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Post by blueray4 on Jan 4, 2024 14:18:12 GMT 1
When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development He hasn't improved. If anything looks worse this season than last season. I haven't said that his career can't eventually develop. But for us, he has been anonymous for a long time. You can possibly put that down to Moores training (or not training). Perhaps a change of manager would help. |
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Post by cosmo on Jan 4, 2024 14:31:52 GMT 1
Matos loan deal agreed according to BBC
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Post by runner76 on Jan 4, 2024 14:32:12 GMT 1
He hasn't improved. If anything looks worse this season than last season. I haven't said that his career can't eventually develop. But for us, he has been anonymous for a long time. You can possibly put that down to Moores training (or not training). Perhaps a change of manager would help. Are there any facts about training methods? |
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Post by mosher on Jan 4, 2024 14:44:40 GMT 1
You can possibly put that down to Moores training (or not training). Perhaps a change of manager would help. Are there any facts about training methods? Not exactly facts but there's a post from Maynard somewhere about describing it as "crayon-eating" or some such phrase. Usually a clue when Maynard posts something. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 4, 2024 14:46:40 GMT 1
Are there any facts about training methods? Not exactly facts but there's a post from Maynard somewhere about describing it as "crayon-eating" or some such phrase. Usually a clue when Maynard posts something. True.....but just not sure which player feels a certain way and how that has been fed down a line of word of mouth......unless it is more than one player...who knows!...... |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 4, 2024 14:48:59 GMT 1
He stagnated well before Moore came in. When did he ‘stagnate’ then? The lads 20 He was at Harrogate during 21/22 aged 18 He was with us last season 23/23 aged 19 - I think he’d only started 3 games prior to end Feb? Struggling to see how he stagnated without starting - he started more games (not all) after that, sometimes looked a threat others he didn’t and taken off. Personally preferred him off the bench but there was clearly something to work with, potential to develop and he did under Warnock. Struggling to see how he ‘stagnated’ whilst being more involved at any point previously, to me that showed development He used to be a great option off the bench, but has been in bad form for a few months now. I would say he's gone backwards in terms of his passing, pressing, and ability to impact games in general. I watched him a little bit in the youth teams, his skills obviously stood out far more there but he made some really elementary errors in his decision making and quality of final ball even then. It's just not improved. Time is on his side obviously but it looks like we won't be the ones to find out. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 4, 2024 14:49:38 GMT 1
Not exactly facts but there's a post from Maynard somewhere about describing it as "crayon-eating" or some such phrase. Usually a clue when Maynard posts something. True.....but just not sure which player feels a certain way and how that has been fed down a line of word of mouth......unless it is more than one player...who knows!...... he heard very similar from 3 senior players |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 4, 2024 14:52:53 GMT 1
True.....but just not sure which player feels a certain way and how that has been fed down a line of word of mouth......unless it is more than one player...who knows!...... he heard very similar from 3 senior players So a minority of players, which is some positive....worry if it was 6+! |
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Post by royrace on Jan 4, 2024 14:55:07 GMT 1
he heard very similar from 3 senior players So a minority of players, which is some positive....worry if it was 6+! I'm guessing he hasn't canvassed the entire squad for their opinion tho  |
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Post by Hazza on Jan 4, 2024 15:02:39 GMT 1
In response to a conversation about our central defenders’ lack of passing ability on another thread (I debated responding on there but decided to try and keep the debate on topic)…
I’ve mentioned before that I’ve felt for a while (probably since sir Neil left) that a CD with pace and a modicum of passing ability is a high priority. Not ahead of CF(s) and ball playing midfielder but very quickly afterwards.
All our CDs are very easy to get in behind and our inability to play through the lines effectively starts with our defenders. Yuta makes a difference when he’s available but I wouldn’t say he’s lightning quick or can pass like beckenbauer. I’d like to see this addressed after the first two signings get announced.
And whilst I’m on the topic… do we think the Chelsea lad is the only midfielder incoming? He looks and sounds like Diarra 2.0 rather than the passing, Mooy style midfielder we are crying out for. I’ll take him but unsure if he fully answers the questions..
Thoughts welcome!
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Post by Sparrow on Jan 4, 2024 15:08:49 GMT 1
Absolutely agree on the need for a quick CB. I'd be looking for a Left Footed CB with pace.
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Post by steo1986 on Jan 4, 2024 15:15:48 GMT 1
Matos loan deal agreed according to BBC Someone said there was a medical happening yesterday or today so will be announced either later today or tomorrow |
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Post by steo1986 on Jan 4, 2024 15:17:23 GMT 1
Absolutely agree on the need for a quick CB. I'd be looking for a Left Footed CB with pace. If it dosent happen this month it needs to happen as part of the recruitment at the end of the season going forward to start replacing the players that are now getting on a bit like lees and pearson. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 15:23:51 GMT 1
In response to a conversation about our central defenders’ lack of passing ability on another thread (I debated responding on there but decided to try and keep the debate on topic)… I’ve mentioned before that I’ve felt for a while (probably since sir Neil left) that a CD with pace and a modicum of passing ability is a high priority. Not ahead of CF(s) and ball playing midfielder but very quickly afterwards. All our CDs are very easy to get in behind and our inability to play through the lines effectively starts with our defenders. Yuta makes a difference when he’s available but I wouldn’t say he’s lightning quick or can pass like beckenbauer. I’d like to see this addressed after the first two signings get announced. And whilst I’m on the topic… do we think the Chelsea lad is the only midfielder incoming? He looks and sounds like Diarra 2.0 rather than the passing, Mooy style midfielder we are crying out for. I’ll take him but unsure if he fully answers the questions.. Thoughts welcome! One of the biggest assets we had in Corberan's second season were Colwill, O'Brien & Toffolo. All left sided with decent ball control who could pass. I think we have similar with Nakayama, Headley & Rudoni. If we could get a similar structure down the right it would be a big improvement, and I think a better centre back on that side is required. If we had that with Kasumu or Jackson then Thomas further forward we then need a good attacking midfielder, Matos maybe and a couple of decent strikers to add to Del (I do realise @tinpot my list makes more than 10 outfield players  . I think we would see a much improved style of play. It could even allow us to go four at the back instead of 5 perhaps. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 4, 2024 15:59:50 GMT 1
In response to a conversation about our central defenders’ lack of passing ability on another thread (I debated responding on there but decided to try and keep the debate on topic)… I’ve mentioned before that I’ve felt for a while (probably since sir Neil left) that a CD with pace and a modicum of passing ability is a high priority. Not ahead of CF(s) and ball playing midfielder but very quickly afterwards. All our CDs are very easy to get in behind and our inability to play through the lines effectively starts with our defenders. Yuta makes a difference when he’s available but I wouldn’t say he’s lightning quick or can pass like beckenbauer. I’d like to see this addressed after the first two signings get announced. And whilst I’m on the topic… do we think the Chelsea lad is the only midfielder incoming? He looks and sounds like Diarra 2.0 rather than the passing, Mooy style midfielder we are crying out for. I’ll take him but unsure if he fully answers the questions.. Thoughts welcome! of the biggest assets we had in Corberan's second season were Colwill, O'Brien & Toffolo. All left sided with decent ball control who could pass. I think we have similar with Nakayama, Headley & Rudoni. If we could get a similar structure down the right it would be a big improvement, and I think a better centre back on that side is required. If we had that with Kasumu or Jackson then Thomas further forward we then need a good attacking midfielder, Matos maybe and a couple of decent strikers to add to Del (I do realise @tinpot my list makes more than 10 outfield players . I think we would see a much improved style of play. It could even allow us to go four at the back instead of 5 perhaps. Counting isn't your strong suit, is it? 🤪😉😜 |
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Post by blueray4 on Jan 4, 2024 16:05:16 GMT 1
he heard very similar from 3 senior players So a minority of players, which is some positive....worry if it was 6+! I’ve heard it’s most of the team that played against Blackburn. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 4, 2024 16:20:37 GMT 1
Are there any facts about training methods? Not exactly facts but there's a post from Maynard somewhere about describing it as "crayon-eating" or some such phrase. Usually a clue when Maynard posts something. Have they started using a football in training yet? There was rumours of them using an invisible ball |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jan 4, 2024 16:22:20 GMT 1
Explains the possession stats most weeks
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 4, 2024 16:23:14 GMT 1
he heard very similar from 3 senior players So a minority of players, which is some positive....worry if it was 6+! What if he's only spoken to 3 people about it ? |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 4, 2024 16:27:29 GMT 1
Explains the possession stats most weeks This is likely to be a very underrated post 😂 |
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Post by calken on Jan 4, 2024 16:57:30 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 17:26:46 GMT 1
One of the biggest assets we had in Corberan's second season were Colwill, O'Brien & Toffolo. All left sided with decent ball control who could pass. I think we have similar with Nakayama, Headley & Rudoni. If we could get a similar structure down the right it would be a big improvement, and I think a better centre back on that side is required. If we had that with Kasumu or Jackson then Thomas further forward we then need a good attacking midfielder, Matos maybe and a couple of decent strikers to add to Del (I do realise @tinpot my list makes more than 10 outfield players . I think we would see a much improved style of play. It could even allow us to go four at the back instead of 5 perhaps. Counting isn't your strong suit, is it? 🤪😉😜 I wasn't counting the keeper. Come on, give me a break here.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 17:29:47 GMT 1
One of the biggest assets we had in Corberan's second season were Colwill, O'Brien & Toffolo. All left sided with decent ball control who could pass. I think we have similar with Nakayama, Headley & Rudoni. If we could get a similar structure down the right it would be a big improvement, and I think a better centre back on that side is required. If we had that with Kasumu or Jackson then Thomas further forward we then need a good attacking midfielder, Matos maybe and a couple of decent strikers to add to Del (I do realise @tinpot my list makes more than 10 outfield players . I think we would see a much improved style of play. It could even allow us to go four at the back instead of 5 perhaps. Counting isn't your strong suit, is it? 🤪😉😜 I was counting Colwill, O'Brien & Toffolo as a collective asset, I'm sure that is a real thing. |
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Post by prepare on Jan 4, 2024 17:46:49 GMT 1
So a minority of players, which is some positive....worry if it was 6+! I'm guessing he hasn't canvassed the entire squad for their opinion tho it’s bull shine!! |
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Post by callum9061 on Jan 4, 2024 17:57:32 GMT 1
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Post by callum9061 on Jan 4, 2024 18:01:17 GMT 1
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Post by detox on Jan 4, 2024 18:01:32 GMT 1
At least one of the players we're bringing in needs to be an experienced game manager on the pitch. It's clear we don't have that (and don't mention Hoggy). An older hand to keep the youngsters on track, in shape and focused...
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Post by callum9061 on Jan 4, 2024 18:05:20 GMT 1
At least one of the players we're bringing in needs to be an experienced game manager on the pitch. It's clear we don't have that (and don't mention Hoggy). An older hand to keep the youngsters on track, in shape and focused... Bit like Kevin kilbane did last 6 months in league one? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 4, 2024 18:08:03 GMT 1
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Post by theterrier42 on Jan 4, 2024 18:17:01 GMT 1
At least one of the players we're bringing in needs to be an experienced game manager on the pitch. It's clear we don't have that (and don't mention Hoggy). An older hand to keep the youngsters on track, in shape and focused... What’s Jason Puncheon up to nowadays? |
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