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Post by waggers on Jan 19, 2024 13:09:06 GMT 1
I posted at the end of the Summer transfer window that surely we had a contingency fund for the next one if things didn't work out as planned and saw only  . This still isn't the ideal scenario, leaving yourself massively short flirting with relegation again then spend in January. I'd have preferred the business to have been done in the summer. |
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Post by Sio on Jan 19, 2024 15:17:09 GMT 1
Cartwright has got off on the wrong foot with the Warnock sacking and Moore appointment, but if any other DoF was signing some of the players we have - who appear shrewd and exciting if nothing else - then they would be getting praise. Hopefully he's getting it right on the player front and he can start to redeem his reputation with our fanbase a bit. A bit early to be getting the cigars out to say the least. The signings look promising, that's all. I am very relieved though that Kevin is putting his money where his mouth is, impressive investment in the team. That's all we ever asked for. The fees being talked about seem ambitious but sensible at the same time. Well done Kevin Nagle. Definitely too early to make too many judgements, but it looks like a positive start at least. As I say, any other DoF makes these signings and we'd be praising the intent. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 19, 2024 23:39:00 GMT 1
A bit early to be getting the cigars out to say the least. The signings look promising, that's all. I am very relieved though that Kevin is putting his money where his mouth is, impressive investment in the team. That's all we ever asked for. The fees being talked about seem ambitious but sensible at the same time. Well done Kevin Nagle. Definitely too early to make too many judgements, but it looks like a positive start at least. As I say, any other DoF makes these signings and we'd be praising the intent. Only time will tell. To be fair that's the same for all clubs. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Mar 30, 2024 9:24:32 GMT 1
Whatever happens this year stay up or go down, this waste of space is a lead protagonist for all our problems. If you want to stop the end of this season/ next season from being toxic Kev, just get rid immediately.
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Mar 30, 2024 9:37:00 GMT 1
If I was Kev I wouldn’t be handing him anymore of my hard earned this summer, that’s for sure. How we still haven’t got someone through the door who can pass the ball in midfield is beyond me. The squad needs completely ripping up and it needs someone with a clue and some vision to do that.
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 30, 2024 10:56:08 GMT 1
If I was the owner I wouldn’t be handing anything except a P45.
I can’t believe that after appointing and retaining Moore for soooo long this guy Cartwright was A) retained and B) Allowed to make the new appointment.
We all know (except Kevin it seems) that the definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same thing but expecting different results.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 30, 2024 11:16:09 GMT 1
Mr Nagle said (paraphrasing) that he hires people,delegates to them and reviews their report card.
I'm not certain what the objectives that were set for Edwards and Cartwright were but I can’t imagine Mr Nagle won't be reviewing their report card.
The outcome of that review will tell us a lot about what to make of Mr Nagle and what he might deliver.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 30, 2024 11:45:35 GMT 1
Cartwrights answer to everything that’s gone wrong this season has been to sack (or have a hand in it) everyone : Warnock Kirkpatrick Moore Analysts Hough Bower Have the root cause of the problems we have been identified and positive changes implemented or have we just fired people to be seen doing something? It's a fair question. Not that I know enough to say why the decisions were taken but how did this fit into the overall plan? I would also observe it's not always just what you do, it's how it's done. Is there a cultural issue behind the scenes? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 30, 2024 12:07:27 GMT 1
The guy has overseen one of the worst seasons in recent history. We thought last season was bad but at this stage last season we had identical points to now but a better goal difference, we'd also just come off the back of wins against Millwall and Boro.
We've had 3 managers and each have failed to get a tune out of a threadbare, bang average squad who he was happy with at the start of the season. He blew our summer budget on Wiles who was unfit and taken well over half a season to get anything like match fit but is still a bench warmer, he thought a massively overweight Edwards was our answer to RB woes. When he had money to spend in January he brought in two strikers that had barely played for months. Constantly padding the squad out with untested academy players and had games when we have no available strikers and can't fill the bench.
Kev says he's doing a brilliant job though.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 30, 2024 12:26:28 GMT 1
The guy has overseen one of the worst seasons in recent history. We thought last season was bad but at this stage last season we had identical points to now but a better goal difference, we'd also just come off the back of wins against Millwall and Boro. We've had 3 managers and each have failed to get a tune out of a threadbare, bang average squad who he was happy with at the start of the season. He blew our summer budget on Wiles who was unfit and taken well over half a season to get anything like match fit but is still a bench warmer, he thought a massively overweight Edwards was our answer to RB woes. When he had money to spend in January he brought in two strikers that had barely played for months. Constantly padding the squad out with untested academy players and had games when we have no available strikers and can't fill the bench. Kev says he's doing a brilliant job though. And this is the man who will be responsible for the squad overall in the Summer. Re your point on the striker situation. This is the most annoying to me. We were in crisis in January with no forward options. We needed immediate impact and points. How can it be logical to sign the two players that we did. Within a week we were back to square one . Still losing games and still with no striker. |
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Post by royrace on Mar 31, 2024 13:59:08 GMT 1
The guy has overseen one of the worst seasons in recent history. We thought last season was bad but at this stage last season we had identical points to now but a better goal difference, we'd also just come off the back of wins against Millwall and Boro. We've had 3 managers and each have failed to get a tune out of a threadbare, bang average squad who he was happy with at the start of the season. He blew our summer budget on Wiles who was unfit and taken well over half a season to get anything like match fit but is still a bench warmer, he thought a massively overweight Edwards was our answer to RB woes. When he had money to spend in January he brought in two strikers that had barely played for months. Constantly padding the squad out with untested academy players and had games when we have no available strikers and can't fill the bench. Kev says he's doing a brilliant job though. Re your point on the striker situation. This is the most annoying to me. We were in crisis in January with no forward options. We needed immediate impact and points. How can it be logical to sign the two players that we did. Within a week we were back to square one . Still losing games and still with no striker. Surely not. I honestly cant think of how he could have done a worse job and hes already responsible for wasting millions, if we are relegated which it looks like we will be, it will be tens of millions. The January business is looking terrible, only Matos has improved the squad, the decision to appoint a coach who doesnt specialise in the situation we are in, also terrible. His position is surely completely untenable. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 31, 2024 14:29:08 GMT 1
We could drop Cartwright off tomorrow, just leave him in Stoke ?
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Post by willo on Mar 31, 2024 15:08:23 GMT 1
We could drop Cartwright off tomorrow, just leave him in Stoke ? They wouldn’t take him unfortunately. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 31, 2024 15:10:05 GMT 1
We could drop Cartwright off tomorrow, just leave him in Stoke ? They wouldn’t take him unfortunately. what if we left him in a room or AB left him in the managers office, when he has a glass of wine with the stoke gaffer after the game? |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 13, 2024 22:01:38 GMT 1
Out the door first please, gravy guzzling waste of space!
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 13, 2024 22:09:31 GMT 1
Out the door first please, gravy guzzling waste of space! Gravvy guzzling is defo the pharse, mr triple chin . i wonder how many other stoke crap he can bring in given the chance. edwards,russell and that gk coach. who is next mark hughes in league 1? the lad takes all the credit for signing bojan at stoke, mate it cost stoke a small fourtune but what did it actually achieve ? you got rid of pulis for hughes how did that go exactly . what is a crap second hand car dealer nothing else. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 13, 2024 22:15:33 GMT 1
Out the door first please, gravy guzzling waste of space! Gravvy guzzling is defo the pharse, mr triple chin . i wonder how many other stoke crap he can bring in given the chance. edwards,russell and that gk coach. who is next mark hughes in league 1? the lad takes all the credit for signing bojan at stoke, mate it cost stoke a small fourtune but what did it actually achieve ? you got rid of pulis for hughes how did that go exactly . what is a crap second hand car dealer nothing else. Are you related to prepare/positive? |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 13, 2024 22:18:29 GMT 1
Gravvy guzzling is defo the pharse, mr triple chin . i wonder how many other stoke crap he can bring in given the chance. edwards,russell and that gk coach. who is next mark hughes in league 1? the lad takes all the credit for signing bojan at stoke, mate it cost stoke a small fourtune but what did it actually achieve ? you got rid of pulis for hughes how did that go exactly . what is a crap second hand car dealer nothing else. Are you related to prepare/positive? no why ? i just see this guy as what stoke fans did, a complete chancer and a waste of time and effort. Bromby got bags of stick , yet he got one decision right in appoint CC, this idiot hasn't got a single signing or manger choice/ sacking right. He has spunked money on players such as wiles who for the life of me , i can't work out what he is actually good at. He talks about signing the correct player not just any player, yet he seems to have signed players who are either constantly injured or are just shite? |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 13, 2024 22:21:00 GMT 1
Out the door first please, gravy guzzling waste of space! No, he needs to be last because he'll get stuck and no one else will be able to get out |
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Post by mosher on Apr 16, 2024 11:06:30 GMT 1
Are you related to prepare/positive? i just see this guy as what stoke fans did, a complete chancer and a waste of time and effort. Bromby got bags of stick , yet he got one decision right in appoint CC, this idiot hasn't got a single signing or manger choice/ sacking right. He has spunked money on players such as wiles who for the life of me , i can't work out what he is actually good at. He talks about signing the correct player not just any player, yet he seems to have signed players who are either constantly injured or are just shite? The "train of consciousness" posting style. We get breathless reading his/your posts in our minds, I'd hate to read them out loud  |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 11:08:43 GMT 1
no why ? i just see this guy as what stoke fans did, a complete chancer and a waste of time and effort. Bromby got bags of stick , yet he got one decision right in appoint CC, this idiot hasn't got a single signing or manger choice/ sacking right. He has spunked money on players such as wiles who for the life of me , i can't work out what he is actually good at. He talks about signing the correct player not just any player, yet he seems to have signed players who are either constantly injured or are just shite? The "train of consciousness" posting style. We get breathless reading his/your posts in our minds, I'd hate to read them out loud Nah am not , but thanks for the concern. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 16, 2024 11:09:24 GMT 1
Anyone heard the sirens just now?
Wondering if it was someone reversing out of Canalside? 😉
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Post by mosher on Apr 16, 2024 11:13:47 GMT 1
The "train of consciousness" posting style. We get breathless reading his/your posts in our minds, I'd hate to read them out loud Nah am not , but thanks for the concern. Wasn't me that asked, was just answering your question  |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 13:33:51 GMT 1
Nah am not , but thanks for the concern. Wasn't me that asked, was just answering your question well thanks anyways mosh. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 13:53:33 GMT 1
Are you related to prepare/positive? no why ? i just see this guy as what stoke fans did, a complete chancer and a waste of time and effort. Bromby got bags of stick , yet he got one decision right in appoint CC, this idiot hasn't got a single signing or manger choice/ sacking right. He has spunked money on players such as wiles who for the life of me , i can't work out what he is actually good at. He talks about signing the correct player not just any player, yet he seems to have signed players who are either constantly injured or are just shite? Wiles, who your hero and idol Warnock wanted? Manager wants a play, guy responsible goes and gets him. 1. Wiles starts here very well - well done Warnock, you're a genius. 2. Wiles doesn't start well - fuck off Catwright, it's tour fault. Beggers belief. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 14:01:46 GMT 1
no why ? i just see this guy as what stoke fans did, a complete chancer and a waste of time and effort. Bromby got bags of stick , yet he got one decision right in appoint CC, this idiot hasn't got a single signing or manger choice/ sacking right. He has spunked money on players such as wiles who for the life of me , i can't work out what he is actually good at. He talks about signing the correct player not just any player, yet he seems to have signed players who are either constantly injured or are just shite? Wiles, who your hero and idol Warnock wanted? Manager wants a play, guy responsible goes and gets him. 1. Wiles starts here very well - well done Warnock, you're a genius. 2. Wiles doesn't start well - fuck off Catwright, it's tour fault. Beggers belief. There is a little difference here - a few points if i may !
1. Warnock is not my hero, i respect what he has done in his career and with us. 2. Wiles was a Warnock signing yes, but why sign a player and then get shut of the manager within 3 weeks? 3. If the plan was to remove Warnock imminently - then why let him sign anyone ? When the new manager does not want him or may not ? 4. Cartwright is responsible for singings and manager choices, as part of the signing process. Then there really should have being a major check in Wiles, after his huge injury and we should have either paid less or backed out regardless of weather Warnock wanted him or not . Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 16, 2024 14:07:50 GMT 1
Wiles, who your hero and idol Warnock wanted? Manager wants a play, guy responsible goes and gets him. 1. Wiles starts here very well - well done Warnock, you're a genius. 2. Wiles doesn't start well - fuck off Catwright, it's tour fault. Beggers belief. Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Apr 16, 2024 14:14:30 GMT 1
Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. Was not saying it was a bad choice to do so, the point being made was you can't tell Warnock he can't have free signings , that he knows. Then spunk quoted "significant" fee on someone who has just come back from a huge injury. Then say its Warnock fault soley, he does not sign off the checks/contracts.
Warncok was not here in January and how many of those signings have worked to date? Healey at a push
Cartwright can't have both ways as it were, sign off on players with have had huge injuries and tell managers they can't have certain players. Then get shut of said manager, then bring in players and managers who have had zero effect. Warnock has proven expeirnece of having an effect like him or not. Maybe if we had let Warnock carry on , Wiles wouldn't be subject of question, as Warnock may well have had a plan on how to use him, that the other two have not to date / in AB's case.
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Post by royrace on Apr 16, 2024 14:18:07 GMT 1
Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Thank the fucking lord. 1 of the only sensible decisions we've made this season. Can he pass the ball to a team mate though? Is he better than Tom Edwards? Thems the questions and I think it's probably yes to both. Also lots of experience in this league. Might have been a good signing. Also is he injury prone? If not another improvement. Is he a good pro? An experienced head in the dressing room? Tick tick. Last I heard he'd signed for Aberdeen, no idea how he's done up there but it did suggest he didn't want to go back to Canada as was suggested at the time. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 16, 2024 14:18:36 GMT 1
Wiles, who your hero and idol Warnock wanted? Manager wants a play, guy responsible goes and gets him. 1. Wiles starts here very well - well done Warnock, you're a genius. 2. Wiles doesn't start well - fuck off Catwright, it's tour fault. Beggers belief. There is a little difference here - a few points if i may !
1. Warnock is not my hero, i respect what he has done in his career and with us. 2. Wiles was a Warnock signing yes, but why sign a player and then get shut of the manager within 3 weeks? 3. If the plan was to remove Warnock imminently - then why let him sign anyone ? When the new manager does not want him or may not ? 4. Cartwright is responsible for singings and manager choices, as part of the signing process. Then there really should have being a major check in Wiles, after his huge injury and we should have either paid less or backed out regardless of weather Warnock wanted him or not . Remeber this is the club who apparently backed out of signing some of the "experinced" players Warnock wanted- Hoillet being one of them.
Can you imagine the shit Cartwroght would be getting if we had sold Hoillet? I think he made the correct decision to not sign him. Way past it. It has been highlighted many times why Warnock was removed, and once again, rightly so. Noone is bigger than their employer. Personally Cartwright has had a mixed time here. Unfortunately, he will be judged on the Moore appointment, which turned out to be abysmal. Burgzorg, Matos, Healey, Balker and Radulovic look safe signings. Hipefully a pre season sorts the injury situation out with Balker especially. Obviously 2 are loans, but he has shown he can use the loan market well. Edward sis judged on a mauling at Elland Road. Apart from that has he actually done anything wrong? |
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