DuffMan
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Post by DuffMan on Feb 14, 2024 16:33:27 GMT 1
People keep banging on about how people won't come because of our position. Would you want someone who didn't believe in themselves that they could keep us up? I certainly wouldn't. A lot making out we are doomed and it is worse than it actually is. I fancy us to get more points over the rest of the season than Stoke, Millwall, Swansea and Plymouth. I agree I think we'll stay up... however if say a Steve Cooper was our target he would look at it and think well if I fail my stock is going to be very very low plus they all have agents who will give them that perspective. It's a bit naive to think that they don't believe in themselves they just understand the nature of the business and if they don't need to take a risk on us why would they unless we brought them a really big bag of cash. |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 14, 2024 16:40:07 GMT 1
Not sure Hand was below average, took over a difficult situation from Malvolm Mcdonald, worse season in the clubs history. His sacking remains a mystery to me to this day. Maybe he wasn't I can't fully remember his reign tbh,,but I can remember holding a hand out banner up at an away day at crewe on a bad run Was that the game went the floodlights went off for half an hour or so? |
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Post by cyberman on Feb 14, 2024 16:46:01 GMT 1
People keep banging on about how people won't come because of our position. Would you want someone who didn't believe in themselves that they could keep us up? I certainly wouldn't. A lot making out we are doomed and it is worse than it actually is. I fancy us to get more points over the rest of the season than Stoke, Millwall, Swansea and Plymouth. I agree I think we'll stay up... however if say a Steve Cooper was our target he would look at it and think well if I fail my stock is going to be very very low plus they all have agents who will give them that perspective. It's a bit naive to think that they don't believe in themselves they just understand the nature of the business and if they don't need to take a risk on us why would they unless we brought them a really big bag of cash. Then again you can be useful as a concrete tampoline in footy management and still get signed on with 5 year+ deal - IMHO I dont think they give a shiney shite who they sign for - they know at our level they will enployed probably a couple of years or three years max and sacked only to get signed on again by another hopeful club. If you manager was as bad as some of these pumperwarts that have stolen vast amounts of cash from Town, they would be booted out the door in quick time. |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Feb 14, 2024 16:52:49 GMT 1
It's pretty obvious that it'll be Worthington until the end of the season. Genuine question here.... I know you dont want Worthington to end the end of season (absolutely fine). I've seen you post things like just done what caretakers do. So my question is what would he have to do to change your mind? Or will nothing do that? I understand your caretaker comment, but you could say a new manager will get the same impact and will have a new manager bounce that will wear off eventually. I agree with you not getting it perm but just wondered if something would change and would get you onboard |
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Post by King Neil on Feb 14, 2024 16:55:28 GMT 1
Maybe he wasn't I can't fully remember his reign tbh,,but I can remember holding a hand out banner up at an away day at crewe on a bad run Was that the game went the floodlights went off for half an hour or so? I can't remember tbh...the one I'm talking about was a Saturday afternoon,,but could still have included floodlights being a winter game....once you reach 50 you start forgetting things😁 |
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 14, 2024 17:12:58 GMT 1
It begs the question if true. Why are our targeted individual(s) turning us down? (Potential relegation?) Been pessimistic I think we will be relegated unless Worthy can get these players to perform week in week out.Given prime targets aren't interested I'd give Jon the extended interim role & see how it pans out. With assurances he retains his former role. Get this confirmed & the message is Staff, players & most importantly the fans. We are in this together & let's try & secure safety. There is evidence of togetherness & some fight since Moore left. So no more bad decisions let's go for it & re-evaluate when we know our destiny. If appointed until the end of the season, all he has to do, is to do as well as Moore did. |
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Post by htafcokay on Feb 14, 2024 17:18:03 GMT 1
It's pretty obvious that it'll be Worthington until the end of the season. Genuine question here.... I know you dont want Worthington to end the end of season (absolutely fine). I've seen you post things like just done what caretakers do. So my question is what would he have to do to change your mind? Or will nothing do that? I understand your caretaker comment, but you could say a new manager will get the same impact and will have a new manager bounce that will wear off eventually. I agree with you not getting it perm but just wondered if something would change and would get you onboard He'd have to win a good chunk of the remaining games for me to even consider being happy with him getting it full time. This massive clamour for him to remain in charge is built on sentiment. Just like it was with Mark Lillis and Balls, Bibs and Cones last season. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 14, 2024 17:19:45 GMT 1
Maybe he wasn't I can't fully remember his reign tbh,,but I can remember holding a hand out banner up at an away day at crewe on a bad run Was that the game went the floodlights went off for half an hour or so? Wasn't that Swansea and it was abandoned, it was a Tuesday night. |
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Post by dbterrier32 on Feb 14, 2024 17:23:34 GMT 1
Genuine question here.... I know you dont want Worthington to end the end of season (absolutely fine). I've seen you post things like just done what caretakers do. So my question is what would he have to do to change your mind? Or will nothing do that? I understand your caretaker comment, but you could say a new manager will get the same impact and will have a new manager bounce that will wear off eventually. I agree with you not getting it perm but just wondered if something would change and would get you onboard He'd have to win a good chunk of the remaining games for me to even consider being happy with him getting it full time. This massive clamour for him to remain in charge is built on sentiment. Just like it was with Mark Lillis and Balls, Bibs and Cones last season. I dont want him full time and I'd rather him not interim until end of season. But if can get some results then I'd rather him than settling for 3rd/4th choice at this stage. |
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Post by paulmat on Feb 14, 2024 17:28:40 GMT 1
It begs the question if true. Why are our targeted individual(s) turning us down? (Potential relegation?) Been pessimistic I think we will be relegated unless Worthy can get these players to perform week in week out.Given prime targets aren't interested I'd give Jon the extended interim role & see how it pans out. With assurances he retains his former role. Get this confirmed & the message is Staff, players & most importantly the fans. We are in this together & let's try & secure safety. There is evidence of togetherness & some fight since Moore left. So no more bad decisions let's go for it & re-evaluate when we know our destiny. If appointed until the end of the season, all he has to do, is to do as well as Moore did. That's not true. Moore averaged 0.9 points a game. If we get that over the next 15 games we'll end on around 45 points. It could be enough, but it's by no means certain. We got 20 points from our last 9 matches last season, extreme example maybe, but we can't just assume the 3 teams below us will continue being worse than us. |
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Post by aideybabes on Feb 14, 2024 17:34:02 GMT 1
Feels like the longest managerial search we’ve ever had, normally we are pretty quick.
Even clueless Daz has managed to get another job since getting the elbow.
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Post by crux on Feb 14, 2024 17:40:53 GMT 1
Not sure why they'd have to officially announce Worthington to the end of the season. Assuming nothing is imminent then they probably do need to say something. Why not just say he stays in place until a permanent manager is appointed and that process is still ongoing? You don't have to say how long that will be.
Even if the first choice manager isn't able to take charge until the summer, then it might make sense to keep Worthington in place until then. However, as soon as you announce it to the world it heaps extra pressure on him that isn't needed.
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Post by Ladaphosen on Feb 14, 2024 17:44:11 GMT 1
The new ownership is already 0 for 3 on managerial decisions and its pretty apparent that we have missed out on our top targets in the last two weeks. Pretty worrying.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 14, 2024 17:53:03 GMT 1
Was that the game went the floodlights went off for half an hour or so? Wasn't that Swansea and it was abandoned, it was a Tuesday night. That's true but lights went off in a midweek at Crewe , Town were 3 down, I'm sure. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Feb 14, 2024 17:54:37 GMT 1
People keep banging on about how people won't come because of our position. Would you want someone who didn't believe in themselves that they could keep us up? I certainly wouldn't. A lot making out we are doomed and it is worse than it actually is. I fancy us to get more points over the rest of the season than Stoke, Millwall, Swansea and Plymouth. My view is any manager should look at us now and think "nothing to lose, everything to gain". |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 14, 2024 17:55:14 GMT 1
Wasn't that Swansea and it was abandoned, it was a Tuesday night. That's true but lights went off in a midweek at Crewe , Town were 3 down, I'm sure. 13th March 1990. |
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Feb 14, 2024 17:57:04 GMT 1
I’ve just got abit of 2nd hand information on the managerial search, not who it is but who we have spoken to 👀
I’m not putting it on here tho to get shot down by all the in the know police. I’ll keep it to myself instead.
Worthy’s odds have really shortened which tells me Skybet don’t have a scooby doo either
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Feb 14, 2024 17:57:12 GMT 1
I hope these people pining for the return of Wagner aren't the same people that would turn on him immediately things started going wrong. How many times has a manager gone back to a club and been successful? King Colin, Jacko and who else among the thousands of sackings? Fergie Jr is on is 87th stint at Peterborough. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Feb 14, 2024 17:58:49 GMT 1
I’ve just got abit of 2nd hand information on the managerial search, not who it is but who we have spoken to 👀 I’m not putting it on here tho to get shot down by all the in the know police. I’ll keep it to myself instead. Worthy’s odds have really shortened which tells me Skybet don’t have a scooby doo either So you've had second hand information but won't share it... its like saying I know the lottery numbers this weekend but won't say. |
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Post by paulmat on Feb 14, 2024 17:59:36 GMT 1
I hope these people pining for the return of Wagner aren't the same people that would turn on him immediately things started going wrong. How many times has a manager gone back to a club and been successful? King Colin, Jacko and who else among the thousands of sackings? Fergie Jr is on is 87th stint at Peterborough. Nathan Jones successful when going back to Luton. Eddie Howe very successful in his 2nd spell at Bournemouth. I'd maybe flip the question and see how many examples you can find of managers going back and not being successful. |
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Post by cyberman on Feb 14, 2024 18:03:46 GMT 1
I’ve just got abit of 2nd hand information on the managerial search, not who it is but who we have spoken to 👀 I’m not putting it on here tho to get shot down by all the in the know police. I’ll keep it to myself instead. Worthy’s odds have really shortened which tells me Skybet don’t have a scooby doo either Let me guess you "snippet" was from 1. CastlehillTerrier 2. You best mates uncles brother in laws aunt who just happened to be cleaning the bogs at the Peacock when she overheard said snippet. Either tell or stfu |
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Post by dalesterrier on Feb 14, 2024 18:03:48 GMT 1
Just driven down for the game and so a bit of time to think...this could be adding 2 + 2 and getting 5 but.....
I was thinking our first choice has said no now (involved in a championship race or going for promotion) but is keen to come in the summer. So the board are now waiting to see how we do over the next couple of games to see if JW can fill the gap until the summer 🤷
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Post by waggers on Feb 14, 2024 18:05:11 GMT 1
I’ve just got abit of 2nd hand information on the managerial search, not who it is but who we have spoken to 👀 I’m not putting it on here tho to get shot down by all the in the know police. I’ll keep it to myself instead. Worthy’s odds have really shortened which tells me Skybet don’t have a scooby doo either What was the point of this post? |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Feb 14, 2024 18:11:26 GMT 1
Does the misery of Port Vale away in 2003 not eclipse all that?! Remember that was a load that went on a bus walked out after 3rd goal to go pub they were shut so stuck on bus for rest of game Always hated them proper bogey team Hadn’t that pub been burnt down by Town fans earlier that day? |
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Feb 14, 2024 18:17:32 GMT 1
Based solely on what they've done since leaving I'd have Carlos back before Dave. Also he has unfinished business here thanks to corrupt officials. Wagner coming back would be a risk of tainting his legacy. Whilst I agree with the sentiment/reasoning I wouldn't want either back. Despite it being a winning formula Carlos' football was atrocious and brain-deadening. Can't remember how many times I came out of a game thinking how the hell have we won/drawn. No need to ask the opinion of htafcokay on the subject of Carlos, I THINK he agrees with me  Seems to be a lot who think that, I don't think we were dull under Carlos. Yes, it wasn't quite the "no limits" all guns blazing we got under Wagner but we were far more effective and even managed to finish with a positive goal difference. Wagnerball in the promotion season was thrilling, but I was constantly waiting for him to get "found out". Looking at his performances at every club since including Norwich currently, I think he has been found out now. |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 14, 2024 18:18:05 GMT 1
Worthy has become some bookies favourites at 1/2
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 14, 2024 18:24:39 GMT 1
Is worthy getting the job permanently or till end of the season?
I love him but he isn’t the right man at this stage
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Post by tepidterrier on Feb 14, 2024 18:25:26 GMT 1
Feels like the longest managerial search we’ve ever had, normally we are pretty quick. Even clueless Daz has managed to get another job since getting the elbow. It's about standard. It's taken 2 more days than it did to appoint Fotheringham, still less time than it took to appoint Cowley, and still a couple of weeks yet before the length of the caretaker spells of Lillis (between Grayson and Robins) and Murphy (between Ternent and Clark). |
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Post by ldotm on Feb 14, 2024 18:25:32 GMT 1
Whilst I agree with the sentiment/reasoning I wouldn't want either back. Despite it being a winning formula Carlos' football was atrocious and brain-deadening. Can't remember how many times I came out of a game thinking how the hell have we won/drawn. No need to ask the opinion of htafcokay on the subject of Carlos, I THINK he agrees with me Seems to be a lot who think that, I don't think we were dull under Carlos. Yes, it wasn't quite the "no limits" all guns blazing we got under Wagner but we were far more effective and even managed to finish with a positive goal difference. Wagnerball in the promotion season was thrilling, but I was constantly waiting for him to get "found out". Looking at his performances at every club since including Norwich currently, I think he has been found out now. I keep seeing this rhetoric that Wagner is failing at Norwich.. he had a rocky start but they are currently in the playoffs. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 14, 2024 18:30:00 GMT 1
Seems to be a lot who think that, I don't think we were dull under Carlos. Yes, it wasn't quite the "no limits" all guns blazing we got under Wagner but we were far more effective and even managed to finish with a positive goal difference. Wagnerball in the promotion season was thrilling, but I was constantly waiting for him to get "found out". Looking at his performances at every club since including Norwich currently, I think he has been found out now. I keep seeing this rhetoric that Wagner is failing at Norwich.. he had a rocky start but they are currently in the playoffs. Its been a bit up and down for Dave but the bottom line for Norwich is play offs so he is meeting the expectation required. |
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