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Post by saintlyterrier on Jan 31, 2024 15:50:45 GMT 1
Personally I would have Warnock and Rocket back in a flash till the end of the season. They got a tune out of this squad before,the players like and respect them and out of everyone mentioned they would be the ones most likely to keep us up, which I assume is the top priority for everyone from the owner down. Assuming we stayed up under Warnock then its gives time to look around for a long term replacement from a position of strength not rushing in someone now who does not have much time to turn things round and win over the players. As is it at the moment its looking like we are running round desperately trying to shoehorn in someone who can turn it around, play exciting pressing football and be here long term, highly unlikely to happen IMO. Me, I dont give a shit how boring the football is the rest of the season as long as we get enough point to stay up. It does feel like an appointment until the end of the season would be the best way to go. If the manager is successful in keeping us up, while playing decent football then that will give them a head start for the job on a permanent basis. Plus a hefty bonus for keeping us up no doubt. Fine. However, ABC has to be applied: Anyone But Colin.
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Post by thomo on Jan 31, 2024 15:51:08 GMT 1
The jury is out for me. Nicholls not as good this season, Lees and Pearson deteriorating fast. Jackson is he really good enough as first choice left back? (also Yuta has never done well there). Hogg struggling, Kasumu - some flashes of brilliance but what the hell is he? CDM, Full back?, certainly can't pass for toffee or control midfield. Rudoni I think we look at through rose tinted glasses but can't shoot, is weak and has little end product. I thought he was improving earlier in the season and the end product would come but still waiting. Koroma more miss than hit. Matos so far not looking capable of controlling that midfield which is fair enough at his age, wiles useless , jury is out on Bojan and Healey but they have certainly not hit the ground running (perhaps a little unfair). Helik and Sorba the only players I think we can confidently say are performing well right now. I think we needed a few more to make us an average championship team. Think that’s a glass half empty assesment, and we will hopefully see a lift in performance now. The group have done it in some games so no reason why they can’t raise their levels with the right management. Don’t agree on Kasumu and Rudoni, and I’d add Spencer, Burgzorg & Headley (when fit) to your players who have performed well list. Is it half empty or just balanced. Most of these players have looked poor under three or more managers now. Even KN suggested in his most recent video that he thinks we need much more quality than what we have now. It's a shame we couldn't get more this window.
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Post by Moooooy on Jan 31, 2024 16:01:40 GMT 1
Not sure that’s as true anymore, we have enough to stay up now imo, agree though the biggest challenge is getting them motivated and playing as a team. The jury is out for me. Nicholls not as good this season, Lees and Pearson deteriorating fast. Jackson is he really good enough as first choice left back? (also Yuta has never done well there). Hogg struggling, Kasumu - some flashes of brilliance but what the hell is he? CDM, Full back?, certainly can't pass for toffee or control midfield. Rudoni I think we look at through rose tinted glasses but can't shoot, is weak and has little end product. I thought he was improving earlier in the season and the end product would come but still waiting. Koroma more miss than hit. Matos so far not looking capable of controlling that midfield which is fair enough at his age, wiles useless , jury is out on Bojan and Healey but they have certainly not hit the ground running (perhaps a little unfair). Helik and Sorba the only players I think we can confidently say are performing well right now. I think we needed a few more to make us an average championship team. I agree with you. Apart from a couple of months under Warnock the players have been collectively awful for the past 18 months. There are some exceptions in there, Helik and Thomas have been good this season, but the rest of them can’t string 2 decent games together. They all need to pull their finger out in the last few months of the season or we need to be looking to move quite a few on in the summer.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jan 31, 2024 16:18:21 GMT 1
It does feel like an appointment until the end of the season would be the best way to go. If the manager is successful in keeping us up, while playing decent football then that will give them a head start for the job on a permanent basis. Plus a hefty bonus for keeping us up no doubt. Fine. However, ABC has to be applied: Anyone But Colin. Thinking more someone like Rowett, who would be confident in his abilities to achieve safety, and I don't think his ego is too big to not take it on for 16 games.
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Post by tyketaffy on Jan 31, 2024 16:32:57 GMT 1
The jury is out for me. Nicholls not as good this season, Lees and Pearson deteriorating fast. Jackson is he really good enough as first choice left back? (also Yuta has never done well there). Hogg struggling, Kasumu - some flashes of brilliance but what the hell is he? CDM, Full back?, certainly can't pass for toffee or control midfield. Rudoni I think we look at through rose tinted glasses but can't shoot, is weak and has little end product. I thought he was improving earlier in the season and the end product would come but still waiting. Koroma more miss than hit. Matos so far not looking capable of controlling that midfield which is fair enough at his age, wiles useless , jury is out on Bojan and Healey but they have certainly not hit the ground running (perhaps a little unfair). Helik and Sorba the only players I think we can confidently say are performing well right now. I think we needed a few more to make us an average championship team. I agree with you. Apart from a couple of months under Warnock the players have been collectively awful for the past 18 months. There are some exceptions in there, Helik and Thomas have been good this season, but the rest of them can’t string 2 decent games together. They all need to pull their finger out in the last few months of the season or we need to be looking to move quite a few on in the summer. Does that not suggest that the manager before Warnock and after him are more at fault than the players ?
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Post by waggers on Jan 31, 2024 16:41:11 GMT 1
X is awash with claims Warnock is back.
Edit.....it was fans of loads of relegation threatened clubs saying they wanted Neil.
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Post by uw2ba on Jan 31, 2024 16:42:16 GMT 1
Managers aside....It's absolutely criminal that after Warnock performed a miracle last year and got us out of a mess...12 months later we are somehow in the exact same position.
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Post by Matt1908 on Jan 31, 2024 16:43:20 GMT 1
X is awash with claims Warnock is back. I only see loads of messages about him and Aberdeen - can't imagine him coming back here, billionaires don't normally own mistakes and back down very well
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Post by tyketaffy on Jan 31, 2024 16:45:15 GMT 1
Managers aside....It's absolutely criminal that after Warnock performed a miracle last year and got us out of a mess...12 months later we are somehow in the exact same position. I seem to remember the video of him after the great escape saying to the players " I hope im not back here next January" or words to that effect ?
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Post by ldhtafc99 on Jan 31, 2024 16:46:40 GMT 1
Managers aside....It's absolutely criminal that after Warnock performed a miracle last year and got us out of a mess...12 months later we are somehow in the exact same position. Are you surprised?
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jan 31, 2024 16:58:02 GMT 1
Kev can be in the USA because it’s 2024 and the internet exists. I know that Sunshine,I am on it now,You can,t do a proper face to face over the internet. I guarantee most of these interviews will have taken place over Zoom. May get the next batch of interviews done at Canalside and can show prospective managers around etc. But the initial ones, most (if any) wont have been to Canalside.
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Post by dbterrier32 on Jan 31, 2024 17:05:39 GMT 1
A bit depressing that my last post was liked by Maynardblue, I was still hoping the club were working on pulling a rabbit out of the hat but it seems not. Prepare to be underwhelmed. This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. The problem with this, is you could have written this exact post at the end of last season! What happens next season if NW comes back in and the next manager fails again? Do we want NW back for a 4th time? We have to move on from NW! Get a manager in now for the long term. Get somebody who is suited to get us back into the Championship at the 1st attempt should the worse case happen this season. It is going to be expensive, but that is unfortunately the position we are in now due to the many factors over the previous years/summer.
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Post by Moooooy on Jan 31, 2024 17:07:05 GMT 1
I agree with you. Apart from a couple of months under Warnock the players have been collectively awful for the past 18 months. There are some exceptions in there, Helik and Thomas have been good this season, but the rest of them can’t string 2 decent games together. They all need to pull their finger out in the last few months of the season or we need to be looking to move quite a few on in the summer. Does that not suggest that the manager before Warnock and after him are more at fault than the players ? I think there’s blame on both sides. Even Warnock was lamenting elementary mistakes costing us points, especially this season. We should have won the last two games but individual errors have cost us, I put that on the players, not Darren Moore. There’s no denying that we’ve made some bad managerial appointments in the last couple of years, but the players haven’t been good enough for large parts of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 17:15:26 GMT 1
His level of arrogance would be off the scale. His prediction regarding his replacement come true and the club having to ask him back again. We would end up with 2 new strikers on the bench and a, miraculously, fit again Danny Ward scoring one more goal the rest of the season. We must move forward, not backwards. We need a better long term appointment. We do need a better long term appointment yes, but we also need to confirm our championship status otherwise we will end back in league one with the Cowleys. Get Warnock until May and find the long term replacement in the meantime. Don't rush into appointing one of the merry go round managers on a 2/3 year deal for the sake of it, also don't chuck somebody with little experience in at the deep end. I think the manageent team will have had a shortlist of candidates. They could not approach anyone before DM had been advised of his contract termination and there will be negociations to go through if the person, or more than one,
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Post by eric on Jan 31, 2024 17:15:51 GMT 1
It's just kicking the can down the road. Appoint a permanent manager and let them work with the squad. Kicking the can down the road, or given ourselves more time to make the right appointment? It's irrelevant, because I don't think Warnock will come back and I don't think the club want him to come back, but it would make a load of sense to me if it was a possibility. It's as close as you can get to a guarantee of survival at this stage of the season in the championship, it would give the club 3 or 4 months to do a thorough search of exactly what is out there rather than just looking at the usual suspects, and most importantly, it would allow you to take a little bit of a gamble (like we did with Wagner and Corberan), while knowing that if they turn out to be a Siewert or Fotheringham there would be time to correct the mistake. The problem we've got now, is that if we gamble and appoint somebody who doesn't work out we're as good as down, so the temptation is to play it safer. (Also if we appoint Warnock again we've only had 5 managers in the last 2 years rather than 6 ) I think the manager who gives us the best chance of staying up, and the manager who gives us the best long term future aren't necessarily the same manager, which makes the decision difficult. Warnock is one of the "usual suspects" but just 25+ years older. The situation may well be worse in the summer. The point is, we have to make a long-term decision eventually and I see no reason why that can't be now. There's always an element of risk but there are worthy candidates available for the job, other than Warnock, so we should appoint one. All respect to Warnock but we need to move on from him.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 31, 2024 17:21:39 GMT 1
I still think it'll be Heckingbottom - However, looking at the comments of wanting to build and all this '3 year plan' etc then I would be attempting to contact Pete Wild. Seems like someone who gets on with all his players and builds a good rapport with the fan base. Has built a great foundation at Barrow and are looking more competitive every season. The more time there is between the sacking etc, the more I think it may not be. I know they will want to do their diligence and interview others (as they have been), but given their were reports that he was approached pre-sacking, the more it makes me think he's not top of the pile. But that's all guess work.
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Post by waggers on Jan 31, 2024 17:23:35 GMT 1
Three is no way Edwards and Cartwright would swallow their pride and ask Warnock to come back. There are a few names in the mix who I think are head and shoulders above Moore's managerial ability, and if brought in fast will keep us up.
I think we can get one man who will provide both short term safety and long term progression.
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 31, 2024 17:25:10 GMT 1
Might sound obvious but whoever we go for has to be prepared to manage us in the 1st division should the worst happen. I wonder if they’re discussing that with the candidate’s and it’ll have a bearing on who we choose?
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Post by King Neil on Jan 31, 2024 17:25:11 GMT 1
This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. The problem with this, is you could have written this exact post at the end of last season! What happens next season if NW comes back in and the next manager fails again? Do we want NW back for a 4th time? We have to move on from NW! Get a manager in now for the long term. Get somebody who is suited to get us back into the Championship at the 1st attempt should the worse case happen this season. It is going to be expensive, but that is unfortunately the position we are in now due to the many factors over the previous years/summer. Roy hodgson keeps going back to Palace to help them out Why Neil?..Why Not
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Post by Tiro on Jan 31, 2024 17:26:42 GMT 1
We do need a better long term appointment yes, but we also need to confirm our championship status otherwise we will end back in league one with the Cowleys. Get Warnock until May and find the long term replacement in the meantime. Don't rush into appointing one of the merry go round managers on a 2/3 year deal for the sake of it, also don't chuck somebody with little experience in at the deep end. I think the manageent team will have had a shortlist of candidates. They could not approach anyone before DM had been advised of his contract termination and there will be negociations to go through if the person, or more than one, I see the logic in your argument, but they are free to approach and discuss terms whilst DM was in post - particularly managers who are not employed. And if reports are to be believed, that is exactly what happened with Heckingbottom. How many times have we seen a manger sacked only to be replaced almost instantaneously. It was Warnock's biggest gripe about his departure at 'Boro; that Wilder was already lined up (Edit: Wilder was unveiled less than 24 hours after his sacking. In fact there were reports that Warnock couldn't enter the building to clear his things because Wilder was already there!).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2024 17:28:36 GMT 1
I think the manageent team will have had a shortlist of candidates. They could not approach anyone before DM had been advised of his contract termination and there will be negociations to go through if the person, or more than one, I see the logic in your argument, but they are free to approach and discuss terms whilst DM was in post - particularly managers who are not employed. And if reports are to be believed, that is exactly what happened with Heckingbottom. How many times have we seen a manger sacked only to be replaced almost instantaneously. It was Warnock's biggest gripe about his departure at 'Boro; that Wilder was already lined up. You are right, they may have done that.
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Post by tyketaffy on Jan 31, 2024 17:29:45 GMT 1
Three is no way Edwards and Cartwright would swallow their pride and ask Warnock to come back. There are a few names in the mix who I think are head and shoulders above Moore's managerial ability, and if brought in fast will keep us up. I think we can get one man who will provide both short term safety and long term progression. I agree to an extent but who would get the fans instantly on board like Warnock would on a short term contract. Fans and players would be delighted at Warnock being back short term but I dont think the powers that be would eat humble pie and own up to a huge mistake by asking him back. My main concern being staying up now , next season can take care of itself for the time being the main aim surely must be a manager who we know can do the job not one we hope can.
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Post by blueray4 on Jan 31, 2024 17:34:42 GMT 1
Personally I would have Warnock and Rocket back in a flash till the end of the season. They got a tune out of this squad before,the players like and respect them and out of everyone mentioned they would be the ones most likely to keep us up, which I assume is the top priority for everyone from the owner down. Assuming we stayed up under Warnock then its gives time to look around for a long term replacement from a position of strength not rushing in someone now who does not have much time to turn things round and win over the players. As is it at the moment its looking like we are running round desperately trying to shoehorn in someone who can turn it around, play exciting pressing football and be here long term, highly unlikely to happen IMO. Me, I dont give a shit how boring the football is the rest of the season as long as we get enough point to stay up. It does feel like an appointment until the end of the season would be the best way to go. If the manager is successful in keeping us up, while playing decent football then that will give them a head start for the job on a permanent basis. Plus a hefty bonus for keeping us up no doubt. Didn’t we do that last season. Didn’t work out too well.
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 31, 2024 17:41:36 GMT 1
My concern about looking for a long term manager whilst needing to appoint someone quickly to get us out of the shit again is that the process will be rushed.
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Post by waggers on Jan 31, 2024 17:46:51 GMT 1
Three is no way Edwards and Cartwright would swallow their pride and ask Warnock to come back. There are a few names in the mix who I think are head and shoulders above Moore's managerial ability, and if brought in fast will keep us up. I think we can get one man who will provide both short term safety and long term progression. I agree to an extent but who would get the fans instantly on board like Warnock would on a short term contract. Fans and players would be delighted at Warnock being back short term but I dont think the powers that be would eat humble pie and own up to a huge mistake by asking him back. My main concern being staying up now , next season can take care of itself for the time being the main aim surely must be a manager who we know can do the job not one we hope can.Nobody is going to create what Warnock created, I wanted him here for this entire season and take our time finding the replacement. Our suits ballsed up though so we have to work with our current situation. A very large chunk of Town fans love Warnock, there is a vocal minority on here who for some bizarre reason were happy with Moore replacing him.
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Post by royrace on Jan 31, 2024 17:56:32 GMT 1
This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. The problem with this, is you could have written this exact post at the end of last season! What happens next season if NW comes back in and the next manager fails again? Do we want NW back for a 4th time? We have to move on from NW! Get a manager in now for the long term. Get somebody who is suited to get us back into the Championship at the 1st attempt should the worse case happen this season. It is going to be expensive, but that is unfortunately the position we are in now due to the many factors over the previous years/summer. The big difference would be that the squad is now bolstered, the takeover is done, positions have been filled, feet are under the table and a new man would have the luxury of a pre-season. That is precisely the scenario I envisaged before they jumped the gun and made the almighty balls up of replacing NW with DM a quarter of the way through the season. Remains to be seen whether the genius who made that decision will be allowed to make the next one. I hope not.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 31, 2024 17:59:03 GMT 1
This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. I actually think we were a more exciting proposition for Warnock last season because being blunt, we were fucked. This season we're not. We're not in a great position but we're not as bad as we were and him "saving us" this season wouldn't be such a big deal, rightly or wrongly I even think Moore would probably have kept us up but it was a risk. Getting Warnock back again would be a backward step in my opinion and we should be looking at someone new. Warnock oversaw preseason and the summer window and neither were great. I really don't think it would take that much to get us getting results and moving up the league a bit, we've had some shocking team selections recently and still picked up points now and again, someone that could put players in their best positions and a formation to suit the players rather than forcing players to match a formation and we'd get enough results. Fair point and I respect that. I think I would be confident, as I can be, that NW would get us out of trouble however I am far from convinced he would want to return (probably for the reason you outline). It would be a step back but would it be an even bigger step back if we were in League One come August?
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Post by dugnet on Jan 31, 2024 18:03:34 GMT 1
This goes back to my point about what the overall plan is and what Mr Nagle is looking to achieve. The appointment of DM was peculiar as it didn't immediately strike me as being particularly forward thinking or dynamic. The question is who is shaping the plan? Mr Nagle or is this delegated to Edwards and Cartwright? I know I keep referring to plans and criticising what I think are little more than, well meaning, but positive soundbites but a visible plan is important. The next long term appointment needs to underpin an overall strategy and plan. The immediate challenge is to stay in this league (again!!!!). As I posted earlier I am not sure that this aim and the long term strategy are currently compatible. As relegation would surely impact the long term plan, in every sense (squad, financial, credibility etc...), then avoiding that must be the immediate priority. I really hope that those in charge are no longer deluded to the challenge (as I think they were last summer in thinking there was enough squad quality and depth to be ok in the Championship) and think that avoiding the drop is a relatively easy challenge. It would be incredibly foolish to do so. I am coming round to the opinion,and given relations between Mr Nagle and NW are apparently ok (or so they say...) that the short term action is surely to ask NW to return (if he is offered a bonus based on success then so be it) and allow the club some evaluation time. That can be used to do a lessons learned so far, review what has gone well and what not so well and re-establish the plan for the future. I know it is probably unrealistic to expect NW to return, or for him to want to (return), but given where we are it would be the most sensible course of action. I would be more than hopeful that NW would find a way to guide us to safety. In the event of that not happening another short term solution wouldn't be a bad idea, although who that might be I don't know. What I am advocating allows Mr Nagle, and others to really take stock and start again. As it stands, for all the good intentions, no one can tell me that we are running to a coherent plan. It would be better to admit that and take a pragmatic view of our current predicament. Do I think any of the above will happen? Probably not. When we get to May, and Mr Nagle is hoping to sell season cards (I don't see any opportunity to market them in March at the moment) what happens between then and now will be massively important. It is fascinating in one sense but, purely as a long suffering fan, it is potentially incredibly frustrating too. The problem with this, is you could have written this exact post at the end of last season! What happens next season if NW comes back in and the next manager fails again? Do we want NW back for a 4th time? We have to move on from NW! Get a manager in now for the long term. Get somebody who is suited to get us back into the Championship at the 1st attempt should the worse case happen this season. It is going to be expensive, but that is unfortunately the position we are in now due to the many factors over the previous years/summer. If we could get someone who fulfils the criteria of immediate impact and supports the long term strategy (which I still need to be convinced about) that is indeed the ideal. I'm not so sure that is easy to do. As for the cost; it won't be the first time a key decision has been made that has resulted in a negative financial impact. Mr Nagle will ultimately take the hit and learn, which I am sure he will, the hard way ie through his pocket.
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Post by dugnet on Jan 31, 2024 18:06:17 GMT 1
Three is no way Edwards and Cartwright would swallow their pride and ask Warnock to come back. There are a few names in the mix who I think are head and shoulders above Moore's managerial ability, and if brought in fast will keep us up. I think we can get one man who will provide both short term safety and long term progression. If, and it is an if, Edwards and Cartwright put pride and ego before the success of the football club they shouldn't be in post and I doubt they'll last long.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jan 31, 2024 18:14:17 GMT 1
I agree to an extent but who would get the fans instantly on board like Warnock would on a short term contract. Fans and players would be delighted at Warnock being back short term but I dont think the powers that be would eat humble pie and own up to a huge mistake by asking him back. My main concern being staying up now , next season can take care of itself for the time being the main aim surely must be a manager who we know can do the job not one we hope can.Nobody is going to create what Warnock created, I wanted him here for this entire season and take our time finding the replacement. Our suits ballsed up though so we have to work with our current situation. A very large chunk of Town fans love Warnock, there is a vocal minority on here who for some bizarre reason were happy with Moore replacing him. Yet the minority have never given us any real reason to be happy he went.
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