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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 2, 2024 20:00:34 GMT 1
Where have you heard that Baldwin loaned out Sorba or bought players over the head of the manager and DoF ?? I haven’t, I just guessed it slapps. Well, thats an interesting guess, even if it seems a bit implausible. |
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Post by ben1987 on Oct 2, 2024 20:32:53 GMT 1
I haven’t, I just guessed it slapps. Well, thats an interesting guess, even if it seems a bit implausible. If only |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2024 8:15:15 GMT 1
Well unless you know otherwise it is implausible... at least it should be.
Theres no way the acting CEO should be making player squad decisions over the heads of the director of football and the team manager.
The only scenario I can see that ever happening is if the players behaviour has annoyed the actual owner so much he just wants him out of his club, whatever anyone else thinks.
I could see that being the case with Sorba Thomas ( and probably why hes currently out on loan again now ), though if that was the case, id be surprised if the loan to Blackburn wasnt also supported by the DoF and manager.
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Post by SacTown on Oct 3, 2024 8:26:37 GMT 1
Well unless you know otherwise it is implausible... at least it should be. Theres no way the acting CEO should be making player squad decisions over the heads of the director of football and the team manager. The only scenario I can see that ever happening is if the players behaviour has annoyed the actual owner so much he just wants him out of his club, whatever anyone else thinks. I could see that being the case with Sorba Thomas ( and probably why hes currently out on loan again now ), though if that was the case, id be surprised if the loan to Blackburn wasnt also supported by the DoF and manager. The truth is more of a reverse on the last sentence. Baldwin ultimately facilitated the move, prompted by the dissatisfaction of MF/LB with the player. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2024 9:22:18 GMT 1
Yeah thats what I was saying in the last sentence... that the manager and DoF supported him being loaned out ( and probably suggested it )
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 3, 2024 14:22:10 GMT 1
Well unless you know otherwise it is implausible... at least it should be. Theres no way the acting CEO should be making player squad decisions over the heads of the director of football and the team manager. The only scenario I can see that ever happening is if the players behaviour has annoyed the actual owner so much he just wants him out of his club, whatever anyone else thinks. I could see that being the case with Sorba Thomas ( and probably why hes currently out on loan again now ), though if that was the case, id be surprised if the loan to Blackburn wasnt also supported by the DoF and manager. Ben is pretty much on the money with his "guess" As evidenced by the below link to the Knockaert signing. At 4:44 Knockaert meets Leigh Bromby. Bromby say "hi nice to meet you, I'm Leigh" Pretty clear from that that our Dof had never met or spoken to Anthony Knockeart before that moment. So if our Dof had never spoken to him or met him, who was it that met with him and his agent and signed him........ I very much doubt it was Fotheringham, so I'd be suggesting Baldwin. We also signed that full back from Burnely, who's name I've forgotten.....Baldwin's old club. And it was Dean Hoyle that brought Warnock back at the end of the season. Bromby seemed to be very much side-lined once Baldwin and them Warnock came in from what I heard. |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 3, 2024 14:29:38 GMT 1
The issue of Cartwright is an interesting one.
Everyone seems to be laying the blame for our recruitment at Cartwrights door and saying we should get rid of him.
The issue here is that recruitment isn't just Cartwright. We also have a Head of Recruitment, Assistant Head of Recruitment, Chief Scout etc.
So if we replace Cartwright, we're still left with the current incumbents in those rolls.
So does it need a complete review of the entire recruitment team at the club. From Sporting Director - Recruitment - Scouts - Analysts etc
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Post by harri54 on Oct 3, 2024 14:34:50 GMT 1
Can someone explain to me how right now, sacking Cartwright helps us in anyway? How are performances against Rotherham, Doncaster, Northampton, Blackpool and Birmingham, down that much to Cartwright that he gets sacked? How is sticking to the same exposed formation, picking Ben Wiles, playing out from the back constantly despite being shit at it, expecting Hogg to play as a QB when everyone knows that’s not his game, not having a plan b and somehow having us less fit than ever, and having an inability to not pass the ball to a teammate, Cartwright’s fault? Are peoples reasons just that we didn’t spend £20m in summer? Or we didn’t spunk a ridiculous amount of money on Alfie May??? Do you just want someone else to come in and try buy our way out of trouble in January. Do t get me wrong I’m not happy at all with some of his decisions and the Beswick Sports thing may be a concern but sacking him now does absolutely nothing for us. He is currently planning and orchestrating the January transfer window. That cannot be allowed to happen. Should this run continue then Duff will need to go. Cartwright would be picking the replacement. That’s why he needs to go now. The earlier we can get a new guy in then the better prepared we will be in January. life is so easy when carping from the sidelines with no responsibility! Sack, sack, sack! |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 3, 2024 14:36:39 GMT 1
Breitenreiter has links with beswick too, maybe we should pick our manager from a global pool rather than the beswick catalogue This is at the heart of the issue imo. The talent pool for managers and DoF’s is relatively small yet we are concentrating our efforts on then hiring from the tiny talent pool of Beswicks. That DATM fact again. Once rumored, repeated, undeniable! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2024 14:39:30 GMT 1
Well unless you know otherwise it is implausible... at least it should be. Theres no way the acting CEO should be making player squad decisions over the heads of the director of football and the team manager. The only scenario I can see that ever happening is if the players behaviour has annoyed the actual owner so much he just wants him out of his club, whatever anyone else thinks. I could see that being the case with Sorba Thomas ( and probably why hes currently out on loan again now ), though if that was the case, id be surprised if the loan to Blackburn wasnt also supported by the DoF and manager. Ben is pretty much on the money with his "guess" As evidenced by the below link to the Knockaert signing. At 4:44 Knockaert meets Leigh Bromby. Bromby say "hi nice to meet you, I'm Leigh" Pretty clear from that that our Dof had never met or spoken to Anthony Knockeart before that moment.So if our Dof had never spoken to him or met him, who was it that met with him and his agent and signed him........ I very much doubt it was Fotheringham, so I'd be suggesting Baldwin. We also signed that full back from Burnely, who's name I've forgotten.....Baldwin's old club. And it was Dean Hoyle that brought Warnock back at the end of the season. Bromby seemed to be very much side-lined once Baldwin and them Warnock came in from what I heard. It really isnt at all. Maybe havent previously met but why would they even need to? A short term signing of a player they already knew very well. Doesnt mean Bromby hadnt been involved in conversations on the phone up to that point with both player and agent....hed still have to introduce himself when they met in person! In the case of warnock , it was Hoyle. Warnock himself said as much didnt he? |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Oct 3, 2024 14:42:31 GMT 1
He is currently planning and orchestrating the January transfer window. That cannot be allowed to happen. Should this run continue then Duff will need to go. Cartwright would be picking the replacement. That’s why he needs to go now. The earlier we can get a new guy in then the better prepared we will be in January. life is so easy when carping from the sidelines with no responsibility! Sack, sack, sack! Are you okay? |
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 3, 2024 15:13:26 GMT 1
Ben is pretty much on the money with his "guess" As evidenced by the below link to the Knockaert signing. At 4:44 Knockaert meets Leigh Bromby. Bromby say "hi nice to meet you, I'm Leigh" Pretty clear from that that our Dof had never met or spoken to Anthony Knockeart before that moment.So if our Dof had never spoken to him or met him, who was it that met with him and his agent and signed him........ I very much doubt it was Fotheringham, so I'd be suggesting Baldwin. We also signed that full back from Burnely, who's name I've forgotten.....Baldwin's old club. And it was Dean Hoyle that brought Warnock back at the end of the season. Bromby seemed to be very much side-lined once Baldwin and them Warnock came in from what I heard. It really isnt at all. Maybe havent previously met but why would they even need to? A short term signing of a player they already knew very well. Doesnt mean Bromby hadnt been involved in conversations on the phone up to that point with both player and agent....hed still have to introduce himself when they met in person! In the case of warnock , it was Hoyle. Warnock himself said as much didnt he? Ok |
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Post by ldr on Oct 3, 2024 15:22:30 GMT 1
This is at the heart of the issue imo. The talent pool for managers and DoF’s is relatively small yet we are concentrating our efforts on then hiring from the tiny talent pool of Beswicks. That DATM fact again. Once rumored, repeated, undeniable! What exactly do you know to take such a condescending tone? |
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Post by ldr on Oct 3, 2024 15:23:49 GMT 1
life is so easy when carping from the sidelines with no responsibility! Sack, sack, sack! Are you okay? It’s not just me he’s having a pop at then? 😂 |
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Post by Scott Chegg on Oct 3, 2024 15:28:10 GMT 1
It’s not just me he’s having a pop at then? 😂 Comes across as a bit of a strange chap. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 3, 2024 15:38:20 GMT 1
life is so easy when carping from the sidelines with no responsibility! Sack, sack, sack! Are you okay? One of few! |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 3, 2024 15:41:57 GMT 1
That DATM fact again. Once rumored, repeated, undeniable! What exactly do you know to take such a condescending tone? It's being a normal thinking person, as opposed to knee-jerk, entitled following of the masses. On the specific point, can you not see the repeating pattern? |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 3, 2024 16:02:54 GMT 1
What exactly do you know to take such a condescending tone? It's being a normal thinking person, as opposed to knee-jerk, entitled following of the masses. On the specific point, can you not see the repeating pattern? There’s definitely a repeating pattern and it’s chronic underinvestment in the squad and what money is invested is consistently spent poorly. |
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Oct 3, 2024 16:04:55 GMT 1
When Town fans could use the Canalside, every home game me and a mate of mine use to speak to one of the Town Scouts. Time and time again he talked about young players we had signed or giving a contract to and has far as i am aware not one of those lads made it in to the first team squad. He definitely went to watch other players we were interested in at their clubs, but he also talked about the use of video more and more. The promotion season he mentioned that there was fewer scouts than ever and that when he started being a scout we had 20 scouts had even had them in Ireland but then he told me we either had 2 or 4 scouts left. That was the promotion season under Wagner and then when fans could no longer use the canalside, i have never seen him since.
Do we use scouts at all now, my answer to that would be probably not!!
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Post by ldr on Oct 3, 2024 16:06:28 GMT 1
What exactly do you know to take such a condescending tone? It's being a normal thinking person, as opposed to knee-jerk, entitled following of the masses. On the specific point, can you not see the repeating pattern? Steve? Is that you? 😂 |
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Post by soapystevens on Oct 3, 2024 16:11:20 GMT 1
When Town fans could use the Canalside, every home game me and a mate of mine use to speak to one of the Town Scouts. Time and time again he talked about young players we had signed or giving a contract to and has far as i am aware not one of those lads made it in to the first team squad. He definitely went to watch other players we were interested in at their clubs, but he also talked about the use of video more and more. The promotion season he mentioned that there was fewer scouts than ever and that when he started being a scout we had 20 scouts had even had them in Ireland but then he told me we either had 2 or 4 scouts left. That was the promotion season under Wagner and then when fans could no longer use the canalside, i have never seen him since. Do we use scouts at all now, my answer to that would be probably not!! We can't have had Scouts going to watch those two from Monaco, so they must have watched players on YouTube or video. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2024 16:13:13 GMT 1
It's being a normal thinking person, as opposed to knee-jerk, entitled following of the masses. On the specific point, can you not see the repeating pattern? There’s definitely a repeating pattern and it’s chronic underinvestment in the squad and what money is invested is consistently spent poorly. Don't think anyone would argue with the second part of that. The first part though....I doubt there were many, if any, who spent more than we did in the championship last January window...and other than Birmingham we probably spent more than anyone in League 1 in the last summer window. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 3, 2024 16:19:21 GMT 1
There’s definitely a repeating pattern and it’s chronic underinvestment in the squad and what money is invested is consistently spent poorly. Don't think anyone would argue with the second part of that. The first part though....I doubt there were many, if any, who spent more than we did in the championship last January window...and other than Birmingham we probably spent more than anyone in League 1 in the last summer window. Over the last 3-4 years though we haven’t spent the money on the squad that was required. Let’s not forget that this summer we brought 5m in for 1 player as well. Not sure many other teams in L1 managed that. |
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Post by soapystevens on Oct 3, 2024 16:27:35 GMT 1
Under Lee Clark, we had some good sides but just not good enough on a couple of occasion's. We had some big name players in League 1, Vaughan, Gudjohnson, Cadamartri, looking back it just shows how tough league one was and still is.
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Post by mosher on Oct 3, 2024 16:28:12 GMT 1
Don't think anyone would argue with the second part of that. The first part though....I doubt there were many, if any, who spent more than we did in the championship last January window...and other than Birmingham we probably spent more than anyone in League 1 in the last summer window. Over the last 3-4 years though we haven’t spent the money on the squad that was required. Let’s not forget that this summer we brought 5m in for 1 player as well. Not sure many other teams in L1 managed that. Which was more than swallowed by the drop in income, while KN didn’t lay off a single employee, which rarely happens when a club gets relegated Edit: agree about the lack of investment previous to these past two windows |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 3, 2024 16:56:00 GMT 1
It's being a normal thinking person, as opposed to knee-jerk, entitled following of the masses. On the specific point, can you not see the repeating pattern? Steve? Is that you? 😂 Reading back through his previous posts I'm starting to get the feeling he is someone closely associated with the club. Certainly doesn't write like a passionate supporter, more like an employee... |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 3, 2024 17:38:03 GMT 1
Ben is pretty much on the money with his "guess" As evidenced by the below link to the Knockaert signing. At 4:44 Knockaert meets Leigh Bromby. Bromby say "hi nice to meet you, I'm Leigh" Pretty clear from that that our Dof had never met or spoken to Anthony Knockeart before that moment.So if our Dof had never spoken to him or met him, who was it that met with him and his agent and signed him........ I very much doubt it was Fotheringham, so I'd be suggesting Baldwin. We also signed that full back from Burnely, who's name I've forgotten.....Baldwin's old club. And it was Dean Hoyle that brought Warnock back at the end of the season. Bromby seemed to be very much side-lined once Baldwin and them Warnock came in from what I heard. It really isnt at all. Maybe havent previously met but why would they even need to? A short term signing of a player they already knew very well. Doesnt mean Bromby hadnt been involved in conversations on the phone up to that point with both player and agent....hed still have to introduce himself when they met in person! In the case of warnock , it was Hoyle. Warnock himself said as much didnt he? 100%. I have had 10's of meetings with people including with video, if then meeting in person we'd always introduce ourselves by name. Its what normal people do 🤷♂️ |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Oct 3, 2024 18:00:02 GMT 1
Under Lee Clark, we had some good sides but just not good enough on a couple of occasion's. We had some big name players in League 1, Vaughan, Gudjohnson, Cadamartri, looking back it just shows how tough league one was and still is. Big name players, or actually players who were of the ability to actually play the level above. We had Smithies, Peltier, Martin Kelly, Danny Drinkwater, Pilkington, Roberts, Benik Adobe, Jordan Rhodes to name a few. IMO all above league one level at that time. That was a right squad! A squad that looking back now, gave me and so many others confidence that would a) for most part turn up. b) entertain us and c) blow away the opposition for most part. |
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Post by ldr on Oct 3, 2024 18:20:25 GMT 1
Reading back through his previous posts I'm starting to get the feeling he is someone closely associated with the club. Certainly doesn't write like a passionate supporter, more like an employee... Someone who has issues with idle speculation? I don’t know what they are doing on here! 😂 |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 3, 2024 18:39:51 GMT 1
If KN does sack Cartwright, who do you replace him with? I want Cartwright gone, but who does KN listen to, to get advice on replacing him. Not sure Edwards will have the contacts (on a side point, I don’t have an issue with Edwards being here. He is more the business side). I think KN needs to employ some kind of UK advisor who has experience in running a UK club. This might be a controversial view, but maybe KN should speak to Dean Hoyle to tap him for any suggestions of people who are more neutral. I suspect many in football have some degree of cronyism about them, but this lot feel a bit too connected… I am not too sure about the quality of Dean's input would be. He did well getting us to the Premier League, but since our relegation from there he set us up for the failure KN has expanded on. |
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