firing striker we desperately needed and failed to bring in a ball playing midfielder. Just more players for the treatment table. Then he appointed a manager with a great CV but zero experience in the league. Not to mention signing a coach from league two to help him out. I'm honestly not sure how it could have gone worse. Matos is a good loan signing, the two strikers might be decent in time but we don't have time. André I'm sure is a great manager and I hope he has time to show us but possibly not the man for the fire fighting job. Just shows poor judgement in all areas and that's before you consider his involvement in Warnock leaving early. Warnock being a very naughty boy or a clash of egos? We can only speculate because nobody on here knows. We were all set to appoint Michael Duff, to be fair. Who is the League Two coach? If you're referring to Kevin Russell, it was Russell who did all the coaching under Worthington and had them playing the world class football (ahem) that we adopted for the four game spell. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:32:49 GMT 1
Was not saying it was a bad choice to do so, the point being made was you can't tell Warnock he can't have free signings , that he knows. Then spunk quoted "significant" fee on someone who has just come back from a huge injury. Then say its Warnock fault soley, he does not sign off the checks/contracts.
Warncok was not here in January and how many of those signings have worked to date? Healey at a push Cartwright can't have both ways as it were, sign off on players with have had huge injuries and tell managers they can't have certain players. Then get shut of said manager, then bring in players and managers who have had zero effect. Warnock has proven expeirnece of having an effect like him or not. Maybe if we had let Warnock carry on , Wiles wouldn't be subject of question, as Warnock may well have had a plan on how to use him, that the other two have not to date / in AB's case.
I dont disagree. Warnock shouldn't have been near any signings, 1) because he was clearly not going to be here for very long and 2) he signs his mates (Ward, Hoilett etc) and absolute dross. He has done for years. He's the best fire fighter in the business by a country mile but don't give the old git any money to spend. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/neil-warnock/spielertransfers/trainer/1527/plus/1/galerie/0?station_id=Whether Cartwright should be anywhere near any signings either is very much open to debate. And gets promoted with them. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2024 14:34:41 GMT 1
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. Can he pass the ball to a team mate though? Is he better than Tom Edwards? Thems the questions and I think it's probably yes to both. Also lots of experience in this league. Might have been a good signing. Also is he injury prone? If not another improvement. Is he a good pro? An experienced head in the dressing room? Tick tick. Last I heard he'd signed for Aberdeen, no idea how he's done up there but it did suggest he didn't want to go back to Canada as was suggested at the time. Not sure why is he better than Tom Edwards is much use when one is (allegedly) a RB and the other is a Winger. We needed good players, not experience in the dressing room. We have plenty of that in Nicholls, Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Helik, Ward...what we have is not enough quality and Hoilett wasn't going to change that. There's a reason he left Reading and nobody wanted him apart from Warnock, twice. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2024 14:37:37 GMT 1
I dont disagree. Warnock shouldn't have been near any signings, 1) because he was clearly not going to be here for very long and 2) he signs his mates (Ward, Hoilett etc) and absolute dross. He has done for years. He's the best fire fighter in the business by a country mile but don't give the old git any money to spend. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/neil-warnock/spielertransfers/trainer/1527/plus/1/galerie/0?station_id=Whether Cartwright should be anywhere near any signings either is very much open to debate. And gets promoted with them. He can do, aye. Turned water into wine, plenty of times. But in his last spell of any length he left Boro in 15th. The only spell of length in his 70s. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:40:21 GMT 1
And gets promoted with them. He can do, aye. Turned water into wine, plenty of times. But in his last spell of any length he left Boro in 15th. The only spell of length in his 70s. Four points off the play-offs, mind you. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:02 GMT 1
He can do, aye. Turned water into wine, plenty of times. But in his last spell of any length he left Boro in 15th. The only spell of length in his 70s. Four points off the play-offs, mind you. 14th and 7 points off the play-offs when sacked by Cardiff, having just come down. I'm not criticising him, I just personally wouldn't have him signing players. Undoubtedly he more often than not gets the best out of them but in a job he was only ever going to be in for 12 months or likely less, folk on likely 3 or 4 years deals needed to be useable by someone else. The vast majority of his Boro signings have been shipped out at a loss and even Cardiff seems like a mixed bag, where a lot of what ended up being his core were already there whilst incomings didn't really improve them. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 14:52:03 GMT 1
Can you imagine the shit Cartwroght would be getting if we had sold Hoillet? I think he made the correct decision to not sign him. Way past it. It has been highlighted many times why Warnock was removed, and once again, rightly so. Noone is bigger than their employer. Personally Cartwright has had a mixed time here. Unfortunately, he will be judged on the Moore appointment, which turned out to be abysmal. Burgzorg, Matos, Healey, Balker and Radulovic look safe signings. Hipefully a pre season sorts the injury situation out with Balker especially. Obviously 2 are loans, but he has shown he can use the loan market well. Edward sis judged on a mauling at Elland Road. Apart from that has he actually done anything wrong? You're being kind to him there! Every footballing decision has been disastrous. Not just the people but the timing. January was key, he failed to bring in a fit and firing striker we desperately needed and failed to bring in a ball playing midfielder. Just more players for the treatment table. Then he appointed a manager with a great CV but zero experience in the league. Not to mention signing a coach from league two to help him out. I'm honestly not sure how it could have gone worse. Matos is a good loan signing, the two strikers might be decent in time but we don't have time. André I'm sure is a great manager and I hope he has time to show us but possibly not the man for the fire fighting job. Just shows poor judgement in all areas and that's before you consider his involvement in Warnock leaving early. Warnock being a very naughty boy or a clash of egos? We can only speculate because nobody on here knows. I'm not for a moment saying he has done well, far from it. But I don't think these conversations would be happening had the Moore appointment worked. Nobody wanted Warnock to leave, he had pride back on the field, he had players performing to their maximum. But, I understand why he had to go. The key word you have used is 'time' and I agree we haven't got time. My worry was how long he let Moore carry on. He should have gone after Elland Road. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:54:45 GMT 1
Four points off the play-offs, mind you. 14th and 7 points off the play-offs when sacked by Cardiff, having just come down. I'm not criticising him, I just personally wouldn't have him signing players. Undoubtedly he more often than not gets the best out of them but in a job he was only ever going to be in for 12 months or likely less, folk on likely 3 or 4 years deals needed to be useable by someone else. The vast majority of his Boro signings have been shipped out at a loss and even Cardiff seems like a mixed bag, where a lot of what ended up being his core were already there whilst incomings didn't really improve them. I agree. Which is why it was stupid to either give him the job in the first place, or sack him a month into the season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 14:56:09 GMT 1
You're being kind to him there! Every footballing decision has been disastrous. Not just the people but the timing. January was key, he failed to bring in a fit and firing striker we desperately needed and failed to bring in a ball playing midfielder. Just more players for the treatment table. Then he appointed a manager with a great CV but zero experience in the league. Not to mention signing a coach from league two to help him out. I'm honestly not sure how it could have gone worse. Matos is a good loan signing, the two strikers might be decent in time but we don't have time. André I'm sure is a great manager and I hope he has time to show us but possibly not the man for the fire fighting job. Just shows poor judgement in all areas and that's before you consider his involvement in Warnock leaving early. Warnock being a very naughty boy or a clash of egos? We can only speculate because nobody on here knows. I'm not for a moment saying he has done well, far from it. But I don't think these conversations would be happening had the Moore appointment worked. Nobody wanted Warnock to leave, he had pride back on the field, he had players performing to their maximum. But, I understand why he had to go. The key word you have used is 'time' and I agree we haven't got time. My worry was how long he let Moore carry on. He should have gone after Elland Road. That's when he lost the fans. Though in fairness, if we'd have been 4-0 down at Blackburn, the fans wouldn't have taken it so badly. It's only because it was at Leeds. Which is the only reason the fans hate Tom Edwards, because he had a shocker there. Bizarre, really. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 15:00:36 GMT 1
I'm not for a moment saying he has done well, far from it. But I don't think these conversations would be happening had the Moore appointment worked. Nobody wanted Warnock to leave, he had pride back on the field, he had players performing to their maximum. But, I understand why he had to go. The key word you have used is 'time' and I agree we haven't got time. My worry was how long he let Moore carry on. He should have gone after Elland Road. That's when he lost the fans. Though in fairness, if we'd have been 4-0 down at Blackburn, the fans wouldn't have taken it so badly. It's only because it was at Leeds. Which is the only reason the fans hate Tom Edwards, because he had a shocker there. Bizarre, really. Following on from the 4-0 drubbing midweek at gome to Csrdiff and 2 weeks after the 4-1 at Birmingham. Added in the 0-0 at home to SW, the only positive result was the 2-1 V QPR and that was lucky given they battered us for most the game. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 15:03:38 GMT 1
That's when he lost the fans. Though in fairness, if we'd have been 4-0 down at Blackburn, the fans wouldn't have taken it so badly. It's only because it was at Leeds. Which is the only reason the fans hate Tom Edwards, because he had a shocker there. Bizarre, really. Following on from the 4-0 drubbing midweek at gome to Csrdiff and 2 weeks after the 4-1 at Birmingham. Added in the 0-0 at home to SW, the only positive result was the 2-1 V QPR and that was lucky given they battered us for most the game. It was pretty obvious after about five games that he was rubbish. But there were still loads of people sticking up for him and there were certain games where we'd been garbage, yet you'd think we'd won judging by reactions on here. Southampton and Watford were the main two. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 16, 2024 15:07:27 GMT 1
Can he pass the ball to a team mate though? Is he better than Tom Edwards? Thems the questions and I think it's probably yes to both. Also lots of experience in this league. Might have been a good signing. Also is he injury prone? If not another improvement. Is he a good pro? An experienced head in the dressing room? Tick tick. Last I heard he'd signed for Aberdeen, no idea how he's done up there but it did suggest he didn't want to go back to Canada as was suggested at the time. Not sure why is he better than Tom Edwards is much use when one is (allegedly) a RB and the other is a Winger. We needed good players, not experience in the dressing room. We have plenty of that in Nicholls, Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Helik, Ward...what we have is not enough quality and Hoilett wasn't going to change that. There's a reason he left Reading and nobody wanted him apart from Warnock, twice. I think he'd been playing full back latterly. I've no idea if he can still do it at this level but his CV would suggest he'd be a far better option than Edwards. I also don't think another leader would go amiss. Not convinced we have enough as was pointed out by Warnock when be arrived. It's funny isn't it that Kevin valued Warnock's experience and opinion so much that he asked him to stay one more season and yet allegedly they didn't want to sign any of the players he wanted. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 15:10:06 GMT 1
Not sure why is he better than Tom Edwards is much use when one is (allegedly) a RB and the other is a Winger. We needed good players, not experience in the dressing room. We have plenty of that in Nicholls, Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Helik, Ward...what we have is not enough quality and Hoilett wasn't going to change that. There's a reason he left Reading and nobody wanted him apart from Warnock, twice. I think he'd been playing full back latterly. I've no idea if he can still do it at this level but his CV would suggest he'd be a far better option than Edwards. I also don't think another leader would go amiss. Not convinced we have enough as was pointed out by Warnock when be arrived. It's funny isn't it that Kevin valued Warnock's experience and opinion so much that he asked him to stay one more season and yet allegedly they didn't want to sign any of the players he wanted. Koroma, ruffels, Ward and Wiles? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 16, 2024 15:11:49 GMT 1
Not sure why is he better than Tom Edwards is much use when one is (allegedly) a RB and the other is a Winger. We needed good players, not experience in the dressing room. We have plenty of that in Nicholls, Lees, Pearson, Hogg, Helik, Ward...what we have is not enough quality and Hoilett wasn't going to change that. There's a reason he left Reading and nobody wanted him apart from Warnock, twice. I think he'd been playing full back latterly. I've no idea if he can still do it at this level but his CV would suggest he'd be a far better option than Edwards. I also don't think another leader would go amiss. Not convinced we have enough as was pointed out by Warnock when be arrived. It's funny isn't it that Kevin valued Warnock's experience and opinion so much that he asked him to stay one more season and yet allegedly they didn't want to sign any of the players he wanted. Keeping Warnock was a masterstroke on Nagle's part, really. It got everyone on board straight away and the lack of transfer activity in the summer was met with cries of "Yeah, but Warnock". If we'd appointed Darren Moore, for example, in the summer and barely signed anyone, the alarm bells would have been ringing much earlier than they were and Nagle would have copped for a fair bit more stick than he actually got. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 16, 2024 15:15:59 GMT 1
I think he'd been playing full back latterly. I've no idea if he can still do it at this level but his CV would suggest he'd be a far better option than Edwards. I also don't think another leader would go amiss. Not convinced we have enough as was pointed out by Warnock when be arrived. It's funny isn't it that Kevin valued Warnock's experience and opinion so much that he asked him to stay one more season and yet allegedly they didn't want to sign any of the players he wanted. Koroma, ruffels, Ward and Wiles? Only one new signing in that lot. I assume he actually wanted to improve the squad since it had just demonstrated how crap it was by effectively been relegated! |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 15:19:09 GMT 1
Koroma, ruffels, Ward and Wiles? Only one new signing in that lot. I assume he actually wanted to improve the squad since it had just demonstrated how crap it was by effectively been relegated! He got given his budget and then spent it on resigning 3 players. Only 1 person to blame for that. |
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Post by mrbluesky on Apr 18, 2024 21:36:35 GMT 1
For me relegation is the responsibility of Mark Cartwright .
He has massively underperformed in all of what he needed to deliver for the club , it's owner and supporters since his arrival.
He was delivered a gift in that he took on a championship club when championship 1 seemed inevitable when Kevin Nagle purchased the club and he and Edwards were appointed .
the gift of championship football came with the security of having the leagues best ever mgr heading up the team operations , albeit you would have to widen the doorways to fit his big head through but who cares , massage his ego whilst you work on the big picture and let him just secure championship status whilst putting in the big plans ( wasn't it premier league within 3 years)
this is what smart people do but personally I think we have anything but a smart guy as our DOF , in fact I think we have a big failure within our executive team.....if he was any good he would not have been in the American League , same as Edwards ( no disrespect intended , we are also not strong at NFL).
Relegation has Cartwright's name running right the way through it.
I think we have a decent owner but a very naive one in his recruitment of his executive team for english football.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 18, 2024 22:14:34 GMT 1
Has any owner ever been relegated in their first season in ownership of Town? That weird Roger bloke from the Isle of Man 87/88? Wonder what happened to him? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 18, 2024 22:34:37 GMT 1
Has any owner ever been relegated in their first season in ownership of Town? That weird Roger bloke from the Isle of Man 87/88? Wonder what happened to him? I found him recently. He runs safari tours in Florida. He'd gone by the time we were relegated in 1988. |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 18, 2024 22:43:52 GMT 1
For me relegation is the responsibility of Mark Cartwright . He has massively underperformed in all of what he needed to deliver for the club , it's owner and supporters since his arrival. He was delivered a gift in that he took on a championship club when championship 1 seemed inevitable when Kevin Nagle purchased the club and he and Edwards were appointed . the gift of championship football came with the security of having the leagues best ever mgr heading up the team operations , albeit you would have to widen the doorways to fit his big head through but who cares , massage his ego whilst you work on the big picture and let him just secure championship status whilst putting in the big plans ( wasn't it premier league within 3 years) this is what smart people do but personally I think we have anything but a smart guy as our DOF , in fact I think we have a big failure within our executive team.....if he was any good he would not have been in the American League , same as Edwards ( no disrespect intended , we are also not strong at NFL). Relegation has Cartwright's name running right the way through it. I think we have a decent owner but a very naive one in his recruitment of his executive team for english football. He doesn't have enough time between meals to do as you suggested and just mumbles random shit with a full mouth, that someone has to interpret, when something actually needs doing. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 18, 2024 23:12:24 GMT 1
That weird Roger bloke from the Isle of Man 87/88? Wonder what happened to him? I found him recently. He runs safari tours in Florida. He'd gone by the time we were relegated in 1988. Bloody hell. Didn’t think he’d be still alive! |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 19, 2024 14:48:35 GMT 1
I found him recently. He runs safari tours in Florida. He'd gone by the time we were relegated in 1988. Bloody hell. Didn’t think he’d be still alive! He was quite young when he was Town chairman. He's mid 70s now. Unsurprisingly, he hasn't responded to me  |
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Post by 2ellandback on Apr 19, 2024 15:07:45 GMT 1
I found him recently. He runs safari tours in Florida. He'd gone by the time we were relegated in 1988. Bloody hell. Didn’t think he’d be still alive! Wasn’t he the one who appointed Malcolm Macdonald? |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 19, 2024 15:09:43 GMT 1
Bloody hell. Didn’t think he’d be still alive! Wasn’t he the one who appointed Malcolm Macdonald? Yes. |
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