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Post by morleyterrier on Oct 30, 2023 18:36:49 GMT 1
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 30, 2023 18:39:35 GMT 1
[/quote]The owner employs someone to manage the squad but the terrible summer is down to someone else.
I can't see any point in discussing this with someone who is so desperate to find some excuse to defend the owner / management.
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Not trying to find excuses to defend the owner / management at all. Just willing to give Cartwright a little more than 3-4 months and 2/3rds of a transfer window before forming an opinion on him.
If you want to believe that Warnock had nothing to do with the sale / release / loan of any of the players that left, nothing to do with Ward and Ruffles re-signing new contracts and the signings of the 4 players we brought in and that all of that was Cartwrights work, then fine...Good chat
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 18:50:31 GMT 1
Do you know who we tried to sign and why we failed to get any major signing , Wiles excepted, I don’t and neither do you, perhaps the club would have been better employing your skill set . If the required players don’t want to come what are the club supposed to do? Just give up as this seems to be the answer that Town came up with. Maybe they should have thought about who they released if they were not up to signing players. A complete cluster F*@& Don’t think we messed up with the released or sold players, maybe Holmes on a good day. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 18:53:02 GMT 1
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Post by Ladaphosen on Oct 30, 2023 18:58:51 GMT 1
Big Rudoni fan, but neither of those two are near LOBs level or play in Toffs position... Think Rudoni is starting to prove that he has a higher ceiling than LOB personally. Kasumu has his moments but apart from the injury issues he looks a bit out of his depth I think. Maybe, I think because of his low goals/assist output LOB is underrated. Imo one of the best in the div, massive shame how it turned out at forest and now the injury he’s picked up! Not seen enough of Kasumu. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 19:29:17 GMT 1
I do think he was responsible it is his job he is the one who has the say on who goes and who stays. Why did he let so many go, I know it is all down to Warnock, if so Cartwright wants sacking for letting someone else do his job without checking on the status of the squad. He let so many players go and could not find replacements. Gave our old past it forward another contract and let the other old one go out on loan and thought that we would be OK. By your summary he arrived did nothing and none of it was down to him, what is he responsible for? He should be sacked for doing nothing. Considering he arrived almost 3 weeks into the summer transfer window I would imagine that when he arrived his remit was to work towards the January and next summer windows, whilst having input in the current window. With Warnock and the recruitment team already at the club taking the lead with this summers window. In the first 20 seconds of his fist interview he says that Warnock told him that Josh Ruffles contract needed completing and that the agent was in the office waiting to complete the deal. From the 12th minute onwards he stats talking about recruitment. at 13:45 he talks about NW working really hard and how he is involved in signings....Well worth listening to again I would suggest. I fully appreciate that the summer transfer window was shit, but I'm not sure that's totally down to Cartwright. I fully appreciate that we were stupid to get rid of Warnock and thought it was a bad move at the time, but I can appreciate why they decided to do it and go for Moore. I may not agree, but I can understand it. Of course I could be completely wrong and it may well be that all the summer transfer activity in and out may have been down to Cartwright.....But then those blaming Cartwright could equally be wrong. Guess none of us know....Unless your ITK, which I'm not You think that makes sense to employ someone to sort out the squad when as everybody but you apparently (and Cartwright) knows that we have a paper thin squad. Leave any strengthening until we are in the relegation zone in January with a manager that has no idea what to do with the players he has. I wish I could get a job like that, paid for six months and not have any responsibility. Somehow I don't think that Nagel is as daft as you seem to think he is. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 19:33:42 GMT 1
Its you're just an FYI. Here's a list of failings argue them where possible. This is just 18 months worth and il of missed plenty. 1) Losing CC after playoff final by failing to show any intended ambition in the transfer market. 2) Selling O'Brien and Toffolo and neglecting to replace them with any sort of quality. 3) Hiring Schofield 4) Giving Bromby the right to then go and hire Fotheringham. 5) Letting Fotheringham sign his mate Kamberi, another window with a lack of squad investment. 6) A rare positive hiring Neil Warnock to resuce the club from certain relegation. 7) New ownership failing to recruit appropriately in the summer, the squad was weak last season its worse now. (you seem to want to blame Warnock for this which is fine but be useful to understand why) 8) Pushing Warnock out for a bloke that Sheffield Wednesday fans wanted gone before Peterborough folded in the playoffs. 9) Getting absolutely embarrassed by our nearest rivals because of the combination of the above. CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone Kambieri, again Bromby Warnock, positive but short term . All the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. Warnock sacked himself, Moore has a good track record , supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum. So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it . Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club. You keep suggesting Warnock did something that resulted in his sacking...why don't you say what happened ? You can't be sued if it's the truth. You keep smearing Warnock so spit it out. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 30, 2023 19:34:34 GMT 1
By way of balance (and it is meant to be balance): CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos - Was this before or after he released that he wouldn't be supported in the transfer market? If not why did he leave so close to the start of the season? If you have a coach who is achieving surely logic would suggest you look to retain and support him ? On the basis he is more likely to continue to deliver and the overall position/value of the club is likely to be enhanced. Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo - Neither is a left back or a similar player to O'Brien. What about the significant lack of a striker?Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone - fair point. Was Bromby (who made some good calls the previous summer window) tied by budget in making those decisions? Were the choices expedient or part of a wider strategy? Kambieri, again Bromby - an irrelevance, panic signing as underwritten by FotheringhamWarnock, positive but short term - Agreed but turned round a seemingly hopeless positionAll the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. - A owner who stopped talking to the fans, who wasn't prepared to accept his mistakes but to be fair realised the situation and persuaded Warnock out of retirement. Had he made better calls he could have recouped much of the considerable investment he made in Town, and been considered the hero we all wanted him to be.Warnock sacked himself - a bold statement, but I can understand what is meant - could it have been avoided though? Moore has a good track record ( not being evidenced in the past 5 games in charge of Town - irrespective of circumstances his footballing choices have been baffling at best), supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum - I take no offence at being labelled a plank but would like to think I try and contribute to a reasoned debate (as I am here)So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it - that isn't the real issue, just a thin end of a very significant wedge. Most anticipated what we got. Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club _ I take the point re loans (although some may have looked at us and considered if their talent would benefit/develop from playing with our current squad). As for signings Warnock had targets that we couldn't afford. That might be the case but the budget agreed for this season was apparently very low. This is something excused by restrictions on the club, but restrictions that have never been fully explained (Steven Chicken debunked the FFP risk). There might be a very good reason but the lack of understanding breeds conjecture and people coming to their own conclusions.The real sadness is that all we are doing is arguing/debating among ourselves. Whatever the reasons we are in a bad spot and this has been some considerable time in the making. Something fundamental needs to change, but right now that doesn't seem to have been grasped by those who can actually influence the outcome. Good post and I see we are close on most points, Hoyle sold the club to PH, didn’t end well and he came back reluctantly, throwing more money with the possibility of greater returns, don’t realy see that as a reasonable decision , he wanted rid , likely loosing over £30 million in the process. The transfer process somehow became under Warnocks sphere of influence , it didn’t and hasn’t ended well. Personally I believed that the issues that arose could have been tolerated, certain people controlled and the status quo maintained obviously this didn’t happen. I didn’t say all posters on here are planks but their are a considerable number( and I do include) myself at times, knee jerk reactions , however there are people on here for whatever reason have disliked Moore from day one because we didn’t employ their choice, and this is happening more and more with every choice the club makes , let’s give it some time and support the players , but not Edwards! That's fair enough. The Hoyle situation is long past, my view won't change anything now. I was more than prepared to give DM a chance, and allow him leeway for what he has inherited. However, and this has nothing to do with circumstances, what we see on the pitch is neither encouraging, fathomable or entertaining. It's difficult to get behind a group of players who look confused and a bit lost. It's a grim overall position. What happens next is anyone's guess but I fear that holding on for January might come round too late (to make a significant difference). I too don't get everything right but I always try and see the big picture and be rounded. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 19:38:05 GMT 1
CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone Kambieri, again Bromby Warnock, positive but short term . All the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. Warnock sacked himself, Moore has a good track record , supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum. So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it . Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club. You keep suggesting Watnock did something that resulted in his sacking...why don't you say what happened ? You can't be sued if it's the truth. You keep smearing Warnock so spit it out. Is he still employed ? No. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 19:38:54 GMT 1
The owner employs someone to manage the squad but the terrible summer is down to someone else. I can't see any point in discussing this with someone who is so desperate to find some excuse to defend the owner / management. [/quote] Not trying to find excuses to defend the owner / management at all. Just willing to give Cartwright a little more than 3-4 months and 2/3rds of a transfer window before forming an opinion on him. If you want to believe that Warnock had nothing to do with the sale / release / loan of any of the players that left, nothing to do with Ward and Ruffles re-signing new contracts and the signings of the 4 players we brought in and that all of that was Cartwrights work, then fine...Good chat [/quote] I never said that Warnock had nothing to do with the sales etc. The person responsible is Cartwright, did he just sign off on what Warnock suggested if so he should be sacked. Cartwright must have signed off the people we let go and and for the poor signings and their lack of number. Cartwright took the job and the pay and and had to sign it all off. Warnock is no longer here and was managing to get something out of the squad. Cartwrights number one choice can't. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 30, 2023 19:41:41 GMT 1
By way of balance (and it is meant to be balance): CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos - Was this before or after he released that he wouldn't be supported in the transfer market? If not why did he leave so close to the start of the season? If you have a coach who is achieving surely logic would suggest you look to retain and support him ? On the basis he is more likely to continue to deliver and the overall position/value of the club is likely to be enhanced. Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo - Neither is a left back or a similar player to O'Brien. What about the significant lack of a striker?Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone - fair point. Was Bromby (who made some good calls the previous summer window) tied by budget in making those decisions? Were the choices expedient or part of a wider strategy? Kambieri, again Bromby - an irrelevance, panic signing as underwritten by FotheringhamWarnock, positive but short term - Agreed but turned round a seemingly hopeless positionAll the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. - A owner who stopped talking to the fans, who wasn't prepared to accept his mistakes but to be fair realised the situation and persuaded Warnock out of retirement. Had he made better calls he could have recouped much of the considerable investment he made in Town, and been considered the hero we all wanted him to be.Warnock sacked himself - a bold statement, but I can understand what is meant - could it have been avoided though? Moore has a good track record ( not being evidenced in the past 5 games in charge of Town - irrespective of circumstances his footballing choices have been baffling at best), supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum - I take no offence at being labelled a plank but would like to think I try and contribute to a reasoned debate (as I am here)So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it - that isn't the real issue, just a thin end of a very significant wedge. Most anticipated what we got. Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club _ I take the point re loans (although some may have looked at us and considered if their talent would benefit/develop from playing with our current squad). As for signings Warnock had targets that we couldn't afford. That might be the case but the budget agreed for this season was apparently very low. This is something excused by restrictions on the club, but restrictions that have never been fully explained (Steven Chicken debunked the FFP risk). There might be a very good reason but the lack of understanding breeds conjecture and people coming to their own conclusions.[/b] The real sadness is that all we are doing is arguing/debating among ourselves. Whatever the reasons we are in a bad spot and this has been some considerable time in the making. Something fundamental needs to change, but right now that doesn't seem to have been grasped by those who can actually influence the outcome. [/quote] The below is taken from the EFL Governance & Regulations website www.efl.com/governance/regulations/16.16 onwards Future Financial Information "By 31 March (Championship Clubs) and 30 April (League One and League Two Clubs), in each Season, each Club shall submit to The League in respect of itself (or if the Club considers it appropriate or The League so requests in respect of the Group of which it is a member) future financial information (‘Future Financial Information’) comprising: In respect of any Championship Club, projected profit and loss accounts, cash flow, balance sheets and relevant explanatory notes commencing from its accounting reference date or, if it has submitted interim accounts pursuant to Regulation 16.11, from the date to which those interim accounts were prepared and expiring on the next accounting reference date after the end of the following Season. The projected profit and loss accounts, cash flow and balance sheets shall be prepared at a maximum of quarterly intervals; Guidance Forecasts should ideally be prepared on a month by month basis. Whilst Clubs can submit quarterly forecasts, the EFL may require more detailed monthly forecast where it is unable to prepare an accurate assessment of cash requirements in any particular quarter." And there's a few other bits in there that look like they might have been applied to us for this year. 16.20, 16.21 etc So, and I'm guessing here. DH (Or maybe Baldwin as DH has stepped back from the day to day running of the club) submitted the initial budget for the 31st March. That had to be stuck to for the Q1 (April, May & June). KN took official control of the club on 22nd June. My guess is he decided to stick with the budget for Q2, due to timelines (July, August & September). So for the Transfer Window we were operating under the budgets that DH set. We are now in Q3 (October, November & December). Q4 is January, February & March. So hopefully a new budget can be submitted by KN for Q4 in time for the January Transfer window As I say, that is all me guessing and trying to interpret what's written in the EFL Governance & Regulations. Hopefully KN can submit his own budget / future financial information in time for the January window and we can see some much needed investment. Here's hoping[/quote] Thanks for the insight and assessment. It does confirm that it still isn't clear (how we got here). I personally prefer to be told the truth, but that's just me. This issue has been unclear. I guess we'll have to wait to January to make an assessment. January is however a tough window but hopefully things might be a little clearer. I think we can all agree it's a very tough watch, in every sense, right now. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 19:43:01 GMT 1
Just give up as this seems to be the answer that Town came up with. Maybe they should have thought about who they released if they were not up to signing players. A complete cluster F*@& Don’t think we messed up with the released or sold players, maybe Holmes on a good day. Just check how many minutes that those we let go played last season. |
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Post by deo1 on Oct 30, 2023 19:44:09 GMT 1
The problem. The person advising Nagle. The one that got rid of warnock. The one that signed Edwards. The one that sold 24 and signed 4. Why he is not getting all the grief. Sack him now - before he does anymore damage. Forget everything else make this your focus now. Our best info has never been wrong. CHANCER Now I may be wrong on this but I believe that Cartwright didn't want Edwards but Warnock was adamant he signed It’s the other way round Cartwright wanted Edwards and Burgzorg where as Warnock didn’t. He wanted Wiles and Maxwell though. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 30, 2023 19:47:50 GMT 1
You keep suggesting Watnock did something that resulted in his sacking...why don't you say what happened ? You can't be sued if it's the truth. You keep smearing Warnock so spit it out. Is he still employed ? No. That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 19:56:56 GMT 1
Don’t think we messed up with the released or sold players, maybe Holmes on a good day. Just check how many minutes that those we let go played last season. You do it for me, as far as I’m aware we just shifted accumulated squad fillers and returned loans, could add Camara, although he wanted to leave/ wouldn’t sign new contract. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 19:58:57 GMT 1
Its you're just an FYI. Here's a list of failings argue them where possible. This is just 18 months worth and il of missed plenty. 1) Losing CC after playoff final by failing to show any intended ambition in the transfer market. 2) Selling O'Brien and Toffolo and neglecting to replace them with any sort of quality. 3) Hiring Schofield 4) Giving Bromby the right to then go and hire Fotheringham. 5) Letting Fotheringham sign his mate Kamberi, another window with a lack of squad investment. 6) A rare positive hiring Neil Warnock to resuce the club from certain relegation. 7) New ownership failing to recruit appropriately in the summer, the squad was weak last season its worse now. (you seem to want to blame Warnock for this which is fine but be useful to understand why) 8) Pushing Warnock out for a bloke that Sheffield Wednesday fans wanted gone before Peterborough folded in the playoffs. 9) Getting absolutely embarrassed by our nearest rivals because of the combination of the above. CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone Kambieri, again Bromby Warnock, positive but short term . All the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. Warnock sacked himself, Moore has a good track record , supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum. So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it . Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club. Nothing is the managers or the owners fault or the people who were responsible for bringing in players. It must be down to us fans then, maybe not, but someone caused this shower of dung. I suppose you want to put it all down to Warnock, it would fit your lack of logic. He did not save us last season He let every player go He did not want us to sign any good players He picked DM to replace him Cartwright is is a saint |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 20:04:13 GMT 1
Is he still employed ? No. That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 20:05:44 GMT 1
CC left because he had a better offer from Olympiacos Rudoni was bought plus Kasumo Schofield, down to Bromby, same for Fotheringham , all three gone Kambieri, again Bromby Warnock, positive but short term . All the above were down to an owner , looking to sell and certainly not looking to expend any more of HIS money. Warnock sacked himself, Moore has a good track record , supporters of Weds on their forum are a daft as most on here, why should anyone listen to planks of a forum. So we got beat by a team that cost over a £100 million, get over it . Most clubs suffered with recruitment in the summer , high cost and very little value, difficult recruiting players when they don’t want to come or their clubs won’t loan to a Warnock club. Nothing is the managers or the owners fault or the people who were responsible for bringing in players. It must be down to us fans then, maybe not, but someone caused this shower of dung. I suppose you want to put it all down to Warnock, it would fit your lack of logic. He did not save us last season He let every player go He did not want us to sign any good players He picked DM to replace him Cartwright is is a saint Sorry, you’ve lost me with this. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 30, 2023 20:09:02 GMT 1
Please all stop quoting that bloody post 😂
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 20:19:42 GMT 1
Nothing is the managers or the owners fault or the people who were responsible for bringing in players. It must be down to us fans then, maybe not, but someone caused this shower of dung. I suppose you want to put it all down to Warnock, it would fit your lack of logic. He did not save us last season He let every player go He did not want us to sign any good players He picked DM to replace him Cartwright is is a saint Sorry, you’ve lost me with this. I know it wasn't difficult. You seem to be implying that we are where we are and it is not the fault of Nagel or any of the people who he employed. I managed to work out it is not the fans fault So by a process of elimination it must all be all down to the one person who is no longer with us, Warnock fault. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 20:28:42 GMT 1
Sorry, you’ve lost me with this. I know it wasn't difficult. You seem to be implying that we are where we are and it is not the fault of Nagel or any of the people who he employed. I managed to work out it is not the fans fault So by a process of elimination it must all be all down to the one person who is no longer with us, Warnock fault. If that makes you happy go for it, I personally think it’s a whole combination of people over the last 3/4 years, but you’re welcome to your process of elimination 🥸 |
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Post by nicovaesen on Oct 30, 2023 20:31:26 GMT 1
Calm down we will find out in around 28 years time why warnock resigned/got sacked when we are in the absolute shite again and warnock is revealed in February 2051 as a pickled head in a glass jar telling us uncle kev stole his idea to open a brewery selling blue and white lager from self vending machines. When all along it was Sharon’s idea.
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 30, 2023 20:37:52 GMT 1
That answers nothing, according to Nagle, Edwards and Cartwright, it was all part of the plan to replace him as soon as the right man came along You say different, so tell us your version Portugal as i genuinely don't know what you are suggesting he did. Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 30, 2023 20:40:05 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. Warnock was asked outright in the White Rose Club if it was due to Tweetgate. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 30, 2023 20:44:11 GMT 1
I know it wasn't difficult. You seem to be implying that we are where we are and it is not the fault of Nagel or any of the people who he employed. I managed to work out it is not the fans fault So by a process of elimination it must all be all down to the one person who is no longer with us, Warnock fault. If that makes you happy go for it, I personally think it’s a whole combination of people over the last 3/4 years, but you’re welcome to your process of elimination 🥸 Oh good someone has made some bad decisions at sometime then. You seem to very good at defending the owners and their men. I do want to hear how we got to this situation and how the decline continues under the new owner? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 20:52:35 GMT 1
Work it out for yourself, it was never part of the plan. ie full year contracts, Warnock brings in all new back room staff, Warnock gets Ward, Koroma and Ruffells new contracts, and then we pay everyone off after 2 months.Nobody can be that stupid to set 4 people on FULL 12 month contracts then replace them within 8 weeks because Darren Moores available. It’s a cover story. Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. You’re right we don’t often agree, however on this you are incorrect, nothing to do with the tweet, the decision to move for someone else had been made before twittergate.Sorry. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 30, 2023 20:54:45 GMT 1
Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. You’re right we don’t often agree, however on this you are incorrect, nothing to do with the tweet, the decision to move for someone else had been made before twittergate.Sorry. is it just a simple matter of Warnock being an old fashioned manager, wanting complete control. Cartwright feeling he wasn't really been used or that his role was been underminded by Warnock. Moore being a new style coach as it were, wont mind as much a sporting director signing players for him and then he just coaches ? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Oct 30, 2023 20:58:19 GMT 1
If that makes you happy go for it, I personally think it’s a whole combination of people over the last 3/4 years, but you’re welcome to your process of elimination 🥸 Oh good someone has made some bad decisions at sometime then. You seem to very good at defending the owners and their men. I do want to hear how we got to this situation and how the decline continues under the new owner? Everybody makes poor decisions , and everybody can criticise the results of these decisions , regrettably this criticism is usually based on hindsight. So I’m actually defending everybody who has to make decisions and then has to suffer torrents of abuse when in some peoples opinion they got it wrong. Perhaps it’s a position you have never experienced . |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 30, 2023 21:03:56 GMT 1
Oh good someone has made some bad decisions at sometime then. You seem to very good at defending the owners and their men. I do want to hear how we got to this situation and how the decline continues under the new owner? Everybody makes poor decisions , and everybody can criticise the results of these decisions , regrettably this criticism is usually based on hindsight. So I’m actually defending everybody who has to make decisions and then has to suffer torrents of abuse when in some peoples opinion they got it wrong. Perhaps it’s a position you have never experienced . I agree with what you are saying but simply regarding Warnock leaving, there is no hindsight. Anyone with eyes could see Neil was turd polishing and over achieving and with ANY other manger relegation would be a real possibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 21:07:16 GMT 1
Not often we agree but you are 100% right about this. I do genuinely think it was the Nagle tweet after Norwich and Warnock not getting the few signings he wanted. You’re right we don’t often agree, however on this you are incorrect, nothing to do with the tweet, the decision to move for someone else had been made before twittergate.Sorry. That might be the case, but it was still an awful decision. Kev begged NW to come back and bought himself a season's grace to get to grips with Championship football. Someone within the new management team decided Moore was better than NW moving forward. LOL. |
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