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Post by townmad9 on Jan 15, 2024 10:53:41 GMT 1
If we start doing well on the pitch, the "matchday experience" will take care of itself, I assure you. But for who? I think we can bring in more women supporters, more kiddos, many many more than the diehards that are already present. I promise you music and halftime shows or whatever it will be won’t hurt anyone, and if the performance on the pitch is good everyone wins. In short: why not both? I agree with this to be fair. I took my daughter to her first game this weekend, and decided to get there early to try and build the experience up for her, because as much as she has been begging me to take her to a game, I wouldn't say she is massively into football. Before we even entered the ground, she had met a first team player, she had her photos taken with superheros and Terry the Terrier, she had been given balloons, stickers with players faces on, and got her face painted too, all free of charge. By this point she was already excited and we hadn't even got into the ground yet. And as much as the football wasn't the greatest of games, she was joining in with the singing, she cheered her first goal, she already has her 3 favourite players, and is now asking when I can take her again. So as much as the performance on the pitch is absolutely vital, I also agree that making the whole experience as enjoyable as possible will also go a long way towards getting people down to the ground on a Saturday afternoon. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 10:58:18 GMT 1
But for who? I think we can bring in more women supporters, more kiddos, many many more than the diehards that are already present. I promise you music and halftime shows or whatever it will be won’t hurt anyone, and if the performance on the pitch is good everyone wins. In short: why not both? I agree with this to be fair. I took my daughter to her first game this weekend, and decided to get there early to try and build the experience up for her, because as much as she has been begging me to take her to a game, I wouldn't say she is massively into football. Before we even entered the ground, she had met a first team player, she had her photos taken with superheros and Terry the Terrier, she had been given balloons, stickers with players faces on, and got her face painted too, all free of charge. By this point she was already excited and we hadn't even got into the ground yet. And as much as the football wasn't the greatest of games, she was joining in with the singing, she cheered her first goal, she already has her 3 favourite players, and is now asking when I can take her again. So as much as the performance on the pitch is absolutely vital, I also agree that making the whole experience as enjoyable as possible will also go a long way towards getting people down to the ground on a Saturday afternoon. Totally agree, when I take my son he always wants us to get down early for the fan zone. It's a great idea for families and especially kids. I do agree though that we need to cater for the hard-core fans without kids and a supportera bar at ropewalk would be ideal. Also opening a bar in town would bring in extra income through the week. An ideal spot would be the old Livingstones club, directly across the road from the uni, a short walk to the stadium and set up for big screen sports. The town is crying out for a sports bar to compete with Warehouse. If I were Kev I would be looking at that. |
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Post by Sio on Jan 15, 2024 11:04:37 GMT 1
In the promotion season the place was absolutely bouncing. The whole club was vibrant and alive and every game felt like a huge event. Of course that was because we were winning, but the atmosphere was so much more than that. Having part of the south stand and the Cowshed Loyal in there was huge. The personality of the team was a contributing factor - we didn't have it with Carlos, but we had it with Wagner's team. Think of the Hefele song before kick off, most of the ground probably joined in with the singing. Hefele was a huge star in that team because of his personality - there were quite a few better players in the team. That, combined with his song being 'orchestrated' over the PA system before the game helped with that and got the kids involved. The kids that won't sing smile awhile before kick off but will love some of that fan zone type experience. Because of that season we have a far bigger fan base than we used to have. They might not turn up every week, but think back 10 - 15 years ago and 16k was a big turnout. I don't live in the area any more, but I'd wager there are far more school kids that support town than when i was at school 30 years ago, and probably a lot more than there even were 10 years ago. There needs to be a balance struck, but a bit of the razzmatazz in the right places is what will get some kids enjoying rather than enduring the game, and that's where the revenue is. They'll want the shirts, sweets at half time, bring their mates etc. I said at the time that Moore was appointed that I think the personality of the manager (and ideally his players too) is a really big thing for a Town manager. Perhaps that's why it always felt a bit flat during Carlos' time. Imagine us being third under Wagner, Warnock or Jacko - it'd be absolutely bouncing because you'd be excited to see the reaction on the touchline or the celebrations on the pitch after a win. It seems like a small thing but it's partly why I didn't buy into the DM appointment - he's just.. dull. It's cruel but he isn't reading this so I'm sure he'll be fine. He just doesn't fit for Town. |
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Post by Randy Watson on Jan 15, 2024 11:04:54 GMT 1
My point was more the people arguing with him and giving him grief for things that are way out of his control. It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. As per usual |
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Post by townian on Jan 15, 2024 11:13:54 GMT 1
My point was more the people arguing with him and giving him grief for things that are way out of his control. It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. Isn’t it always? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 11:18:36 GMT 1
Yet you persist with one of the worst managers in our history 🤷♂️ Take it from supporters that witnessed various periods of rubbish over the last 50 years. This period is up there with those bad periods. It is just so boring, dull, insipid and uninspiring. I hope it doesn't define the Nagle era, because if it does, that will mean the Nagle era will have been a complete failure. No-one wants him to fail, believe me. Give the guy a break he doesn't own the club and has said he has nothing to do with the footballing side of things so saying "YOU persist with one of the worst managers" blah blah is ridiculous. He's not persisting with anyone, from what I can gather he's just trying to learn about the club and fans and what they generally like and dislike and pass on anything he thinks might be relevant. To get battered everytime he posts something is just stupid. Also, how many of us started supporting Town because we were battering teams every week? We were shit when I started, and stayed that way for quite a number of years with crowds less than the 5k mark. It was just the buzz of going to a game and quite often at the start because I might get a wagon wheel and a scolding bovril for my troubles. So if they have a few ideas that might attract a few kids to come more regularly then what's the problem? If a grown adult can put up with it and a few kids or other adults love it then what's the problem really? All just seems like a good excuse to have a moan rather (and to completely the wrong person!) than being anything like productive. I thought you'd pipe up. He's come on here and wants to hear what Town fans think. So I've told him what one Town fan thinks. No-one is battering anyone. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 11:20:22 GMT 1
My point was more the people arguing with him and giving him grief for things that are way out of his control. It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. It's not even arguing either. Fucking hell, are people not allowed to give constructive feedback anymore? |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 15, 2024 11:20:28 GMT 1
Jesus wept
Good on you justaguyfor responding in the way you have without throwing your laptop outside.
Seems htafcokay thinks he speaks for every demographic that goes to games.. and kids, for example, should only be able to enjoy their day if we win. Poor fuckers.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 11:22:07 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off.
I haven't even done anything wrong.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 15, 2024 11:28:56 GMT 1
In the promotion season the place was absolutely bouncing. The whole club was vibrant and alive and every game felt like a huge event. Of course that was because we were winning, but the atmosphere was so much more than that. Having part of the south stand and the Cowshed Loyal in there was huge. The personality of the team was a contributing factor - we didn't have it with Carlos, but we had it with Wagner's team. Think of the Hefele song before kick off, most of the ground probably joined in with the singing. Hefele was a huge star in that team because of his personality - there were quite a few better players in the team. That, combined with his song being 'orchestrated' over the PA system before the game helped with that and got the kids involved. The kids that won't sing smile awhile before kick off but will love some of that fan zone type experience. Because of that season we have a far bigger fan base than we used to have. They might not turn up every week, but think back 10 - 15 years ago and 16k was a big turnout. I don't live in the area any more, but I'd wager there are far more school kids that support town than when i was at school 30 years ago, and probably a lot more than there even were 10 years ago. There needs to be a balance struck, but a bit of the razzmatazz in the right places is what will get some kids enjoying rather than enduring the game, and that's where the revenue is. They'll want the shirts, sweets at half time, bring their mates etc. I said at the time that Moore was appointed that I think the personality of the manager (and ideally his players too) is a really big thing for a Town manager. Perhaps that's why it always felt a bit flat during Carlos' time. Imagine us being third under Wagner, Warnock or Jacko - it'd be absolutely bouncing because you'd be excited to see the reaction on the touchline or the celebrations on the pitch after a win. It seems like a small thing but it's partly why I didn't buy into the DM appointment - he's just.. dull. It's cruel but he isn't reading this so I'm sure he'll be fine. He just doesn't fit for Town. Exactly. The club really benefits from a leader in the dugout, a personality that can galvanise the crowd. We'll never have the numbers or the money that others do, we need to get our edge in other ways. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jan 15, 2024 11:37:27 GMT 1
I don’t have any problem whatsoever with KN et al trying to bring a bit of the “American experience” to the JSS; indeed I’d have been surprised and disappointed if they didn’t. There’s nothing wrong with what they’ve tried to do so far with things such as the fanzone etc, and I’ve no doubt they’ve got other ideas in mind.
I lived in the USA for three years (1978-80) and returned countless times since either on business or holidays, and I love the place and the people. I must have attended 60 or more Major League Baseball games and a dozen or so top level college football games. I “get” and appreciate “America’s pastime” and their “tailgate parties”. I absolutely loved playing softball.
Obviously there will always be differences between UK and US culture and not everything will work; The British weather will always be a factor. I’m certain KN et al will learn and adapt, but they will need help, support and encouragement from the fans. Of course, absolutely the most important factor is what is happening on the pitch 46 times or more a season. Success and entertainment on the pitch will always help drive and deliver the things KN wants and needs to achieve off the pitch.
It’s not easy, but we have to show KN that we are behind him and support his endeavours. His past history suggests that with time he is more likely to succeed than not.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 15, 2024 11:44:47 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. It's not even arguing either. Fucking hell, are people not allowed to give constructive feedback anymore? People get wound up because you refuse to listen to anyone else's constructive feedback. Yes, light shows and fan zones and better food options aren't for you. As someone in their late 30s with no kids who started at Leeds Road they aren't for me either. But if they help keep kids happy, and therefore their parents more likely to bring them as well as turnup themselves, then its does me or you no harm whatsoever. Yes, we all want to be better on the pitch first and foremost but one doesn't take from the other. |
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Post by drumriggend on Jan 15, 2024 11:46:53 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Mekkin friends again bro.. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 15, 2024 11:50:20 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Justaguy isnt going to say "don't worry Moore will be gone soon we will shelf any other plans till the day he's sacked" I'd imagine DM is on borrowed time and KN doesnt need repeated "constructive criticism" via his mate to know we are crap and the fans aren't happy. Justaguy made that obvious early in the thread and still gets it repeated to him like it's some fan secret you are letting him in on.. You seem to enjoy hammering at something till people snap back then you throw your teddy. You cant hammer KN/justaguy then flounce yelling "fuck off" when you get it back. He had to give DM some time (granted, most think he's had enough now), why is it so difficult to comprehend that in the meantime he can look at other things to improve? He's delegating the football side as one would hope. You're a 20-40 year old football going bloke (like me), all we really care about is us winning.. But if i took my kids and spent X amount i'd hope they still had a good day regardless of the result.. it's bordering on odd to think they should suffer from the (inevitable) losses because some 20-40yo on Datm doesnt want improvements making for them. I also am a big blokey man who has pissed and shat in some horrible places, but if you presented me a portaloo thats been carpet bombed by bricklayers for 6 years straight or a clean refurbed toilet i'm not ashamed to admit i'd pick the latter. Nor do i think having that option would have any bearing on the football on the pitch. Ironically, if KN only talked football he'd get it in the neck for wanting to play manager (like hodgekinson did). |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 11:55:27 GMT 1
It's not even arguing either. Fucking hell, are people not allowed to give constructive feedback anymore? People get wound up because you refuse to listen to anyone else's constructive feedback. Yes, light shows and fan zones and better food options aren't for you. As someone in their late 30s with no kids who started at Leeds Road they aren't for me either. But if they help keep kids happy, and therefore their parents more likely to bring them as well as turnup themselves, then its does me or you no harm whatsoever. Yes, we all want to be better on the pitch first and foremost but one doesn't take from the other. It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 15, 2024 11:57:05 GMT 1
People get wound up because you refuse to listen to anyone else's constructive feedback. Yes, light shows and fan zones and better food options aren't for you. As someone in their late 30s with no kids who started at Leeds Road they aren't for me either. But if they help keep kids happy, and therefore their parents more likely to bring them as well as turnup themselves, then its does me or you no harm whatsoever. Yes, we all want to be better on the pitch first and foremost but one doesn't take from the other. It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. I wish he was. |
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Post by upthetown on Jan 15, 2024 11:59:37 GMT 1
It’s mainly the same person doing most of the arguing to be fair. It's not even arguing either. Fucking hell, are people not allowed to give constructive feedback anymore? Isn’t saying it once enough? He read it, acknowledged it and even responded directly to it. You then proceed with the endless loop of making the same point. They cannot please all supporters, all the time, clearly. I think everyone agrees the on the field part is the most important (by far) but no reason off the field improvements cannot be made in parallel, whilst accepting it won’t be to everyone’s taste. I’d rather they tried things and looked to improve than just left everything as is. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jan 15, 2024 12:05:42 GMT 1
It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. I wish he was. Wonder what that would look like. Pure darkness while Hurt by Johnny Cash plays  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 12:10:11 GMT 1
Wonder what that would look like. Pure darkness while Hurt by Johnny Cash plays A bank of lights in one half of the field and one up the other end that flickers on and off. |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 15, 2024 12:15:14 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Allow me to be the first to congratulate you on your rounded and adult response to this debate. For what it's worth your view is as valid as anyone's but it isn't in any way definitive. For me the way we help Mr Nagle, and through "justaguy", is to offer insight and opinions that are supported by evidence. I would support your view that what we have seen on the pitch, which right now is the most important issue, isn't anywhere near good enough or encouraging for the future. Although we all have our different styles and approaches being constructive and concerned is more beneficial than emotionally charged rants. During a game or in it's immediate aftermath some will feel incredibly frustrated. You have to channel that into constructive criticism. Questioning the ability of our coach and his tactics is completely valid. Mixing it with incoherent waffle about Americanisation and implied agendas off the field dilutes the message that what is happening on the pitch isn't currently good enough to guarantee staying in the Championship. You were in the directors box on Saturday? Was your behaviour there an extension of your rants on here? I doubt it very much, as I am sure you would have been removed. The point being if you are able to behave sensibly there can you not extend that to when you post on here? Noting again that some of your points are with merit. In more general terms if I has a slight criticism of Mr Nagle's time over here with us it would be that we could have benefited from similar 6 months ago. All the issues about match day experience and what is required at the stadium are things that need attention (I think we are starting to realise the size of the task Mr nagle has taken on) but right now we need results on the pitch. Mr Nagle knows this, he has said as much. The key question still remains; is DM the man to deliver that improvement on the pitch? If there is any doubt at all a call needs to be made. The other observation I would make is this: I support positive thinking but we cannot wish ourselves out of a relegation battle. Positivity certainly helps, massively, but we also have to be realistic. It is, unfortunately, possible we will not dodge the relegation bullet this time. If the worst was to happen I would hope, no expect, that Mr Nagle has a plan for that outcome. If it were to happen we cannot collectively sit there with our head in our hands saying "how did that happen" we need to be focused on recovering and improving, immediately. What Mr Nagle has brought this week has been positive, encouraging and it was required. Long may that continue. In the immediate term he has a tough few days ahead. I wish him the best because I believe he is trying to do the right things. That doesn't mean that he will find the right answer, but I hope he will. |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 12:19:43 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Justaguy isnt going to say "don't worry Moore will be gone soon we will shelf any other plans till the day he's sacked" I'd imagine DM is on borrowed time and KN doesnt need repeated "constructive criticism" via his mate to know we are crap and the fans aren't happy. Justaguy made that obvious early in the thread and still gets it repeated to him like it's some fan secret you are letting him in on.. You seem to enjoy hammering at something till people snap back then you throw your teddy. You cant hammer KN/justaguy then flounce yelling "fuck off" when you get it back. He had to give DM some time (granted, most think he's had enough now), why is it so difficult to comprehend that in the meantime he can look at other things to improve? He's delegating the football side as one would hope. You're a 20-40 year old football going bloke (like me), all we really care about is us winning.. But if i took my kids and spent X amount i'd hope they still had a good day regardless of the result.. it's bordering on odd to think they should suffer from the (inevitable) losses because some 20-40yo on Datm doesnt want improvements making for them. I also am a big blokey man who has pissed and shat in some horrible places, but if you presented me a portaloo thats been carpet bombed by bricklayers for 6 years straight or a clean refurbed toilet i'm not ashamed to admit i'd pick the latter. Nor do i think having that option would have any bearing on the football on the pitch. Ironically, if KN only talked football he'd get it in the neck for wanting to play manager (like hodgekinson did). Made me chuckle did that, well played |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jan 15, 2024 12:29:11 GMT 1
Not everyone prefers to turn up at 5 to 3.
I’ve always arrived at the ground at least an hour before kick off - I like to see the build up to the game, the warm up’s etc.
But it’s not just me - there’s loads of people who like to do the same and until the club decided to improve things with the fanzone etc there were no facilities and no where for the club to capitalise on increasing revenue.
I often arrive at the same time as the “away” coaches - it’s embarrassing that when asked questions like “ where is there to get food?” you have to direct them up to the less than appealing town centre.
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Post by henryc on Jan 15, 2024 12:37:42 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. To be fair as a poster that likes to repeat their opinions time and time again on here I don’t see how you can complain with the replies in this thread, no abuse just honest disagreement. To then play the victim and fire abuse yourself is pretty embarrassing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2024 12:41:00 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. Wow. That's the ultimate childish response. Me done no wrong !  |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 15, 2024 12:43:37 GMT 1
You know what, you can all just fuck off. I haven't even done anything wrong. To be fair as a poster that likes to repeat their opinions time and time again on here I don’t see how you can complain with the replies in this thread, no abuse just honest disagreement. To then play the victim and fire abuse yourself is pretty embarrassing. Doesn't matter what I say, Henry, the usual accusations come. Seems like people enjoy kicking me, just because it's me. Others post similar opinions but they don't incur the backlash that my posts seem to get. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't battering anyone, I was just sharing opinions on a forum. When people constantly jump on your posts, you feel the need to fight back. Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not. If anyone is offended, then I apologise. |
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Post by upthetown on Jan 15, 2024 12:46:21 GMT 1
To be fair as a poster that likes to repeat their opinions time and time again on here I don’t see how you can complain with the replies in this thread, no abuse just honest disagreement. To then play the victim and fire abuse yourself is pretty embarrassing. Doesn't matter what I say, Henry, the usual accusations come. Seems like people enjoy kicking me, just because it's me. Other post similar opinions but they don't incur the backlash that my posts seem to get. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't battering anyone, I was just sharing opinions on a forum. When people constantly jump on your posts, you feel the need to fight back. Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not. If anyone is offended, then I apologise. I’ve no issue with you at all… I don’t even know you. I was just commenting on your posts. I would say that this bit: “ Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not.” Could well be how certain people you were replying to were feeling too. For example to repeat posts re Nagle/Justaguy after you’d had the reply. Anyway… he’s to Town hopefully looking up the table rather than down for the rest of the season and beyond. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Jan 15, 2024 12:48:50 GMT 1
People get wound up because you refuse to listen to anyone else's constructive feedback. Yes, light shows and fan zones and better food options aren't for you. As someone in their late 30s with no kids who started at Leeds Road they aren't for me either. But if they help keep kids happy, and therefore their parents more likely to bring them as well as turnup themselves, then its does me or you no harm whatsoever. Yes, we all want to be better on the pitch first and foremost but one doesn't take from the other. It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. |
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Post by runner76 on Jan 15, 2024 13:01:27 GMT 1
It's like he thinks Darren Moore is in charge of running the light show. pretty sure a bulb would go out close to the show starting and a complete change of approach would be required. er.....erm... |
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 15, 2024 13:06:07 GMT 1
To be fair as a poster that likes to repeat their opinions time and time again on here I don’t see how you can complain with the replies in this thread, no abuse just honest disagreement. To then play the victim and fire abuse yourself is pretty embarrassing. Doesn't matter what I say, Henry, the usual accusations come. Seems like people enjoy kicking me, just because it's me. Others post similar opinions but they don't incur the backlash that my posts seem to get. I wasn't arguing with anyone, I wasn't battering anyone, I was just sharing opinions on a forum. When people constantly jump on your posts, you feel the need to fight back. Because sometimes, it's actually quite overwhelming when you've got multiple people having a go and accusing you of something you're not. If anyone is offended, then I apologise. You say that other people have similar points but nobody repeats them over and over again in the way you do. It's just constant negativity post after post. Jumping on anything the club tries to do to improve the matchday experience simply because you aren't happy with what's being put out on the pitch. Nobody is happy with the situation but many of us can see that the owner is doing what he can to improve the club. Yes many of us want Moore gone but that decision in itself shouldn't be a stick used to beat the owner with. I'm the first person to get my bottom lip out when the product on the pitch is shite as I have done this weekend but I like to think I'm level headed enough to separate on field matters with off them. As Justaguy said why can't both be improved? |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 15, 2024 13:09:38 GMT 1
Not everyone prefers to turn up at 5 to 3. I’ve always arrived at the ground at least an hour before kick off - I like to see the build up to the game, the warm up’s etc. But it’s not just me - there’s loads of people who like to do the same and until the club decided to improve things with the fanzone etc there were no facilities and no where for the club to capitalise on increasing revenue. I often arrive at the same time as the “away” coaches - it’s embarrassing that when asked questions like “ where is there to get food?” you have to direct them up to the less than appealing town centre. When I was 10-15 year old kid and my Dad was still with us, we always used to get to the ground at 2. We’d watch the warm up, laugh at how crap most of it was, take the piss of of grown men collecting autographs by the dugouts and generally just have a laugh. Given that we support a generally crap football team this was often the best part of the day 😂 |
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