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Post by townarentbest on Sept 30, 2024 19:51:39 GMT 1
Probably the best point on that was if Town don’t turn things round and end up in midtable they’ll be playing in a half empty ground by the end of the season. That’s bang on. Town fans I’ve spoken to this week are beyond sick of false promises. Least it will be a shiny half empty stadium though 👀 Ground share with the Giants in a couple years time at their new ground, flatten the John Smiths and build a theme park or something fun. |
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Post by nearwildheaven on Sept 30, 2024 21:03:11 GMT 1
Even he can't perform his loaves and fishes trick with this lot. It would be a start if he could get a corner beyond the near post. Problem is he's not too good with crosses. (I'll get my coat) |
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Post by wigster on Oct 2, 2024 0:20:53 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave
- you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones).
You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters.
You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division.
The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc).
But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is.
I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence.
One of these people is Mark Cartwright.
I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense.
As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview.
As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving.
The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes.
Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now.
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Post by willo on Oct 2, 2024 0:45:12 GMT 1
Apathy for me set in as soon we were relegated following all sorts of promises to do this, that & the other. Honestly, I can’t remember the last time I was less interested in Town and it’s such a shame because our current position is purely all of our own doing. As it stands, I don’t know when I’ll be watching my first game of this season in the flesh and that’s from a previous long time season ticket (card) holder.
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Post by Orinoco on Oct 2, 2024 0:58:20 GMT 1
At last a sensible post, rock on rockwall👍👍 Sensible by what definition. We are not talking about building Rome and as for anyone with knowledge. Anyone with an iota of knowledge even petty school kids or bed wetters realises getting RELEGATED to L1 does not fit into the soon be in the Prem plan. Reality seems to be a big problem for some of you keyboard fans. The issues start with the manager, tactics, poor quality signings, clueless cant be arsed players and a small number of deluded fans who like to chill on a Sunday. Anyone who thinks Nagle will be happy with the current state of affairs is an idiot, the only people happy are those posting chill BS. Senible cos it is, more to life than the ego tripping headphone overpaid modern day footie player, as long as there is a usb socket on the tean bus they be in heaven. |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 2, 2024 0:59:58 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave - you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones). You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters. You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division. The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc). But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is. I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence. One of these people is Mark Cartwright. I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense. As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview. As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving. The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes. Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now. There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. |
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Post by willo on Oct 2, 2024 1:14:45 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave - you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones). You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters. You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division. The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc). But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is. I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence. One of these people is Mark Cartwright. I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense. As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview. As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving. The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes. Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now. There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. What an odd post! Wigster’s post is restrained and hardly “playing up to the reactionary masses”. It’s not one posted because we only lost 1-0 at Birmingham tonight (although it could easily have been many more) but more because of recent poor results and even poorer performances going back to almost the start of the season. We have not improved one iota on last season and arguably are an even worse team now. But hey you keep imagining all is going well. |
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Post by wigster on Oct 2, 2024 1:53:02 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave - you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones). You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters. You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division. The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc). But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is. I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence. One of these people is Mark Cartwright. I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense. As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview. As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving. The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes. Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now. There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. What on earth are you talking about  |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 2, 2024 1:54:26 GMT 1
There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. What an odd post! Wigster’s post is restrained and hardly “playing up to the reactionary masses”. It’s not one posted because we only lost 1-0 at Birmingham tonight (although it could easily have been many more) but more because of recent poor results and even poorer performances going back to almost the start of the season. We have not improved one iota on last season and arguably are an even worse team now. But hey you keep imagining all is going well. When did I say losing was going well. Why was it not posted before kick-off or at half time? |
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Post by harri54 on Oct 2, 2024 1:58:59 GMT 1
There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. What on earth are you talking about I'm talking about the option of engaging brain. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 2, 2024 4:57:11 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave - you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones). You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters. You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division. The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc). But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is. I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence. One of these people is Mark Cartwright. I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense. As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview. As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving. The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes. Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now. There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. Ironic really that their post seems to have been taken far more seriously than yours 😂 |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Oct 2, 2024 8:51:20 GMT 1
Carmichael Dave - you were good enough the other night/morning to share a few posts with me, and the main thrust of your replies was that not only do you and Kevin care about the supporters but that you read almost everything that is said and posted by them (I'm not talking about the foul-mouthed rude ones). You must by now have picked up the feeling of disappointment and almost helplessness that pervades not only DATM but, I suspect, most of the other contacts that you and Mr Nagle have with all Town supporters. You obviously don't have a magic wand and we fully realise that turning round Town's fortunes is a massive job. But as yet - after last season and the start of this - there seems to be little, if any progress of all as a result of your actions. It can actually be argued that we are now going downhill even faster, in a lower division. The ground improvements are welcome and we are genuinely grateful for them, as are the improvements in other non-football areas (the offices etc). But they don't mean very much at all if the football on offer is as poor as it is. I totally accept that, for the most part, Kevin Nagle is thousands of miles away and has to delegate football matters to other people. He accepts that he is still learning about football in England and therefore pays other people to run the club in his absence. One of these people is Mark Cartwright. I appreciate you've had experience of Mr Cartwright's work over in America ( and I don't fully understand the "influence" that Beswick's Legal has re his position at Huddersfield Town, nor on the incoming transfers of some players) but surely Kevin Nagle has recognised what an absolute disaster his tenure at Town has been (and go on any Stoke supporters' forum to see what they think of what he did at Stoke City). Almost without exception the players he has brought in to our beloved club have been found to be way below the standard required. The opportunity cost must be immense. As a result, Mr Nagle has lost a lot of money, Huddersfield Town are plummeting down Division ONE, and Michael Duff looks more stressed with every post-match interview. As a Huddersfield Town supporter I cannot really look to the future with any great optimism at the moment. We already seem to be at the stage of "we'll have to wait till the January Transfer window opening" but as long as Mark Cartwright remains in control of much of the football side I, and I would argue the vast majority of Town supporters, have little hope of things improving. The fact that Kevin Nagle said that he re-interviewed Mr Cartwright for his job speaks volumes. Please,Carmichael Dave - show us that you DO listen and advise your friend Mr Nagle that if he wants to start getting rid of the anger and disappointment - soon to become apathy - that is beginning to pervade Huddersfield Town supporters, he needs to take action now. There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. We didn't just "lose". Other than the first 15 mins, we were humbled, thrashed. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 9:02:00 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant.
Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner…..
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Post by deucebigalow77 on Oct 2, 2024 9:08:37 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. He probably feels he can't win. One minute it's stay off social media the next it's where are ya |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 2, 2024 9:22:11 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. He probably feels he can't win. One minute it's stay off social media the next it's where are ya If that was the case, though, it would have happened sooner….he was popping up all last season regardless |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 9:40:16 GMT 1
There are two types of inappropriate on here tonight. It's quite possible to DM somebody if you want to give advice that should be private, playing up to the reactionary masses when we lose away 1.0 to top of the league isn't a good look if you wish your message to be taken seriously, as if presented with deep consideration. We didn't just "lose". Other than the first 15 mins, we were humbled, thrashed. Sad but true and I know they've spent a fortune but last night they showed the owner what good players and a good team looks like. It's laughable now to think that we expected to be competing with them for the top two, but it shouldn't be. They were still working their arses off trying to get a second whilst we were plodding around going through the motions looking half arsed and disorganised. Difficult to pinpoint problems because there are so many: Don't look motivated. Don't look fit. Don't look organised. Weird formation, two players on each flank, just the one in midfield. New striker on a two fecking year deal who looks levels below Harrat. Entire team looks like it's running through treacle (except miller). It's almost like being a DoF is a bit more than buying anyone from the L1 team of the season who is available cheap. Also anyone who's been promoted from L1. With Nigel in particular that's a red flag not a positive since he's still at the same level two years later. I don't know whether it's the whole setup, ie poor coaching, poor fitness, poor injury prevention, poor culture and crap signings or it's the coach who doesn't really know what he's doing. I suspect a lot of the latter and a bit of the former. What a mess. It's going to be a very shiny but very empty stadium soon. Tbh I expect Kevin to take some sort of action pretty soon, he's been naive but he's no idiot. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 2, 2024 9:52:20 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. Chicken and Hartrick made a great point on their podcast. When he has come out and slaughtered a much changed team full of academy players for losing in the BSM trophy then he leaves himself nowhere to go. You would think the next message he posts following a defeat will likely mean the end for someone at the club. He’s backed himself into a corner. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 9:55:52 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. Chicken and Hartrick made a great point on their podcast. When he has come out and slaughtered a much changed team full of academy players for losing in the BSM trophy then he leaves himself nowhere to go. You would think the next message he posts following a defeat will likely mean the end for someone at the club. He’s backed himself into a corner. I think too much is made of the odd tweet personally. So what if he tweets now and again. Players and staff shouldn't let it affect them. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Oct 2, 2024 9:59:47 GMT 1
Chicken and Hartrick made a great point on their podcast. When he has come out and slaughtered a much changed team full of academy players for losing in the BSM trophy then he leaves himself nowhere to go. You would think the next message he posts following a defeat will likely mean the end for someone at the club. He’s backed himself into a corner. I think too much is made of the odd tweet personally. So what if he tweets now and again. Players and staff shouldn't let it affect them. I agree but he’s chosen probably the least impactful defeat to lose his rag. Just makes him look like he’s lost perspective. Since then we’ve had arguably the worst home performance in many a year and lost 4 league games on the spin. |
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Post by townarentbest on Oct 2, 2024 10:12:13 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. They've collectively said..."there's nothing to say, we just need to win" Could be some wait to hear from them again 😅😕 I understand the approach, but it stinks for me, especially off the back of the "all in it together" re-branding down the lamp-posts etc. We win together, but we also lose together, so come and join us. Yes, there will be an angry few who will react and pick apart words etc, but it feels a bit weak like they're hiding from the bad news, even if thats not the case (which I'm sure it isn't). I don't know if its "the american way" perhaps, but I got the same impression from the "how to buy a club" Youtube series, and the sporadic release of episodes (and the non-release of the supposedly finished and edited final episode), it felt like they only wanted to engage in the good times, which is a pretty silly way to go about building a relationship with your customers in the football world given how few extended good times you're likely to actually live through. Whats being said in the tough times defines the supporter relationship far more than the easy platitudes that come out when all is rosy. Unfortunately the leadership team is failing massively with their comms in what has become an extended tough time. The club has done a handful of really good things over this last year - such as these www.htafc.com/supporters/you-said-we-did - come out and TALK about them, and whats coming next. From the Fan Engagement plan > " We will continue having regular meaningful dialogue with our fans through surveys, fan group meetings, social media, supporter drop-in sessions and events" doesnt have a "but only when we're winning" addendum. There's a "Fan Event – in person Q&A/Fan Forum" (aside from the ATT meeting) scheduled this month, it'll be interesting to see who attends and how that goes. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 10:19:26 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. They've collectively said..."there's nothing to say, we just need to win" Could be some wait to hear from them again 😅😕 I understand the approach, but it stinks for me, especially off the back of the "all in it together" re-branding down the lamp-posts etc. We win together, but we also lose together, so come and join us. Yes, there will be an angry few who will react and pick apart words etc, but it feels a bit weak like they're hiding from the bad news, even if thats not the case (which I'm sure it isn't). I don't know if its "the american way" perhaps, but I got the same impression from the "how to buy a club" Youtube series, and the sporadic release of episodes (and the non-release of the supposedly finished and edited final episode), it felt like they only wanted to engage in the good times, which is a pretty silly way to go about building a relationship with your customers in the football world given how few extended good times you're likely to actually live through. Whats being said in the tough times defines the supporter relationship far more than the easy platitudes that come out when all is rosy. Unfortunately the leadership team is failing massively with their comms in what has become an extended tough time. The club has done a handful of really good things over this last year - such as these www.htafc.com/supporters/you-said-we-did - come out and TALK about them, and whats coming next. From the Fan Engagement plan > " We will continue having regular meaningful dialogue with our fans through surveys, fan group meetings, social media, supporter drop-in sessions and events" doesnt have a "but only when we're winning" addendum. There's a "Fan Event – in person Q&A/Fan Forum" (aside from the ATT meeting) scheduled this month, it'll be interesting to see who attends and how that goes. I was thinking about the missing episodes this morning. I can only think with the way things panned out, the content would have left them looking a bit stupid. Bit like "from a position of strength" and premier league in three years. It's looking feasible that it could well be L2 in 3 years. Maybe some Comms from the CEO now and again wouldn't go amiss. Have we ever had such an invisible leader? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Oct 2, 2024 10:27:11 GMT 1
'Everything together'
What a load of shit!
Where's the owner when the club badly needs leadership and direction? 5,000 miles away with his head buried in the sand, just like last season!
"We'll have boots on the ground all January" Blah, blah, bollocks!
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Post by Sio on Oct 2, 2024 10:29:34 GMT 1
'Everything together' What a load of shit! Where's the owner when the club badly needs leadership and direction? 5,000 miles away with his head buried in the sand, just like last season! "We'll have boots on the ground all January" Blah, blah, bollocks! Do we really want him doing his shouty NOT GOOD ENOUGH schtick? We need stability and signs of a plan. Everything he says or does it the opposite of that. I'd honestly rather him stay quiet and do his talking with action. |
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Post by benhomly on Oct 2, 2024 10:36:55 GMT 1
We didn't just "lose". Other than the first 15 mins, we were humbled, thrashed. Sad but true and I know they've spent a fortune but last night they showed the owner what good players and a good team looks like. It's laughable now to think that we expected to be competing with them for the top two, but it shouldn't be. They were still working their arses off trying to get a second whilst we were plodding around going through the motions looking half arsed and disorganised. Difficult to pinpoint problems because there are so many: Don't look motivated. Don't look fit. Don't look organised. Weird formation, two players on each flank, just the one in midfield. New striker on a two fecking year deal who looks levels below Harrat. Entire team looks like it's running through treacle (except miller). It's almost like being a DoF is a bit more than buying anyone from the L1 team of the season who is available cheap. Also anyone who's been promoted from L1. With Nigel in particular that's a red flag not a positive since he's still at the same level two years later. I don't know whether it's the whole setup, ie poor coaching, poor fitness, poor injury prevention, poor culture and crap signings or it's the coach who doesn't really know what he's doing. I suspect a lot of the latter and a bit of the former. What a mess. It's going to be a very shiny but very empty stadium soon. Tbh I expect Kevin to take some sort of action pretty soon, he's been naive but he's no idiot. All this slating of Ladapo is crazy IMO, and to say he looks levels below Harratt is laughable. Harratt will have nowhere near the career Ladapo has had, he can't even get in L2 Fleetwood's team. What Kev needs to be doing is asking why players like Ladapo, Evans, Sorensen etc who have all had either good long careers or who were players of the season at their clubs last season are all of a sudden looking like non league players. Something's clearly wrong but maybe it's just too easy to blame the players. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Oct 2, 2024 13:09:58 GMT 1
Chicken and Hartrick made a great point on their podcast. When he has come out and slaughtered a much changed team full of academy players for losing in the BSM trophy then he leaves himself nowhere to go. You would think the next message he posts following a defeat will likely mean the end for someone at the club. He’s backed himself into a corner. I think too much is made of the odd tweet personally. So what if he tweets now and again. Players and staff shouldn't let it affect them. I think he should do it more often. We won 4-0 after his last rant. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 2, 2024 13:21:02 GMT 1
Sad but true and I know they've spent a fortune but last night they showed the owner what good players and a good team looks like. It's laughable now to think that we expected to be competing with them for the top two, but it shouldn't be. They were still working their arses off trying to get a second whilst we were plodding around going through the motions looking half arsed and disorganised. Difficult to pinpoint problems because there are so many: Don't look motivated. Don't look fit. Don't look organised. Weird formation, two players on each flank, just the one in midfield. New striker on a two fecking year deal who looks levels below Harrat. Entire team looks like it's running through treacle (except miller). It's almost like being a DoF is a bit more than buying anyone from the L1 team of the season who is available cheap. Also anyone who's been promoted from L1. With Nigel in particular that's a red flag not a positive since he's still at the same level two years later. I don't know whether it's the whole setup, ie poor coaching, poor fitness, poor injury prevention, poor culture and crap signings or it's the coach who doesn't really know what he's doing. I suspect a lot of the latter and a bit of the former. What a mess. It's going to be a very shiny but very empty stadium soon. Tbh I expect Kevin to take some sort of action pretty soon, he's been naive but he's no idiot. All this slating of Ladapo is crazy IMO, and to say he looks levels below Harratt is laughable. Harratt will have nowhere near the career Ladapo has had, he can't even get in L2 Fleetwood's team. What Kev needs to be doing is asking why players like Ladapo, Evans, Sorensen etc who have all had either good long careers or who were players of the season at their clubs last season are all of a sudden looking like non league players. Something's clearly wrong but maybe it's just too easy to blame the players. Ladapo looks past it which might explain why nobody else wanted him. Bit like sanogo, niasse, puncheon etc It's what you get when you end up scraping the barrel. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Oct 3, 2024 8:11:01 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. Or they have learnt their lesson….finally. |
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Post by runner76 on Oct 3, 2024 8:50:11 GMT 1
The fact we’ve heard zero from the Chairman recently, given how poor it’s been going, and Dave has been unusually quiet, makes me think something is afoot. Either direction to not go on social media much (mmm, not likely) or some news brewing that is significant. Either way, at this time, you’d hope and expect some word from your owner….. Or they have learnt their lesson….finally. Well….Dave ‘liked’ this post, so take that as you will…… |
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Post by thomo on Oct 3, 2024 9:24:37 GMT 1
Sad but true and I know they've spent a fortune but last night they showed the owner what good players and a good team looks like. It's laughable now to think that we expected to be competing with them for the top two, but it shouldn't be. They were still working their arses off trying to get a second whilst we were plodding around going through the motions looking half arsed and disorganised. Difficult to pinpoint problems because there are so many: Don't look motivated. Don't look fit. Don't look organised. Weird formation, two players on each flank, just the one in midfield. New striker on a two fecking year deal who looks levels below Harrat. Entire team looks like it's running through treacle (except miller). It's almost like being a DoF is a bit more than buying anyone from the L1 team of the season who is available cheap. Also anyone who's been promoted from L1. With Nigel in particular that's a red flag not a positive since he's still at the same level two years later. I don't know whether it's the whole setup, ie poor coaching, poor fitness, poor injury prevention, poor culture and crap signings or it's the coach who doesn't really know what he's doing. I suspect a lot of the latter and a bit of the former. What a mess. It's going to be a very shiny but very empty stadium soon. Tbh I expect Kevin to take some sort of action pretty soon, he's been naive but he's no idiot. All this slating of Ladapo is crazy IMO, and to say he looks levels below Harratt is laughable. Harratt will have nowhere near the career Ladapo has had, he can't even get in L2 Fleetwood's team. What Kev needs to be doing is asking why players like Ladapo, Evans, Sorensen etc who have all had either good long careers or who were players of the season at their clubs last season are all of a sudden looking like non league players. Something's clearly wrong but maybe it's just too easy to blame the players. It's fair to say Ladapo 'was' a decent player. But it's possible with age he's lost what he had. We were hoping his spell at Charlton was an anomaly. But it doesn't look that way. Maybe he just needs more game time to get sharper. It wouldn't be the first time we've signed a previously good player a couple years too late. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Oct 3, 2024 9:34:10 GMT 1
I think too much is made of the odd tweet personally. So what if he tweets now and again. Players and staff shouldn't let it affect them. I think he should do it more often. We won 4-0 after his last rant. Exactly. Doesn’t hurt to let everyone know they are under pressure now and again. |
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