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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 18, 2024 15:47:27 GMT 1
Just to pick up on the shit at interviews bit. That side of the job is becoming more and more important, especially to younger fans who have access to the media stuff at their finger tips. Look at the top managers eg pep, klopp etc. They are comfortable in front of the camera. On a side note and to give Moore a little credit, it must be difficult to follow Warnock who has always had the media in the palm of his hand when Moore has very little charisma. When they win, as they usually do! When the result goes against them they both turn into tantruming babies and are pretty embarrassing. Dont look comfortable with the interview at all. Is it really important? Does it actually matter? The players all seem to be giving their all for Moore so if nothing else he seems to have a good relationship with them, and thats something that definitely does matter. Agree though, warnock was ridiculously confident in interviews, knew exactly how to spin a line to work in his favour and have everyone in the palm of his hand. Not many even come close to him in that respect . Are you with me?
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Post by callum9061 on Jan 18, 2024 15:57:59 GMT 1
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 18, 2024 16:01:46 GMT 1
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 18, 2024 16:36:00 GMT 1
Just to pick up on the shit at interviews bit. That side of the job is becoming more and more important, especially to younger fans who have access to the media stuff at their finger tips. Look at the top managers eg pep, klopp etc. They are comfortable in front of the camera. On a side note and to give Moore a little credit, it must be difficult to follow Warnock who has always had the media in the palm of his hand when Moore has very little charisma. When they win, as they usually do! When the result goes against them they both turn into tantruming babies and are pretty embarrassing. Dont look comfortable with the interview at all. Is it really important? Does it actually matter? The players all seem to be giving their all for Moore so if nothing else he seems to have a good relationship with them, and thats something that definitely does matter. Agree though, warnock was ridiculously confident in interviews, knew exactly how to spin a line to work in his favour and have everyone in the palm of his hand. Not many even come close to him in that respect . When they win they do. Well thats still better than Moore, we could beat Leeds 5-0 and he would come out with some incoherent rubbish. To me personally, no its not that important but in todays world where we have access to media everywhere, numerous social media platforms etc it is becoming more important to the wider public.
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Post by runner76 on Jan 18, 2024 16:43:41 GMT 1
They have a 10% discount on next Da Sandros?
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jan 18, 2024 17:26:18 GMT 1
When they win, as they usually do! When the result goes against them they both turn into tantruming babies and are pretty embarrassing. Dont look comfortable with the interview at all. Is it really important? Does it actually matter? The players all seem to be giving their all for Moore so if nothing else he seems to have a good relationship with them, and thats something that definitely does matter. Agree though, warnock was ridiculously confident in interviews, knew exactly how to spin a line to work in his favour and have everyone in the palm of his hand. Not many even come close to him in that respect . When they win they do. Well thats still better than Moore, we could beat Leeds 5-0 and he would come out with some incoherent rubbish. To me personally, no its not that important but in todays world where we have access to media everywhere, numerous social media platforms etc it is becoming more important to the wider public. Stuff like this?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 18, 2024 19:58:33 GMT 1
I quite liked him because earlier in the season we could see what he was about, but by the end of the season I thought that he had not done enough to keep his position. As it turned out we were wrong. I am now asking for DM to go, I could be wrong again, but I don't think so as he has not shown a sign of knowing anything at all. When we had quite a few injuries second half of that 20/21 season corboran didnt cope well at all...thus the 18 points from 24 games. Moores not coped well with a lot of injuries in the same way. He hasnt been able to play how he wants to play. I think its unfair and potentially a mistake to judge him at this stage when the squad hes had available has been so flimsy, having to firefight constantly ...like it would have been a mistake to judge Corboran from that time he couldn't cope with a flimsy squad. When we gave Corboran a fuller, better squad we ( almost) reaped the benefits of sticking with him....it could we'll be the same with Moore IMO. What I dont get is all the personal attacks and ridiculous over-exaggerated comments about him. Dont know why people feel they have to do either. So hes shit in interviews? So what? But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 18, 2024 20:11:44 GMT 1
When we had quite a few injuries second half of that 20/21 season corboran didnt cope well at all...thus the 18 points from 24 games. Moores not coped well with a lot of injuries in the same way. He hasnt been able to play how he wants to play. I think its unfair and potentially a mistake to judge him at this stage when the squad hes had available has been so flimsy, having to firefight constantly ...like it would have been a mistake to judge Corboran from that time he couldn't cope with a flimsy squad. When we gave Corboran a fuller, better squad we ( almost) reaped the benefits of sticking with him....it could we'll be the same with Moore IMO. What I dont get is all the personal attacks and ridiculous over-exaggerated comments about him. Dont know why people feel they have to do either. So hes shit in interviews? So what? But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career Never? He orchestrated coming back from 0-4 in the playoffs.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 18, 2024 20:12:57 GMT 1
But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career Never? He orchestrated coming back from 0-4 in the playoffs. Ooh, 1 game and Posh never turned up.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 18, 2024 20:16:18 GMT 1
Never? He orchestrated coming back from 0-4 in the playoffs. Ooh, 1 game and Posh never turned up. Hardly ever then.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 18, 2024 20:28:25 GMT 1
Oh, and Wednesday went for it in the dying embers of the final when the black-arses had settled for pens.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 18, 2024 20:41:52 GMT 1
Oh, and Wednesday went for it in the dying embers of the final when the black-arses had settled for pens. Settled after playing the Wendies off the park whilst, wrongly, having 1 player less for most of the 2nd half and extra time and having a stonewall penalty turned down.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 18, 2024 21:48:46 GMT 1
Oh, and Wednesday went for it in the dying embers of the final when the black-arses had settled for pens. Settled after playing the Wendies off the park whilst, wrongly, having 1 player less for most of the 2nd half and extra time and having a stonewall penalty turned down. What you say is true, but does not change the veracity of my statement.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 18, 2024 21:48:56 GMT 1
When we had quite a few injuries second half of that 20/21 season corboran didnt cope well at all...thus the 18 points from 24 games. Moores not coped well with a lot of injuries in the same way. He hasnt been able to play how he wants to play. I think its unfair and potentially a mistake to judge him at this stage when the squad hes had available has been so flimsy, having to firefight constantly ...like it would have been a mistake to judge Corboran from that time he couldn't cope with a flimsy squad. When we gave Corboran a fuller, better squad we ( almost) reaped the benefits of sticking with him....it could we'll be the same with Moore IMO. What I dont get is all the personal attacks and ridiculous over-exaggerated comments about him. Dont know why people feel they have to do either. So hes shit in interviews? So what? It won't be the same with Moore, I'd put my house on it. Let's not pretend Moore has shown any of the positives that Corberan did before that poor run. The two are like chalk and cheese, there are no parallels or straws to grasp. But Corboran had the first 20 games with a full squad playing the way he wanted after a full pre season. Moore has ad nonprr seasona and not had more than 12 fit first teamers available in any game since he took over and has no strikers available at all for most of them. If Corboran had started with the squad he had for the second half of the season he would not have had any of the credit in the bank which got him through the season.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 18, 2024 21:53:09 GMT 1
When we had quite a few injuries second half of that 20/21 season corboran didnt cope well at all...thus the 18 points from 24 games. Moores not coped well with a lot of injuries in the same way. He hasnt been able to play how he wants to play. I think its unfair and potentially a mistake to judge him at this stage when the squad hes had available has been so flimsy, having to firefight constantly ...like it would have been a mistake to judge Corboran from that time he couldn't cope with a flimsy squad. When we gave Corboran a fuller, better squad we ( almost) reaped the benefits of sticking with him....it could we'll be the same with Moore IMO. What I dont get is all the personal attacks and ridiculous over-exaggerated comments about him. Dont know why people feel they have to do either. So hes shit in interviews? So what? But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career 2nd season he did, after he'd got the squad that allowed him to do it. What point are you making? That we should wait until Moore has the same opportunity?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 18, 2024 22:14:33 GMT 1
But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career 2nd season he did, after he'd got the squad that allowed him to do it. What point are you making? That we should wait until Moore has the same opportunity? Quite the opposite. Carlos showed what he was capable of in the first few weeks til the injuries hit. Moore hasn't shown anything like that in his managerial career and certainly not here.
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Post by goodbet on Jan 18, 2024 22:14:48 GMT 1
But Carlos was an unknown, who 2nd season produced a team that could swap formation easily and constantly as needed. Moore has never shown anything other than his teams are dour and unimaginative throughout his managerial career 2nd season he did, after he'd got the squad that allowed him to do it. What point are you making? That we should wait until Moore has the same opportunity? If we did, it would be too late by then we will already be down and no Warnock to save us a second time.
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Post by Sio on Jan 18, 2024 22:25:25 GMT 1
2nd season he did, after he'd got the squad that allowed him to do it. What point are you making? That we should wait until Moore has the same opportunity? Quite the opposite. Carlos showed what he was capable of in the first few weeks til the injuries hit. Moore hasn't shown anything like that in his managerial career and certainly not here. This is the thing that people forget, and probably why Carlos got a bit of a free pass when our form dropped off to the same level we're seeing from Moore (throw empty stadiums in the mix too). Carlos actually showed a vision and gave us something to get excited about potentially returning. As it happened he adapted and we became even better, albeit less easy on the eye. I've seen nothing from Moore to look forward to whatsoever. It actually baffles me that he still has support from certain corners of our fanbase.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 18, 2024 22:35:59 GMT 1
Quite the opposite. Carlos showed what he was capable of in the first few weeks til the injuries hit. Moore hasn't shown anything like that in his managerial career and certainly not here. This is the thing that people forget, and probably why Carlos got a bit of a free pass when our form dropped off to the same level we're seeing from Moore (throw empty stadiums in the mix too). Carlos actually showed a vision and gave us something to get excited about potentially returning. As it happened he adapted and we became even better, albeit less easy on the eye. I've seen nothing from Moore to look forward to whatsoever. It actually baffles me that he still has support from certain corners of our fanbase. I have no affection for DM whatsoever but maybe we have to give it 3 or 4 games because theres no excuses now. Weve strengthened right thru the spine of the team with more to come......up to DM to show his worth now by getting some results and waking us all up! Positive mention for KN - delivered investment already in jan as promised. Hope he gets a return starting on sat.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 18, 2024 22:39:17 GMT 1
It won't be the same with Moore, I'd put my house on it. Let's not pretend Moore has shown any of the positives that Corberan did before that poor run. The two are like chalk and cheese, there are no parallels or straws to grasp. But Corboran had the first 20 games with a full squad playing the way he wanted after a full pre season. Moore has ad nonprr seasona and not had more than 12 fit first teamers available in any game since he took over and has no strikers available at all for most of them. If Corboran had started with the squad he had for the second half of the season he would not have had any of the credit in the bank which got him through the season. Warnock had no pre season 🤔
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 0:33:38 GMT 1
2nd season he did, after he'd got the squad that allowed him to do it. What point are you making? That we should wait until Moore has the same opportunity? Quite the opposite. Carlos showed what he was capable of in the first few weeks til the injuries hit. Moore hasn't shown anything like that in his managerial career and certainly not here. Do you even know Moores managerial history or is it just convenient to pretend its all been crap? How many manager of the month awards has Carlos been awarded in the Premier Division? How many promotions has he had? Moore has both on his CV, yet weirdly he hasnt shown 'anything like' Carlos managed in the first half of 20/21 , which was actually 9 wins in 23 matches and getting dumped out of the League cup by Rochdale at home ? Not shown anything like that in his whole managerial career?? I get people are unhappy with Moore but why this need to post utter nonsense about it?
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 19, 2024 0:58:26 GMT 1
When they win they do. Well thats still better than Moore, we could beat Leeds 5-0 and he would come out with some incoherent rubbish. To me personally, no its not that important but in todays world where we have access to media everywhere, numerous social media platforms etc it is becoming more important to the wider public. Stuff like this? Seem to remember that from somewhere - I'm sure that was a fairly loud fart on 38 seconds during his speech!
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 19, 2024 6:29:39 GMT 1
Quite the opposite. Carlos showed what he was capable of in the first few weeks til the injuries hit. Moore hasn't shown anything like that in his managerial career and certainly not here. Do you even know Moores managerial history or is it just convenient to pretend its all been crap? How many manager of the month awards has Carlos been awarded in the Premier Division? How many promotions has he had? Moore has both on his CV, yet weirdly he hasnt shown 'anything like' Carlos managed in the first half of 20/21 , which was actually 9 wins in 23 matches and getting dumped out of the League cup by Rochdale at home ? Not shown anything like that in his whole managerial career?? I get people are unhappy with Moore but why this need to post utter nonsense about it? If you took your head from up his arse for a minute you'll notice I was talking about the style of play. Moore got a manager of the month, the day before his team were relegated (he has 2 of those on his CV, Carlos hasn't) and one promotion which was achieved by the same dodgy, big club refereeing decisions that denied Carlos one. Have you seen anything that makes you think Moore is capable of changing things, for the better, during a game cos it seems to be quite the opposite so far 🤔
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Post by Sio on Jan 19, 2024 9:53:21 GMT 1
This is the thing that people forget, and probably why Carlos got a bit of a free pass when our form dropped off to the same level we're seeing from Moore (throw empty stadiums in the mix too). Carlos actually showed a vision and gave us something to get excited about potentially returning. As it happened he adapted and we became even better, albeit less easy on the eye. I've seen nothing from Moore to look forward to whatsoever. It actually baffles me that he still has support from certain corners of our fanbase. I have no affection for DM whatsoever but maybe we have to give it 3 or 4 games because theres no excuses now. Weve strengthened right thru the spine of the team with more to come......up to DM to show his worth now by getting some results and waking us all up! Positive mention for KN - delivered investment already in jan as promised. Hope he gets a return starting on sat. Yeah, that's fair and probably what will happen. If he suddenly develops a style and personality on the pitch due to these additions then I'd be the first person to hold my hands up and say that I didn't see that coming. Although I expect any sort of heavy defeat might be the final nail for Kev who I imagine takes no prisoners.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 10:08:01 GMT 1
Do you even know Moores managerial history or is it just convenient to pretend its all been crap? How many manager of the month awards has Carlos been awarded in the Premier Division? How many promotions has he had? Moore has both on his CV, yet weirdly he hasnt shown 'anything like' Carlos managed in the first half of 20/21 , which was actually 9 wins in 23 matches and getting dumped out of the League cup by Rochdale at home ? Not shown anything like that in his whole managerial career?? I get people are unhappy with Moore but why this need to post utter nonsense about it? If you took your head from up his arse for a minute you'll notice I was talking about the style of play. Moore got a manager of the month, the day before his team were relegated (he has 2 of those on his CV, Carlos hasn't) and one promotion which was achieved by the same dodgy, big club refereeing decisions that denied Carlos one. Have you seen anything that makes you think Moore is capable of changing things, for the better, during a game cos it seems to be quite the opposite so far 🤔 So Moore has never even had any of his teams play with the incredible 'style' Corboran managed in those 24 games? W9...D4....L11 Winning the Manager of the month with a side at the bottom of the table as soon as he takes over means nothing because they still went down? Getting 96 points then going up through play offs means nothing because it was down to dodgy refs? And if you dont think that, youre up his arse? Has there ever been a more inappropriate use of the thinking emoji ?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 19, 2024 10:13:38 GMT 1
I have no affection for DM whatsoever but maybe we have to give it 3 or 4 games because theres no excuses now. Weve strengthened right thru the spine of the team with more to come......up to DM to show his worth now by getting some results and waking us all up! Positive mention for KN - delivered investment already in jan as promised. Hope he gets a return starting on sat. Yeah, that's fair and probably what will happen. If he suddenly develops a style and personality on the pitch due to these additions then I'd be the first person to hold my hands up and say that I didn't see that coming. Although I expect any sort of heavy defeat might be the final nail for Kev who I imagine takes no prisoners. Absolutely. Now hes actually got the tools to work with Nagle will expect results. Will demand them and if they dont happen Moore will be gone. Next 5 games will be crucial for him.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jan 19, 2024 10:17:07 GMT 1
Yeah, that's fair and probably what will happen. If he suddenly develops a style and personality on the pitch due to these additions then I'd be the first person to hold my hands up and say that I didn't see that coming. Although I expect any sort of heavy defeat might be the final nail for Kev who I imagine takes no prisoners. Absolutely. Now hes actually got the tools to work with Nagle will expect results. Will demand them and if they dont happen Moore will be gone. Next 5 games will be crucial for him. Without a healthy points return in these next 3 I reckon he'll be gone.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 19, 2024 10:20:44 GMT 1
Yeah got to agree with the gist of this really. If we don’t pick up any more additional injuries and maybe get one or two players back from injury there’s no excuses now over the next couple of weeks, which is what I think he has, to show we can get some results. It’s make or break next 3 games.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 19, 2024 11:07:41 GMT 1
What is this next three games about? That is potentially 9 points wasted, which we cannot afford! Could make the difference come the end of the season.
What has he done to deserve that chance?
He has had the most spent on players in a January window for a long time ( bar the Premier League).
Other than Balker ( who, if is a good as they are making out should not matter much) he has had plenty time with the new players, including Spencer.
If all the new players are available then it has to be an obvious improvement tomorrow or get rid??
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