Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Jan 20, 2024 20:35:53 GMT 1
It’s not nonsense at all. It’s the moderate, unemotional, view. And it is what is likely to happen whether you like it or not. The club ain’t gonna jeopardise another window by sacking the manager with over a week left in it and whilst we’re trying to negotiate more deals. It’s just not sensible. Only a huge name, that is well respected, would change that and I don’t see that happening whatsoever. They’re going to back him and then see what happens / what he can do with a squad that isn’t as depleted. And that will be Feb at the earliest. It may have been shite, but we took a point today on the road, still missing key players. And we should have won it. But it could be worse and that is also why he won’t be sacked and soon. And that's why we'll be in League 1 next season. By keeping giving someone incompetent chance after chance. If that happens, you’ll have a point. But until then, it’s theoretical, isn’t it - the club clearly don’t think now is the time and that we have time on our side. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 20, 2024 20:36:00 GMT 1
Rudi should've scored but it was nowhere near the miss that it was being made out to be on here at the time. |
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Post by Larry David on Jan 20, 2024 20:36:18 GMT 1
I thought we were pretty average today. Never looked like losing but didn't go for it enough. Very frustrating.
Too many points in the game we seemed to be happy to slow the clock down too, players seemed happy with a point...why?. Fans didn't get behind them because there were large parts of the game where the players seemed to be in first gear.
The midfield is a problem. We bought wiles apparently to be a creator, he is far from that. Hogg can only pass backwards successfully and Matos looks like he could be that man but always seems to disappear to the wing. Rudoni is not a central midfielder. At points today I looked at the middle of the park and just saw Hogg surrounded with a radius of 30m of grass. Not a town player in sight. I've come to the opinion that Hogg can only play sweeper now.
Next two players in the door need to be midfielders and the sooner we can get ruffles back in, drop Jackson we will start to play better.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Jan 20, 2024 20:37:39 GMT 1
I don’t want ruin an evening reading back through the thread, anyone able to give a precis on the new chaps? Healey wasn't up to much, I think understandably given our lack of attacking play and his lack of familiarity with his teammates and our style of play (if you can call it that). His only chance was a back heel which would've been some goal but for a block by the Blackburn defender. Matos spent more time off his feet than any other Town player in recent memory- he was jumping and diving into tackles, and buying plenty of fouls. Not to much effect, but I really like his enthusiasm and I'm sure he'll have better games. Can see why Pochettino likes him. Radulovic offered something different, his link up play was good and he dropped deep to get involved without getting properly sucked in. Had a good chance which he did very well to set up for himself, but lacked the finish. May as well include Spencer even though he's not really new. He had probably the busiest game of anyone, played on the right of a back 3 this time, did a good job on Szmodics, there were some promising passes and runs forward too but they didn't quite come off for him. Thanks 👍 |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 20, 2024 20:39:19 GMT 1
Nicholls, didn't have much to do.
Back 3, solid, did their jobs well. Spencer has improved a lot. Had a very good game against Szmodics.
Hogg - thought he had a decent game, apart from the obvious. He didn't let him affect his game.
Rudoni - poor today. Should have scored
Matos - bundle of energy. Will learn the more he plays when to dive in and when not to.
Koroma and Healey didn't really get into the game. Knocked off the ball too easily.
Thomas - can't fault his effort. Thought he was probably up there with Helik and Spencer for MOTM.
Jackson - another REG. Not good enough. But can't fault effort or attitude.
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 20, 2024 20:42:02 GMT 1
As frustrating as it is, I think we need to make peace with the fact that DM is not going to openly critical of the team or players, especially after we draw away from home. He’s not that guy. He’s gonna give you the sanitised version in pressers. That’s his prerogative. And he thinks he’s protecting players and club alike by doing it that way. I’m not saying he should be bashing players, he needs to look at himself first as he’s bloody clueless. Saying that we have been putting strong performances in is a blatant lie and he’s mugging us fans off by saying so. |
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Tiro
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Post by Tiro on Jan 20, 2024 20:43:31 GMT 1
As frustrating as it is, I think we need to make peace with the fact that DM is not going to openly critical of the team or players, especially after we draw away from home. He’s not that guy. He’s gonna give you the sanitised version in pressers. That’s his prerogative. And he thinks he’s protecting players and club alike by doing it that way. I’m not saying he should be bashing players, he needs to look at himself first as he’s bloody clueless. Saying that we have been putting strong performances in is a blatant lie and he’s mugging us fans off by saying so. We’re going in circles. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Jan 20, 2024 20:45:19 GMT 1
Lose on Sunday he's gone.
Why he's not gone now I don't know. Nagle shouldn't be telling a defensive coach how to be playing football. Get an offensive coach in.
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Post by Dillinger on Jan 20, 2024 20:49:42 GMT 1
I'm really liking what I've seen of Spencer. Just a real shame Rudoni missed that chance in the first half, and Kasumu in the second. Agreed I don't think we played badly, just needed to scored those two guilt edge chances... Spencer is going to be some player. Jackson seems to have regressed, so once we get that left-sided wing back it might be good to send him on a League 1 loan next season if we are Championship still. I couldn't quite believe the Rudoni miss. He'll be awake at 02.00am thinking about it. I don't think Jackson is a wing back. He's a good defender, but compared to Headley he looks really uncomfortable going forward. Which sadly for him, that makes him somewhat incompatible with how Moore likes to play i.e back 3 with attacking full backs.. Thomas also looked like he was in a bit of a huff today having to play wing back... Difficult to recruit good players for that position though... |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jan 20, 2024 20:54:47 GMT 1
Should have won but another boring Saturday afternoon goes by.
Come on Nagle, do what needs to be done and let’s start having some fun with this venture of yours. You’re doing so much right here but sadly the most important piece of the jigsaw just doesn’t fit, and still won’t fit no matter how much time you give it.
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Post by rooster on Jan 20, 2024 20:56:14 GMT 1
We only went for it after an hour when Bojan came on. Friends who are Rovers fans said they rated Rudoni (I usually do but poor today I thought). Healey isolated, Bojan looks decent and without Helik we'd already be down.
Blackburn are not a good team as Moore said, could have been beaten if we'd gone for it.
However worst part of today was after they scored a carrier bag of sick was thrown hitting a bloke several rows ahead of me from a town fan. Absolutely disgusting. Hope whoever gets called out for this. Poor bloke was covered. Disgraceful
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Post by cuz on Jan 20, 2024 20:59:28 GMT 1
Lose on Sunday he's gone. Why he's not gone now I don't know. Nagle shouldn't be telling a defensive coach how to be playing football. Get an offensive coach in. That's a pretty damning assessment of the current situation. Fair play for firing the tough questions we all want. Interesting he didn't back Moore going forward - just said he has had a good career and is a nice guy. We must beat QPR! |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 20, 2024 21:02:12 GMT 1
0:59 - "I think we've got a weak spot"
We certainly have!
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Post by arnie on Jan 20, 2024 21:05:51 GMT 1
I think Blackburn have a similar problem to us.
Jon Dahl Tomasson quote:
We dominated the second half totally and did a lot of good things until it came to playing around the box and creating chances. They had some good transition moments when we made easy mistakes on the ball."
Sounds like somebody we know.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 20, 2024 21:12:34 GMT 1
I think Blackburn have a similar problem to us. Jon Dahl Tomasson quote: We dominated the second half totally and did a lot of good things until it came to playing around the box and creating chances. They had some good transition moments when we made easy mistakes on the ball." Sounds like somebody we know. Two managers who just cant make what they want, work. Our last 2 performances have been absolutely nowhere near championship standard in passing, control and support of the man on the ball. 3 wins in 22, manager still in place is begin to make us look a little stupid, not benevolent and willing to give folk a fair go. |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 20, 2024 21:23:19 GMT 1
Great point away, but... we need to start winning the home games. Genuine question, do you rate Moore? No. Next question and this could be a long evening. |
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Post by griffa on Jan 20, 2024 21:27:35 GMT 1
Rudi should've scored but it was nowhere near the miss that it was being made out to be on here at the time. Beautifully set up by Josh, awful miss, if he takes a touch, he scores - UTT. |
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Post by bleaklow on Jan 20, 2024 21:37:25 GMT 1
'In terms of winning', 3 out of 22 is a sackable offence. And Thomas is not a wing back because he struggles with the defensive side of his game, therefore the
formation is questionable.
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Post by morleyterrier on Jan 20, 2024 21:48:44 GMT 1
'In terms of winning', 3 out of 22 is a sackable offence. And Thomas is not a wing back because he struggles with the defensive side of his game, therefore the formation is questionable. 6 out of 22 is a sackable offence. |
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Post by Dillinger on Jan 20, 2024 22:02:28 GMT 1
'In terms of winning', 3 out of 22 is a sackable offence. And Thomas is not a wing back because he struggles with the defensive side of his game, therefore the formation is questionable. Defensively speaking, we've looked good with a back 3. So presumably that's why he's stuck with it, and I'd say probably something you would have to credit Moore with.. Helik - Lees - Spencer I think look a good back 3, bar Hoggs mistake we'd have had a clean sheet today, and this is even without Nicholas being at his best.. |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 20, 2024 22:11:05 GMT 1
Just an alternative take on Moore.
On the day after Warnock left and we didn’t know who the next manager was going to be. Where did you think we’d be in the league right now? Honestly? We are actually higher up the table than i would
have guessed with the strike force we have.
Probably due to the dross below us but is Moore really doing worse than expected?
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Jan 20, 2024 22:16:46 GMT 1
Interesting that he quotes Warnock when talking about what players you need not Moore!
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Post by k1man999 on Jan 20, 2024 22:18:55 GMT 1
I think Blackburn have a similar problem to us. Jon Dahl Tomasson quote: We dominated the second half totally and did a lot of good things until it came to playing around the box and creating chances. They had some good transition moments when we made easy mistakes on the ball." Sounds like somebody we know. Two managers who just cant make what they want, work. Our last 2 performances have been absolutely nowhere near championship standard in passing, control and support of the man on the ball. 3 wins in 22, manager still in place is begin to make us look a little stupid, not benevolent and willing to give folk a fair go. At least with Jon Dahl they have seen how he wants to play and had relative success barring a few key injuries last season could have made playoffs with Moore what is his style,philosophy even massive fans didn't know |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 20, 2024 22:19:10 GMT 1
'In terms of winning', 3 out of 22 is a sackable offence. And Thomas is not a wing back because he struggles with the defensive side of his game, therefore the formation is questionable. 6 out of 22 is a sackable offence. It really isn't. 6 wins with 8 draws and 8 defeats from the available games would have given us 26 points and would have been acceptable. |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 20, 2024 22:21:13 GMT 1
6 out of 22 is a sackable offence. It really isn't. 6 wins with 8 draws and 8 defeats from the available games would have given us 26 points and would have been acceptable. A win percentage of 28% would be acceptable? |
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Post by duncfost01 on Jan 20, 2024 22:24:24 GMT 1
We have better players on the pitch now and there is nowhere to hide. I sense Nagle’s patience is starting to run out.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jan 20, 2024 22:26:12 GMT 1
It really isn't. 6 wins with 8 draws and 8 defeats from the available games would have given us 26 points and would have been acceptable. A win percentage of 28% would be acceptable? Yes. |
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 20, 2024 22:26:22 GMT 1
We have better players on the pitch now and there is nowhere to hide. I sense Nagle’s patience is starting to run out. I hope it’s ran out and he’s gone first thing Monday morning. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 20, 2024 22:26:22 GMT 1
Rudi should've scored but it was nowhere near the miss that it was being made out to be on here at the time. Beautifully set up by Josh, awful miss, if he takes a touch, he scores - UTT. To be fair if Koroma had any confidence in himself he had a clear run at goal from halfway and could have easily gone one on one with keeper. Not sure why he slowed down and opted to pass but he did put it on a plate for Rudoni. |
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Post by SN0W on Jan 20, 2024 22:28:00 GMT 1
Interesting that he quotes Warnock when talking about what players you need not Moore! Yes, I picked up on that too. |
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