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Post by dbterrier32 on Oct 2, 2024 11:04:30 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. I don’t see why he has to rush to replace Cartwright. Strip things back. Get rid of Cartwright and Beswick’s. Duff and Paterson can go. They can take Cartwright’s mate Russell with them. Let Johnny Worthington have a go with the players for a while. He got a reaction from them last time. Kevin Nagle can take his time to consider whether a third division team needs to replicate the management structure of Manchester City. We absolutely do need to replace him sooner rather than later imo. We need to strengthen in January, so you will need the new man to have an input on that. However, for argument sake, worst case scenario we stay down this season. There is going to be an overhaul for next season as I believe a lot of players are at the end of their contracts. Or even let’s say we do go up, we need to strengthen massively for the championship. I’d rather have the new bloke in the building and working towards that for as much time as possible. |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Oct 2, 2024 11:05:21 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. This might be a controversial view, but maybe KN should speak to Dean Hoyle to tap him for any suggestions of people who are more neutral. I suspect many in football have some degree of cronyism about them, but this lot feel a bit too connected… To be honest, it did cross my mind to have Hoyle in some capacity. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 2, 2024 11:40:13 GMT 1
Players wise I think it's Tom Edwards and Lasse Sorensen. Reported on here that offers went in for Danny Baath and Jay Rodriguez (both with Beswicks) in the summer also. Michael Duff and Martin Paterson both Beswicks clients as well... Breitenreiter has links with beswick too, maybe we should pick our manager from a global pool rather than the beswick catalogue This is at the heart of the issue imo. The talent pool for managers and DoF’s is relatively small yet we are concentrating our efforts on then hiring from the tiny talent pool of Beswicks. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 2, 2024 11:58:29 GMT 1
They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Technically that’s five sentences. And also five paragraphs according to my dictionary! "paragraph - a subdivision of a written composition that consists of one or more sentences, deals with one point or gives the words of one speaker, and begins on a new usually indented line" Although it feels a bit like the 5th sentence is a spurious non-paragraph! |
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Post by ram on Oct 2, 2024 12:13:51 GMT 1
What I said on the Duff thread!
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Post by Maynardblue on Oct 2, 2024 12:17:59 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here? They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Jake Edwards and Gary Mellor. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 2, 2024 12:20:14 GMT 1
They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Jake Edwards and Gary Mellor. Are there any major changes afoot Maynard or does the downward spiral just continue for the foreseeable? |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 12:46:03 GMT 1
No idea why Edwards gets off Scot free tbh, he's supposed to be running the whole FOOTBALL club.
They had Warnock and Baldwin to tell them how to run a club whilst they were still green but feels like they didn't like being told.
Neither lasted very long. Kevin needs to find some genuine quality impartial football people to advise him.
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Post by davethesprout on Oct 2, 2024 12:50:03 GMT 1
No idea why Edwards gets off Scot free tbh, he's supposed to be running the whole FOOTBALL club. They had Warnock and Baldwin to tell them how to run a club whilst they were still green but feels like they didn't like being told. Neither lasted very long. Kevin needs to find some genuine quality impartial football people to advise him. A lot of fans giving saturday`s match a miss , never known my grandson miss a game |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2024 12:53:25 GMT 1
They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Jake Edwards and Gary Mellor. So that's the CEO, DoF, head coach, no 2 and whoever Gary Mellor is that has an affiliation with Beswick Sports, the company that brokered the deal when Nagle took over? Sorensen and Edwards as players aswell? Nothing at all fishy here? 🤔 |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 2, 2024 13:43:10 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. We missed a trick not getting a few recommendations from Dave Baldwin. Should definitely be asking him now if we haven’t. His LinkedIn profile says he left us in September last year. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Oct 2, 2024 14:04:34 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. In an ideal world I’d say nobody. DOF is a pointless job. The manager should identify the players he wants in my opinion, after all he’s the one using them. |
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 2, 2024 14:15:48 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. We missed a trick not getting a few recommendations from Dave Baldwin. Should definitely be asking him now if we haven’t. His LinkedIn profile says he left us in September last year. On paper, at the time, Baldwin seemed like a good appointment. However, he oversaw a disastrous January window where he brought in players (and moved sobra on loan to Blackburn) over the head of the manager and Bromby. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 14:25:34 GMT 1
To be fair would Cartwright be blaming his scouts and scouting network for finding the players? Has he moved anyone on? is it the scouts at fault?
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Post by Dan on Oct 2, 2024 14:43:51 GMT 1
To be fair would Cartwright be blaming his scouts and scouting network for finding the players? Has he moved anyone on? is it the scouts at fault? He brought in his own Head of Recruitment, Lee Maybury |
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Post by dxterrier on Oct 2, 2024 14:47:56 GMT 1
For Cartwright and Edwards read Bert and Ernie because its one hell of a muppet show at the minute
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 2, 2024 14:52:07 GMT 1
For Cartwright and Edwards read Bert and Ernie because its one hell of a muppet show at the minute These two are not muppets though, they are very clever in terms of being able to take the absoulte piss out of an old american who has no knowledge of football. I would say fair play to them for picking the right guy to fool with . At any other club they could not have done what they have. I bet when they go home they both chuckle to themselves about how much they can get away with . |
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Post by specialun on Oct 2, 2024 15:02:16 GMT 1
Why are we blaming Cartwright for signing league one promotion winners, players of the season etc?
Which of the players we’ve signed shouldn’t we have signed - and did you say that at the time?
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Post by Sio on Oct 2, 2024 15:25:23 GMT 1
They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Jake Edwards and Gary Mellor. What is Edwards' connection to them out of interest? |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 2, 2024 15:29:10 GMT 1
We missed a trick not getting a few recommendations from Dave Baldwin. Should definitely be asking him now if we haven’t. His LinkedIn profile says he left us in September last year. On paper, at the time, Baldwin seemed like a good appointment. However, he oversaw a disastrous January window where he brought in players (and moved sobra on loan to Blackburn) over the head of the manager and Bromby. Right, didn’t realise that. Meant more to get advice on good DoF names, you’d think he’d be well connected as former head of the FA or whatever - maybe they did and Cartwright was the shit suggestion. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 15:34:24 GMT 1
Why are we blaming Cartwright for signing league one promotion winners, players of the season etc? Which of the players we’ve signed shouldn’t we have signed - and did you say that at the time? Is it as simple as signing league one players of the season and promotion winners (2 or 3 seasons ago)? If it were that easy we could all do it eh? None of us have access to a global scouting network but our DoF should have. Should also know how to balance the squad to create the right culture and also how to ensure leak fitness and minimise injuries? I wouldn't have a clue but it's not my job to know. |
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Post by Mav on Oct 2, 2024 15:45:30 GMT 1
We’ve signed some proper shite in the last 5 years.
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 2, 2024 16:03:43 GMT 1
On paper, at the time, Baldwin seemed like a good appointment. However, he oversaw a disastrous January window where he brought in players (and moved sobra on loan to Blackburn) over the head of the manager and Bromby. Right, didn’t realise that. Meant more to get advice on good DoF names, you’d think he’d be well connected as former head of the FA or whatever - maybe they did and Cartwright was the shit suggestion. Currently, I think with the strong Beswick sports links we have I am concerned that we get rid of Cartwright and the next guy we bring in isn’t best in class, instead it’s another Beswick stooge. The club needs to decide on what its strategy actually is because signing Ladapos and giving out three year contracts to players like Ward suggests we don’t have a strategy. Personally, the man I’d go for is the lad at Bolton. Hes been impressive down there. He’s also a Town fan which is a bonus. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 2, 2024 16:15:00 GMT 1
Right, didn’t realise that. Meant more to get advice on good DoF names, you’d think he’d be well connected as former head of the FA or whatever - maybe they did and Cartwright was the shit suggestion. Currently, I think with the strong Beswick sports links we have I am concerned that we get rid of Cartwright and the next guy we bring in isn’t best in class, instead it’s another Beswick stooge. The club needs to decide on what its strategy actually is because signing Ladapos and giving out three year contracts to players like Ward suggests we don’t have a strategy. Personally, the man I’d go for is the lad at Bolton. Hes been impressive down there. He’s also a Town fan which is a bonus. Oh if only.... downatthemac.proboards.com/post/3172514/thread |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Oct 2, 2024 16:25:03 GMT 1
Right, didn’t realise that. Meant more to get advice on good DoF names, you’d think he’d be well connected as former head of the FA or whatever - maybe they did and Cartwright was the shit suggestion. Currently, I think with the strong Beswick sports links we have I am concerned that we get rid of Cartwright and the next guy we bring in isn’t best in class, instead it’s another Beswick stooge. The club needs to decide on what its strategy actually is because signing Ladapos and giving out three year contracts to players like Ward suggests we don’t have a strategy. Personally, the man I’d go for is the lad at Bolton. Hes been impressive down there. He’s also a Town fan which is a bonus. Wasn't he also one of our analysts at a time, Chris Markham is it? Sure there was talk of him coming to us before Cartwright. Would seem a far better fit. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 2, 2024 16:28:32 GMT 1
Currently, I think with the strong Beswick sports links we have I am concerned that we get rid of Cartwright and the next guy we bring in isn’t best in class, instead it’s another Beswick stooge. The club needs to decide on what its strategy actually is because signing Ladapos and giving out three year contracts to players like Ward suggests we don’t have a strategy. Personally, the man I’d go for is the lad at Bolton. Hes been impressive down there. He’s also a Town fan which is a bonus. Wasn't he also one of our analysts at a time, Chris Markham is it? Sure there was talk of him coming to us before Cartwright. Would seem a far better fit. Likely to be available soon too as Bolton fans are blaming him for their start to this season. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 2, 2024 16:36:03 GMT 1
We missed a trick not getting a few recommendations from Dave Baldwin. Should definitely be asking him now if we haven’t. His LinkedIn profile says he left us in September last year. On paper, at the time, Baldwin seemed like a good appointment. However, he oversaw a disastrous January window where he brought in players (and moved sobra on loan to Blackburn) over the head of the manager and Bromby. Where have you heard that Baldwin loaned out Sorba or bought players over the head of the manager and DoF ?? |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Oct 2, 2024 17:10:09 GMT 1
We’ve signed some proper shite in the last 5 years. Some of them on contract extensions too... |
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 2, 2024 17:24:25 GMT 1
On paper, at the time, Baldwin seemed like a good appointment. However, he oversaw a disastrous January window where he brought in players (and moved sobra on loan to Blackburn) over the head of the manager and Bromby. Where have you heard that Baldwin loaned out Sorba or bought players over the head of the manager and DoF ?? I haven’t, I just guessed it slapps. |
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 2, 2024 17:30:18 GMT 1
I’ve mistakenly just read the first page of this thread from this time last year and had no idea what I was reading was relating to last year rather than this. Quite telling
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