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Post by willo on Jan 30, 2024 1:55:03 GMT 1
Like many, I was convinced the new manager would be in place in plenty of time for Saturday’s game. Are we to now assume it won’t necessarily be an out of work manager taking over as surely they could be in place for this weekend’s game?
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Post by scutcher on Jan 30, 2024 8:52:08 GMT 1
If KN is serious about getting into the Premier LG he needs to pay out for a manager capable of doing it. Also before next season a core of players also capable of doing it!
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 30, 2024 8:58:14 GMT 1
Spot on I think ‘attacking’ is mis leading - there are lots of ways to play attacking football We want winning football - that tends to mean goals & people associate it with entertainment … At times we played very defensively under Warnock but there was a clear plan or often several within phases of games, it was engaging and when we attacked the had a purpose. It wasn’t pure or a longer term way of posing but was entertaining. More importantly is we have a clear identity - to me more than attacking is we play on the front foot, opposition half, close down, high intensity. That is attacking but it’s the way we do it which makes it so £ for £ we can’t compete in this division all things being equal trying to play free flowing football simply as bigger teams who try to do it have better players - obviously helps if we get future England regular on loan from Chelsea, keep your Toffolo / O’Brien etc (keep Helik / Rudoni key got next season)etc but we have to have a way of being better as a team than our parts. Our own style and being good at it is a key part of that Whilst i agree - we dont have too many players suited to the high intensity press. Hence warnock didnt use it much - we sat off teams and counter attacked at pace when we won it back. We dont have the midfield quality to dominate possession either so its a real challenge without a squad restructure which can only happen in a summer window. Longer term, if high intensity pressing is the plan then the days are surely numbered for the likes of pearson, lees, hogg, koroma, ward, yuta, turton, ruffels. Thats not a cheap restructure either. I think we do have the players for the high intensity press, Hogg, Matos, Rudoni, Sorba, Headley, Koroma, Burgzorg even Ward if he can be bothered are all good at pressing. I agree we are poor in possession but NW showed we can score on the counter, I spose it’s about knowing when to press and when to sit off |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 30, 2024 9:04:19 GMT 1
Gonna be honest, until I just hit Google I had never heard of Will Still.
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Post by ldotm on Jan 30, 2024 9:04:30 GMT 1
One name I've heard is Christian Ilzer Assistant - Noah Dear? |
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Post by Dan on Jan 30, 2024 9:14:44 GMT 1
Gonna be honest, until I just hit Google I had never heard of Will Still. Such an impressive lad, hustled his way to where he is without ever playing professionally and is doing really well at Reims. No chance he's coming here, you just don't move from a club 6th in Ligue 1 to 21st in the Championship. The Prem will be his next move. Good interview with him here, it is unfortunately with the insufferable Jake Humphrey: |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 30, 2024 9:19:18 GMT 1
If KN is serious about getting into the Premier LG he needs to pay out for a manager capable of doing it. Also before next season a core of players also capable of doing it! Yep agreed 👍 It's no good telling us we are going to the Premier league..and not only that,we're going to stay there....and then some fans think Steve Cooper is out of our range! The only way Cooper is going back to the Premier league is if he gets a team promoted to it....I Don't believe the Palace rumours at all,they will think bigger than a man who struggled with forest despite a bucket full of cash from that criminal maranakis |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 30, 2024 9:26:06 GMT 1
If KN is serious about getting into the Premier LG he needs to pay out for a manager capable of doing it. Also before next season a core of players also capable of doing it! You also have to factor in who will want to come.not been negative but you do have to be realistic.21st in the championship,if we go down it doesn’t look good on their cv no matter the context they come into. The Likelihood is it’s someone out of work currently,heckingbotto,duff and eustace are probably the best of that bunch(without scouring Europe) We also probably due to where we are want some sort of championship knowhow,again pointing to those 3. It may take a while to get sorted potentially as any manager will probably want assurances on the summer,what that looks like in either division,whether they stay should we go down,whether they get a bonus or some sort for staying up etc etc etc.Hope it’s soon to stop the speculation but imagine earliest they wait while after the game Saturday. Ideally Moore would have crept to the end of the season and had us comfortable,I think everyone had realised he 100% wasn’t the long term future but could he have got over the line short term.The club would have wanted that hence why they waited as long as they did,it would have given them a better base to start from looking for a new guy had they been doing it to start a fresh from the summer.Maybe then they could have potentially been more ambitious. Facts are they will maybe have to settle for what we can get no matter the money we would be willing to pay and hopefully stay up and build a squad capable. |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 30, 2024 9:31:43 GMT 1
If KN is serious about getting into the Premier LG he needs to pay out for a manager capable of doing it. Also before next season a core of players also capable of doing it! You also have to factor in who will want to come.not been negative but you do have to be realistic.21st in the championship,if we go down it doesn’t look good on their cv no matter the context they come into. The Likelihood is it’s someone out of work currently,heckingbotto,duff and eustace are probably the best of that bunch(without scouring Europe) We also probably due to where we are want some sort of championship knowhow,again pointing to those 3. It may take a while to get sorted potentially as any manager will probably want assurances on the summer,what that looks like in either division,whether they stay should we go down,whether they get a bonus or some sort for staying up etc etc etc.Hope it’s soon to stop the speculation but imagine earliest they wait while after the game Saturday. Ideally Moore would have crept to the end of the season and had us comfortable,I think everyone had realised he 100% wasn’t the long term future but could he have got over the line short term.The club would have wanted that hence why they waited as long as they did,it would have given them a better base to start from looking for a new guy had they been doing it to start a fresh from the summer.Maybe then they could have potentially been more ambitious. Facts are they will maybe have to settle for what we can get no matter the money we would be willing to pay and hopefully stay up and build a squad capable. My thoughts would be if a manager doesn't have the confidence to keep a team in this division with 17 games left and IS NOT in the relegation zone then he is not for us! Any confident manager wouldn't have a problem joining us |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Jan 30, 2024 9:37:16 GMT 1
I have been told its not Paul Heckingbottom, so considering my recent posts I would be going to your betting apps and lumping on him to be next manager its got to be a sure thing now I have said its not him.
And yes I am prepared to get shot down again !!!!!
In all honesty I was getting information from someone inside the club a couple of sources, but my main source is now no longer employed by HTAFC (not DM).
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Post by Art Vandelay on Jan 30, 2024 9:38:52 GMT 1
I have been told its not Paul Heckingbottom, so considering my recent posts I would be going to your betting apps and lumping on him to be next manager its got to be a sure thing now I have said its not him. And yes I am prepared to get shot down again !!!!! In all honesty I was getting information from someone inside the club a couple of sources, but my main source is now no longer employed by HTAFC (not DM). Of course you were. |
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Post by krtek on Jan 30, 2024 9:43:38 GMT 1
I’ll take the enthusiastic bloke with his flat cap - the fans would embrace him day 1, sales of flat caps would rocket - will help cover some of compensation to Moore & his army of coaches. Somebody like this? I was in Australia, as I am again now, when Powell was replaced by Wagner. I could sense the excitement from more than 10,000 miles away. I remember the Captain posting an uncannily accurate prediction as to what would happen at Sheffield Wednesday in his first match - early lead for Town, but then we run out of steam after pressing for so long and lose the game.[/quote] I thought Middlesboro at home was his first game, but maybe my memory is faulty. I remember after the Wednesday game, Jack Hunt took great delight in rubbing our noses in it, how wrong the little twerp was proved to be. |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 30, 2024 9:52:20 GMT 1
You also have to factor in who will want to come.not been negative but you do have to be realistic.21st in the championship,if we go down it doesn’t look good on their cv no matter the context they come into. The Likelihood is it’s someone out of work currently,heckingbotto,duff and eustace are probably the best of that bunch(without scouring Europe) We also probably due to where we are want some sort of championship knowhow,again pointing to those 3. It may take a while to get sorted potentially as any manager will probably want assurances on the summer,what that looks like in either division,whether they stay should we go down,whether they get a bonus or some sort for staying up etc etc etc.Hope it’s soon to stop the speculation but imagine earliest they wait while after the game Saturday. Ideally Moore would have crept to the end of the season and had us comfortable,I think everyone had realised he 100% wasn’t the long term future but could he have got over the line short term.The club would have wanted that hence why they waited as long as they did,it would have given them a better base to start from looking for a new guy had they been doing it to start a fresh from the summer.Maybe then they could have potentially been more ambitious. Facts are they will maybe have to settle for what we can get no matter the money we would be willing to pay and hopefully stay up and build a squad capable. My thoughts would be if a manager doesn't have the confidence to keep a team in this division with 17 games left and IS NOT in the relegation zone then he is not for us! Any confident manager wouldn't have a problem joining us Fair enough way of looking at it I guess,suppose could depend on how in demand someone is.If they think they might have another option come the summer it’s a risk coming into the unknown to your reputation.That said if someone comes in and we coast to safety that reputation is a enhanced,and I guess most managers would back themselves.One positive got the club is the January window,a manager would hopefully be confident of been backed in the summer. |
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Post by midlander on Jan 30, 2024 9:52:27 GMT 1
In all reality, whoever the new man is, will divide opinion. However, we 100% have to get behind him and give him a chance. My thoughts are that the players tried under Moore but without ever really trusting or believing in what they were being asked to do.
Whoever comes in is likely to have had a recent failure at a club, otherwise they wouldn't be available. Lots would have been happy to have Duff here in the summer, so a short and disappointing spell at Swansea shouldn't really have changed his ability to do well moving forwards. I wouldn't be against him at all.
Equally, I can see why we would look at Heckingbottom - did well at Barnsley and Sheff Utd generally and got both promoted. Only really failed at Leeds.
Don't get the love for Rowett but he does speak well on TV and gets teams organised, albeit a bit dour.
Alex Neil has a lot to offer despite his recent failure at Stoke, but most coaches at Stoke have failed for whatever reason.
Eustace had a good spell at Brum after beating us but was largely derided by their fans before they beat us so that would be a bigger risk than any of the others.
Cooper would obviously be the stand out candidate if he were interested but you would imagine that he can afford to wait for a bigger job potentially.
Would we look abroad? Who knows.
Any appointment carries a risk, so I go back to my initial point that we need to get behind the new man, even if it were to be Jesse Marsch 😃
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Post by ldotm on Jan 30, 2024 10:04:02 GMT 1
I have been told its not Paul Heckingbottom, so considering my recent posts I would be going to your betting apps and lumping on him to be next manager its got to be a sure thing now I have said its not him. And yes I am prepared to get shot down again !!!!! In all honesty I was getting information from someone inside the club a couple of sources, but my main source is now no longer employed by HTAFC (not DM). Please stop. |
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Post by dxterrier on Jan 30, 2024 10:07:47 GMT 1
Gonna be honest, until I just hit Google I had never heard of Will Still. Nor me, or this Christian Ilzer |
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Post by dugnet on Jan 30, 2024 10:22:16 GMT 1
I don't have a view on who it will be or should be but I do wonder if the, current, target of having someone who can have an "immediate" impact and also support the long term intention of "progressive football" is compatible. As the chaps on "We are Terriers" have said in their latest podcast the club needs to retain it's Championship status. With where we are right now is it realistic, or fair, on a new candidate to expect them to be able to do both?
Although removing DM was the right thing by doing so doesn't mean it is a "shoe in" things will improve sufficiently to secure our position in this league. In truth we need a repeat of what NW did a year ago, but none of us remotely expect NW is coming back. Is there anyone out there who could do a similar job? Very debatable.
Given there is a significant challenge now but there is also a bigger picture we need someone who might not save us from the drop (ie they can't just be judged on the next 17 games, unless they are utterly hopeless) but can look to move us back in a positive direction if we are relegated.
I am not being deliberately "downbeat" but trying to put some perspective around our predicament. The whole season has been a cock up in truth and it might now beyond recovery.
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Jan 30, 2024 10:22:45 GMT 1
Is it just me or would anyone take Corberan back? Gets the absolute max out of his squad. Couldn’t really blame him for leaving for lack of investment after Wembley. (I’m not delusional enough to think it’s a possibility by the way)
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Post by kjf on Jan 30, 2024 10:28:08 GMT 1
Albert Riera is being looked at by MC
Spanish manager who currently manages Bordeaux in ligue 2
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Post by araucaria on Jan 30, 2024 10:28:39 GMT 1
I was in Australia, as I am again now, when Powell was replaced by Wagner. I could sense the excitement from more than 10,000 miles away. I remember the Captain posting an uncannily accurate prediction as to what would happen at Sheffield Wednesday in his first match - early lead for Town, but then we run out of steam after pressing for so long and lose the game. I thought Middlesboro at home was his first game, but maybe my memory is faulty. I remember after the Wednesday game, Jack Hunt took great delight in rubbing our noses in it, how wrong the little twerp was proved to be.[/quote] Definitely Wednesday first, because I was still in Australia and was back home for the Boro game. I've missed 23 games, home and away, whilst being in Oz and we've won three, so that's the kind of win ratio to see me dismissed from this board. I've managed to see 7 of those games live on Sky and we lost all the first six, including the 3-0 home defeat to Leeds which Wagner watched from the stands. The 7th was QPR, midnight kick-off on Monday morning here, and I thought for 8 or 9 minutes that I was finally going to see us win one. |
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Post by jjamez on Jan 30, 2024 10:30:38 GMT 1
Albert Riera is being looked at by MC Spanish manager who currently manages Bordeaux in ligue 2 I doubt that, he joined them in October |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 30, 2024 10:31:26 GMT 1
I was in Australia, as I am again now, when Powell was replaced by Wagner. I could sense the excitement from more than 10,000 miles away. I remember the Captain posting an uncannily accurate prediction as to what would happen at Sheffield Wednesday in his first match - early lead for Town, but then we run out of steam after pressing for so long and lose the game. I thought Middlesboro at home was his first game, but maybe my memory is faulty. I remember after the Wednesday game, Jack Hunt took great delight in rubbing our noses in it, how wrong the little twerp was proved to be.[/quote] Sheffield Wednesday was away wasn’t it? |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jan 30, 2024 10:33:29 GMT 1
Albert Riera is being looked at by MC Spanish manager who currently manages Bordeaux in ligue 2 I doubt that, he joined them in October And they’re a way bigger club than us. Everyone has heard of them. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jan 30, 2024 10:34:51 GMT 1
I don't have a view on who it will be or should be but I do wonder if the, current, target of having someone who can have an "immediate" impact and also support the long term intention of "progressive football" is compatible. As the chaps on "We are Terriers" have said in their latest podcast the club needs to retain it's Championship status. With where we are right now is it realistic, or fair, on a new candidate to expect them to be able to do both? Although removing DM was the right thing by doing so doesn't mean it is a "shoe in" things will improve sufficiently to secure our position in this league. In truth we need a repeat of what NW did a year ago, but none of us remotely expect NW is coming back. Is there anyone out there who could do a similar job? Very debatable. Given there is a significant challenge now but there is also a bigger picture we need someone who might not save us from the drop (ie they can't just be judged on the next 17 games, unless they are utterly hopeless) but can look to move us back in a positive direction if we are relegated. I am not being deliberately "downbeat" but trying to put some perspective around our predicament. The whole season has been a cock up in truth and it might now beyond recovery. I’m in agreement, the two things don’t seem to obviously fit together. Unless we’re going to land a bit of a coup with someone like Cooper - my suspicion is that Heckingbottam will be presented as that sort of coup but that he’ll fall some way short of those expectations. Would’ve preferred to get a firefighter that could guarantee survival and then go for a Wagner type in the summer - but we already played that card last season and I don’t think there’s another. |
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Post by dezzly on Jan 30, 2024 10:36:32 GMT 1
I doubt that, he joined them in October And they’re a way bigger club than us. Everyone has heard of them. Think he only went there a few months ago too if iv looked at that right |
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Post by royrace on Jan 30, 2024 10:48:19 GMT 1
If KN is serious about getting into the Premier LG he needs to pay out for a manager capable of doing it. Also before next season a core of players also capable of doing it! Yep agreed 👍 It's no good telling us we are going to the Premier league..and not only that,we're going to stay there....and then some fans think Steve Cooper is out of our range! The only way Cooper is going back to the Premier league is if he gets a team promoted to it....I Don't believe the Palace rumours at all,they will think bigger than a man who struggled with forest despite a bucket full of cash from that criminal maranakis Agreed,I don't see any pl club hiring a coach who's just been sacked from a pl job, I'm not sure he over achieved whilst there either, spent a lot of money. He is a top end championship manager however, if he were to take this job he'd likely need a lot of guarantees around investment levels. I think it's unlikely. My worry is Cartwright will go for another safe, bland, yes man appointment after the fun he had working with Warnock. |
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Post by Metch on Jan 30, 2024 10:49:40 GMT 1
You also have to factor in who will want to come.not been negative but you do have to be realistic.21st in the championship,if we go down it doesn’t look good on their cv no matter the context they come into. The Likelihood is it’s someone out of work currently,heckingbotto,duff and eustace are probably the best of that bunch(without scouring Europe) We also probably due to where we are want some sort of championship knowhow,again pointing to those 3. It may take a while to get sorted potentially as any manager will probably want assurances on the summer,what that looks like in either division,whether they stay should we go down,whether they get a bonus or some sort for staying up etc etc etc.Hope it’s soon to stop the speculation but imagine earliest they wait while after the game Saturday. Ideally Moore would have crept to the end of the season and had us comfortable,I think everyone had realised he 100% wasn’t the long term future but could he have got over the line short term.The club would have wanted that hence why they waited as long as they did,it would have given them a better base to start from looking for a new guy had they been doing it to start a fresh from the summer.Maybe then they could have potentially been more ambitious. Facts are they will maybe have to settle for what we can get no matter the money we would be willing to pay and hopefully stay up and build a squad capable. My thoughts would be if a manager doesn't have the confidence to keep a team in this division with 17 games left and IS NOT in the relegation zone then he is not for us! Any confident manager wouldn't have a problem joining us A caveat to this, just make sure we know the difference between confident and deluded, we don't want another Fotheringham or Siewert |
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Post by King Neil on Jan 30, 2024 10:51:25 GMT 1
Another thing regarding Cooper
He has seen Town in the Premier league in recent times...and he's also seen us nearly get back there...and in his head knows we really should have!! #moss
So he knows there is potential to take us back and also a good passionate fanbase...if he knows he has an ambitious owner who is willing to give him the backing within ffp rules,I cannot see any reason why he would turn his nose up at us
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Post by tyketaffy on Jan 30, 2024 10:52:04 GMT 1
Most of us were delighted that Warnock was signed for one more year with the expectation he was not going to be here for following season. My hope was he would stabilise the teams position, build a better squad and then hand over the reins later in the season once a new manager could come in without have to firefight looming relegation. Instead he was shown the door far too quickly before we had given the next manager in a cushion to then try and implement his own style.
When Moore came I though okay I’m pissed off they gave Warnock the shove but was willing to see how the guy went. Despite the bad run of injuries (which we seem to have a huge crop every season for the last few years) Moore IMO took the team backwards from a team who seemed to know what their role was and were fighting for each other, to a confused bunch of guys often played out of position with no clear idea of what the plan was to win the game. From his often strange subs to his playing people out of position even when he did not need to confused most of us and it appears confused the players also.
I don’t think this squad should be anywhere near the dog fight at the bottom they are far better players than they appear to be since Moore got his hands on them. Most seem to have gone backwards since Warnock left and lost confidence in their own ability. Now we have wasted two lots of cash we needed for players in paying off two managers and two lots of staff. I don’t blame Nagle for this he put in place a management team to oversee this side of the game and put his hand in pocket to get what they said they needed.
Now Nagle is going to have to dig into his pockets again and my main worry about the appointment is who the hell this management team will have had their eye on because I for one have no faith in them getting it right. Having followed town since the 1960’s its all following a familiar pattern of brief rays of sunshine than years of gloom being constantly in a relegation dogfight. In the past this was mainly due to lack of investment. But at least we have an owner now who seems willing to pump money into the club and build long term, this is what gives me a glimmer of hope. But what ever division Town are in they will always be my team.
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