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Post by Sio on Oct 1, 2024 22:13:25 GMT 1
I’m starting to think Nagle and co think football is like the NBA, where you get the best prospects if you are the worst team. Maybe this is their alternative approach to getting Alfie May |
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Post by Stiggy on Oct 1, 2024 22:18:37 GMT 1
I think he has to go just for the sanity of the fans, then at the very least we can hope to get some decent quality in going forward.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Oct 1, 2024 22:22:42 GMT 1
He has to go now. End of. Come on Nagle, get real man.
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Post by nickhtafc82 on Oct 1, 2024 22:23:44 GMT 1
Please Kevin, for crying out loud, get rid of him.
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Post by huddersfc on Oct 1, 2024 22:32:50 GMT 1
No way he is going anywhere, sorry to disappoint, but do you honestly think Nagle knows enough to put the blame on Cartwright. It will be all Duffs fault, or the players fault, or the tea ladys fault. If Nagle had any idea, he would have him in his office, explaining how he has wasted all that money on Ladapo on a 2 year contract, who looks so bad its as though we havnt even scouted him. How anyone that has watched him play 5 minutes or more, thinks this lad is worth signing, I am genuinely baffled. I would then have him explain about the wasted money on strikers in January, who together have scored what, 2 goals, 3 at a push, which we signed for very good money. Then he might just start to realise that maybe its not 100% Duffs fault.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 1, 2024 22:33:13 GMT 1
For all his mistakes thus far, I still fully support Nagle and wholly believe that he wants to do right by the club...
...However, if he really does have the ambition to drive this club forward that he claims to have, he absolutely has to take action now.
Cartwright simply must be removed immediately, and this highly questionable association with Beswick sports is a Cancer in this club, and must be ended.
Cartwright has proved beyond all reasonable doubt, both here and at Stoke, that he is utterly unqualified to operate at this level, and nearly every decision made by him has, at best, been a total misjudgement, and at worst, a nefarious decision taken solely to benefit his connection to Beswick sports.
Major, ruthless decisions must be made in order to stop this slide.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 1, 2024 22:36:36 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here?
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Post by Sio on Oct 1, 2024 23:24:58 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here? They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) |
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Post by Dan on Oct 1, 2024 23:30:08 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here? Top half of the page below outlines a bit of it... downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/119460/carmichael-dave?page=47and There isn't. But I've always been wary of Cartwright and thought it was a strange, convenient appointment given one of his best mates and former employer Gary Mellor's company was advising over the takeover... Beswicks are still consultants to Huddersfield Town on how to run the football club, which at present they’re doing a cracking job of. |
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Post by DuffMan on Oct 1, 2024 23:42:39 GMT 1
this shyster absolutely needs to leave the club if Kev is gonna try get the fans back onside. we've been an absolute car crash for a while now but big Kev has thus far consistently got every major decision wrong and something needs to change
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Post by eric on Oct 1, 2024 23:56:00 GMT 1
Always a bad sign for any institution when the shysters and parasites are lining up to bleed the club dry. Sadly, it's been going at the club for a while now.
Whether it be former managers who liked a backhander, players looking for an easy life and an easier pay cheque, or executives who make timeshare salesmen look reputable, our club has been largely gutted by these people.
Time for a rethink, Kevin Nagle.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Oct 1, 2024 23:56:41 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here? They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Think I'm right in saying that many of the players signed during Cartwright's tenure also happen to be clients of Beswick Sports. |
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 2, 2024 0:00:04 GMT 1
Cartwright can be judged by the number of clubs who've absolutely shafted us during his tenure; which is basically all of the clubs we've paid a fee to for players:
Groningen
Whichever Finnish club Radulovic was playing for
Watford
Bristol Rovers
Lincoln City
Rotherham United.
That's pretty impressive going in just over a year in charge. If you were Nagle and this bloke was spending your money, would you either be giving him anymore to spend or fucking him off? In terms of Balker, Evans and Sorensen I'm maybe being slightly harsh; but there were weaknesses and vulnerabilities there that a competent person would have spotted a mile off before spunking a load of cash.
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Post by Dan on Oct 2, 2024 0:06:09 GMT 1
They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Think I'm right in saying that many of the players signed during Cartwright's tenure also happen to be clients of Beswick Sports. Players wise I think it's Tom Edwards and Lasse Sorensen. Reported on here that offers went in for Danny Baath and Jay Rodriguez (both with Beswicks) in the summer also. Michael Duff and Martin Paterson both Beswicks clients as well... |
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Post by eric on Oct 2, 2024 0:06:42 GMT 1
Cartwright can be judged by the number of clubs who've absolutely shafted us during his tenure; which is basically all of the clubs we've paid a fee to for players: Groningen Whichever Finnish club Radulovic was playing for Watford Bristol Rovers Lincoln City Rotherham United. That's pretty impressive going in just over a year in charge. If you were Nagle and this bloke was spending your money, would you either be giving him anymore to spend or fucking him off? In terms of Balker, Evans and Sorensen I'm maybe being slightly harsh; but there were weaknesses and vulnerabilities there that a competent person would have spotted a mile off before spunking a load of cash. It's a shambles. We spent around £2 Million on Healey. Considering his age and injury record, that is terrible business. |
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Post by jp on Oct 2, 2024 4:23:53 GMT 1
If you’re even thinking of re-interviewing someone then imho it means you need to sack them as they’re not the right person.
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Post by SacTown on Oct 2, 2024 6:22:35 GMT 1
No way he is going anywhere, sorry to disappoint, but do you honestly think Nagle knows enough to put the blame on Cartwright. It will be all Duffs fault, or the players fault, or the tea ladys fault. If Nagle had any idea, he would have him in his office, explaining how he has wasted all that money on Ladapo on a 2 year contract, who looks so bad its as though we havnt even scouted him. How anyone that has watched him play 5 minutes or more, thinks this lad is worth signing, I am genuinely baffled. I would then have him explain about the wasted money on strikers in January, who together have scored what, 2 goals, 3 at a push, which we signed for very good money. Then he might just start to realise that maybe its not 100% Duffs fault. Agreed, there’s no way Edwards sacks his mate. Then Edwards is admitting failure. It just won’t happen at this stage of the season. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 2, 2024 6:43:49 GMT 1
There won't be a 3rd interview.
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Post by ldr on Oct 2, 2024 7:34:23 GMT 1
It appears to me as if Nagle is getting eaten alive by English football. He is probably used to this remote level of control in his businesses and that requires massive amounts of trust in the people you employ on the ground.
It’s resulted in this management structure that is seemingly strangling our club with a power base that is skewed towards protecting individuals interests over and above the interests of what is happening on the football pitch.
We need to get real and move away from these ideas of grandeur. We are a middling league 1 club and trying to emulate the structures of PL clubs is a joke. It’s like Patels Newsagents trying to copy the processes of Tesco.
We can still be ambitious with a stripped down management structure that is all about the playing side of things. Everything else in football is a side issue to success on the pitch.
What is certain is that the likes of Cartwright, Edwards, Beswicks will close ranks now that the shit is flying. As in every other business, senior leadership have real skills in deflecting and protecting their own positions.
Nagle should get people in who love our our club more than themselves and their own progression. Easier said than done but ‘ldr Management Consultants Limited’ are available to sort this nonsense out at a moments notice. 😂
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Post by Tinpot on Oct 2, 2024 7:41:42 GMT 1
Summer '23: The blame for this is being put on Cartwright, but Colin was already in the building and calling the shots as regards transfers.
January '24: January is a tough time to do business.
We were badly run before Cartwright got here. The appointments of Schofield and Buzz (for example) were before he was in the building.
So I don't think ditching Cartwright is the magic bullet that solves all our problems. But for all that I think there's more than just him gone wrong here, it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify him remaining at the club.
What's the excuse for last summer?
What's the excuse for the shite scouting, both of managers and of players?
Where's the coherent strategy?
I fear that we'll be going into the January transfer window reeking of desperation again, to try and paper over the cracks. And I fear that like last season it won't work and we'll be left with even more expensive misfits clogging up the wage bill.
There needs to be a root and branch audit of what is rotten at this club. We need to find that problem and eradicate it.
I'm increasingly convinced that whilst Mark Cartwright is a major part of the problem, he's not the only one.
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Post by bigtruck on Oct 2, 2024 7:44:40 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how right now, sacking Cartwright helps us in anyway?
How are performances against Rotherham, Doncaster, Northampton, Blackpool and Birmingham, down that much to Cartwright that he gets sacked?
How is sticking to the same exposed formation, picking Ben Wiles, playing out from the back constantly despite being shit at it, expecting Hogg to play as a QB when everyone knows that’s not his game, not having a plan b and somehow having us less fit than ever, and having an inability to not pass the ball to a teammate, Cartwright’s fault?
Are peoples reasons just that we didn’t spend £20m in summer? Or we didn’t spunk a ridiculous amount of money on Alfie May??? Do you just want someone else to come in and try buy our way out of trouble in January.
Do t get me wrong I’m not happy at all with some of his decisions and the Beswick Sports thing may be a concern but sacking him now does absolutely nothing for us.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 2, 2024 7:49:34 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how right now, sacking Cartwright helps us in anyway? How are performances against Rotherham, Doncaster, Northampton, Blackpool and Birmingham, down that much to Cartwright that he gets sacked? How is sticking to the same exposed formation, picking Ben Wiles, playing out from the back constantly despite being shit at it, expecting Hogg to play as a QB when everyone knows that’s not his game, not having a plan b and somehow having us less fit than ever, and having an inability to not pass the ball to a teammate, Cartwright’s fault? Are peoples reasons just that we didn’t spend £20m in summer? Or we didn’t spunk a ridiculous amount of money on Alfie May??? Do you just want someone else to come in and try buy our way out of trouble in January. Do t get me wrong I’m not happy at all with some of his decisions and the Beswick Sports thing may be a concern but sacking him now does absolutely nothing for us. He is currently planning and orchestrating the January transfer window. That cannot be allowed to happen. Should this run continue then Duff will need to go. Cartwright would be picking the replacement. That’s why he needs to go now. The earlier we can get a new guy in then the better prepared we will be in January. |
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Post by stinkypete on Oct 2, 2024 7:58:11 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how right now, sacking Cartwright helps us in anyway? How are performances against Rotherham, Doncaster, Northampton, Blackpool and Birmingham, down that much to Cartwright that he gets sacked? How is sticking to the same exposed formation, picking Ben Wiles, playing out from the back constantly despite being shit at it, expecting Hogg to play as a QB when everyone knows that’s not his game, not having a plan b and somehow having us less fit than ever, and having an inability to not pass the ball to a teammate, Cartwright’s fault? Are peoples reasons just that we didn’t spend £20m in summer? Or we didn’t spunk a ridiculous amount of money on Alfie May??? Do you just want someone else to come in and try buy our way out of trouble in January. Do t get me wrong I’m not happy at all with some of his decisions and the Beswick Sports thing may be a concern but sacking him now does absolutely nothing for us. I agree with a lot of this. Duff has totally lost me , the football is dour and on a par with Moore (if not worse as we’re in a lower division). Not sure how sacking Cartwright instantly changes our fortunes on the pitch, however, I do feel a change is needed. I’d get rid of both of them. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 2, 2024 7:59:14 GMT 1
The Beswick sports thing is a bit of a concern and does have a direct impact on things on the pitch.
If you’re a DoF with so much influence, a boss who’s thousands of miles away, and you think Beswick sports are the dream ticket, it means your scouting system is flawed.
If this is all part of it, it means we’ve become an old boys club. If the influence and ‘stench’ of BS is also infiltrating the team, then maybe that’s why a few of them look off and a bit pissed off.
Didn’t Cartwright take over the Mgrs office at Canalside when we were in between Mgrs? That sort of behaviour in itself is the trait of an absolute wanker of a person.
We’re in a phase of seagull management, which I’ve experienced 2-3 times over the last few yrs. They come in, shit all over everything & then disappear. Generally with a bit of money in their arse pocket as you’re kicking them out.
Whoever said KN needs to spend some real time here is correct. You have to observe things first hand over a period of time. Being here 2-3 weeks allows the shysters to put on a show. KN also needs to seek out some trusted advisors who are significantly removed from links with Beswick sports.
This is HTFC not MCFC…
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Post by dbterrier32 on Oct 2, 2024 8:26:14 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with?
I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 2, 2024 8:38:33 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. This might be a controversial view, but maybe KN should speak to Dean Hoyle to tap him for any suggestions of people who are more neutral. I suspect many in football have some degree of cronyism about them, but this lot feel a bit too connected… |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Oct 2, 2024 8:52:40 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. This might be a controversial view, but maybe KN should speak to Dean Hoyle to tap him for any suggestions of people who are more neutral. I suspect many in football have some degree of cronyism about them, but this lot feel a bit too connected… Hoyle's response will be I gave you Warnock on a platter and you messed it up, its your problem now. |
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Post by iangreaves on Oct 2, 2024 8:52:43 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. I don’t see why he has to rush to replace Cartwright. Strip things back. Get rid of Cartwright and Beswick’s. Duff and Paterson can go. They can take Cartwright’s mate Russell with them. Let Johnny Worthington have a go with the players for a while. He got a reaction from them last time. Kevin Nagle can take his time to consider whether a third division team needs to replicate the management structure of Manchester City. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 8:54:23 GMT 1
Can someone, in a paragraph, explain the Beswick Sports affiliation here? They brokered Kevin's purchase. Cartwright used to be an agent for them. Duff is managed by them. Rumoured that they continue to act in an advisory role. Those are the known connections. (sorry that's five paragraphs) Technically that’s five sentences. |
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Post by DuffMan on Oct 2, 2024 10:21:13 GMT 1
Think I'm right in saying that many of the players signed during Cartwright's tenure also happen to be clients of Beswick Sports. Players wise I think it's Tom Edwards and Lasse Sorensen. Reported on here that offers went in for Danny Baath and Jay Rodriguez (both with Beswicks) in the summer also. Michael Duff and Martin Paterson both Beswicks clients as well... Breitenreiter has links with beswick too, maybe we should pick our manager from a global pool rather than the beswick catalogue |
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