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Post by htfcterry on Dec 23, 2023 11:39:44 GMT 1
He’s had/got the same tools his predecessor had and is failing miserably in comparison. I can’t speak for everyone but the Preston attendance and declining numbers leading to that game suggests fans probably agree. When did NW not have Ward for 3 months, Rudoni for 2 months, Lees, Konoma, Ruffells and on and on, Warnocks start to the season was not a replication of last season, throughout football attendances drop of towards Xmas whilst the weather didn’t help, however attendances are dropping but that’s been the case since we dropped out of the Prem . In the last six years all we’ve had is “ pragmatic “ football, that’s what Moores having to play and it’s little different to Corberan and Warnock, they just had slightly better squads.Moores not to blame six years of poor management are to blame, if you want to blame, blame the owners who rightly or wrongly chose not to spend THEIR own money. You aren’t wrong about the poor management of the club, however Moore isn’t completely blameless. Also Moore has had Lees available for the entirety of his time here, and at times not chose to use him. Bringing him off against Preston was a joke, at the time when you most need leaders on the pitch he dragged one of the biggest ones off, when there was worse players on the pitch. Been unfortunate with Rudoni & Ward, granted. The performances/tactics have been somewhat below the standard expected (the bar is low for the shit summer transfer window anyway) and that’s ever since Moore came in, they weren’t brilliant but they were effective under NW. Now they’re neither brilliant or effective. A perfect example would be West Brom away. Under Moore we’d not win that game & under Warnock you just never knew. |
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Post by harris on Dec 23, 2023 11:43:38 GMT 1
Those who defended Fotheringham used many of the same arguments we're reading about Moore - dealt a bad hand, give him some better players in January and see how he does, and who could do a better job. He had 18 points from his first 15 games, the 15th being a win at home to Rotherham, his high watermark, but we were still 22nd and were never out of the bottom three at any point during his time here (except maybe for 24 hours if we played a day before others in a midweek). DM so far has been as 'lucky' here as he was at Wednesday in 2020-21 in that the bottom three have fewer points than usual. 22 points from 22 games last season saw us 24th, which definitely added to the pressure on Fothers. Very true, but the problem is we’re relying on the next Wagner/Corberan coming through the door to succeed. If we don’t address the squad, the next guy will fail, then the next, then the next… |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 23, 2023 11:46:01 GMT 1
I’m no fan of Moore, but to the people calling for his head… -who the hell do we get in to do better with this squad? -what happens if the next manager does just as bad and loses their first few games? -does he not deserve at least one transfer window of squad improvement before sacking? I can’t listen to the bloke and I think the football is absolutely dour. But even I can see that he’s been dealt such a poor hand… he deserves a chance with some better players. It’s harsh, but it’s a results game. If you don’t get them your time is limited, regardless of what the circumstances are. It’s the impossible job at times. From what I have seen I wouldn’t want or trust us to bring in the right players under his watch. If our tactics are that negative (which they have been at his previous clubs, it’s worth mentioning) then it’s just never going to work. We really are sleepwalking into relegation this time. |
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Post by krtek on Dec 23, 2023 12:15:44 GMT 1
problem is, if his communication skills with the players is as bad as his pressers then it's actually a major issue going forward. And some of the gossip suggests that the players, while not particularly disliking him - don't feel he is up to the job and don't have much respect for him as a tactician. If there is even a grain of truth to this then he has to go - simple as. He's in the wrong job. We as fans can ignore the pressers, but the players are stuck with this fool for now. You know absolutely nothing about what and if the players like or respect Moore, the players are well paid ,quite a few aren’t probably upto Championship level, quite a few have missed a considerable amount of games and some players have played poorly. My info is the players are more than happy with Moore and there certainly doesn’t appear to be any lack of effort, but as I’ve alluded to above “ I wouldn’t hang a dog on the word of a footballer “. As for calling a man you’ve never met, probably more successful in probably every part of his life than you a “ fool “ , this just proves what I said, this is beyond reasonable abuse. " probably more successful in probably every part of his life" unfortunately the guy sucks shit at the HTAFC manager part of his life and that's the main metric I'm judging him on here, and ftr you don't know shit about me so don't post like you do! And don't act like fans slagging off inept fools who are failing at their well paid job is "beyond reasonable". It's all part of the fun and games and if someone is too thin skinned to accept this - then they are in the wrong job. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 12:26:36 GMT 1
Not surprising considering the torrent of abuse directed at a guy trying to do a job, where he’s got and hand very little to work with, and I’d just have a glance at the irony of your post 😉 Yet you've been directing a torrent of abuse at the previous manager for weeks. Oh, the irony. No abuse from me. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 12:28:14 GMT 1
You know absolutely nothing about what and if the players like or respect Moore, the players are well paid ,quite a few aren’t probably upto Championship level, quite a few have missed a considerable amount of games and some players have played poorly. My info is the players are more than happy with Moore and there certainly doesn’t appear to be any lack of effort, but as I’ve alluded to above “ I wouldn’t hang a dog on the word of a footballer “. As for calling a man you’ve never met, probably more successful in probably every part of his life than you a “ fool “ , this just proves what I said, this is beyond reasonable abuse. " probably more successful in probably every part of his life" unfortunately the guy sucks shit at the HTAFC manager part of his life and that's the main metric I'm judging him on here, and ftr you don't know shit about me so don't post like you do! And don't act like fans slagging off inept fools who are failing at their well paid job is "beyond reasonable". It's all part of the fun and games and if someone is too thin skinned to accept this - then they are in the wrong job. Such a well balanced post ! |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 23, 2023 12:33:32 GMT 1
He's absolute wank, Bilo. You don't have to watch it. He's fucking clueless. I'd happily pay his bus fare for an X63 to the Coop cos Bradford fans seem to be the only folk that think Moore's good (I was at our lass's works Xmas do, last week, where there were a few Chickens telling me the same) Unfortunately you’re starting to sound obsessional, worrying ! You think he's been good ? |
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Post by krtek on Dec 23, 2023 12:36:09 GMT 1
" probably more successful in probably every part of his life" unfortunately the guy sucks shit at the HTAFC manager part of his life and that's the main metric I'm judging him on here, and ftr you don't know shit about me so don't post like you do! And don't act like fans slagging off inept fools who are failing at their well paid job is "beyond reasonable". It's all part of the fun and games and if someone is too thin skinned to accept this - then they are in the wrong job. Such a well balanced post ! Given your history of posting rudely and arrogantly, it seems inappropriate for you to pass judgment on whether posts are well-balanced or not! |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 12:52:26 GMT 1
Unfortunately you’re starting to sound obsessional, worrying ! You think he's been good ? I don’t think he’s been good, however I do think he’s been dealt a tough gig, but it’s football, shit happens then it sometimes gets better then shit usually happens again, as I’ve said previously we’ve had a diet of pragmatic football since Wagner, I’m prepared to give him some time and I certainly aren’t stressing out about football, there are more important issues than abusing a person trying his best to do a job. Some of the stuff on here about Moore is beyond pathetic ,imo. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 23, 2023 12:54:22 GMT 1
Yet you've been directing a torrent of abuse at the previous manager for weeks. Oh, the irony. No abuse from me. So calling someone a twat isn't abuse? |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 12:54:26 GMT 1
Such a well balanced post ! Given your history of posting rudely and arrogantly, it seems inappropriate for you to pass judgment on whether posts are well-balanced or not! That’s your opinion, it’s always interesting to see how the under 12s view things.🥰 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 12:55:04 GMT 1
So calling someone a twat isn't abuse? Pull it up big boy. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 23, 2023 12:55:22 GMT 1
Such a well balanced post ! Given your history of posting rudely and arrogantly, it seems inappropriate for you to pass judgment on whether posts are well-balanced or not! I'm half-convinced that it's Hodgkinson, to be honest 😂 didn't he have a villa in Portugal? |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 23, 2023 12:55:59 GMT 1
So calling someone a twat isn't abuse? Pull it up big boy. No thanks, you're not my type 😘 |
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Post by krtek on Dec 23, 2023 12:58:57 GMT 1
Given your history of posting rudely and arrogantly, it seems inappropriate for you to pass judgment on whether posts are well-balanced or not! That’s your opinion, it’s always interesting to see how the under 12s view things.🥰 This was the day I got mortally felled by portugalterrier's dazzling repartee |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 13:29:31 GMT 1
No thanks, you're not my type 😘 Thought you’d have all the evidence at hand ! |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 13:30:38 GMT 1
That’s your opinion, it’s always interesting to see how the under 12s view things.🥰 This was the day I got mortally felled by portugalterrier's dazzling repartee Regrettably nothings really dazzling about your repartee. |
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Post by conman on Dec 23, 2023 13:36:20 GMT 1
No thanks, you're not my type 😘 Advantage htafcokay.. |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 23, 2023 13:38:50 GMT 1
Given your history of posting rudely and arrogantly, it seems inappropriate for you to pass judgment on whether posts are well-balanced or not! That’s your opinion, it’s always interesting to see how the under 12s view things.🥰 If you think they are under 12 it’s probably not the best idea messaging them on a forum 🤔 |
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Post by portugalterrier on Dec 23, 2023 13:50:20 GMT 1
That’s your opinion, it’s always interesting to see how the under 12s view things.🥰 If you think they are under 12 it’s probably not the best idea messaging them on a forum 🤔 That would mean I could only message about 10 ( maybe 1or2 more) posters on here. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 23, 2023 16:08:41 GMT 1
So calling someone a twat isn't abuse? He really us a hypocrit |
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Post by softboy on Dec 23, 2023 16:48:47 GMT 1
At the moment its Plymouth 1 Birmingham 2. QPR 0 Southampton 1 things can change but the Moore out must be be devastated.
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Post by terrier10 on Dec 23, 2023 16:57:14 GMT 1
At the moment its Plymouth 1 Birmingham 2. QPR 0 Southampton 1 things can change but the Moore out must be be devastated. Why would anybody wanting Moore out be devastated by the results and league position at the end of today? It’s what is on display on the pitch that seems to be the biggest gripe. Currently on for another draw to take it to 2 wins out of 16 (12.5% win rate) and 15 points from 16… Can easily change either way but that’s another half of football where we have failed to register a shot on target. |
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Post by harris on Dec 23, 2023 16:59:31 GMT 1
At the moment its Plymouth 1 Birmingham 2. QPR 0 Southampton 1 things can change but the Moore out must be be devastated. Why would anybody wanting Moore out be devastated by the results and league position at the end of today? It’s what is on display on the pitch that seems to be the biggest gripe. Currently on for another draw to take it to 2 wins out of 16 (12.5% win rate) and 15 points from 16… Can easily change either way but that’s another half of football where we have failed to register a shot on target. Can guarantee there’s a large proportion of people that would rather us lose today and sack Moore than win/draw |
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Post by waggers on Dec 23, 2023 17:16:43 GMT 1
At the moment its Plymouth 1 Birmingham 2. QPR 0 Southampton 1 things can change but the Moore out must be be devastated. I want Moore out, didn't want him appointed in the first place. But why on earth would I be devastated if we got a point? Ludicrous comment. |
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2023 17:28:52 GMT 1
At the moment its Plymouth 1 Birmingham 2. QPR 0 Southampton 1 things can change but the Moore out must be be devastated. Why would anybody wanting Moore out be devastated by the results and league position at the end of today? It’s what is on display on the pitch that seems to be the biggest gripe. Currently on for another draw to take it to 2 wins out of 16 (12.5% win rate) and 15 points from 16… Can easily change either way but that’s another half of football where we have failed to register a shot on target. The win rate of 12.5% will be even lower if we lose this one. I’m not sure what Moore has to do get the sack beyond this. Take a massive dump on Kev’s desk maybe? |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Dec 23, 2023 17:39:49 GMT 1
Weak squad or not get this clown out
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Post by davethesprout on Dec 23, 2023 17:51:49 GMT 1
Weak squad or not get this clown out Get him out ffs , Warnock had a weak squad as well tbf , take bloody Cartwright with him as well Been supporting TOWN 65 years , been some awful managers , Super Mac , Bobby Collins , Wadsworth , the list goes on . Not going to watch the scores , rather read a book , or owt ,this Man was never right for our club , as for Nagle , Useless , stay in the USA buddy boy ! , your team SUCKS ! |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Dec 23, 2023 17:56:51 GMT 1
You think he's been good ? I don’t think he’s been good, however I do think he’s been dealt a tough gig, but it’s football, shit happens then it sometimes gets better then shit usually happens again, as I’ve said previously we’ve had a diet of pragmatic football since Wagner, I’m prepared to give him some time and I certainly aren’t stressing out about football, there are more important issues than abusing a person trying his best to do a job. Some of the stuff on here about Moore is beyond pathetic ,imo. How long are you prepared to give him PT? Genuine question |
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Post by willo on Dec 23, 2023 17:59:22 GMT 1
For the love of God, please get rid now before any further damage is inflicted. It’s not working, it hasn’t worked from the start and it won’t work anytime soon.
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