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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 21:07:51 GMT 1
You’re right we don’t often agree, however on this you are incorrect, nothing to do with the tweet, the decision to move for someone else had been made before twittergate.Sorry. is it just a simple matter of Warnock being an old fashioned manager, wanting complete control. Cartwright feeling he wasn't really been used or that his role was been underminded by Warnock. Moore being a new style coach as it were, wont mind as much a sporting director signing players for him and then he just coaches ? Just trying to discover more about Cartwright temperament / ego etc.Although I believe there were some confrontations.Think you need to Google Warnock to get a feel for some of the rumours around him. I believe Sporting Directors and managers/ coaches usually work together to discuss prospective signings shouldn’t be a SD imposing players on coaches. As Maynard stated many weeks ago, Warnock engineers situations, some people tolerate some don’t , perhaps situations could have been handled better. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 21:09:58 GMT 1
You’re right we don’t often agree, however on this you are incorrect, nothing to do with the tweet, the decision to move for someone else had been made before twittergate.Sorry. That might be the case, but it was still an awful decision. Kev begged NW to come back and bought himself a season's grace to get to grips with Championship football. Someone within the new management team decided Moore was better than NW moving forward. LOL. The man who pays the piper picks the tune. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 21:14:26 GMT 1
Just check how many minutes that those we let go played last season. You do it for me, as far as I’m aware we just shifted accumulated squad fillers and returned loans, could add Camara, although he wanted to leave/ wouldn’t sign new contract. I thought you were both saying the same thing really, you hadn't a problem with who we released and he pointed out that they played buggerall between them anyway. With the exception of the 3 we resigned. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 21:16:41 GMT 1
That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. How to upset Slapps 😁😁😁 |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 21:25:00 GMT 1
Oh good someone has made some bad decisions at sometime then. You seem to very good at defending the owners and their men. I do want to hear how we got to this situation and how the decline continues under the new owner? Everybody makes poor decisions , and everybody can criticise the results of these decisions , regrettably this criticism is usually based on hindsight. So I’m actually defending everybody who has to make decisions and then has to suffer torrents of abuse when in some peoples opinion they got it wrong. Perhaps it’s a position you have never experienced . I have made lots of decisions, got some right and some wrong. I have never worked in football so I have never caused a relegation. The people in question get paid a good amount and should stand behind their decisions. The decline started some time ago, no point in looking at Deans dealings since his illness now he has left us. We were in danger of getting relegated last year and we could not pass to another town player last season. You did not need to be a professional football person to see this and this is why I can't see how the summer window went as it did. We went from poor to poorer from a thin squad to something like skin and bone. None of this was hindsight plenty of posters saw this disaster comming, there were who thought that because we still had Warnock all would be alright. Warnock has gone and his replacement is beginning to make Buzz look like a manager. Now even more are not just concerned but worried at what is happening to the club we have supported all our lives. January is approaching and will there be any championship read players signed? So far Nagel seems to be sitting on his money, is this a football club or an excuse to takeover some real-estate. All questions and no sign of any answers! |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 21:26:30 GMT 1
Everybody makes poor decisions , and everybody can criticise the results of these decisions , regrettably this criticism is usually based on hindsight. So I’m actually defending everybody who has to make decisions and then has to suffer torrents of abuse when in some peoples opinion they got it wrong. Perhaps it’s a position you have never experienced . I agree with what you are saying but simply regarding Warnock leaving, there is no hindsight. Anyone with eyes could see Neil was turd polishing and over achieving and with ANY other manger relegation would be a real possibility. Just to set the record straight, I understand why the change was made however do I think we should have made the change, NO, very , very few situations are irretrievable. Constraints can be put in place and attitudes softened. imo. |
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Post by bluewater on Oct 30, 2023 21:34:17 GMT 1
The rumour I have heard about Warnock leaving is that when he was speaking to the younger players and coaches ect , he wasn’t very inclusive and didn’t fit the modern woke world. 🤷🏼♂️
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 30, 2023 21:38:10 GMT 1
Hopefully KN can submit his own budget / future financial information in time for the January window and we can see some much needed investment. Here's hoping I'm clinging to this because otherwise why does Moore take the job? As much as he's currently public enemy number one and being called clueless its pretty obvious given he'd just got a big club promoted from L1, has/had a reasonable reputation and had worked in this league before that his next job was almost certainly going to be in this league. Without been a shoe in for anyone he'd have been in the frame for most bottom half vacancies in this league after the usual first round of sackings imo. He therefore surely doesn't just throw himself at the first job that comes along, a club with the lowest budget in the league and a piss poor unbalanced squad, unless there is some pay off down the line? He must have been sold some sort of vision that goes beyond what we currently have? He's wasn't a desperate no name who will do anything for their first gig ala Fotheringham so why trash your reputation with this shower unless there's some future promise? It's the only way it makes sense to me. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 30, 2023 21:41:28 GMT 1
The rumour I have heard about Warnock leaving is that when he was speaking to the younger players and coaches ect , he wasn’t very inclusive and didn’t fit the modern woke world. 🤷🏼♂️ Wrong, it's because Warnock wouldn't wear flip flops in the shower |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 21:52:44 GMT 1
That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. There could be 10 or 20 reasons.. deals with agents, a massive row with cartwright or Edwards or nagle, bullying staff, talking to other clubs. Literally anything. I don't understand why you think the reason is obvious.. not one single person including you has said what it is. You seem happy enough to smear warnock but too afraid to say what he has supposedly done.. come on spit it out so we a know. Maybe then some will give others an easier ride. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Oct 30, 2023 21:54:11 GMT 1
The rumour I have heard about Warnock leaving is that when he was speaking to the younger players and coaches ect , he wasn’t very inclusive and didn’t fit the modern woke world. 🤷🏼♂️ I heard it was because he wore too short shorts and a bollock popped out and he refused to put it back in when asked because his boxers weren't very inclusive of his meat n two veg, and his bollock didn't fit in the modern woke conceptions of public decency |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 21:55:54 GMT 1
That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. By the way I never believed for 1 minute warnock leaving so early was a part of the plan. The only issue there was was Tweetgate where warnock publicly answered Nagle back. If that's what you are referring to then I thought you were suggesting something far more serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 21:58:28 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story.There could be 10 or 20 reasons.. deals with agents, a massive row with cartwright or Edwards or nagle, bullying staff, talking to other clubs. Literally anything. I don't understand why you think the reason is obvious.. not one single person including you has said what it is. You seem happy enough to smear warnock but too afraid to say what he has supposedl done.. come on spit it out so we a know. Maybe then some will give others an easier ride. Cover story for what? If you're doing someone's dirty work, this is the time to tell what you've been given. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 21:58:53 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. By the way I never believed for 1 minute warnock leaving so early was a part of the plan. The only issue there was was Tweetgate where warnock publicly answered Nagle back. If that's what you are referring to then I thought you were suggesting something far more serious. He's already said that whatever the reason was it'd happened before tweetgate. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 22:01:55 GMT 1
By the way I never believed for 1 minute warnock leaving so early was a part of the plan. The only issue there was was Tweetgate where warnock publicly answered Nagle back. If that's what you are referring to then I thought you were suggesting something far more serious. He's already said that whatever the reason was it'd happened before tweetgate. Yes I saw that as I worked through the thread 👍 |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 22:03:08 GMT 1
By the way I never believed for 1 minute warnock leaving so early was a part of the plan. The only issue there was was Tweetgate where warnock publicly answered Nagle back. If that's what you are referring to then I thought you were suggesting something far more serious. He's already said that whatever the reason was it'd happened before tweetgate. But still not what it was... why not ? You liked his post where he told me to work it out.. do you know ? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 22:04:38 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. Another who doesn't know and cant work it out. Not so obvious is it. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 22:11:10 GMT 1
He's already said that whatever the reason was it'd happened before tweetgate. But still not what it was... why not ? You liked his post where he told me to work it out.. do you know ? No mate, not a clue. I liked the post for what it said. I hadn't realised who he'd told to work it out. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 22:13:01 GMT 1
But still not what it was... why not ? You liked his post where he told me to work it out.. do you know ? No mate, not a clue. I liked the post for what it said. I hadn't realised who he'd told to work it out. I am 💯 that it wasn't planned that's for sure. A disastrous decision. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:13:56 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. There could be 10 or 20 reasons.. deals with agents, a massive row with cartwright or Edwards or nagle, bullying staff, talking to other clubs. Literally anything. I don't understand why you think the reason is obvious.. not one single person including you has said what it is. You seem happy enough to smear warnock but too afraid to say what he has supposedl done.. come on spit it out so we a know. Maybe then some will give others an easier ride. I didn’t say the reason for Warnock leaving was obvious , what is obvious is that Warnock was here for the season , that was the plan , if he wasn’t here for the season why let him bring in his entire back room staff. All I have said is that the management team weren’t happy with issues and as a consequence Moore was brought in, the rest is just a cover story. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:22:25 GMT 1
At least Warnock not going to QPR.
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Post by Maynardblue on Oct 30, 2023 22:28:34 GMT 1
There could be 10 or 20 reasons.. deals with agents, a massive row with cartwright or Edwards or nagle, bullying staff, talking to other clubs. Literally anything. I don't understand why you think the reason is obvious.. not one single person including you has said what it is. You seem happy enough to smear warnock but too afraid to say what he has supposedl done.. come on spit it out so we a know. Maybe then some will give others an easier ride. I didn’t say the reason for Warnock leaving was obvious , what is obvious is that Warnock was here for the season , that was the plan , if he wasn’t here for the season why let him bring in his entire back room staff. All I have said is that the management team weren’t happy with issues and as a consequence Moore was brought in, the rest is just a cover story. The club must think the fans are stupid claiming replacing Warnock in week 8 of his 'one more year' was part of some grand plan once the mercurial Moore became available. I Know they can't say publicly why they felt they had to get rid but they massively underestimated what a great job he was doing and how he was basically the glue holding the club together. Even if he was pumping Nagles' missus they should have turned the other cheek and kept him on. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:28:50 GMT 1
At least Warnock not going to QPR.
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:30:54 GMT 1
I didn’t say the reason for Warnock leaving was obvious , what is obvious is that Warnock was here for the season , that was the plan , if he wasn’t here for the season why let him bring in his entire back room staff. All I have said is that the management team weren’t happy with issues and as a consequence Moore was brought in, the rest is just a cover story. The club must think the fans are stupid claiming replacing Warnock in week 8 of his 'one more year' was part of some grand plan once the mercurial Moore became available. I Know they can't say publicly why they felt they had to get rid but they massively underestimated what a great job he was doing and how he was basically the glue holding the club together. Even if he was pumping Nagles' missus they should have turned the other cheek and kept him on. Why change the habits of a lifetime. |
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Post by richhtfc on Oct 30, 2023 22:37:19 GMT 1
I didn’t say the reason for Warnock leaving was obvious , what is obvious is that Warnock was here for the season , that was the plan , if he wasn’t here for the season why let him bring in his entire back room staff. All I have said is that the management team weren’t happy with issues and as a consequence Moore was brought in, the rest is just a cover story. The club must think the fans are stupid claiming replacing Warnock in week 8 of his 'one more year' was part of some grand plan once the mercurial Moore became available. I Know they can't say publicly why they felt they had to get rid but they massively underestimated what a great job he was doing and how he was basically the glue holding the club together. Even if he was pumping Nagles' missus they should have turned the other cheek and kept him on. I agree, and all I can think is the timing has really fucked the club over. New owners, just in the building, have come up against an issue with our key employee and decided they had to put a marker down and show they’re in control. Whatever it was it’s clearly something significant enough that NW has had to toe the official line. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:44:38 GMT 1
I didn’t say the reason for Warnock leaving was obvious , what is obvious is that Warnock was here for the season , that was the plan , if he wasn’t here for the season why let him bring in his entire back room staff. All I have said is that the management team weren’t happy with issues and as a consequence Moore was brought in, the rest is just a cover story. The club must think the fans are stupid claiming replacing Warnock in week 8 of his 'one more year' was part of some grand plan once the mercurial Moore became available. I Know they can't say publicly why they felt they had to get rid but they massively underestimated what a great job he was doing and how he was basically the glue holding the club together. Even if he was pumping Nagles' missus they should have turned the other cheek and kept him on. I don’t think they underestimated what a great job he was doing, unfortunately when you have trust issues at such a senior level you have to act. Like the tongue in cheek (literally) , shame it was more than that. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 22:45:36 GMT 1
At least Warnock not going to QPR. Yet. Who knows if this bloke's any good 😉 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:47:54 GMT 1
At least Warnock not going to QPR. Yet. Who knows if this bloke's any good 😉 Well at least the new man’s got a fancy name. Twice bitten at QPR, surely won’t fall for it a third time. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 30, 2023 22:48:42 GMT 1
The club must think the fans are stupid claiming replacing Warnock in week 8 of his 'one more year' was part of some grand plan once the mercurial Moore became available. I Know they can't say publicly why they felt they had to get rid but they massively underestimated what a great job he was doing and how he was basically the glue holding the club together. Even if he was pumping Nagles' missus they should have turned the other cheek and kept him on. I don’t think they underestimated what a great job he was doing, unfortunately when you have trust issues at such a senior level you have to act. Like the tongue in cheek (literally) , shame it was more than that. Trouble is, Colin was more important and valuable to Town than Edwards and Cartwright will ever be. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 22:55:38 GMT 1
I don’t think they underestimated what a great job he was doing, unfortunately when you have trust issues at such a senior level you have to act. Like the tongue in cheek (literally) , shame it was more than that. Trouble is, Colin was more important and valuable to Town than Edwards and Cartwright will ever be. Unfortunately when Colin realises this, liberties are taken, big time.Some people never have enough.🤑 |
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