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Post by Porrohman on Jan 29, 2024 22:54:16 GMT 1
For the benefit of those whose computer or phone doesn't show the link, what does it say? Don't know. Not read it but I didn't get it from there. I got it from the same person who told me that DM had gone yesterday. Contract has been put on the table but talks to finalise backroom team and some other things are on going We've told Hecky that he can't bring the Ginger Prince ? 😁 |
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Post by NewMill Terrier on Jan 29, 2024 22:54:22 GMT 1
We only appoint from the merry go round now !!
No foreigners or outside the box candidates
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 29, 2024 22:55:22 GMT 1
We only appoint from the merry go round now !! No foreigners or outside the box candidates have you got any dieas, who we are intersted in or have interviewed etc ? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2024 22:58:55 GMT 1
Bit concerned that Heckingbottom and Cooper will have the same failings as Moore. They did well with significantly better squads than the teams they were competing with, both looked less convincing when they were in our position, having to get more from less. They both look good because of where they took over those teams and the transformation they brought, but both teams were underperforming with the talent available & budget according to bookies and pundits. We are about where most people think we should be and were one of the fav's for relegation before the season started. I think we need a manger like Mowbray or Warnock that can get players to play better than we think they can. Warnock did that last year with Koroma, Hungbo, Ward, Rudoni, Ruffles. I think Cooper and Heckingbottom have a track record for getting players to play as well as people think they should, not better. Are you and I thinking of the same Cooper? The former Forest and Swansea boss who looks like he fell asleep doing the mouth guard challenge? Personally I see someone who has his sides playing superbly entertaining football and getting success with them. I also think it's daft that we're even talking about him as though he's a realistic possibility. |
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Post by sheps on Jan 29, 2024 23:03:22 GMT 1
New manager? Castlehill’s source informed him DM would be here for Wednesday game. Very confused. I’ll take the enthusiastic bloke with his flat cap - the fans would embrace him day 1, sales of flat caps would rocket - will help cover some of compensation to Moore & his army of coaches. The last manager we got to try and sell flat caps didn’t work out well |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jan 29, 2024 23:04:11 GMT 1
This is gonna be a looooooonngg week
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Post by kjf on Jan 29, 2024 23:06:15 GMT 1
One name I've heard is Christian Ilzer
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2024 23:07:19 GMT 1
Didn’t someone mention Steffen Baumgart earlier today? First I've heard, but a good call nonetheless. Would be a coup, but not a cloud cuckoo land suggestion as far as I can see. My gut feeling is that it's going to be someone of the Duff, Heckingbottom or Pearson mould - and I'm not totally against that - but this would bring a bit of excitement. At least initially. |
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Post by stinkypete on Jan 29, 2024 23:11:23 GMT 1
No idea who this Baumgart is but I really want him to be our next manager! Looks a right character!
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Post by NewMill Terrier on Jan 29, 2024 23:12:40 GMT 1
We only appoint from the merry go round now !! No foreigners or outside the box candidates have you got any dieas, who we are intersted in or have interviewed etc ? Only that Heckingbottom was definitely spoken to prior to Moores sacking(Think I commented on a thread around a week ago when someone asked who we had been speaking to).. I'm guessing there were more than one candidate though so no idea who they've decided on or if they have...odds on Heck seem quite revealing though 🤷🏻♂️ |
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 29, 2024 23:12:50 GMT 1
One name I've heard is Christian Ilzer Bringing Stank back with him ? |
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Post by upthetown on Jan 29, 2024 23:14:58 GMT 1
Baumgart or Hurzeler certainly sound like interesting options.
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Post by bells ringing :) on Jan 29, 2024 23:15:44 GMT 1
have you got any dieas, who we are intersted in or have interviewed etc ? Only that Heckingbottom was definitely spoken to prior to Moores sacking(Think I commented on a thread around a week ago when someone asked who we had been speaking to).. I'm guessing there were more than one candidate though so no idea who they've decided on or if they have...odds on Heck seem quite revealing though 🤷🏻♂️ well whoever it is, cartwright will know he is under pressure to get it right , therefore i think or would asume nothing is off the table. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jan 29, 2024 23:18:38 GMT 1
One name I've heard is Christian Ilzer Presumably not from a particularly reliable source. This season he's taken his players to PSV and Sporting Lisbon. Next season he's going to take them to Stockport County and Cambridge United... That'll take some selling! |
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Post by boooothy on Jan 29, 2024 23:19:15 GMT 1
The fact Worthington is in charge Saturday has thrown me a little. I thought the replacement was all lined up ready to go. Maybe it is as suggested sorting out the back room staff.
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Post by wildhogg on Jan 29, 2024 23:34:06 GMT 1
Not sure what it is about Heckingbottom, with his record you'd think he'd be a solid enough appointment. However, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, he's far from appealing and would have eery echoes of Moore.
Gary Rowett wouldn’t set the world alight for most fans, but I'd be happy with him. He sets up with a clear structure and style. We'd be organised and efficient, which is what we're desperately lacking. I think he'd do well here. Millwall were daft to sack him.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 29, 2024 23:38:24 GMT 1
The fact Worthington is in charge Saturday has thrown me a little. I thought the replacement was all lined up ready to go. Maybe it is as suggested sorting out the back room staff. Or the new manager is coming from abroad and has stuff to sort out at home first. We can hope anyway. |
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Post by softboy on Jan 29, 2024 23:44:52 GMT 1
Passport perhaps
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 29, 2024 23:48:03 GMT 1
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Post by steo1986 on Jan 29, 2024 23:48:36 GMT 1
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Post by specialun on Jan 29, 2024 23:55:04 GMT 1
What is this attacking football that keeps being bandied about..... what folks really mean is they want winning football surely? I dont want more lee clark stuff which fails to bring success but which at times sees you win 5-0 or 6-0. Maybe im old fashioned but i want us to succeed - by winning games consistently. If it’s a straight choice between winning and not, we’d take whatever. But when given a choice, which we theoretically have, there’s a brand of winning football and it’s that we’re debating. For example, I’d take Wagner’s brand over Coberan everyday. Both did the very same, bar one cheating get, but I can’t say I was entertained during the Coberan era. It was effective, but it was absolutely dour 95% of the time. It is possible, whilst we debate, to choose a winning style over another. Spot on I think ‘attacking’ is mis leading - there are lots of ways to play attacking football We want winning football - that tends to mean goals & people associate it with entertainment … At times we played very defensively under Warnock but there was a clear plan or often several within phases of games, it was engaging and when we attacked the had a purpose. It wasn’t pure or a longer term way of posing but was entertaining. More importantly is we have a clear identity - to me more than attacking is we play on the front foot, opposition half, close down, high intensity. That is attacking but it’s the way we do it which makes it so £ for £ we can’t compete in this division all things being equal trying to play free flowing football simply as bigger teams who try to do it have better players - obviously helps if we get future England regular on loan from Chelsea, keep your Toffolo / O’Brien etc (keep Helik / Rudoni key got next season)etc but we have to have a way of being better as a team than our parts. Our own style and being good at it is a key part of that |
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Post by utttrooper on Jan 29, 2024 23:59:29 GMT 1
Not sure what it is about Heckingbottom, with his record you'd think he'd be a solid enough appointment. However, for some reason I can't quite put my finger on, he's far from appealing and would have eery echoes of Moore. Gary Rowett wouldn’t set the world alight for most fans, but I'd be happy with him. He sets up with a clear structure and style. We'd be organised and efficient, which is what we're desperately lacking. I think he'd do well here. Millwall were daft to sack him. I would be happy with Rowett because he'd get results despite the inevitably dreadful football though I'm sure i speak for the many when I say the football doesn't matter if it gets results like under Warnock but does when we aren't like under Mr Bore Draw |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jan 30, 2024 0:11:32 GMT 1
Can't see anybody getting attacking football out of this squad unless we bring in a playmaker in the next two days. Bought two strikers, still nobody to supply them, zero invention in this team. I like Matos but he isn't the signing in midfield that we really needed.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 30, 2024 0:11:49 GMT 1
If it’s a straight choice between winning and not, we’d take whatever. But when given a choice, which we theoretically have, there’s a brand of winning football and it’s that we’re debating. For example, I’d take Wagner’s brand over Coberan everyday. Both did the very same, bar one cheating get, but I can’t say I was entertained during the Coberan era. It was effective, but it was absolutely dour 95% of the time. It is possible, whilst we debate, to choose a winning style over another. Spot on I think ‘attacking’ is mis leading - there are lots of ways to play attacking football We want winning football - that tends to mean goals & people associate it with entertainment … At times we played very defensively under Warnock but there was a clear plan or often several within phases of games, it was engaging and when we attacked the had a purpose. It wasn’t pure or a longer term way of posing but was entertaining. More importantly is we have a clear identity - to me more than attacking is we play on the front foot, opposition half, close down, high intensity. That is attacking but it’s the way we do it which makes it so £ for £ we can’t compete in this division all things being equal trying to play free flowing football simply as bigger teams who try to do it have better players - obviously helps if we get future England regular on loan from Chelsea, keep your Toffolo / O’Brien etc (keep Helik / Rudoni key got next season)etc but we have to have a way of being better as a team than our parts. Our own style and being good at it is a key part of that Whilst i agree - we dont have too many players suited to the high intensity press. Hence warnock didnt use it much - we sat off teams and counter attacked at pace when we won it back. We dont have the midfield quality to dominate possession either so its a real challenge without a squad restructure which can only happen in a summer window. Longer term, if high intensity pressing is the plan then the days are surely numbered for the likes of pearson, lees, hogg, koroma, ward, yuta, turton, ruffels. Thats not a cheap restructure either. |
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Post by huddstim on Jan 30, 2024 0:21:52 GMT 1
I’ll take the enthusiastic bloke with his flat cap - the fans would embrace him day 1, sales of flat caps would rocket - will help cover some of compensation to Moore & his army of coaches.
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Somebody like this?
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Post by Horney Barry on Jan 30, 2024 0:34:46 GMT 1
Done deal ✅
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Post by specialun on Jan 30, 2024 0:37:55 GMT 1
Spot on I think ‘attacking’ is mis leading - there are lots of ways to play attacking football We want winning football - that tends to mean goals & people associate it with entertainment … At times we played very defensively under Warnock but there was a clear plan or often several within phases of games, it was engaging and when we attacked the had a purpose. It wasn’t pure or a longer term way of posing but was entertaining. More importantly is we have a clear identity - to me more than attacking is we play on the front foot, opposition half, close down, high intensity. That is attacking but it’s the way we do it which makes it so £ for £ we can’t compete in this division all things being equal trying to play free flowing football simply as bigger teams who try to do it have better players - obviously helps if we get future England regular on loan from Chelsea, keep your Toffolo / O’Brien etc (keep Helik / Rudoni key got next season)etc but we have to have a way of being better as a team than our parts. Our own style and being good at it is a key part of that Whilst i agree - we dont have too many players suited to the high intensity press. Hence warnock didnt use it much - we sat off teams and counter attacked at pace when we won it back. We dont have the midfield quality to dominate possession either so its a real challenge without a squad restructure which can only happen in a summer window. Longer term, if high intensity pressing is the plan then the days are surely numbered for the likes of pearson, lees, hogg, koroma, ward, yuta, turton, ruffels. Thats not a cheap restructure either. 100% agree with the point (not sure agree entirely re Yuta, Koroma - and still a squad role for Hogg but agree with the general point. Style also suits a 4 better so need a 6 / traditional holder if full backs pushing on) Its a damning legacy of the lack of investment / recycling / evolution of squad over last few years or with anything like a plan or identity - not just summer just gone, others before / ridiculous deals to Rhodes, Ward etc, As I’ve said before at start of this season %age of players over 30 & under 23 was horrifying. Very few players at their peak, too many either before peak (and bang average) or past it and awfully low number of players we could sell got a decent fee We have started to address that but long way to go and not a cheap job |
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Post by specialun on Jan 30, 2024 0:40:16 GMT 1
I’ll take the enthusiastic bloke with his flat cap - the fans would embrace him day 1, sales of flat caps would rocket - will help cover some of compensation to Moore & his army of coaches. Somebody like this? [/quote] Fans need to embrace was the starting point! |
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Post by araucaria on Jan 30, 2024 1:39:10 GMT 1
I’ll take the enthusiastic bloke with his flat cap - the fans would embrace him day 1, sales of flat caps would rocket - will help cover some of compensation to Moore & his army of coaches. Somebody like this? [/quote] I was in Australia, as I am again now, when Powell was replaced by Wagner. I could sense the excitement from more than 10,000 miles away. I remember the Captain posting an uncannily accurate prediction as to what would happen at Sheffield Wednesday in his first match - early lead for Town, but then we run out of steam after pressing for so long and lose the game. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Jan 30, 2024 1:45:52 GMT 1
One name I've heard is Christian Ilzer Now that's a name, who I've heard a little bit about being linked to jobs in Bundesliga before, and I've heard his name mentioned briefly for clubs in England. Plays a 4-1-3-2 setup. He also likes his teams to keep the ball aswell, last 2 managers that we've had that did that were Wagner and Corberan... Also sets up with a high press. I wouldn't have even thought he'd be anywhere near our radar. But, thats one of the better shouts I've heard so far. I'd be pleasantly surprised if we brought him in. |
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