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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 20, 2024 21:00:59 GMT 1
He isn't going anywhere. Nagle isn't going to back him with four new signings and then sack him after one league game using them. Be realistic. I agree - it's awful and I'm as keen to get rid of him as the next man, but it just isn't going to happen any time soon. More's the pity. They aren’t Moore’s signings. I don’t for one minute believe these players have been brought in with Moore in Mind. Personally I think he will be sacked if we don’t win next game. Sacked if he doesn’t win the next game?. We have been saying that for months but nothing changes. It’s a fucking disgrace and the Clubs backing of him is going to smash to pieces any potential feel good / good work of Nagle. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jan 20, 2024 21:01:35 GMT 1
So he's basically leaving tomorrow and has told Edwards and Cartwright that Moore has to win next week or he's sacked. I don't want Moore in charge of Town any more but that diary is just too candid. Other managers will look at that and be put right off.To some extent, I agree. But, I don't think the diaries, will continue too much longer. I think they're happening more often now or so because he's over here. I don't think they will be daily, let alone weekly. More so monthly, and or/quarterly when he's back stateside. But, the fans asked for more communication, more transparency, more directness. He's given that. He's very much an open book in terms of thoughts. He says what a lot of folk think and/or are wanting him to say. I think him applying pressure is a good thing. Either fix up or part ways, which is fair. |
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Post by seanyd1brit on Jan 20, 2024 21:02:31 GMT 1
So he's basically leaving tomorrow and has told Edwards and Cartwright that Moore has to win next week or he's sacked. I don't want Moore in charge of Town any more but that diary is just too candid. Other managers will look at that and be put right off. That’s exactly how I took it as well. I’ve tried really hard not to give up on Moore but I just don’t see any evidence that he’s got a clue. I agree Kev’s candor could put other managers off, but I’m not sure I care anymore. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jan 20, 2024 21:04:58 GMT 1
I think Mrs Dave has said something along the lines of ‘if you’re gonna spend the next 15 minutes talking to the Kevster about that shitty English soccer team, you can do it from the bastard garage’.
Poor bloke looked frozen.
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Post by terrier10 on Jan 20, 2024 21:21:11 GMT 1
I’m hoping and clinging onto the “we have to win our next game…” as a sign that the best chance of that happening is to have a new Manager in place for that game!
Just don’t see any point in “one more game to prove yourself”
If the doubts are there (as I’m sure they were before he came over at the beginning of the month but he has publicly said the right things about the poor hand dealt etc) then we just need to hold our hands up, thank Moore for his efforts and move on.
He very deliberately commented on DM being a lovely bloke but there was a distinct frustration at our set up, ability to pass the ball and how conservative we have been.
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Post by omegasupreme on Jan 20, 2024 21:26:44 GMT 1
They aren’t Moore’s signings. I don’t for one minute believe these players have been brought in with Moore in Mind. Personally I think he will be sacked if we don’t win next game. Sacked if he doesn’t win the next game?. We have been saying that for months but nothing changes. It’s a fucking disgrace and the Clubs backing of him is going to smash to pieces any potential feel good / good work of Nagle. You seem to be under the impression I hold a different opinion. I think the bloke is clueless and he's demonstrated that over and over again. I would have got shut of him before Christmas. But that's besides the point I was meaning. There are three main ways to consider the new signings. 1) That it's been done to support Moore (as a long term backing) or 2) done in spite of him. 3 (or maybe a bit of both). The point I'm trying to make is that I think they've brought these players in, knowing full well that they might be playing under a different manager very shortly. My own feeling is that if he doesn't go imminently, it will certainly be after the QPR game if they don't win. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jan 20, 2024 21:30:59 GMT 1
They aren’t Moore’s signings. I don’t for one minute believe these players have been brought in with Moore in Mind. Personally I think he will be sacked if we don’t win next game. Sacked if he doesn’t win the next game?. We have been saying that for months but nothing changes. It’s a fucking disgrace and the Clubs backing of him is going to smash to pieces any potential feel good / good work of Nagle. We've been saying it for months. Tonight Carmichael Dave asked that question to Nagle, very directly, and pointed to it getting the opinion on fan forums. He stopped short of an ultimatum, but said anything less than a win at QPR is unacceptable. He's clearly unhappy and out of patience with performances and results. |
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 20, 2024 21:36:35 GMT 1
Sacked if he doesn’t win the next game?. We have been saying that for months but nothing changes. It’s a fucking disgrace and the Clubs backing of him is going to smash to pieces any potential feel good / good work of Nagle. You seem to be under the impression I hold a different opinion. I think the bloke is clueless and he's demonstrated that over and over again. I would have got shut of him before Christmas. But that's besides the point I was meaning. There are three main ways to consider the new signings. 1) That it's been done to support Moore (as a long term backing) or 2) done in spite of him. 3 (or maybe a bit of both). The point I'm trying to make is that I think they've brought these players in, knowing full well that they might be playing under a different manager very shortly. My own feeling is that if he doesn't go imminently, it will certainly be after the QPR game if they don't win. For clarity, I was referencing the months bit that was all. I agree with you and we are on the same page. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jan 21, 2024 3:15:48 GMT 1
So he's basically leaving tomorrow and has told Edwards and Cartwright that Moore has to win next week or he's sacked. I don't want Moore in charge of Town any more but that diary is just too candid. Other managers will look at that and be put right off. Only mediocre managers would be put off. Any manager with a bit about them, a manager that backs themselves, they will see that as an ambitious owner. An owner that expects high standards, one that is willing to make changes to improve the club, one that is willing to spend money to improve the squad, an owner who wants to win. What’s not to like. If I was a manager, I’d want this job 100%. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 21, 2024 8:24:27 GMT 1
So he's basically leaving tomorrow and has told Edwards and Cartwright that Moore has to win next week or he's sacked. I don't want Moore in charge of Town any more but that diary is just too candid. Other managers will look at that and be put right off. In the flip side of this, other managers could look at that and say it’s a results business and the owner has a right to feel like that. 3 wins in 22 is giving the manager a lot of time these days, potential managers may see some security in that stat. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 21, 2024 8:29:21 GMT 1
So he's basically leaving tomorrow and has told Edwards and Cartwright that Moore has to win next week or he's sacked. I don't want Moore in charge of Town any more but that diary is just too candid. Other managers will look at that and be put right off. In the flip side of this, other managers could look at that and say it’s a results business and the owner has a right to feel like that. 3 wins in 22 is giving the manager a lot of time these days, potential managers may see some security in that stat. It was more the talk of discussing Moores credentials with other managers that I thought would be off putting. I actually think spending a bit of money in this window will make managers more interested in us. He will either be viewed as an invested owner which is appealing or interfering and over opinionated, which he has a right to be, but will put some off. |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 21, 2024 9:08:11 GMT 1
In the flip side of this, other managers could look at that and say it’s a results business and the owner has a right to feel like that. 3 wins in 22 is giving the manager a lot of time these days, potential managers may see some security in that stat. It was more the talk of discussing Moores credentials with other managers that I thought would be off putting. I actually think spending a bit of money in this window will make managers more interested in us. He will either be viewed as an invested owner which is appealing or interfering and over opinionated, which he has a right to be, but will put some off. Ah understood. Yeah that’s very undermining to be fair. Generally, I liked the video though - he looks restless at the whole situation now. I do always think if you’re at the point of ultimatum then you might aswell just pull the trigger. It’s getting to the point where there’s too much water running under the bridge. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 21, 2024 9:17:41 GMT 1
What I do not get is, why are they holding on. The inevitable will happen in the not too near future, so why wait?
Even if we beat QPR, does that mean everything changes?
I have a gut feeling the worst will happen.
QPR - loss
Sheff Wed - loss
Then it's Southmapton away.
With Moore still here, I think now, League 1 is in sight.
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 21, 2024 9:21:00 GMT 1
It was more the talk of discussing Moores credentials with other managers that I thought would be off putting. I actually think spending a bit of money in this window will make managers more interested in us. He will either be viewed as an invested owner which is appealing or interfering and over opinionated, which he has a right to be, but will put some off. Ah understood. Yeah that’s very undermining to be fair. Generally, I liked the video though - he looks restless at the whole situation now. I do always think if you’re at the point of ultimatum then you might aswell just pull the trigger. It’s getting to the point where there’s too much water running under the bridge. Agree, I don’t see the point in “one more game” if he’s literally one defeat from the sack! Bottom line, lose next week and we’re in the relegation zone (amazed we’re not in it already) and it’ll be 3 wins in half a season! Piss poor! There’s zero connection with the fans and I can’t see anything changing even if by some miracle we get 3 points next week! |
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Post by htfcterry on Jan 21, 2024 9:29:11 GMT 1
Ah understood. Yeah that’s very undermining to be fair. Generally, I liked the video though - he looks restless at the whole situation now. I do always think if you’re at the point of ultimatum then you might aswell just pull the trigger. It’s getting to the point where there’s too much water running under the bridge. Agree, I don’t see the point in “one more game” if he’s literally one defeat from the sack! Bottom line, lose next week and we’re in the relegation zone (amazed we’re not in it already) and it’ll be 3 wins in half a season! Piss poor! There’s zero connection with the fans and I can’t see anything changing even if by some miracle we get 3 points next week! QPR are going to be proper pumped up next week too. First chance of pretty much all the season to pull out of the bottom 3. I don’t understand why we’re almost just waiting to get to the bottom 3 before taking any action, the trend over almost exactly half a season under him has been down. We’ve played almost every team under Moore - what does anyone see in that which makes them believe there will be an upturn? In a few weeks we’ve gone from beating Blackburn comfortably, without the new signings, to drawing with them - despite them being just as poor as they were 3/4 weeks ago. They are honestly one of the worst teams I’ve seen this season, showed a couple of glimpses of good football but generally they are shite. |
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Post by hoggy1975 on Jan 21, 2024 9:33:16 GMT 1
Agree, I don’t see the point in “one more game” if he’s literally one defeat from the sack! Bottom line, lose next week and we’re in the relegation zone (amazed we’re not in it already) and it’ll be 3 wins in half a season! Piss poor! There’s zero connection with the fans and I can’t see anything changing even if by some miracle we get 3 points next week! QPR are going to be proper pumped up next week too. First chance of pretty much all the season to pull out of the bottom 3. I don’t understand why we’re almost just waiting to get to the bottom 3 before taking any action, the trend over almost exactly half a season under him has been down. We’ve played almost every team under Moore - what does anyone see in that which makes them believe there will be an upturn? In a few weeks we’ve gone from beating Blackburn comfortably, without the new signings, to drawing with them - despite them being just as poor as they were 3/4 weeks ago. They are honestly one of the worst teams I’ve seen this season, showed a couple of glimpses of good football but generally they are shite. Plymouth were rubbish the week before also and we never looked like winning it. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 21, 2024 9:35:42 GMT 1
What I do notnget is, why are they holding on. The inevitable will happen in the not too near future, so why wait? Even if we beat QPR, does that mean everything changes? I have a gut feeling the worst will happen. QPR - loss Sheff Wed - loss Then it's Southmapton away. With Moore still here, I think now, League 1 is in sight. It’s utterly pointless. He could win the next 3 and his record would still be abysmal. Literally everyone wants him gone, even folk like me who wanted to give him a bit of time and knew the squad was in a poor state. He doesn’t even try anything different, he seems to think 532 is the only formation that’s ever existed even though we don’t have the players for it. Nice guy he might be but in terms of football he’s a complete buffoon. All I can say is the standard of L1 last season must have been horrific. |
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Post by nicovaesen on Jan 21, 2024 9:53:45 GMT 1
I think we are all in agreement that it’s awful there just is nothing there to say he has any idea what to do. We can’t string two passes together unless it’s sideways or back to the keeper and even we fucked that up yesterday. By now we should at least see a plan or pattern of play that gives the impression we have a style. Both Blackburn and Plymouth are awful and completely there for the taking. Same as the wendies away too. In fact it can be argued all three could have been losses. I’m sure the same mentioned clubs will be saying similar about us but that dosent excuse the fact there’s nothing in ways of positives to take from any of this. Get Gollum the ex twig in
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 21, 2024 9:55:46 GMT 1
Just remember “the game will come, as and when it’s going to come”…..
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Post by JG Mellor on Jan 21, 2024 9:57:09 GMT 1
I think we are all in agreement that it’s awful there just is nothing there to say he has any idea what to do. We can’t string two passes together unless it’s sideways or back to the keeper and even we fucked that up yesterday. By now we should at least see a plan or pattern of play that gives the impression we have a style. Both Blackburn and Plymouth are awful and completely there for the taking. Same as the wendies away too. In fact it can be argued all three could have been losses. I’m sure the same mentioned clubs will be saying similar about us but that dosent excuse the fact there’s nothing in ways of positives to take from any of this. Get Gollum the ex twig in Alongside Potter, he'll be on Palace's short list. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jan 21, 2024 10:04:16 GMT 1
Said it before Nagle will be here for a month to also be involved in the interviews for a new gaffer after the guys have let him down so badly with our current one. Surely we are speaking to a few and one maybe giving us his answer this week….?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 21, 2024 10:12:44 GMT 1
I think Mrs Dave has said something along the lines of ‘if you’re gonna spend the next 15 minutes talking to the Kevster about that shitty English soccer team, you can do it from the bastard garage’. Poor bloke looked frozen. I did wonder. He's sat in California, wearing a big Town coat and woolly hat. I didn't know it got cold there 😁 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 21, 2024 10:37:42 GMT 1
Said it before Nagle will be here for a month to also be involved in the interviews for a new gaffer after the guys have let him down so badly with our current one. Surely we are speaking to a few and one maybe giving us his answer this week….? Only problem with that is, according to last night's video diary, he's changed his mind and is flying back to California today. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 21, 2024 10:39:02 GMT 1
What I do notnget is, why are they holding on. The inevitable will happen in the not too near future, so why wait? Even if we beat QPR, does that mean everything changes? I have a gut feeling the worst will happen. QPR - loss Sheff Wed - loss Then it's Southmapton away. With Moore still here, I think now, League 1 is in sight. It’s utterly pointless. He could win the next 3 and his record would still be abysmal. Literally everyone wants him gone, even folk like me who wanted to give him a bit of time and knew the squad was in a poor state. He doesn’t even try anything different, he seems to think 532 is the only formation that’s ever existed even though we don’t have the players for it. Nice guy he might be but in terms of football he’s a complete buffoon. All I can say is the standard of L1 last season must have been horrific. Even to get to a 30% win rate which is OK (Carlos 37%, Warnock 39%), he'd have to win the next 6 in a row to make it 9 in 28. To match Fotheringham (23.8%) he needs to win the next 3 on the bounce. These things aren't going to happen. Why wait for a new man when his first games could be QPR and Sheff Wed which are winnable. Waiting just gives the new man a mountain to climb. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 21, 2024 10:43:20 GMT 1
Said it before Nagle will be here for a month to also be involved in the interviews for a new gaffer after the guys have let him down so badly with our current one. Surely we are speaking to a few and one maybe giving us his answer this week….? Only problem with that is, according to last night's video diary, he's changed his mind and is flying back to California today. Can't stand to be here any longer when he can be somewhere nicer? |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 21, 2024 10:47:03 GMT 1
I did wonder if they just keep going with Moore while they sort an alternative, after all we don't really have anyone else to step in.
Moore looks like he's trying to change some aspects (such as Hogg trying to play the ball rather than safe option) but then other aspects such as the players at the end trying to calm it down and see the game out say otherwise.
Either way if I wanted to create a team to win and I was throwing money into it, I'd have to ask if I trusted Moore to make the most of it (no I wouldn't) and whether I felt that not only would the team improve but also the value of the purchases (no I wouldn't)
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 21, 2024 10:49:14 GMT 1
Only problem with that is, according to last night's video diary, he's changed his mind and is flying back to California today. Can't stand to be here any longer when he can be somewhere nicer? Hard to blame him really, not a lot to recommend about England in January |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 21, 2024 11:05:24 GMT 1
Can't stand to be here any longer when he can be somewhere nicer? Hard to blame him really, not a lot to recommend about England in January Except it's not America. |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 21, 2024 11:06:15 GMT 1
Hard to blame him really, not a lot to recommend about England in January Except it's not America. I used to feel like that, lots of California is really nice though |
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Post by stable on Jan 21, 2024 11:37:54 GMT 1
Said it before Nagle will be here for a month to also be involved in the interviews for a new gaffer after the guys have let him down so badly with our current one. Surely we are speaking to a few and one maybe giving us his answer this week….? Only problem with that is, according to last night's video diary, he's changed his mind and is flying back to California today. I suspect that ducks are probably already in a row. |
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