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Post by goodbet on May 28, 2024 18:35:52 GMT 1
Why does everybody keep saying the January transfer business was shocking? Granted we needed another midfielder but given how extortionate the prices are in January I think we did well to get Healey who I think has been decent for us and will piss league 1 with the right service. Bojan looks a decent player and a summer in the gym should have a massive impact. Balker is a baller but unfortunately got injured...these things happen and Matos was easily our best midfielder post January. I would actually try to keep Matos for another year. I worry that Balker will leave but if he does we need to make sure we get every penny back that we spent on him. A few outs are predictable but let AB bring his own players in and get of the shit and we should be decent next season. Balker? Injured a lot. Maybe he'll be great after a proper preseason. Maybe he'll put his injury woes behind him. Might prove to be a decent long term option but we needed a short term boost. Exactly.Healey? Done well when he's been fit. Injury prone though, and expensive. Should be very useful in Lg1 (if we can keep him fit!) but we needed someone for the Championship. Another one that can only be described one for next seasonRadulovic? Hadn't played for months, and when he did it was in a far less physically demanding league at a much lower level. Essentially a project player, when we needed somebody to come in & hit the ground running. Matos was OK. Not brilliant, but the best outfield player we signed this season. Not Championship ready 4 signings, only one had any semblance of an immediate impact - and the problem of the lack of a creative midfielder was not addressed. The three who are still here might be brilliant next season - but that window can't be classed as a success because we didn't address the problems we had. Primarily though, it's not the quality of the window so much as the back of a coherent plan to base it on. That's the first thing we need. We need a long term strategy. An identity. A way of playing and the whole club set up with that identity in mind. Up to now the whole running of the football side has been reactive, with no forward planning whatsoever. After a miserable summer some of which Cartwright was not around for, a lot of people said he needed to be given January to show what he can do. We seem to have not learned anything and certainly cartwright hasent. It was January and we were in dire need of a lift and needed Championship ready players ready to hit the ground running. Anything else was a complete waste of time. Will we have a new set of players ready for the start of training? Will any new players manage to stay fit? Will the new players be ready to play a big part during the coming season rather than them needing a full season to get up to speed like the players we brought in during our poor run since relegation from the Premiership. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 28, 2024 18:50:48 GMT 1
Balker? Injured a lot. Maybe he'll be great after a proper preseason. Maybe he'll put his injury woes behind him. Might prove to be a decent long term option but we needed a short term boost. Exactly.Healey? Done well when he's been fit. Injury prone though, and expensive. Should be very useful in Lg1 (if we can keep him fit!) but we needed someone for the Championship. Another one that can only be described one for next seasonRadulovic? Hadn't played for months, and when he did it was in a far less physically demanding league at a much lower level. Essentially a project player, when we needed somebody to come in & hit the ground running. Matos was OK. Not brilliant, but the best outfield player we signed this season. Not Championship ready 4 signings, only one had any semblance of an immediate impact - and the problem of the lack of a creative midfielder was not addressed. The three who are still here might be brilliant next season - but that window can't be classed as a success because we didn't address the problems we had. Primarily though, it's not the quality of the window so much as the back of a coherent plan to base it on. That's the first thing we need. We need a long term strategy. An identity. A way of playing and the whole club set up with that identity in mind. Up to now the whole running of the football side has been reactive, with no forward planning whatsoever. After a miserable summer some of which Cartwright was not around for, a lot of people said he needed to be given January to show what he can do. We seem to have not learned anything and certainly cartwright hasent. It was January and we were in dire need of a lift and needed Championship ready players ready to hit the ground running. Anything else was a complete waste of time. Will we have a new set of players ready for the start of training? Will any new players manage to stay fit? Will the new players be ready to play a big part during the coming season rather than them needing a full season to get up to speed like the players we brought in during our poor run since relegation from the Premiership. I can excuse the summer. He couldn't start until other clubs were already a month ahead. The Darren Moore appointment - a difficult sell, but maybe he can be excused not knowing the fans' culture of enjoying attacking, full throttle football. And maybe he was under pressure to appoint quickly after Mr Warnock's comments post-Norwich, so couldn't necessarily wait until somebody better became available (in hindsight, Danny Roehl was available, but at the time I can excuse him for not knowing how great a coach he'd be). The January window was a failure too, but it's a difficult time to do business, especially when you're in as weak a negotiating position as we were at the time. Breitenreiter was a failure, although that too could have been a great appointment. Right guy at the wrong time? Getting the chance to sign up someone with his CV seems too good an opportunity to turn down. It was not an obvious failure at the time. 4 failures, but with 4 plausible excuses. I can see no excuse this time around. If this summer goes badly, then there can be no hiding place. Because whilst the optimist can claim that he's only had one bad window that was his fault, the pessimist would point to 5 failures in a row. If the window is ok (but only ok), that might be enough to save his job because of the work on the facilities and the academy behind the scenes. And I accept the argument that with the size of the rebuild required, getting a new DoF and having them start late summer would give whoever his replacement is, too little time to turn it around (and they too would have their first failure with a plausible excuse). But my guess is that if it's not looking a lot more optimistic by the time the window closes in a little over 3 months, then knives will be getting sharpened. |
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Post by goodbet on May 28, 2024 19:02:04 GMT 1
After a miserable summer some of which Cartwright was not around for, a lot of people said he needed to be given January to show what he can do. We seem to have not learned anything and certainly cartwright hasent. It was January and we were in dire need of a lift and needed Championship ready players ready to hit the ground running. Anything else was a complete waste of time. Will we have a new set of players ready for the start of training? Will any new players manage to stay fit? Will the new players be ready to play a big part during the coming season rather than them needing a full season to get up to speed like the players we brought in during our poor run since relegation from the Premiership. I can excuse the summer. He couldn't start until other clubs were already a month ahead. The Darren Moore appointment - a difficult sell, but maybe he can be excused not knowing the fans' culture of enjoying attacking, full throttle football. And maybe he was under pressure to appoint quickly after Mr Warnock's comments post-Norwich, so couldn't necessarily wait until somebody better became available (in hindsight, Danny Roehl was available, but at the time I can excuse him for not knowing how great a coach he'd be). The January window was a failure too, but it's a difficult time to do business, especially when you're in as weak a negotiating position as we were at the time. Breitenreiter was a failure, although that too could have been a great appointment. Right guy at the wrong time? Getting the chance to sign up someone with his CV seems too good an opportunity to turn down. It was not an obvious failure at the time. 4 failures, but with 4 plausible excuses. I can see no excuse this time around. If this summer goes badly, then there can be no hiding place. Because whilst the optimist can claim that he's only had one bad window that was his fault, the pessimist would point to 5 failures in a row. If the window is ok (but only ok), that might be enough to save his job because of the work on the facilities and the academy behind the scenes. And I accept the argument that with the size of the rebuild required, getting a new DoF and having them start late summer would give whoever his replacement is, too little time to turn it around (and they too would have their first failure with a plausible excuse). But my guess is that if it's not looking a lot more optimistic by the time the window closes in a little over 3 months, then knives will be getting sharpened. I would have found it easier to forgive him the summer if he was not washing his hands of everything and via his bots on here everything was laying everything at Warnocks door and I know that Warnock is no saint. Funny how we are in a better place than we were last year although we were relegated, he needs to get real if he wants people to give him an even chance. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 28, 2024 20:14:25 GMT 1
I can excuse the summer. He couldn't start until other clubs were already a month ahead. The Darren Moore appointment - a difficult sell, but maybe he can be excused not knowing the fans' culture of enjoying attacking, full throttle football. And maybe he was under pressure to appoint quickly after Mr Warnock's comments post-Norwich, so couldn't necessarily wait until somebody better became available (in hindsight, Danny Roehl was available, but at the time I can excuse him for not knowing how great a coach he'd be). The January window was a failure too, but it's a difficult time to do business, especially when you're in as weak a negotiating position as we were at the time. Breitenreiter was a failure, although that too could have been a great appointment. Right guy at the wrong time? Getting the chance to sign up someone with his CV seems too good an opportunity to turn down. It was not an obvious failure at the time. 4 failures, but with 4 plausible excuses. I can see no excuse this time around. If this summer goes badly, then there can be no hiding place. Because whilst the optimist can claim that he's only had one bad window that was his fault, the pessimist would point to 5 failures in a row. If the window is ok (but only ok), that might be enough to save his job because of the work on the facilities and the academy behind the scenes. And I accept the argument that with the size of the rebuild required, getting a new DoF and having them start late summer would give whoever his replacement is, too little time to turn it around (and they too would have their first failure with a plausible excuse). But my guess is that if it's not looking a lot more optimistic by the time the window closes in a little over 3 months, then knives will be getting sharpened. I would have found it easier to forgive him the summer if he was not washing his hands of everything and via his bots on here everything was laying everything at Warnocks door and I know that Warnock is no saint. Funny how we are in a better place than we were last year although we were relegated, he needs to get real if he wants people to give him an even chance. I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on May 28, 2024 20:22:46 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure horizontal stripes make you look thinner? Perhaps Tom Edwards just had the wrong stripes ?
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Post by Flowerdisco on May 28, 2024 20:24:18 GMT 1
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Post by Tinpot on May 28, 2024 21:08:28 GMT 1
I thought it was the stripes on my shirt that made me look fat, but it turns out it was just pies and cake all along.
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Post by htafcokay on May 28, 2024 21:14:44 GMT 1
I would have found it easier to forgive him the summer if he was not washing his hands of everything and via his bots on here everything was laying everything at Warnocks door and I know that Warnock is no saint. Funny how we are in a better place than we were last year although we were relegated, he needs to get real if he wants people to give him an even chance. I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. People are blaming Cartwright because they don't want any criticism to be levelled at Nagle. Similar to how Ross Wilson would always get it in the neck instead of Hoyle in the early days, then Julian Winter became the fans' favourite punchbag as we weren't allowed to level any criticism whatsoever at Hoyle. Funny how things turn around. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 28, 2024 21:24:52 GMT 1
I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. People are blaming Cartwright because they don't want any criticism to be levelled at Nagle. Similar to how Ross Wilson would always get it in the neck instead of Hoyle in the early days, then Julian Winter became the fans' favourite punchbag as we weren't allowed to level any criticism whatsoever at Hoyle. Funny how things turn around. He carries that mantle at Blackpool now after their season ticket price were announced. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 28, 2024 21:32:55 GMT 1
People are blaming Cartwright because they don't want any criticism to be levelled at Nagle. Similar to how Ross Wilson would always get it in the neck instead of Hoyle in the early days, then Julian Winter became the fans' favourite punchbag as we weren't allowed to level any criticism whatsoever at Hoyle. Funny how things turn around. He carries that mantle at Blackpool now after their season ticket price were announced. One bizarre criticism of him on here was that he hadn't celebrated when we scored against Watford in the Premier League, so that automatically meant that he wasn't a Town fan and didn't give a shit about us. Crackers. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on May 28, 2024 21:52:48 GMT 1
I thought it was the stripes on my shirt that made me look fat, but it turns out it was just pies and cake all along. 😀😄 |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2024 22:06:57 GMT 1
I would have found it easier to forgive him the summer if he was not washing his hands of everything and via his bots on here everything was laying everything at Warnocks door and I know that Warnock is no saint. Funny how we are in a better place than we were last year although we were relegated, he needs to get real if he wants people to give him an even chance. I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. Possibly because the transfer window hasn't opened yet? |
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Post by Tinpot on May 28, 2024 22:42:55 GMT 1
I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. Possibly because the transfer window hasn't opened yet? That hasn't stopped Rotherham doing a fair bit of business so far! Nonetheless, I'm not panicking or using that as a stick to beat the club with just yet! Just commenting on the scale of the rebuild and how much business needs to be done (in and out) in order to make us somewhere approaching capable of the target we've set ourselves. |
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Post by space hardware on May 28, 2024 22:50:26 GMT 1
He carries that mantle at Blackpool now after their season ticket price were announced. One bizarre criticism of him on here was that he hadn't celebrated when we scored against Watford in the Premier League, so that automatically meant that he wasn't a Town fan and didn't give a shit about us. Crackers. To be fair, there's a well known pic of him just after Ince scored, where everyone around him is going ape shit. He looks like someone has pinched his wallet. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 28, 2024 23:01:01 GMT 1
One bizarre criticism of him on here was that he hadn't celebrated when we scored against Watford in the Premier League, so that automatically meant that he wasn't a Town fan and didn't give a shit about us. Crackers. To be fair, there's a well known pic of him just after Ince scored, where everyone around him is going ape shit. He looks like someone has pinched his wallet. Means absolutely nothing though. People react differently at games. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jun 17, 2024 22:25:05 GMT 1
@justasmithers, you appear to know something about this ‘ere basketball game. What’s the craic with Caitlin Clark and all the hassle she’s getting from other players?
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Post by rougeboy31 on Jun 17, 2024 22:56:59 GMT 1
@justasmithers, you appear to know something about this ‘ere basketball game. What’s the craic with Caitlin Clark and all the hassle she’s getting from other players? She’s straight out of college and already has way more fans and interest surrounding her and they don’t like it. |
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Post by Justasmithers on Jun 18, 2024 1:04:43 GMT 1
@justasmithers, you appear to know something about this ‘ere basketball game. What’s the craic with Caitlin Clark and all the hassle she’s getting from other players? That’s an incredibly deep topic which has a ton of answers depending on who you ask. As someone whose best friend is an ex-WNBA player, it’s layers upon layers. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 18, 2024 1:09:02 GMT 1
I think he's in the last chance saloon regardless TBH. The worrying thing for his future is the expectation vs the size of rebuild needed. There are few clubs in Lg1 with higher expectations of success, and we're miles behind where we need to be to meet that expectation. People are blaming Cartwright because they don't want any criticism to be levelled at Nagle. Similar to how Ross Wilson would always get it in the neck instead of Hoyle in the early days, then Julian Winter became the fans' favourite punchbag as we weren't allowed to level any criticism whatsoever at Hoyle. Funny how things turn around. Must admit, it does increasingly look like the guys at the very top don't really know what they're doing. Hopefully that's not the case...they talk a good game but have pretty much failed on everything so far. Lets roll back for example to positive stadium news weeks away last November/December? I've got a long list that follows! Even the good news on season ticket pricing seemed by all accounts to be the result of a last minute about-turn, rather than being an actual strategic decision. But, it's all OK, cos some people say Kevin is relentless in his pursuit of success. He/they have ONLY ever demonstrated an ability to lead failure in actual competitive jeopardy laden football 🤷♂️ I HOPE he gets chance to show otherwise, as thats what we all want, and he does seem a very likeable person to have as the figurehead. |
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Post by calken on Jun 18, 2024 11:17:00 GMT 1
Must admit, it does increasingly look like the guys at the very top don't really know what they're doing. Football has to be one of the most aggressive markets in the world. Everyone is out to take money from you and with the amount of money washing around, it attracts the kind of people who would happily run over their own Grandma if it got them more money or status. Football pretends to be a business, but it is far from it. It's more like a cartel. Nagle and co. are no doubt on a steep learning curve and I hope they learn from their experiences. |
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Post by waggers on Jun 18, 2024 11:50:41 GMT 1
@justasmithers, you appear to know something about this ‘ere basketball game. What’s the craic with Caitlin Clark and all the hassle she’s getting from other players? That’s an incredibly deep topic which has a ton of answers depending on who you ask. As someone whose best friend is an ex-WNBA player, it’s layers upon layers. I believe it's because this young girl is a bit different and doesn't fit the mould, she's very good though and gets a lot of fans and media attention. She's increased match attendances by a tonne and a lot of players are jealous by how many fans are coming for her. The established players don't like that they're being overshadowed and that this girl is different. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 18, 2024 12:45:38 GMT 1
Must admit, it does increasingly look like the guys at the very top don't really know what they're doing. Football has to be one of the most aggressive markets in the world. Everyone is out to take money from you and with the amount of money washing around, it attracts the kind of people who would happily run over their own Grandma if it got them more money or status. Football pretends to be a business, but it is far from it. It's more like a cartel. Nagle and co. are no doubt on a steep learning curve and I hope they learn from their experiences. I've often said/thought, "the people who own a football club are by very definition not the people who should be owning football clubs". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 14:08:49 GMT 1
Football has to be one of the most aggressive markets in the world. Everyone is out to take money from you and with the amount of money washing around, it attracts the kind of people who would happily run over their own Grandma if it got them more money or status. Football pretends to be a business, but it is far from it. It's more like a cartel. Nagle and co. are no doubt on a steep learning curve and I hope they learn from their experiences. I've often said/thought, "the people who own a football club are by very definition not the people who should be owning football clubs". So who should own football clubs? |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 18, 2024 14:26:41 GMT 1
I've often said/thought, "the people who own a football club are by very definition not the people who should be owning football clubs". So who should own football clubs? People who don't own football clubs. As someone else has intimated, I don't think they should be independent businesses, because they aren't. |
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jun 18, 2024 14:29:16 GMT 1
I've often said/thought, "the people who own a football club are by very definition not the people who should be owning football clubs". So who should own football clubs? Wealthy Northern Mill owners? The only things that've changed in 150 years is both the size of the wealth and the expected return on investment. Gone are the days of a football club being the plaything of the local rich bloke. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 14:29:44 GMT 1
So who should own football clubs? People who don't own football clubs. As someone else has intimated, I don't think they should be independent businesses, because they aren't. What should they be? |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 18, 2024 15:30:31 GMT 1
People who don't own football clubs. As someone else has intimated, I don't think they should be independent businesses, because they aren't. What should they be? Charitable donation backed non-profit organisations operated for the collective public/community benefit. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 18, 2024 15:35:38 GMT 1
I've often said/thought, "the people who own a football club are by very definition not the people who should be owning football clubs". So who should own football clubs? I think that it is meant like, those who want to be MP's should not be allowed to become one. That is because those are the type of people who should never become MP's. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 18, 2024 15:49:09 GMT 1
So who should own football clubs? I think that it is meant like, those who want to be MP's should not be allowed to become one. That is because those are the type of people who should never become MP's. Yes, I agree with that too! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2024 15:51:43 GMT 1
Charitable donation backed non-profit organisations operated for the collective public/community benefit. That's going to get you into the Premier League and competing in Europe. |
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