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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 24, 2023 18:46:41 GMT 1
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Post by stevvy on Dec 24, 2023 18:51:22 GMT 1
It's a good point. You can have a bad run due to a bit of bad luck (wrong decisions, mistakes, keepers having a blinder a few times, half a dozen of your best players being injured at once), in which case you think it'll change eventually. Or, you have a bad run like we've had, with no effort to attack or to score goals or to win games, negative tactics, and nothing to make you think it'll change any time soon. We are not unlucky to lose.. All the defeats have not been close run things. The wins were very close run things. Its not as if you can see the improvements of the progress.. One shot on target in 90 odd minutes is only an improvement on zero. The time the opposition spend in possession in our half/last third and touches in our box is huge. Shots on/off target is far too big a number. The law of averages means you can get away with 16 plus shots, often more, 70% possession for the opposition, has been more, a large percentage of it in our last third etc, but getting away with it is what it is and when you seem to have it as the only discernible tactic you are more likely to lose than not.? Oh I know we're not unlucky if we lose, I was more implying that there's 2 ways to lose, or at least 2 ways to be on a bad run. Either for the reasons mentioned that, to a degree, can explain it (so not the case for us), or because you're just not very good, not trying to win, negative tactics, nonsensical decisions etc, which is the case for us |
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Post by townarentbest on Dec 24, 2023 18:53:12 GMT 1
What the club and us as fans, have to ask is only one question for me. Q. Would any other club , allow this type of record go on ? I would say they would not, therefore why should we ? what has Moore done to even suggest its going to change even slightly ? How many of Millwall, Rotherham, Wycombe, Carlisle, Exeter, Salford, Swindon, Sutton, Forest, Palace and Burnley have allowed a worst record than ours over the last 10 games to go without change? I reckon its 80%+ of them? |
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Post by stinkypete on Dec 24, 2023 18:56:20 GMT 1
Someone said it a while ago, that Moore has an arrogance about him where he believes he won’t be getting sacked no matter what!
I really wanted it to work out but the football is appalling and he appears to have zero respect towards the fans , just can’t take to him at all.
Almost feels like he taking the piss tbh!
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Post by waggers on Dec 24, 2023 18:56:27 GMT 1
I can never understand why clubs/owners get themselves into positions where it costs them a fortune to get rid of poorly performing manager. Fair enough if the manager is a top name and hugely in demand, but the likes of Fotheringham and Moore? Moore has an entourage for some reason so his sacking will cost a few quid. I agree though I have no idea how we as a club got ourselves in this mess. I don't think Nagle will sack the suits who assured him Moore was a great shout to replace Warnock, due to them only being in their positions for s short time he'll leave them. The appointment and sacking of Foz will have been a lot cheaper than the Moore fiasco. As long as Moore is sacked before he gets us relegated. Any more games past Blackburn and I think we're done. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 24, 2023 19:11:56 GMT 1
I can never understand why clubs/owners get themselves into positions where it costs them a fortune to get rid of poorly performing manager. Fair enough if the manager is a top name and hugely in demand, but the likes of Fotheringham and Moore? Moore has an entourage for some reason so his sacking will cost a few quid. I agree though I have no idea how we as a club got ourselves in this mess. I don't think Nagle will sack the suits who assured him Moore was a great shout to replace Warnock, due to them only being in their positions for s short time he'll leave them. The appointment and sacking of Foz will have been a lot cheaper than the Moore fiasco. As long as Moore is sacked before he gets us relegated. Any more games past Blackburn and I think we're done. A Plymouth season ticket holder lives near me (yes, unbelievable). Great Guy and saw him yesterday. His view (which is of course not representative of their fan base) is get Warnock in to secure safety this season. They obviously know where he lives and his affection for that Club, him going to matches regular. That would be them safe. He also said that (with all due respect) he hopes Town carry on as we are with Moore, as this will be two relegation spots secured between us and Rotherham. They only have one spot then to avoid. I don't disagree. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 24, 2023 21:35:55 GMT 1
What the club and us as fans, have to ask is only one question for me. Q. Would any other club , allow this type of record go on ? I would say they would not, therefore why should we ? what has Moore done to even suggest its going to change even slightly ? How many of Millwall, Rotherham, Wycombe, Carlisle, Exeter, Salford, Swindon, Sutton, Forest, Palace and Burnley have allowed a worst record than ours over the last 10 games to go without change? I reckon its 80%+ of them? The consequences of a bad or very bad run of form depend much on where the club was when it started. Had we another 5 or 6 points when Moore took over then he may well have another couple of months to 'progress'. Of course the form of the 3 below us is also key. However which ever way you look at it 2 wins in so many games would almost certainly see a sacking or serious board concern at any professional club. Maybe our 3 year plan has full contingencies for relegation already built in?. |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 24, 2023 22:34:22 GMT 1
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Post by ram on Dec 25, 2023 10:53:53 GMT 1
I turned this off as soon as Hartick contradicted Matt about Sorba down the middle. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 26, 2023 19:11:50 GMT 1
Hey Darren,
Play to draw, we lose.
Play to win, we win.
Bloody obvious Darren, innit?!
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 26, 2023 20:49:50 GMT 1
Hey Darren, Play to draw, we lose. Play to win, we win. Bloody obvious Darren, innit?! It is. If every manager played to win, they'd win every game. Oh, hang on a minute...... |
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Post by conman on Dec 27, 2023 11:20:41 GMT 1
Only came on as it had moved down to No10 in the post charts . One good win doesn't make one bit of difference in my eyes . He still needs to go .
We've got a half decent bunch of players , a half decent manager will improve that.. Walking down the tunnel at the end did it for me , no communication with the fans whatsoever.. Get shut quick..
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 27, 2023 11:27:33 GMT 1
Up to 2 weeks ago, when Moore came out at the start of the game, the first thing he did was applaud the fans .
He’s receiving criticism from everywhere so I’m not surprised at all if he walked down the tunnel straight after the game.
The “toxicity “ that some keep mentioning was not evident to me at all yesterday and the crowd largely got behind the team for the whole game.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Dec 27, 2023 11:31:14 GMT 1
Up to 2 weeks ago, when Moore came out at the start of the game, the first thing he did was applaud the fans . He’s receiving criticism from everywhere so I’m not surprised at all if he walked down the tunnel straight after the game. The “toxicity “ that some keep mentioning was not evident to me at all yesterday and the crowd largely got behind the team for the whole game. I’m no fan of Moore (willing to be proved wrong as he ain’t going anywhere any time soon) but he didn’t just walk down the tunnel - he applauded the crowd first. Had he gone over to the south stand, he would no doubt have been accused of over celebrating - I’d say it is more likely that he has read the room. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 27, 2023 11:37:15 GMT 1
Up to 2 weeks ago, when Moore came out at the start of the game, the first thing he did was applaud the fans . He’s receiving criticism from everywhere so I’m not surprised at all if he walked down the tunnel straight after the game. The “toxicity “ that some keep mentioning was not evident to me at all yesterday and the crowd largely got behind the team for the whole game. I’m no fan of Moore (willing to be proved wrong as he ain’t going anywhere any time soon) but he didn’t just walk down the tunnel - he applauded the crowd first. Had he gone over to the south stand, he would no doubt have been accused of over celebrating - I’d say it is more likely that he has read the room. m Pleased to hear that these stories of him walking off are fabricated. I didn’t see this as I was on my way out. The same with the “stories” of things being toxic. I was in the Legends Bar , 2 hours before kick off and must have walked past hundreds of people yesterday- I didn’t hear one person being “toxic”. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Dec 27, 2023 11:43:14 GMT 1
I’m no fan of Moore (willing to be proved wrong as he ain’t going anywhere any time soon) but he didn’t just walk down the tunnel - he applauded the crowd first. Had he gone over to the south stand, he would no doubt have been accused of over celebrating - I’d say it is more likely that he has read the room. m Pleased to hear that these stories of him walking off are fabricated. I didn’t see this as I was on my way out. The same with the “stories” of things being toxic. I was in the Legends Bar , 2 hours before kick off and must have walked past hundreds of people yesterday- I didn’t hear one person being “toxic”. It’s just a phrase people repeat, trying to fit in with everyone else, bit of social acceptance. A lot of these people want things to go wrong, so they can be right. In real life, actually being at the game, there was nothing of the sort and it was a great day at the office. Long may it continue. |
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Post by +Transformed+ on Dec 27, 2023 12:06:24 GMT 1
I've not been his biggest fan, but I was impressed with how Darren Moore spoke and came across in his post-victory interview with Raj Bains yesterday. It would have been easy for him to get carried away with the win and have a go at all his recent critics: he didn't. He was still analytical and "structured".
For me, he can continue to act as boring as he wants in future, so long as Town are set up and continue to play in the manner they beat Blackburn.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 27, 2023 12:19:04 GMT 1
m Pleased to hear that these stories of him walking off are fabricated. I didn’t see this as I was on my way out. The same with the “stories” of things being toxic. I was in the Legends Bar , 2 hours before kick off and must have walked past hundreds of people yesterday- I didn’t hear one person being “toxic”. It’s just a phrase people repeat, trying to fit in with everyone else, bit of social acceptance. A lot of these people want things to go wrong, so they can be right. In real life, actually being at the game, there was nothing of the sort and it was a great day at the office. Long may it continue. Even if a LOT of people appeared to be "working from home". |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 27, 2023 12:21:26 GMT 1
Really glad we won. Really happy for Moore and the team.
Really hope this is a turning point, but let’s see.
Still not convinced he’s the right man and fit for Town but will he really, really happy to be proven wrong.
UTFT
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Post by dalesterrier on Dec 27, 2023 12:24:34 GMT 1
Really glad we won. Really happy for Moore and the team. Really hope this is a turning point, but let’s see. Still not convinced he’s the right man and fit for Town but will he really, really happy to be proven wrong. UTFT This! For me Friday is even more important now...can he back up yesterday's result? If it goes back to previous performances then nothing really has changed. Steven Chicken states in his five conclusions that it buys him time until mid January...think that's probably right |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Dec 27, 2023 13:20:42 GMT 1
Really glad we won. Really happy for Moore and the team. Really hope this is a turning point, but let’s see. Still not convinced he’s the right man and fit for Town but will he really, really happy to be proven wrong. UTFT Yeah, of course you will. So will I. So will all of those who criticised him. Tough shout for Big Kev though...a couple of losses may have given him an easier route? Still, that's why he's the owner and we scurvy lot aren't? |
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Post by conman on Dec 27, 2023 15:10:12 GMT 1
m Pleased to hear that these stories of him walking off are fabricated. I didn’t see this as I was on my way out. The same with the “stories” of things being toxic. I was in the Legends Bar , 2 hours before kick off and must have walked past hundreds of people yesterday- I didn’t hear one person being “toxic”. It’s just a phrase people repeat, trying to fit in with everyone else, bit of social acceptance. A lot of these people want things to go wrong, so they can be right. In real life, actually being at the game, there was nothing of the sort and it was a great day at the office. Long may it continue. A lot of these people? I can't take to the bloke , I don't think he'll succeed as Huddersfield towns manager. But I'm 100% hoping he does and proves me wrong . So I'm not one of those people who want us to lose , if I was I wouldn't have gone down yesterday.. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 27, 2023 15:57:51 GMT 1
Wonder if he knew it could have been last chance saloon so thought 'fuck it' and took the shackles off. It will be interesting to see if he carries this on against a hit and miss 'boro or if he will bring back his crap tactics.
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Post by conman on Dec 27, 2023 17:42:24 GMT 1
Wonder if he knew it could have been last chance saloon so thought 'fuck it' and took the shackles off. It will be interesting to see if he carries this on against a hit and miss 'boro or if he will bring back his crap tactics. If he does the latter , the boo boys will have a field day.. |
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Post by waggers on Dec 27, 2023 17:56:19 GMT 1
Wonder if he knew it could have been last chance saloon so thought 'fuck it' and took the shackles off. It will be interesting to see if he carries this on against a hit and miss 'boro or if he will bring back his crap tactics. If he does the latter , the boo boys will have a field day.. The 'boo boys' have every right to criticise the tripe he's persevered with for the majority of his tenure. It was dragging down not just the team, but the club as a whole and the fans. I think he will learn from the Blackburn game and set up to play the same way, at least against teams who are plodding around mid - lower end of the table. This is Moore's chance to set a new foundation. I hope he does. |
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Post by Towner47 on Dec 27, 2023 18:15:39 GMT 1
Sick to teeth of this thread .I really hope he proves all you miserable vitriolic lot wrong
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Post by rockwall on Dec 27, 2023 18:47:56 GMT 1
Sick to teeth of this thread .I really hope he proves all you miserable vitriolic lot wrong I want some of what you're having if recent results apart from yesterday didn't make you miserable. |
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Post by conman on Dec 27, 2023 18:55:35 GMT 1
Sick to teeth of this thread .I really hope he proves all you miserable vitriolic lot wrong I really hope he does too . I'd be the first to admit I was wrong if it all works out for the best . Would you , if it all went tits up ? |
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Post by Rambo on Dec 27, 2023 18:56:48 GMT 1
Oh my days, you're all off your heads.
Blackburn are a shocking side!
Fortunately the team got at them and we had a bit of luck with the goals.
I have absolutely no doubt that DM didn't instigate that win.
He's not the man for the job and needs to go pronto.
The longer he's at the club the worse it'll be for all of us. Painfully dire.
Honestly don't understand where these magic players are coming from that he's going to be instrumental in signing that will make an immediate impact and propel us up the league and deliver this attacking front foot football we are waiting for.
Give your heads a shake...
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 19:16:18 GMT 1
Oh my days, you're all off your heads. Blackburn are a shocking side! Fortunately the team got at them and we had a bit of luck with the goals. I have absolutely no doubt that DM didn't instigate that win. He's not the man for the job and needs to go pronto. The longer he's at the club the worse it'll be for all of us. Painfully dire. Honestly don't understand where these magic players are coming from that he's going to be instrumental in signing that will make an immediate impact and propel us up the league and deliver this attacking front foot football we are waiting for. Give your heads a shake... So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 |
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