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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 20, 2023 19:26:21 GMT 1
Moores job is safe till at least mid Feb, there is no immediate threat to his job, subject to the usual caveats that no managers job is secure. His job is only safe until February as long as the results are OK. Lose the next 3 and he is gone. I think if we get a bit of a kicking on Saturday , i think he will be packing his bags. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 20, 2023 19:28:11 GMT 1
Based on what, though? Your opinion? Or word from someone at the club? There are other posters on this thread who have implied that his job is not as safe as you suggest. What information do you have that they don't, or, why is your narrative so vastly different to theirs? I cannot believe that his job would be safe for another two months if we continue to perform so poorly on the pitch, and are represented so poorly by our head coach in the media. I have the same information the Darren will be here, and not judged until at least mid february, look this could change but as long as the position in the table stays where it is or better I dont believe Darren will be going anywhere (dropping into the bottom 3 for an odd week will not be enough to change this), if we go and lose 3 or 4 in a row then something could be looked at. The people at the top are all fully aware of what a difficult job Darren has on with the current squad, he is trying to coach in a very different way to what he wants to make sure we stay in the mix, with the correct tools we would not be playing like we are, and if we tried to play as wanted currently no way would we have picked up as many points. He needs to be judged when he changes it around and starts to try and be more entertaining. Lots will change between now and mid february that could get the fans back on side and get everyone moving together. So it's not really safe is it.. if results are not OK and we drop into the bottom 3 then he will be gone.. January or February. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 20, 2023 19:29:00 GMT 1
Half a goal? What game are you talking about? One where sometimes we score an extra goal compared to today, and sometimes we don't...converting half of our draw's into wins. A TINY improvement, yet if only 2 of our five draws since losing to Leeds changed to wins, we'd have an extra 4 points and everyone would be talking about strengthening in January for a potential push for a top-half finish! Basically - we aren't rubbish and we aren't really that far off getting perfectly acceptable results. Just a shame its so very dull to watch! You can't say 'if only 2 of our 5 draws were wins we'd be okay', they weren't wins. You could say 'if only' all day long. We are shite under Moore. Simple as. |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 20, 2023 19:48:59 GMT 1
One where sometimes we score an extra goal compared to today, and sometimes we don't...converting half of our draw's into wins. A TINY improvement, yet if only 2 of our five draws since losing to Leeds changed to wins, we'd have an extra 4 points and everyone would be talking about strengthening in January for a potential push for a top-half finish! Basically - we aren't rubbish and we aren't really that far off getting perfectly acceptable results. Just a shame its so very dull to watch! Cardiff 4-0 Leeds 4-1 Birmingham 4-1 Norwich 4-0 Plymouth 3-1 Preston 3-1 We have lost 8 games. 6 by more than 1 goal. Only Hull and Leicester have been by 1 goal. But we are not rubbish.... Which of these isn't far off to being acceptable? Eh?! Only one of the games you mention fits into the relevant recent outturn I was talking about which covers the last 8 games since playing Leeds. Those big defeats DM had when he was first through the door (and NW before that), are no reflection at all on our current run of relatively solid defensive performances. We've been a goal scorer and/or a Jack Rudoni away from being a half decent team that is getting perfectly acceptable results. |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 20, 2023 19:50:43 GMT 1
One where sometimes we score an extra goal compared to today, and sometimes we don't...converting half of our draw's into wins. A TINY improvement, yet if only 2 of our five draws since losing to Leeds changed to wins, we'd have an extra 4 points and everyone would be talking about strengthening in January for a potential push for a top-half finish! Basically - we aren't rubbish and we aren't really that far off getting perfectly acceptable results. Just a shame its so very dull to watch! You can't say 'if only 2 of our 5 draws were wins we'd be okay', they weren't wins. You could say 'if only' all day long. We ads shite under Moore. Simple as. You're missing the point. Yes, we're not very good...but its not down to being utterly rubbish from front to back with no hope. We're not very good for the simple reason that we don't score goals, and thats almost entirely down to the lack of actual goal-scorers in the squad, there's not much even the best manager in the world could do about that. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Dec 20, 2023 20:04:19 GMT 1
You can't say 'if only 2 of our 5 draws were wins we'd be okay', they weren't wins. You could say 'if only' all day long. We ads shite under Moore. Simple as. You're missing the point. Yes, we're not very good...but its not down to being utterly rubbish from front to back with no hope. We're not very good for the simple reason that we don't score goals, and thats almost entirely down to the lack of actual goal-scorers in the squad, there's not much even the best manager in the world could do about that. I agree but he sets us up to defend, allow them almost total possession. We don’t break with any type of conviction, so he’s either hoping to nick a goal with our 12% possession which surely is low odds or he’s happy with a nil nil draw? |
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Post by dezzly on Dec 20, 2023 21:17:05 GMT 1
You're missing the point. Yes, we're not very good...but its not down to being utterly rubbish from front to back with no hope. We're not very good for the simple reason that we don't score goals, and thats almost entirely down to the lack of actual goal-scorers in the squad, there's not much even the best manager in the world could do about that. I agree but he sets us up to defend, allow them almost total possession. We don’t break with any type of conviction, so he’s either hoping to nick a goal with our 12% possession which surely is low odds or he’s happy with a nil nil draw? Tbf to him they have played further up the pitch in terms of setup and had more of the ball in the last 3 games.That said it has made no difference other than in the two home games to make us look easier to get at(for obvious reasons) We don’t score goals simply because we create little to no chances,that’s whether we sit deep with 10 behind the ball,relinquish possession and look to counter or push slightly higher and try to have more of the ball. I know we don’t have the best striking options in the division but they live off absolute scraps. Even under Carlos ward just became extremely clinical and we scored loads of set pieces. We do need strikers but I think more we need more creators. That’s not really on Moore as it’s a running theme. My issue with him would be I just think tactically he’s not great,like iv said before with better players we will naturally improve I just think Moore has a fairly low ceiling in terms of where he can take us because of said tactical nouse. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 20, 2023 22:10:05 GMT 1
Cardiff 4-0 Leeds 4-1 Birmingham 4-1 Norwich 4-0 Plymouth 3-1 Preston 3-1 We have lost 8 games. 6 by more than 1 goal. Only Hull and Leicester have been by 1 goal. But we are not rubbish.... Which of these isn't far off to being acceptable? Eh?! Only one of the games you mention fits into the relevant recent outturn I was talking about which covers the last 8 games since playing Leeds. Those big defeats DM had when he was first through the door (and NW before that), are no reflection at all on our current run of relatively solid defensive performances. We've been a goal scorer and/or a Jack Rudoni away from being a half decent team that is getting perfectly acceptable results. Didn't realise our season would be based on 8 games. I feel we could be champions as we won 1 game at Sunderland. Il use that as my barometer. |
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Post by Floyds on Dec 20, 2023 23:21:52 GMT 1
You can't say 'if only 2 of our 5 draws were wins we'd be okay', they weren't wins. You could say 'if only' all day long. We ads shite under Moore. Simple as. You're missing the point. Yes, we're not very good...but its not down to being utterly rubbish from front to back with no hope. We're not very good for the simple reason that we don't score goals, and thats almost entirely down to the lack of actual goal-scorers in the squad, there's not much even the best manager in the world could do about that. Personally I think you’re being kind. It’s not only that we don’t score enough goals. We also can’t pass the ball, create enough chances, defend properly along with making goalkeeping errors. Coupled with a robotic and seemingly tactically inept manager. In fact - what do we actually do “well” for a Championship side? As a side we’ve no redeeming features as far as I can see. But that’s only my opinion. Maybe we’ll see an upturn in fortune now we’ve some injured players returning and we can string a couple of results together before the NY. Hoping so obviously. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 20, 2023 23:33:25 GMT 1
You can't say 'if only 2 of our 5 draws were wins we'd be okay', they weren't wins. You could say 'if only' all day long. We ads shite under Moore. Simple as. You're missing the point. Yes, we're not very good...but its not down to being utterly rubbish from front to back with no hope. We're not very good for the simple reason that we don't score goals, and thats almost entirely down to the lack of actual goal-scorers in the squad, there's not much even the best manager in the world could do about that. You have to create chances to score goals. Even if we had goal scorers in the squad, we would struggle to score goals. Our problems are more than just lack of goal scorers. We lack the ability to create chances, which is down to a lack of creativity and quality. If our problems were simply down to lack of finishing I would be far more optimistic than I am. Our problems are far more complex. Ronaldo would struggle to score in our team. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 21, 2023 11:16:24 GMT 1
Anybody know if Castlehill is sitting next to Darren on his press conference this week?
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Post by irverino on Dec 21, 2023 11:57:58 GMT 1
Anybody know if Castlehill is sitting next to Darren on his press conference this week? Is it today? Probably cover Blackburn game too......Twice as boring then. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 21, 2023 12:03:51 GMT 1
Anybody know if Castlehill is sitting next to Darren on his press conference this week? Is it today? Probably cover Blackburn game too......Twice as boring then. As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2023 12:08:48 GMT 1
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Post by benhomly on Dec 21, 2023 14:11:34 GMT 1
Is it today? Probably cover Blackburn game too......Twice as boring then. As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother. |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 21, 2023 14:18:02 GMT 1
Moores job is safe till at least mid Feb, there is no immediate threat to his job, subject to the usual caveats that no managers job is secure. His job is only safe until February as long as the results are OK. Lose the next 3 and he is gone. Why would he get three more games to loose? One more should be enough. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 21, 2023 14:44:27 GMT 1
As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother. The only information of any interest is injury news. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2023 14:54:31 GMT 1
As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother. I did. Always with Warnock and Wagner, very entertaining and informative, often Carlos. Buzz and Moore not watchable. |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Dec 21, 2023 15:01:19 GMT 1
As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother. I watch them because I live abroad and it helps me to feel a bit more involved. Of course, with iFollow I get to watch all the games live, but it's not the same as being there. |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 21, 2023 16:24:29 GMT 1
As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother.
If you go here you can see how many watch them... www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUlgjY1MitUiXRExlucJ49td5Va0jNgbfBut in summary... 17,000 views for his initial announcement conference, then Around 5000 views for each of his first three games. which dropped to around 3000 over the next three, and ever since has been from around 2000 to 2700. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 21, 2023 22:53:19 GMT 1
His job is only safe until February as long as the results are OK. Lose the next 3 and he is gone. Why would he get three more games to loose? One more should be enough. They quite simply won't pull the trigger unless they have to. |
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Dec 22, 2023 5:00:07 GMT 1
Draw tomorrow & two wins over Christmas & all will be forgiven & yes before you ask I have been smoking the pipe of peace with the original ingdegious American people. You should all try it sometime. Ffs.
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Post by digs on Dec 22, 2023 11:09:14 GMT 1
I can't listen to someone who calls a squad a group 100 times a minute
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2023 11:41:42 GMT 1
Why would he get three more games to loose? One more should be enough. They quite simply won't pull the trigger unless they have to. Lose the next 3 would be no surprise,oh then it's Leicester and Man City.Nice introduction for Kevin's month here |
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Post by buxtonboys101 on Dec 22, 2023 13:33:31 GMT 1
Doubt he will be sacked before January unless we are absolutely and embarrassingly humiliated by one of our Championship opponents. Double figures at City is a possibility and also could cost him his job. But unless that happens then he is as safe as houses. They simply cannot afford to get rid and replace with yet another coaching team.
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Post by prepare on Dec 22, 2023 14:32:13 GMT 1
Doubt he will be sacked before January unless we are absolutely and embarrassingly humiliated by one of our Championship opponents. Double figures at City is a possibility and also could cost him his job. But unless that happens then he is as safe as houses. They simply cannot afford to get rid and replace with yet another coaching team. I doubt the city gamr will cost him other results maybe but no need to panic |
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Post by goodbet on Dec 22, 2023 15:45:25 GMT 1
Doubt he will be sacked before January unless we are absolutely and embarrassingly humiliated by one of our Championship opponents. Double figures at City is a possibility and also could cost him his job. But unless that happens then he is as safe as houses. They simply cannot afford to get rid and replace with yet another coaching team. I doubt the city gamr will cost him other results maybe but no need to panic When do we panic? If we get to the end of January and we still look like we don't have a clue how to play we will be panicking. If we get to that stage we will have to find a new manager and be looking for any reasonable out of contract players. |
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Post by conman on Dec 22, 2023 16:30:10 GMT 1
Doubt he will be sacked before January unless we are absolutely and embarrassingly humiliated by one of our Championship opponents. Double figures at City is a possibility and also could cost him his job. But unless that happens then he is as safe as houses. They simply cannot afford to get rid and replace with yet another coaching team. Which would cost the most , changing the coaching staff or relegation ? . Because that's where we're heading if we don't get shut sharpish.. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 22, 2023 19:37:09 GMT 1
As much as we're joking about it, I actually think press conferences are really important for attendances. Watching Moore speak the non season ticket holders and even some of the season ticket holders are going to have zero push to go if they are sat in the 50/50 bracket. Its another reason why getting somebody who is fresh, innovative and a good speaker will be crucial for the next appointment. You think people who don't go to games watch press conferences? I go to every home game and anything between 5 and 10 away games a season but have never watched a press conference in my life, nor would I. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I would be intrigued to know how many people watch them and why they bother. I just don't get the fuss about press conferences. I've never watched them, no matter who the manager has been. They have absolutely no bearing on my opinion of the manager. My view is ultimately based on what I see on the pitch, not what I hear or see in generally meaningless press conferences. |
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Post by richhtfc on Dec 22, 2023 19:50:24 GMT 1
Doubt he will be sacked before January unless we are absolutely and embarrassingly humiliated by one of our Championship opponents. Double figures at City is a possibility and also could cost him his job. But unless that happens then he is as safe as houses. They simply cannot afford to get rid and replace with yet another coaching team. Which would cost the most , changing the coaching staff or relegation ? . Because that's where we're heading if we don't get shut sharpish.. That’s the equation, keep DM and spend a load of money bolstering the squad to stay up… Or…:.. Spend a load of money replacing DM AND spend a load of money bolstering the squad to stay up… I think they’ll do the first but you never know |
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