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Post by Horney Barry on Jan 3, 2024 20:51:10 GMT 1
[br Christ. 14 years on and half the folk on here can’t even spell ‘Lee Clark’. This lad has no chance. Never had that problem with Florent Hadergjonaj. I hope we don’t make a song up for him as bad as we did for Haderjonainanananananananaiiiiii |
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Post by frankslegs on Jan 3, 2024 20:52:56 GMT 1
Sadly he will never make it.
He is typical nearly their footballer.
Positionally not good but final ball,touch not good enough.
At key times he miscontrols,mishits and never has his head up.
If Pat Jones was ever fit ……….
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Post by runner76 on Jan 3, 2024 20:55:28 GMT 1
Warnock rated him very highly Moore doesn’t rate him Up to you who’s opinion you put most weight behind You can't really use managers opinions. Diarra for me hasn't done anything at all. I wouldn't rate him if I was DM. Seems the case of he wants out and is probably not a good player to be around right now; his performances when he's had chances has shown this too. If he wants out then he can gladly feck off........if he wants to stay then we need to get him developed more |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jan 3, 2024 21:39:35 GMT 1
Diarra like Camara is being ill advised - same agent so that paints the picture
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 3, 2024 21:41:46 GMT 1
Diarra like Camara is being ill advised - same agent so that paints the picture I smell an agent looking at money, not the player and whats best for them. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 3, 2024 22:07:50 GMT 1
Diarra like Camara is being ill advised - same agent so that paints the picture I smell an agent looking at money, not the player and whats best for them. Which will also show Diarras lack of intelligence. Unless he is happy to sit on a bench at a key age for his development. Both careers will stagnate. |
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Post by specialun on Jan 3, 2024 22:20:15 GMT 1
Diarra has lots of potential at 20 - if we hadn’t seen him (like most b team players at his age) he wouldn’t get so much criticism
Writing him off now is daft - he could go one way or another agree with that but if we as a club cannot get that potential the coaches are not fit for purpose!
Warnock had him focussed or he wouldn’t have been involved like others, shame he’s stagnated at best now. Those blaming his ill advice from his agent - did he change agent since last season?
What were the views of Headley / Jackson etc when on here 2 years ago? Both 22, Jackson nearly 23. Did they get as much stick?
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 3, 2024 22:25:47 GMT 1
Diarra like Camara is being ill advised - same agent so that paints the picture Are you sure they have the same agent? I thought Camara was with Classico and Diarra with QIG Sports. Camara and Ayina used to have the same agent. Ayina is now with Unique Sports Group. Along with quite a few of Town squad…… and NWs son… Not sure either are being badly advised. Camara moved from a struggling Championship team to a struggling Serie A team. Squad player at both. Moved out of an apartment next to the university in a run down Northern England town, into a flat in a cosmopolitan Northeast City in Italy. Plus gets a ton of extra money in his pay check. Don’t know where Diarra’s going. But he’s likely to be moving to be a squad player at a similar standard club on significantly more money |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jan 3, 2024 22:38:48 GMT 1
Diarra like Camara is being ill advised - same agent so that paints the picture Are you sure they have the same agent? I thought Camara was with Classico and Diarra with QIG Sports. Camara and Ayina used to have the same agent. Ayina is now with Unique Sports Group. Along with quite a few of Town squad…… and NWs son… Not sure either are being badly advised. Camara moved from a struggling Championship team to a struggling Serie A team. Squad player at both. Moved out of an apartment next to the university in a run down Northern England town, into a flat in a cosmopolitan Northeast City in Italy. Plus gets a ton of extra money in his pay check. Don’t know where Diarra’s going. But he’s likely to be moving to be a squad player at a similar standard club on significantly more money Exactly. Always so easy for fans to think a player is being badly advised. He’s gone backwards at Town over the past 8 months, a fresh start might do him good. It might set him up for many years financially and take him to a fantastic part of the world. I doubt many Parisians dream of moving to Huddersfield. If he was my son I’d be desperate for him to take any exciting opportunity that came to him. |
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 3, 2024 22:57:37 GMT 1
Are you sure they have the same agent? I thought Camara was with Classico and Diarra with QIG Sports. Camara and Ayina used to have the same agent. Ayina is now with Unique Sports Group. Along with quite a few of Town squad…… and NWs son… Not sure either are being badly advised. Camara moved from a struggling Championship team to a struggling Serie A team. Squad player at both. Moved out of an apartment next to the university in a run down Northern England town, into a flat in a cosmopolitan Northeast City in Italy. Plus gets a ton of extra money in his pay check. Don’t know where Diarra’s going. But he’s likely to be moving to be a squad player at a similar standard club on significantly more money Exactly. Always so easy for fans to think a player is being badly advised. He’s gone backwards at Town over the past 8 months, a fresh start might do him good. It might set him up for many years financially and take him to a fantastic part of the world. I doubt many Parisians dream of moving to Huddersfield. If he was my son I’d be desperate for him to take any exciting opportunity that came to him. Not just potentially setting him up financially, but also maybe a chance to help his parents. African immigrants living in a poor suburb of Paris…Opportunity to buy them a place back in Mali and give them a comfortable life. Many professional footballers come from working class or poor backgrounds and one of their goals is to help their parents. Sometimes the player tells the Agent what they want and the Agent goes and finds a club that can provide it. |
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Post by Yaya sanogoat on Jan 4, 2024 9:23:38 GMT 1
Exactly. Always so easy for fans to think a player is being badly advised. He’s gone backwards at Town over the past 8 months, a fresh start might do him good. It might set him up for many years financially and take him to a fantastic part of the world. I doubt many Parisians dream of moving to Huddersfield. If he was my son I’d be desperate for him to take any exciting opportunity that came to him. Not just potentially setting him up financially, but also maybe a chance to help his parents. African immigrants living in a poor suburb of Paris…Opportunity to buy them a place back in Mali and give them a comfortable life. Many professional footballers come from working class or poor backgrounds and one of their goals is to help their parents. Sometimes the player tells the Agent what they want and the Agent goes and finds a club that can provide it. a 20 year olds main priority should be playing first team football regularly and then getting the money move when they are good enough, if diarra goes to a 2nd division French team I can’t argue with that but if like camara he makes a move he is not ready for it will only stunt his career |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 4, 2024 9:41:05 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he?
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Post by rockwall on Jan 4, 2024 9:42:52 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? He stagnated well before Moore came in. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jan 4, 2024 10:10:29 GMT 1
weird to talk about someone so young with so few games as "stagnating".
The lad has bags and bags of potential. Our circumstances meant he was pushed too hard too soon. This may well have impacted his development. Some players adapt to being thrust into things earlier than ideal (Rashford had no business being in the Utd first team when he broke through - injuries forced them to play him in Europe, he bags a brace and the rest is history).
Personally, if we could tie him down, I'd look to get him on a 3 yr deal and loan him out for the rest of this season, at least. That's unlikely though - our approach to contracts for young players in recent years seems to repeatedly leave us open to the risk of losing them for nowt. This is something that must change.
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Post by dm on Jan 4, 2024 10:29:19 GMT 1
Diarra hasn't converted much of the potential he looks like he possesses into anything that suggests he is Championship standard. He is very young still but if he won't sign a new contract then see you later. The 0 goal and very few assists (I can't remember one of either but apparently he has some assists for Town: www.whoscored.com/Players/407474/History/Brahima-Diarra) are a good way to evidence that he isn't tearing up games . The idea that Warnock rated him but Moore doesn't must mean Moore is wrong is nonsense. The few goal involvements support Moore. Also, Warnock considered 2 years for Ward a good idea whilst sending the apparently God-like Jordan Rhodes to Blackpool. Just because Warnock is a great man-manager doesn't mean he's great at identifying the best players. Based on his career to date, if Moore was selecting Diarra when Warnock hadn't been, it would be ' CRAZY that Moore is selecting him'. NW is gone, DM is here... time to get over it. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 4, 2024 10:36:39 GMT 1
He is miles off being ready for championship football. Yes he can with the ball but has produced zero end product. Loses possession in dangerous areas of the pitch.
Not worth investing any more money in him. Pat jones can be added to that list - he is always injured. A club like ours can’t afford to carry players these.
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 4, 2024 10:57:58 GMT 1
Not just potentially setting him up financially, but also maybe a chance to help his parents. African immigrants living in a poor suburb of Paris…Opportunity to buy them a place back in Mali and give them a comfortable life. Many professional footballers come from working class or poor backgrounds and one of their goals is to help their parents. Sometimes the player tells the Agent what they want and the Agent goes and finds a club that can provide it. a 20 year olds main priority should be playing first team football regularly and then getting the money move when they are good enough, if diarra goes to a 2nd division French team I can’t argue with that but if like camara he makes a move he is not ready for it will only stunt his career The flip side of that though is that careers can often end before they start, so opportunities have to be taken when the arise. Look at a few players they were in the Academy with. Muz Olagunju. Looked a brilliant prospect at 19. Made his debut for us exactly 3 years ago in the FA Cup and went out on Loan to L2. Then in the following summer get's an injury that threatened to end his career. He's just turned 22 and only just started playing again, with a handful of appearances at National League Level. Pat Jones. Fantastic prospect, who made his debut for us as a 17 year old on 9th January 2021. But will his hamstrings allow him to have a career as a professional footballer? He's played 10 professional football matches in 3 years due to injuries. His contract expires this summer, with a 1 year option. It's likely we'll take the option, but if his injury record doesn't improve, will he get another contract? Miles Bright. Great prospect when he first came in to the Academy. That highly rated that Brentford were trying to get him to join them at the end of his scholarship with us. Hence we offered him a 3 year professional contract. He's the same age as Camara and Diarra and now can't even get a regular starting place in our B team. His contract ends this summer and I'd imagine he'll be playing semi-pro somewhere next season. There's loads more I could mention. And why has Camara's career stagnated? I would suggest moving to Serie A side Udenise to be a squad player is career development from being a squad player at Huddersfield Town. He wasn't even getting on the bench under NW. OK he's only played 1 match for Udenise. But he may not have played any/many for us if he'd stayed and we not had such and injury crisis. He could have been sat on the bench for us ever match without playing or potentially not even made the squad. He was 4th choice CDM under Warnock behind Hogg, Kasumu and REG. Plus let's factor in that Udinese most likely have a better squad than we do. So training every day with them, will be developing him more than training with us would. Finally, if he does go out on Loan this window and plays, then his development continues. |
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 4, 2024 11:04:06 GMT 1
He is miles off being ready for championship football. Yes he can with the ball but has produced zero end product. Loses possession in dangerous areas of the pitch. Not worth investing any more money in him. Pat jones can be added to that list - he is always injured. A club like ours can’t afford to carry players these. If it's not worth investing money in a a 20 year old that recently represented Mali at the U23's AFCON and they finished 3rd. And a 20 year old who, despite always being injured get's selected for Wales U21's every time he's fit. Then who do we invest money in? |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jan 4, 2024 11:04:07 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? Just out of interest what is the noise about Moore's training methods? |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 4, 2024 11:05:39 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? Just out of interest what is the noise about Moore's training methods? It's that noisy nobody has heard it 😂 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 4, 2024 11:17:58 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? Just out of interest what is the noise about Moore's training methods? Presumably, for one, his insistence on playing training matches without a ball 🤔 |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 4, 2024 11:44:58 GMT 1
Any news today??
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Post by Next Manager coming soon on Jan 4, 2024 13:01:05 GMT 1
We are waiting on Castle Hill Terrier but he’s busy doing all the medicals 🙄
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 4, 2024 13:11:46 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? Just out of interest what is the noise about Moore's training methods? post from Maynard a few days back saying that the players don't rate his 'crayon eatingly primitive' training methods |
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Post by specialun on Jan 4, 2024 13:29:27 GMT 1
We're only talking about Diarra like this because he's out of contract and unlikely to renew. If he had more years left we'd be talking about sending him to a league 1 club for half a season, he's still a good prospect but has stagnated under Moore- unsurprisingly given the internal noise about his training methods. Diarra could've really got rolling this season but it wasn't to be, he hit the post in each of our first 3 games didn't he? He stagnated well before Moore came in. When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 4, 2024 13:41:19 GMT 1
He stagnated well before Moore came in. When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development He hasn't improved. If anything looks worse this season than last season. I haven't said that his career can't eventually develop. But for us, he has been anonymous for a long time. |
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Post by dm on Jan 4, 2024 13:56:49 GMT 1
He stagnated well before Moore came in. When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development He hasn't stagnated, he hasn't really got going. Genuine question - what did he develop under Warnock? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 4, 2024 13:59:31 GMT 1
He is miles off being ready for championship football. Yes he can with the ball but has produced zero end product. Loses possession in dangerous areas of the pitch. Not worth investing any more money in him. Pat jones can be added to that list - he is always injured. A club like ours can’t afford to carry players these. If it's not worth investing money in a a 20 year old that recently represented Mali at the U23's AFCON and they finished 3rd. And a 20 year old who, despite always being injured get's selected for Wales U21's every time he's fit. Then who do we invest money in? Diarra has had his chance and clearly wants a move. Pat Jones - it doesn't matter how good you are if you are always injured. Release and find another young player that isn't injured all the time. The impact either has had on the first team has been practically zero. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 4, 2024 14:00:48 GMT 1
Where’s the Diarra thread?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 4, 2024 14:04:43 GMT 1
When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development He hasn't improved. If anything looks worse this season than last season. I haven't said that his career can't eventually develop. But for us, he has been anonymous for a long time. You could say the same about most of the squad this season. |
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