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Post by htafcokay on Dec 27, 2023 19:24:19 GMT 1
Oh my days, you're all off your heads. Blackburn are a shocking side! Fortunately the team got at them and we had a bit of luck with the goals. I have absolutely no doubt that DM didn't instigate that win. He's not the man for the job and needs to go pronto. The longer he's at the club the worse it'll be for all of us. Painfully dire. Honestly don't understand where these magic players are coming from that he's going to be instrumental in signing that will make an immediate impact and propel us up the league and deliver this attacking front foot football we are waiting for. Give your heads a shake... So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 Only the same as in 2021-22 when the squad was being labelled a League One, League Two and sometimes even a Conference side and every time we won it was because of Corberan being a genius and nowt to do with the players. |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 27, 2023 19:27:15 GMT 1
So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 Only the same as in 2021-22 when the squad was being labelled a League One, League Two and sometimes even a Conference side and every time we won it was because of Corberan being a genius and nowt to do with the players. Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! |
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Post by Rambo on Dec 27, 2023 19:28:18 GMT 1
Oh my days, you're all off your heads. Blackburn are a shocking side! Fortunately the team got at them and we had a bit of luck with the goals. I have absolutely no doubt that DM didn't instigate that win. He's not the man for the job and needs to go pronto. The longer he's at the club the worse it'll be for all of us. Painfully dire. Honestly don't understand where these magic players are coming from that he's going to be instrumental in signing that will make an immediate impact and propel us up the league and deliver this attacking front foot football we are waiting for. Give your heads a shake... So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 You got it pal! We won't beat Middlesbrough. We got lucky versus Blackburn with our shots squirming beneath the keeper, etc. They are such a terrible side. But you can kid yourself that, that one result is the turning point of our season and all is well. |
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 19:28:26 GMT 1
So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 Only the same as in 2021-22 when the squad was being labelled a League One, League Two and sometimes even a Conference side and every time we won it was because of Corberan being a genius and nowt to do with the players. Fortunately there weren’t too many losses to worry about. Take me back! |
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 19:34:54 GMT 1
So what you’re saying is… when we lose it’s Moore’s fault, and when we win it’s nothing to do with him? Seems like a completely balanced point of view 👍 You got it pal! We won't beat Middlesbrough. We got lucky versus Blackburn with our shots squirming beneath the keeper, etc. They are such a terrible side. But you can kid yourself that, that one result is the turning point of our season and all is well. 17 played under Moore - 3 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses. Now imagine we add 4 or 5 quality players and turn some of those draws to wins, some of those losses to draws, fans get behind them, players get more confident… suddenly we’re flying up the table. I don’t like the style, I don’t like his interviews, I’ve left a few of the games under him before half time. But I’ll keep repeating it - the problem is much deeper rooted than Moore. We are where we are and he’s doing about as well as is possible in my opinion. I suppose you’ll be on here to credit him if we beat Boro? |
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Dec 27, 2023 19:39:11 GMT 1
I believe in the manager fitting the Town (not just the club).
Wagner and Warnock are perfect examples of this - and when it works, it's golden. Klopp at Liverpool is another example.
Carlos did terrific - but he was never a fit.
Moore seemed like a good fit for Wednesday - but I don't see it working with us.
Huddersfield Town needs a character, someone the fans can laugh with, someone we believe is cut from the same cloth.
This might seem a million miles away from tactics, but I see it as critically important to the club's fabric.
One of the complex parts of new ownership is that they are also getting to grips with how the club and the people who support it operate.
I have no doubt that they have the club's best interests at heart, and in Moore, they felt like they were making a solid decision - but I don't think it will last due to the chemistry.
Hopefully, the ownership is seeing this and doesn't put too much into Moore's picks and players - tough spot to be in.
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Post by Rambo on Dec 27, 2023 19:45:08 GMT 1
You got it pal! We won't beat Middlesbrough. We got lucky versus Blackburn with our shots squirming beneath the keeper, etc. They are such a terrible side. But you can kid yourself that, that one result is the turning point of our season and all is well. 17 played under Moore - 3 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses. Now imagine we add 4 or 5 quality players and turn some of those draws to wins, some of those losses to draws, fans get behind them, players get more confident… suddenly we’re flying up the table. I don’t like the style, I don’t like his interviews, I’ve left a few of the games under him before half time. But I’ll keep repeating it - the problem is much deeper routed than Moore. We are where we are and he’s doing about as well as is possible in my opinion. I suppose you’ll be on here to credit him if we beat Boro? Nope. I don't feel I need to do that. You've just presented his Huddersfield Town statistics right there. It's not good enough and I don't care what ypu say about the squad. It's good enough. Warnock proved that towards the end of last season. Yes the summer transfer window was a shitshow, but I would really like you to tell me who these 4 or 5 quality players are that are going to sign for us. Its about the management of the players and to be honest with you, I'm completely uninspired with our current manager. We were shit under Fotheringham and Schofield before him. We were at an all time low and heading for League 1. Everyone was resigned to it. Warnock came in and performed a miracle and more than that gave me my club back. We're now back where we were 12 months ago. It's been said before. It's horrific and seemingly we.just do the same thing over and over. It's boring. Our manager doesn't inspire me. We need a change. |
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Post by Sio on Dec 27, 2023 19:50:06 GMT 1
I believe in the manager fitting the Town (not just the club). Wagner and Warnock are perfect examples of this - and when it works, it's golden. Klopp at Liverpool is another example. Carlos did terrific - but he was never a fit. Moore seemed like a good fit for Wednesday - but I don't see it working with us. Huddersfield Town needs a character, someone the fans can laugh with, someone we believe is cut from the same cloth. This might seem a million miles away from tactics, but I see it as critically important to the club's fabric. One of the complex parts of new ownership is that they are also getting to grips with how the club and the people who support it operate. I have no doubt that they have the club's best interests at heart, and in Moore, they felt like they were making a solid decision - but I don't think it will last due to the chemistry. Hopefully, the ownership is seeing this and doesn't put too much into Moore's picks and players - tough spot to be in. Bang on for me, this. Carlos had the tactical acumen to make up for his lack of personality. Can Moore prove us wrong in that he does too? |
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 20:01:32 GMT 1
17 played under Moore - 3 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses. Now imagine we add 4 or 5 quality players and turn some of those draws to wins, some of those losses to draws, fans get behind them, players get more confident… suddenly we’re flying up the table. I don’t like the style, I don’t like his interviews, I’ve left a few of the games under him before half time. But I’ll keep repeating it - the problem is much deeper routed than Moore. We are where we are and he’s doing about as well as is possible in my opinion. I suppose you’ll be on here to credit him if we beat Boro? Nope. I don't feel I need to do that. You've just presented his Huddersfield Town statistics right there. It's not good enough and I don't care what ypu say about the squad. It's good enough. Warnock proved that towards the end of last season. Yes the summer transfer window was a shitshow, but I would really like you to tell me who these 4 or 5 quality players are that are going to sign for us. Its about the management of the players and to be honest with you, I'm completely uninspired with our current manager. We were shit under Fotheringham and Schofield before him. We were at an all time low and heading for League 1. Everyone was resigned to it. Warnock came in and performed a miracle and more than that gave me my club back. We're now back where we were 12 months ago. It's been said before. It's horrific and seemingly we.just do the same thing over and over. It's boring. Our manager doesn't inspire me. We need a change. Thought so. The stats and point I was trying to make is that we’re actually competitive and can get results. And that’s with a below par squad full of kids and a season full of injury crises. If we can add players that allow us to play a better style, then we will. I’m 100% certain of that. Re the players - I’m sure the recruitment team whose full time job it is to find additions undoubtedly have been working hard on preparing signings for January. Who’d heard of Burgzorg before he came? These players are out there and we’ve shown we can find them. Now we have the chance this window to put a bit of money in and sign a few more. |
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Post by Rambo on Dec 27, 2023 20:41:06 GMT 1
Nope. I don't feel I need to do that. You've just presented his Huddersfield Town statistics right there. It's not good enough and I don't care what ypu say about the squad. It's good enough. Warnock proved that towards the end of last season. Yes the summer transfer window was a shitshow, but I would really like you to tell me who these 4 or 5 quality players are that are going to sign for us. Its about the management of the players and to be honest with you, I'm completely uninspired with our current manager. We were shit under Fotheringham and Schofield before him. We were at an all time low and heading for League 1. Everyone was resigned to it. Warnock came in and performed a miracle and more than that gave me my club back. We're now back where we were 12 months ago. It's been said before. It's horrific and seemingly we.just do the same thing over and over. It's boring. Our manager doesn't inspire me. We need a change. Thought so. The stats and point I was trying to make is that we’re actually competitive and can get results. And that’s with a below par squad full of kids and a season full of injury crises. If we can add players that allow us to play a better style, then we will. I’m 100% certain of that. Re the players - I’m sure the recruitment team whose full time job it is to find additions undoubtedly have been working hard on preparing signings for January. Who’d heard of Burgzorg before he came? These players are out there and we’ve shown we can find them. Now we have the chance this window to put a bit of money in and sign a few more. Thought so? Let's see what rabbits they pull out hey? |
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 20:49:02 GMT 1
Thought so. The stats and point I was trying to make is that we’re actually competitive and can get results. And that’s with a below par squad full of kids and a season full of injury crises. If we can add players that allow us to play a better style, then we will. I’m 100% certain of that. Re the players - I’m sure the recruitment team whose full time job it is to find additions undoubtedly have been working hard on preparing signings for January. Who’d heard of Burgzorg before he came? These players are out there and we’ve shown we can find them. Now we have the chance this window to put a bit of money in and sign a few more. Thought so? Let's see what rabbits they pull out hey? That was in response to you saying you wouldn’t give Moore any credit if we beat Boro. Which is utterly ridiculous. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Dec 27, 2023 20:53:46 GMT 1
Sack DM ?! No way. He's by far our best manager since Neil Warnock left !
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Post by Rambo on Dec 27, 2023 20:56:44 GMT 1
Thought so? Let's see what rabbits they pull out hey? That was in response to you saying you wouldn’t give Moore any credit if we beat Boro. Which is utterly ridiculous. Why is it utterly ridiculous? In your opinion? |
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Post by rubicon on Dec 27, 2023 20:58:22 GMT 1
I believe in the manager fitting the Town (not just the club). Wagner and Warnock are perfect examples of this - and when it works, it's golden. Klopp at Liverpool is another example. Carlos did terrific - but he was never a fit. Moore seemed like a good fit for Wednesday - but I don't see it working with us. Huddersfield Town needs a character, someone the fans can laugh with, someone we believe is cut from the same cloth. This might seem a million miles away from tactics, but I see it as critically important to the club's fabric. One of the complex parts of new ownership is that they are also getting to grips with how the club and the people who support it operate. I have no doubt that they have the club's best interests at heart, and in Moore, they felt like they were making a solid decision - but I don't think it will last due to the chemistry. Hopefully, the ownership is seeing this and doesn't put too much into Moore's picks and players - tough spot to be in. Completely agree. Warnock has at least affection for our club, sure he has for others too, but not all he's managed. Wagner sas doing xmas videos and running down the pitch every five minutes, loved every bit of his time here until that 2nd Prem season. Darren Moore, like others in the past seems to have no sense or feeling for our club whatsoever. Look I'm not saying it's impossible, some managers can transform any team almost, look at Clough at Derby and Forest, as close as us and Wednesday, but Moore seems to have no interest in HTFC whatsoever, and without that he's nothing.....so far at least. Oh and yes I know Clough "failed" supposedly at Leeds, but only due to the players who never gave him a chance. Most clubs players give a new manager at least a fair crack of the whip. I can't see myself joining the Moore bandwagon under any circumstance at the moment, it's his job to prove me wrong. |
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Post by harris on Dec 27, 2023 21:05:41 GMT 1
That was in response to you saying you wouldn’t give Moore any credit if we beat Boro. Which is utterly ridiculous. Why is it utterly ridiculous? In your opinion? Because you’ve already decided that even if we win, it’s not because of anything good the manager has done, 2 days before the game has been played. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 27, 2023 21:15:43 GMT 1
Only the same as in 2021-22 when the squad was being labelled a League One, League Two and sometimes even a Conference side and every time we won it was because of Corberan being a genius and nowt to do with the players. Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! You've said on here that he's the best manager we've ever had. Sorry if I take anything you say about him with a pinch of salt. |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 27, 2023 21:20:57 GMT 1
Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! You've said on here that he's the best manager we've ever had. Sorry if I take anything you say about him with a pinch of salt. You know nothing about football, so the feeling is mutual. For the record, we also have the worst goal difference in the football league over the last 10 years (-177). Guess the odd season out. For the players we had and what he got out of them, who has been better in living memory? Remember, the squad has got worse every season since the Premier League adventure. You can’t even argue we had better players. Only one has gone on to a higher level (Toffolo bizarrely, Colwill if we count his loan as a young lad). |
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Post by bentley316 on Dec 27, 2023 21:23:22 GMT 1
Moore doesnt seem like a tactical genius to me. He seems like the type of manager that builds a relationship with a squad and gets them performing through that relationship.
I've seen it in a couple of players already, hopefully that continues to bloom. The problem isnt our first 11. Its the depth after that. When you only have 12 or 13 championship quality players, there is a lot less room to change your tactics mid game, which also doesnt help Moore one bit.
In January we dont need a massive influx of incredible flair players. We need 3 or 4 proven Championship players we can use to change things up.
Id take an Aaron Mooy or a Smith Rowe but i think all we need are options to make changes in game.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 27, 2023 21:29:24 GMT 1
Only the same as in 2021-22 when the squad was being labelled a League One, League Two and sometimes even a Conference side and every time we won it was because of Corberan being a genius and nowt to do with the players. Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! We're top of one, anyway |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 27, 2023 21:32:05 GMT 1
Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! We're top of one, anyway Yep, cheers Deano! |
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 27, 2023 21:40:27 GMT 1
I believe in the manager fitting the Town (not just the club). Wagner and Warnock are perfect examples of this - and when it works, it's golden. Klopp at Liverpool is another example. Carlos did terrific - but he was never a fit. Moore seemed like a good fit for Wednesday - but I don't see it working with us. Huddersfield Town needs a character, someone the fans can laugh with, someone we believe is cut from the same cloth. This might seem a million miles away from tactics, but I see it as critically important to the club's fabric. One of the complex parts of new ownership is that they are also getting to grips with how the club and the people who support it operate. I have no doubt that they have the club's best interests at heart, and in Moore, they felt like they were making a solid decision - but I don't think it will last due to the chemistry. Hopefully, the ownership is seeing this and doesn't put too much into Moore's picks and players - tough spot to be in. Bang on for me, this. Carlos had the tactical acumen to make up for his lack of personality. Can Moore prove us wrong in that he does too? Didnt Carlos go something like 20 games without a win in his first season? If it wasn't for having an empty stadium I think it woukd have been so toxic he'd never have turned it around to make a second season. Warnock performed a miracle. But he didn't have an injury crisis like we've had since he left and the win against Rotherham before he left was far from convincing and the last game under him v Stoke was as bad as anything else this season. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 27, 2023 21:49:21 GMT 1
You've said on here that he's the best manager we've ever had. Sorry if I take anything you say about him with a pinch of salt. You know nothing about football, so the feeling is mutual. For the record, we also have the worst goal difference in the football league over the last 10 years (-177). Guess the odd season out. For the players we had and what he got out of them, who has been better in living memory? Remember, the squad has got worse every season since the Premier League adventure. You can’t even argue we had better players. Only one has gone on to a higher level (Toffolo bizarrely, Colwill if we count his loan as a young lad). You know about as much as me if you think Carlos Corberan is the best manager we've ever had 😂 |
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Post by workshyfop on Dec 27, 2023 21:52:24 GMT 1
You know nothing about football, so the feeling is mutual. For the record, we also have the worst goal difference in the football league over the last 10 years (-177). Guess the odd season out. For the players we had and what he got out of them, who has been better in living memory? Remember, the squad has got worse every season since the Premier League adventure. You can’t even argue we had better players. Only one has gone on to a higher level (Toffolo bizarrely, Colwill if we count his loan as a young lad). You know about as much as me if you think Carlos Corberan is the best manager we've ever had 😂 Who’s been better in our lifetime? Genuinely interested. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 27, 2023 21:54:08 GMT 1
You know about as much as me if you think Carlos Corberan is the best manager we've ever had 😂 Who’s been better in our lifetime? Genuinely interested. The fella that took a team up on the 23rd lowest budget in the league and then kept it up the following season about three years before Corberan arrived. And why is it lifetime now? You said the best manager ever, before. If you said he was one of the better managers in recent times you'd have a point, but to say he's the best ever is laughable. |
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Post by softboy on Dec 27, 2023 21:55:00 GMT 1
You got it pal! We won't beat Middlesbrough. We got lucky versus Blackburn with our shots squirming beneath the keeper, etc. They are such a terrible side. But you can kid yourself that, that one result is the turning point of our season and all is well. 17 played under Moore - 3 wins, 8 draws, 6 losses. Now imagine we add 4 or 5 quality players and turn some of those draws to wins, some of those losses to draws, fans get behind them, players get more confident… suddenly we’re flying up the table. I don’t like the style, I don’t like his interviews, I’ve left a few of the games under him before half time. But I’ll keep repeating it - the problem is much deeper rooted than Moore. We are where we are and he’s doing about as well as is possible in my opinion. I suppose you’ll be on here to credit him if we beat Boro? |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 27, 2023 21:55:49 GMT 1
Bang on for me, this. Carlos had the tactical acumen to make up for his lack of personality. Can Moore prove us wrong in that he does too? Didnt Carlos go something like 20 games without a win in his first season? If it wasn't for having an empty stadium I think it woukd have been so toxic he'd never have turned it around to make a second season. Warnock performed a miracle. But he didn't have an injury crisis like we've had since he left and the win against Rotherham before he left was far from convincing and the last game under him v Stoke was as bad as anything else this season. Which game were you watching if you think the Rotherham win was "far from convincing". We didn't give Rotherham a kick. |
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Post by softboy on Dec 27, 2023 21:57:13 GMT 1
So under Moore we have got 17 points from 17 games and under NW 8 from the previous 7. Can see why people want Moore out. That collapse in form is horrific!
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Post by reverendstarbuck on Dec 27, 2023 21:58:32 GMT 1
Which he was. Over the past five years, we have lost 96 games (fifth worst in the country). If it wasn’t for CC somehow getting that squad to finish third, we’d be top by a mile! We're top of one, anyway That's an absolutely staggering stat. You really don't need to dig any deeper to understand the general mood/apathy of the fanbase right now. -177 says it all |
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Post by softboy on Dec 27, 2023 22:00:56 GMT 1
But we pulled 3 back on Saturday.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Dec 27, 2023 22:07:43 GMT 1
That's an absolutely staggering stat. You really don't need to dig any deeper to understand the general mood/apathy of the fanbase right now. -177 says it all I blame Cartwright… |
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